Yay new build!

Skylinehead · 29-06-2012 8:42pm #1

1. What is your budget? €1200 excluding VAT

2. What will be the main purpose of the computer? Gaming (BF3, Fallout, Skyrim, Civ5), Software Programming (Eclipse, Visual Studio, Spring)

3. Do you need a copy of Windows? No, free from Dreamspark

4. Can you use any parts from an old computer? External 1TB HDD, so mass storage not a problem

5. Do you need a monitor? No

5b. If no, what resolution is your current monitor and do you plan to upgrade in the near future? 1080p Samsung B2330 23", no.

6. Do you need any of these peripherals? Mouse/Keyboard

7. Are you willing to try overclocking? Yup

8. How can you pay? Any

9. When are you purchasing? Possibly now, possibly next month. Haven't decided

10. If you need help building it, where are you based? Don't need help

So lads, finally time! Will be able to get VAT off, so I'm assuming HWVS is still the best to go for with 19%?

Anyway.

Item|Price
Intel Core i5-3570K Box, LGA1155|€212.07
ASRock Z77 Extreme4, Sockel 1155, ATX|€129.53
Gigabyte GeForce GTX 670 OC, 2GB GDDR5, 2x DVI, HDMI, DisplayPort|€386.40
Corsair Carbide Series 500R White, ATX, ohne Netzteil|€93.52
8GB-Kit G.Skill Sniper PC3-10667U CL9-9-9-24 (DDR3-1333)|€45.39
XFX PRO650W Core Edition Full Wired Power Supply|€76.21
Samsung SSD 830 128GB SATA 6GB's Paper Box|€110.24
Sony Optiarc AD-7280S-0B schwarz|€17.14
Corsair Hydro Series H100 (Sockel 775/1156/1366/AM2/AM2+/AM3/FM1)|€92.21
Razer DeathAdder Re-Spawn, USB, 3500 dpi|€45.47
Shipping|€18.99
Total|€1227.17

CPU - obviously.
Motherboard - would like to SLI/XFire eventually
Graphics - undecided, on two fronts: 670 or not, and if so, which one? Have my eye on the Gigabyte Windforce, MSI Power Edition, Gainward Phantom and Asus DirectCUII.
Case - definitely getting that one :cool:
RAM - picked that to complement the motherboard, purely aesthetic.
PSU - could go for the Super-flower, but not sure on the LED, and XFX are very good.
SSD - easy choice
Optical - doesn't matter
Cooler - would like to try the H100, entry-level watercooling etc, might replace the loudass fans.
Mouse - seems to be the right choice.
Keyboard - I want this one, but the reviews say German layout for some reason. Anybody got a reason why?
Headphones - more for music than gaming, but going for these

Comes in about €1103 excluding VAT, or €1362 with VAT. Suggestions appreciated! :pac:

Eboggles · 29-06-2012 8:51pm

Looks great, I'm planning on getting Scythe Gentle Typhoons for my soon to be watercooled rig, they seem like the best replacement for stock fans. The 1150RPM ones are pretty much silent and have great static pressure. That said, I'll only be using an Antec H20 620 or Thermaltake Water 2.0 so your mileage may vary.

BhoyRayzor · 29-06-2012 8:54pm

I have an ex VAT build with a lot of the same components, same processor, motherboard, PSU, case and SSD - probably because you were one of the ones who suggested a build for me

I compared my ex VAT shopping list between Komplett/Dabs and HWVS and buying here works out roughly €50 cheaper with coupons added

Skylinehead · 29-06-2012 8:55pm

Eboggles wrote: »

Looks great, I'm planning on getting Scythe Gentle Typhoons for my soon to be watercooled rig, they seem like the best replacement for stock fans. The 1150RPM ones are pretty much silent and have great static pressure. That said, I'll only be using an Antec H20 620 or Thermaltake Water 2.0 so your mileage may vary.

Could always put two Typhoons in for 20 quid and use them elsewhere (push-pull maybe) if I'm not bothered by the noise. I assume they can be controlled by the H100's fan controller?

Eboggles · 29-06-2012 9:06pm

Skylinehead wrote: »

Could always put two Typhoons in for 20 quid and use them elsewhere (push-pull maybe) if I'm not bothered by the noise. I assume they can be controlled by the H100's fan controller?

Yeah I think they can.

ZeroThreat · 29-06-2012 9:51pm

You reckon that 128gb SSD is enough storage, or perhaps add one of these http://www1.hardwareversand.de/7200+RPM/53882/Seagate+Barracuda+7200+1000GB%2C+SATA+6Gb+s.article for storing other stuff?

EDIT : Sorry didn't notice you already said you had a 1tbh external storage drive, my bad.

btw, this is the current build I'm thinking of, similar to yours apart from larger ssd (which has just gone out of stock again), slightly cheaper ram and different PSU, and without your elaborate cooling setup

Skylinehead · 29-06-2012 9:53pm

ZeroThreat wrote: »

You reckon that 128gb SSD is enough storage, or perhaps add one of these http://www1.hardwareversand.de/7200+RPM/53882/Seagate+Barracuda+7200+1000GB%2C+SATA+6Gb+s.article for storing other stuff?

Have a 1TB external that I may or may not convert into an internal SATA drive, but either way I'm good for storage.

glynf · 29-06-2012 9:57pm

The H100 controls two fans, though I find it craps out at times, with fans running 100% and not ramping down, then having to reset unit=pain in hole.
Better off plug both fans into the mobo and leaving the pump at its 2nd setting to do its thing, works way better.

If you're serious about xfire, go with a 750w min, and check a few reviews re. cooling in SLI as some aftermarket coolers like he phantom dump air into the case, not ideal when both GPU's are close. Reference designs are much better as all air is exhausted through the backplate. EVGA & Zotac do factory overclocked cards that dump air out the back plate as well.

Nice build, and good luck with it.

Skylinehead · 29-06-2012 10:03pm

glynf wrote: »

The H100 controls two fans, though I find it craps out at times, with fans running 100% and not ramping down, then having to reset unit=pain in hole.
Better off plug both fans into the mobo and leaving the pump at its 2nd setting to do its thing, works way better.

If you're serious about xfire, go with a 750w min, and check a few reviews re. cooling in SLI as some aftermarket coolers like he phantom dump air into the case, not ideal when both GPU's are close. Reference designs are much better as all air is exhausted through the backplate. EVGA & Zotac do factory overclocked cards that dump air out the back plate as well.

Nice build, and good luck with it.

Yeah the H100 isn't ideal for fan control, so I might just leave it to the motherboard, means I can control everything with the 500Rs controller.

I assumed 650W would be enough for SLI, but I can always go up a little more. I'll definitely look into the coolers, pretty sure the Twin Frozr cooler does it well so if HWVS get the Power edition in stock I'll get that.

glynf · 29-06-2012 10:07pm

650W would be fine, but if you OC the CPU and/or both GPU's you won't be long running out of juice:)

BTW deadly case, great cable management.

Skylinehead · 29-06-2012 10:13pm

glynf wrote: »

650W would be fine, but if you OC the CPU and/or both GPU's you won't be long running out of juice:)

BTW deadly case, great cable management.

It's so lovely. If only it had the Vengeance C70's power/reset buttons, they're awesome

As for 750W PSU, same model or is there better out there?

Nazata · 29-06-2012 11:31pm

Skylinehead wrote: »

As for 750W PSU, same model or is there better out there?

The TX750 isn't as cheap as some alternatives but is one of the best 750W PSUs around. It's also modular. A lot of the competition is cheaper, but this PSU will last and allow huge upgrade potential.
A review from bit-tech: http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/psus/2008/02/19/corsair_tx750w_psu_cmpsu-750tx/6
I'm definitely considering it for my build which is very similar to yours(ordering once Ulster Bank manages to sort themselves out...).

Are you looking for a modular or a non-modular PSU?

Skylinehead · 30-06-2012 12:11pm

Nazata wrote: »

The TX750 isn't as cheap as some alternatives but is one of the best 750W PSUs around. It's also modular. A lot of the competition is cheaper, but this PSU will last and allow huge upgrade potential.
A review from bit-tech: http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/psus/2008/02/19/corsair_tx750w_psu_cmpsu-750tx/6
I'm definitely considering it for my build which is very similar to yours(ordering once Ulster Bank manages to sort themselves out...).

Are you looking for a modular or a non-modular PSU?

No preference, modular would be nice but it's not a necessity.

Have it down to:

http://www2.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?adp=0&aid=42451&agid=1630&apop=5

http://www2.hardwareversand.de/700+-+800+Watts/50914/Corsair+Enthusiast+Series+Modular+TX750M%2C+750Watt.article

http://www2.hardwareversand.de/700+-+800+Watts/30071/Super-Flower+Amazon+80Plus+800W.article

http://www2.hardwareversand.de/700+-+800+Watts/31272/Super+Flower+Atlas+Design+Edition+Modular+80plus+780W.article

but can't decide on what's best, my PSU knowledge is pretty limited. Any advice on the keyboard issue I mentioned in the first post would be appreciated too

Monotype · 30-06-2012 12:30pm

Is 800W necessary? Would two 670s use that kind of power?
Even if you were to you estimate 200W maximum for each card if you were overclocking and including an overclocked CPU, I think that 600W would be enough, or 650W to be generous with expansions.

I wouldn't buy the Atlas; a bit low in quality.
The TX750M is overpriced; you could buy much the same 850W Adata PSU for €85 from komplett.

If you're looking to spend that kind of money, then what about the 700W modular golden green @ €106?
http://www2.hardwareversand.de/600+-+700+Watts/33057/Super-Flower+SF700P14XE+Golden+Green+80plus+gold+Modular.article

Skylinehead · 30-06-2012 12:34pm

I think I'd rather not spend quite so much, you figure the 650W XFX is enough?

Monotype · 30-06-2012 12:48pm

I'd think so, yes. I haven't read that many reviews on the 670 and how consumption varies with overclocking, but I'm leaving a bit of room too.

Alternatives:
http://www2.hardwareversand.de/600+-+700+Watts/24479/Super-Flower+Amazon+80Plus+650W.article
http://www2.hardwareversand.de/600+-+700+Watts/38006/Super-Flower+SF650P14XE+Golden+Green+Pro+80plus+gold.article

Nazata wrote: »

The TX750 isn't as cheap as some alternatives but is one of the best 750W PSUs around. It's also modular. A lot of the competition is cheaper, but this PSU will last and allow huge upgrade potential.
A review from bit-tech: http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/psus/2008/02/19/corsair_tx750w_psu_cmpsu-750tx/6
I'm definitely considering it for my build which is very similar to yours(ordering once Ulster Bank manages to sort themselves out...).

That's not the same PSU. There's five different major TX series. First one was the 650TX made by Seasonic and the 750W made by CWT. Probably the one in the review there. These were replaced by a new series from CWT in 2010, which was met with criticism due to suspicions of lower quality. They were quite quickly replaced (Corsair actually do care about their reputation) by the TXv2, made by Seasonic. The TXm came out a bit later and is made by CWT and seems of decent quality - not fantastic value though as it's not fully modular and as I said, you get nearly the same PSU by ADATA for cheaper.

glynf · 30-06-2012 5:07pm

Skylinehead wrote: »

No preference, modular would be nice but it's not a necessity.

Have it down to:

http://www2.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?adp=0&aid=42451&agid=1630&apop=5

http://www2.hardwareversand.de/700+-+800+Watts/50914/Corsair+Enthusiast+Series+Modular+TX750M%2C+750Watt.article

http://www2.hardwareversand.de/700+-+800+Watts/30071/Super-Flower+Amazon+80Plus+800W.article

http://www2.hardwareversand.de/700+-+800+Watts/31272/Super+Flower+Atlas+Design+Edition+Modular+80plus+780W.article

but can't decide on what's best, my PSU knowledge is pretty limited. Any advice on the keyboard issue I mentioned in the first post would be appreciated too

Out of those I'd go with the XFX750W Skylinehead, well reviewed and I think for the sake of <€20 it would be worth it. Give a look at a few online power calculators like this one to see approximately what wattage you need need. It also lets you calc. what you would need ifr you overcloceked your CPU & GPU(s).

Skylinehead · 30-06-2012 10:07pm

So, after more research:

Item|Price
Intel Core i5-3570K Box, LGA1155|€212.07
ASRock Z77 Extreme4, Sockel 1155, ATX|€129.53
Corsair Carbide Series 500R White, ATX, ohne Netzteil|€93.52
XFX PRO750W Core Edition Full Wired Power Supply|€87.54
8GB-Kit Corsair Vengeance DDR3 1600 MHz CL9|€47.92
Gigabyte GeForce GTX 670 OC, 2GB GDDR5, 2x DVI, HDMI, DisplayPort|€386.40
Samsung SSD 830 128GB SATA 6GB's Paper Box|€110.24
LG GH22NS50/70/90 bare schwarz|€17.29
Corsair Hydro Series H100 (Sockel 775/1156/1366/AM2/AM2+/AM3/FM1)|€92.21
Razer DeathAdder Re-Spawn, USB, 3500 dpi|€45.47
InLine® Antistatik Handgelenk Manschette|€4.90
Good Connections DVI-D 24+1 Anschlusskabel 1m|€4.90
Shipping|€18.99
Total|€1250.98

Item|Price
Audio-Technica ATH M30 - Headphones ( ear-cup )|£46.91
QPAD MK-50 Pro Gaming Mechanical Keyboard|£59.99
Shipping|- ? -
Total|£106.90

Only thing left to sort out seems to be the keyboard, is it German layout on Amazon or not?

Sarz91 · 30-06-2012 10:17pm

Skylinehead wrote: »

So, after more research:

Item|Price
Intel Core i5-3570K Box, LGA1155|€212.07
ASRock Z77 Extreme4, Sockel 1155, ATX|€129.53
Corsair Carbide Series 500R White, ATX, ohne Netzteil|€93.52
XFX PRO750W Core Edition Full Wired Power Supply|€87.54
8GB-Kit Corsair Vengeance DDR3 1600 MHz CL9|€47.92
Gigabyte GeForce GTX 670 OC, 2GB GDDR5, 2x DVI, HDMI, DisplayPort|€386.40
Samsung SSD 830 128GB SATA 6GB's Paper Box|€110.24
LG GH22NS50/70/90 bare schwarz|€17.29
Corsair Hydro Series H100 (Sockel 775/1156/1366/AM2/AM2+/AM3/FM1)|€92.21
Razer DeathAdder Re-Spawn, USB, 3500 dpi|€45.47
InLine® Antistatik Handgelenk Manschette|€4.90
Good Connections DVI-D 24+1 Anschlusskabel 1m|€4.90
Shipping|€18.99
Total|€1250.98

Item|Price
Audio-Technica ATH M30 - Headphones ( ear-cup )|£46.91
QPAD MK-50 Pro Gaming Mechanical Keyboard|£59.99
Shipping|- ? -
Total|£106.90

Only thing left to sort out seems to be the keyboard, is it German layout on Amazon or not?

Both reviews for that keyboard on amazon say it's German layout. If you zoom in it shows umlauts and stuff too but I dunno.

BhoyRayzor · 01-07-2012 11:19am

Skylinehead wrote: »

So, after more research:

Item|Price
Intel Core i5-3570K Box, LGA1155|€212.07
ASRock Z77 Extreme4, Sockel 1155, ATX|€129.53
Corsair Carbide Series 500R White, ATX, ohne Netzteil|€93.52
XFX PRO750W Core Edition Full Wired Power Supply|€87.54
8GB-Kit Corsair Vengeance DDR3 1600 MHz CL9|€47.92
Gigabyte GeForce GTX 670 OC, 2GB GDDR5, 2x DVI, HDMI, DisplayPort|€386.40
Samsung SSD 830 128GB SATA 6GB's Paper Box|€110.24
LG GH22NS50/70/90 bare schwarz|€17.29
Corsair Hydro Series H100 (Sockel 775/1156/1366/AM2/AM2+/AM3/FM1)|€92.21
Razer DeathAdder Re-Spawn, USB, 3500 dpi|€45.47
InLine® Antistatik Handgelenk Manschette|€4.90
Good Connections DVI-D 24+1 Anschlusskabel 1m|€4.90
Shipping|€18.99
Total|€1250.98

Item|Price
Audio-Technica ATH M30 - Headphones ( ear-cup )|£46.91
QPAD MK-50 Pro Gaming Mechanical Keyboard|£59.99
Shipping|- ? -
Total|£106.90

Only thing left to sort out seems to be the keyboard, is it German layout on Amazon or not?

Yeah my build is near enough working out the exact same as yours now, I think I'll take the easy way out and just copy you

Just two things,

is the 600t worth the extra 30 quid?
Is the Asus GTX 670 DirectCU II Top worth the extra 40 quid?

Skylinehead · 01-07-2012 1:17pm

BhoyRayzor wrote: »

Yeah my build is near enough working out the exact same as yours now, I think I'll take the easy way out and just copy you

Just two things,

is the 600t worth the extra 30 quid?
Is the Asus GTX 670 DirectCU II Top worth the extra 40 quid?

600T is a little bigger, some versions have a side window, and unlike the 500R the fan LEDs can't be turned off. It's personal preference, I'd take the 600T but it's a little too much and the 500R is lovely too.

As for the Asus, it's a little better than the Windforce but not 40 quid better. So no from me.

Skylinehead · 01-07-2012 2:30pm

Talking to Amazon there, apparently no UK-layout MK-50.

They have it for €80 on play.com, but a) are they reliable these days and b) is it going to be the same issue?

Any recommendations on similarly priced alternatives are welcome, want this out of the way tomorrow.

Monotype · 01-07-2012 3:28pm

Play probably won't deliver that here; they usually won't deliver any hardware.

Edit: It's £62 on scan.co.uk, which should be a similar enough price when you count the VAT. The only thing is that shipping is about €15...
Maybe you can make it worth your while though.
I see they have a few 670s less than £300/€370... They're not very fancy ones though - hardwareversand are down so I can't check to see if the gigabyte is anything better about it.

The samsung 830 is £77.99/€96.78 on their today only page... that's nearly covers most of the shipping by itself!

The antec Truepower new is £65.99/€82 also on their today only page - semi modular and cheaper than the XFX 750W.

CPU is €2 cheaper, but I suppose you'd lose that out on exchange charges. Case is a fair bit dearer so I don't think it would be worth moving your whole build over.

Skylinehead · 01-07-2012 4:01pm

Monotype wrote: »

Play probably won't deliver that here; they usually won't deliver any hardware.

Edit: It's £62 on scan.co.uk, which should be a similar enough price when you count the VAT. The only thing is that shipping is about €15...
Maybe you can make it worth your while though.
I see they have a few 670s less than £300/€370... They're not very fancy ones though - hardwareversand are down so I can't check to see if the gigabyte is anything better about it.

The samsung 830 is £77.99/€96.78 on their today only page... that's nearly covers most of the shipping by itself!

The antec Truepower new is £65.99/€82 also on their today only page - semi modular and cheaper than the XFX 750W.

CPU is €2 cheaper, but I suppose you'd lose that out on exchange charges. Case is a fair bit dearer so I don't think it would be worth moving your whole build over.

I pricechecked on both and HWVS comes out about €50 cheaper, but if I was splitting the build it could work.

Skylinehead · 02-07-2012 12:14pm

Skylinehead wrote: »

So, after more research:

Item|Price
Intel Core i5-3570K Box, LGA1155|€212.07
ASRock Z77 Extreme4, Sockel 1155, ATX|€129.53
Corsair Carbide Series 500R White, ATX, ohne Netzteil|€93.52
XFX PRO750W Core Edition Full Wired Power Supply|€87.54
8GB-Kit Corsair Vengeance DDR3 1600 MHz CL9|€47.92
Gigabyte GeForce GTX 670 OC, 2GB GDDR5, 2x DVI, HDMI, DisplayPort|€386.40
Samsung SSD 830 128GB SATA 6GB's Paper Box|€110.24
LG GH22NS50/70/90 bare schwarz|€17.29
Corsair Hydro Series H100 (Sockel 775/1156/1366/AM2/AM2+/AM3/FM1)|€92.21
Razer DeathAdder Re-Spawn, USB, 3500 dpi|€45.47
InLine® Antistatik Handgelenk Manschette|€4.90
Good Connections DVI-D 24+1 Anschlusskabel 1m|€4.90
Shipping|€18.99
Total|€1250.98

Item|Price
Audio-Technica ATH M30 - Headphones ( ear-cup )|£46.91
QPAD MK-50 Pro Gaming Mechanical Keyboard|£59.99
Shipping|- ? -
Total|£106.90

Only thing left to sort out seems to be the keyboard, is it German layout on Amazon or not?

Let's try again...

Item|Price
Sony AD-5280S-0B 24x DVD±R, 12xDVD±DL, DVD+RW x8/-RWx6 SATA, Black, OEM|£13.00
128GB Samsung 830 Series, SSD Basic Kit, SATA III, Read 520MB/s, Write 320MB/s|£78.14
QPAD MK-50 Pro Gaming Mechanical Keyboard, Cherry Red MX|£62.02
ScanFX Anti-Static Wristband with 360 degree Swivel & Crocodile Clip. A MUST Have!|£2.38
Shipping|£8.49
Total|£165.73

(€205.78)

Item|Price
Intel Core i5-3570K Box, LGA1155|€212.12
ASRock Z77 Extreme4, Sockel 1155, ATX|€128.51
Gigabyte GeForce GTX 670 OC, 2GB GDDR5, 2x DVI, HDMI, DisplayPort|€383.93
Corsair Carbide Series 500R White, ATX, ohne Netzteil|€92.93
DIGITUS Premium CAT 6 S-FTP, 7m Patchkabel, rot|€3.28
XFX PRO750W Core Edition Full Wired Power Supply|€86.51
Corsair Hydro Series H100 (Sockel 775/1156/1366/AM2/AM2+/AM3/FM1)|€92.02
Razer DeathAdder Re-Spawn, USB, 3500 dpi|€45.39
8GB-Kit G.Skill Sniper PC3-10667U CL9-9-9-24 (DDR3-1333)|€44.63
Good Connections DVI-D 24+1 Anschlusskabel 1m|€5.38
Shipping|€18.99
Total|€1113.69

So €1383 old build vs €1319 new build (minus headphones) so a little better. Aside from having to deal with three orders

Monotype · 02-07-2012 1:18pm

Use their today only page if you can.
http://www.scan.co.uk/todayonly/index.aspx

Actually, it will be changed at about 2pm so if you're not doing it today, you'll be looking at different deals. Best deals are usually across the weekend, I've noticed (well more because it tends to be a wider range of stuff).

Skylinehead · 02-07-2012 1:23pm

Won't be in time unfortunately, can you only get one Today Only per purchase? There's loads there

Monotype · 02-07-2012 1:28pm

You can add as many of the items to the cart as you want. Make sure that you click buy on the today page itself. There's sometimes limitations like 1 or 2 hard drives of a particular model but it will say above the section.

Skylinehead · 02-07-2012 1:31pm

Monotype wrote: »

You can add as many of the items to the cart as you want. Make sure that you click buy on the today page itself. There's sometimes limitations like 1 or 2 hard drives of a particular model but it will say above the section.

Ah yes, I see it now. Supersaver deals are one each, but that's not what I need. Cheers!

Skylinehead · 02-07-2012 1:43pm

At least Scan have confirmed that the MK-50 they have is UK layout, despite every picture of it in existence showing German. Result :cool:

Nertballs · 02-07-2012 3:11pm

Skylinehead wrote: »

Yeah the H100 isn't ideal for fan control, so I might just leave it to the motherboard, means I can control everything with the 500Rs controller.

I assumed 650W would be enough for SLI, but I can always go up a little more. I'll definitely look into the coolers, pretty sure the Twin Frozr cooler does it well so if HWVS get the Power edition in stock I'll get that.

i'd go for the asus personally, the direct cu II is a tank of a cooler.

Yay new build!

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