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EI-ORD going to GWO to be scrap

  • 23-03-2011 12:02pm
    #1
    pauraic1990
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 168 ✭✭


    [FONT=ARIAL,]EI-ORD is scheduled to be ferried from BOD to GWO on March 29th, where it is to be scrapped. Ferry flight details:-

    EIN2122P BOD 0700 BGR 1425/1515 GWO 1845


    It will be sad to see this bird gone.:( I had been on this bird couple of time. the seat behind business class is one of the best seat with plenty of legroom.
    [/FONT]


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  • #2
    A320
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 708 ✭✭✭A320


    Are the newer aer lingus A330's and 320's the enhanced type???? ie. LCD DU's and a touch screen CIDS panel?????


  • #3
    A320
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 708 ✭✭✭A320


    i know theres no entertainment on the 320's,its a crap system anyway,snag central.
    i mean enhanced A320 series aircraft have different things system wise than the older ones just wondering are EI's newest the same


  • #4
    Foggy43
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,321 ✭✭✭Foggy43


    Was wondering what A CIDS panel was....

    http://www.techsat.com/products/software/avionics-simulations/cids321.html

    ....Now I know. I used to work on A320s for 2 hours every afternoon (BMed under BA) A few years ago now and all knowledge completely forgotten. Now its CACP's CSCP's (B777) PAT's (B747-400).


  • #5
    iPlop
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,822 ✭✭✭iPlop


    pauraic1990 wrote: »
    [FONT=ARIAL,]EI-ORD is scheduled to be ferried from BOD to GWO on March 29th, where it is to be scrapped. Ferry flight details:-

    EIN2122P BOD 0700 BGR 1425/1515 GWO 1845


    It will be sad to see this bird gone.:( I had been on this bird couple of time. the seat behind business class is one of the best seat with plenty of legroom.
    [/FONT]

    I read on another forum that ORD was being scrapped because of the high cost of maintenance ,apparently it's always got issues of some kind.Now the guy who posted that said he read that somewhere else so not reliable, but she's supposed to be jinxed so who knows.

    There is a poster in here that would be able to tell you if that's true or not.


  • #6
    David086
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 623 ✭✭✭David086


    The Incredible Fridge wrote: »
    I read on another forum that ORD was being scrapped because of the high cost of maintenance ,apparently it's always got issues of some kind.Now the guy who posted that said he read that somewhere else so not reliable, but she's supposed to be jinxed so who knows.

    There is a poster in here that would be able to tell you if that's true or not.

    It's here: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=71200079


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  • #7
    A320
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 708 ✭✭✭A320


    Foggy43 wrote: »
    Was wonwering what A CIDS panel was....

    sorry i should of said a touch screen FAP which incorporates the old type CIDS control panel into it


  • #8
    iPlop
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,822 ✭✭✭iPlop


    David086 wrote: »
    It's here: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=71200079

    That was our personal experiences of EI-ORD ,there is a poster that can verify if ORD was really a sh!t box or not;)


  • #9
    Preset No.3
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,385 ✭✭✭Preset No.3


    Well I put up the other thread about -ORD, David086 was the 'expert' that reckoned it was a heap. I asked how he knew that and never got a reply.

    I originally saw it posted on PPrune.


  • #10
    iPlop
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,822 ✭✭✭iPlop


    Preset No.3 wrote: »
    Well I put up the other thread about -ORD, David086 was the 'expert' that reckoned it was a heap. I asked how he knew that and never got a reply.

    I originally saw it posted on PPrune.

    It's not him im thinking of..


  • #11
    Lapin
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18,184 ✭✭✭✭Lapin


    pauraic1990 wrote: »
    [FONT=ARIAL,]EI-ORD is scheduled to be ferried from BOD to GWO on March 29th, where it is to be scrapped. Ferry flight details:-

    EIN2122P BOD 0700 BGR 1425/1515 GWO 1845



    [/FONT]

    Any chance of a brief translation for those who aren't familiar with the aviation equivalent of txt spk ?


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  • #12
    Preset No.3
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,385 ✭✭✭Preset No.3


    Lapin wrote: »
    Any chance of a brief translation for those who aren't familiar with the aviation equivalent of txt spk ?

    Aer Lingus Flight Number: 2122
    Departs Bordeux at 0700
    Arrive Bangor, Maine at 1425
    Departs Bangor, Maine at 1515
    Arrives LeFlore, Missouri at 1845


  • #13
    Bearcat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,326 ✭✭✭Bearcat


    i presume they are stopping in BGR to clear immigration?.....they could call into Dub for a final goodbye?

    I remember ORD on the production line in Toulouse. I think 16yrs old is the shelf life of these machines. Parts on it will sell for good money.


  • #14
    Stovepipe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,984 ✭✭✭Stovepipe


    Hi there,
    Any flight number with a "P" after it is a positioning flight, ie, no passengers.
    ORD and some of the other older 330s around the world have reached the stage where it's uneconomical to carry out major overhauls, especially guven that some have wingroot rib cracks that would require very deep surgery to fix. So, it's time for parts reclamation and reduction to beer cans for ORD.
    regards
    Stovepipe


  • #15
    squonk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,702 ✭✭✭squonk


    Preset No.3 wrote: »
    Aer Lingus Flight Number: 2122
    Departs Bordeux at 0700
    Arrive Bangor, Maine at 1425
    Departs Bangor, Maine at 1515
    Arrives LeFlore, Missouri at 1845

    If it's an EI flight, why is it departing from Bordeaux? Would it not go from Dublin/Shannon or was it in Bordeaux for something to do with Airbus?


  • #16
    kona
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,525 ✭✭✭kona


    Preset No.3 wrote: »
    Well I put up the other thread about -ORD, David086 was the 'expert' that reckoned it was a heap. I asked how he knew that and never got a reply.

    I originally saw it posted on PPrune.

    I doubt it was a "heap" , its like anything thats coming to the end of its life cycle, but those aircraft are looked after better than some children. I think I remember somebody said it spent ages being fixed in chicago over a structural issue. Hardly a heap, Wasnt it fitted out last year with some lovely new IFE? such a waste of money that was.

    I presume its in Bordeaux as Aer Lingus get the heavy maintenance done there.


  • #17
    Bessarion
    Registered Users Posts: 232 ✭✭Bessarion


    squonk wrote: »
    If it's an EI flight, why is it departing from Bordeaux? Would it not go from Dublin/Shannon or was it in Bordeaux for something to do with Airbus?

    EI send their A330 to Bordeaux for heavy maintenance. Perhaps during this they spotted a problem which then ended up with the decision that it wasn't worth it to fix.

    The recent 2010 results mentioned that they had an extra A330 unit and that they were looking to sell her off or lease it out. Obviously something has changed in the last month. Once that decision was taken then there is no reason (beyond nostalgia) for it to go anywhere near SNN/DUB again.

    EDIT for kona: According to the 2010 results there are a total of 4 A320 due this year. (EI-DVM is the 2nd of these) No more deliveries currently planned for EI for 4 years after that. The 3 A333 that were pushed back to 2013 have now been switched to A350 slots for delivery in 2017-18. And the 6 A350 are not due until 2015-2016.
    Info on this site that someone else posted recently:
    http://www.jethros.eu/fleets/fleet_listings/aer_lingus.htm


  • #18
    kona
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,525 ✭✭✭kona


    Bessarion wrote: »
    EI send their A330 to Bordeaux for heavy maintenance. Perhaps during this they spotted a problem which then ended up with the decision that it wasn't worth it to fix.

    The recent 2010 results mentioned that they had an extra A330 unit and that they were looking to sell her off or lease it out. Obviously something has changed in the last month. Once that decision was taken then there is no reason (beyond nostalgia) for it to go anywhere near SNN/DUB again.

    Isnt there a 330 due from airbus this year too? Then they will get the new A350 in a few years too.


  • #19
    highlydebased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,470 ✭✭✭highlydebased


    kona wrote: »
    Isnt there a 330 due from airbus this year too? Then they will get the new A350 in a few years too.


    AFAIK the decision was taken to convert that order to an A350.


  • #20
    IrishB.ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 383 ✭✭IrishB.ie


    Lapin wrote: »
    Any chance of a brief translation for those who aren't familiar with the aviation equivalent of txt spk ?

    Better not try and read Steyr's posts then. :D


  • #21
    EchoIndia
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,068 ✭✭✭EchoIndia


    Preset No.3 wrote: »
    Aer Lingus Flight Number: 2122
    Departs Bordeux at 0700
    Arrive Bangor, Maine at 1425
    Departs Bangor, Maine at 1515
    Arrives LeFlore, Missouri at 1845

    The destination airport is usually known as Greenwood, Mississippi and quite a number of airliners have been dismantled there:
    http://www.airliners.net/photo//1295698/L/

    Here are some other photos depicting the airfield and its history: http://www.gwoairport.com/history-photos.html


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  • #22
    gandalf50
    Registered Users Posts: 2 ✭gandalf50


    Stovepipe wrote: »
    Hi there,
    Any flight number with a "P" after it is a positioning flight, ie, no passengers.
    ORD and some of the other older 330s around the world have reached the stage where it's uneconomical to carry out major overhauls, especially guven that some have wingroot rib cracks that would require very deep surgery to fix. So, it's time for parts reclamation and reduction to beer cans for ORD.
    regards
    Stovepipe

    16 or 17 years does not seem that old for a plane. Was there a higher than average use of this plane?
    I heard that the Shannon stop over had a detrimental effect on planes due to the extra take offs and landings, also the runway at Dublin is not very long.
    Would these factors have an effect on the aging of the plane?

    If you look at some of the large US carriers they have planes still flying at 20 - 30 years of age.


  • #23
    BrianD
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,221 ✭✭✭BrianD


    pauraic1990 wrote: »
    [FONT=ARIAL,]EI-ORD is scheduled to be ferried from BOD to GWO on March 29th, where it is to be scrapped. Ferry flight details:-

    EIN2122P BOD 0700 BGR 1425/1515 GWO 1845


    It will be sad to see this bird gone.:( I had been on this bird couple of time. the seat behind business class is one of the best seat with plenty of legroom.
    [/FONT]

    Any chance you could write in plain English without the acronymns? There are plenty of people who are in interested in aviation but will have no idea what you are referring to. Be inclusive!


  • #24
    IrishB.ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 383 ✭✭IrishB.ie


    BrianD wrote: »
    Any chance you could write in plain English without the acronymns? There are plenty of people who are in interested in aviation but will have no idea what you are referring to. Be inclusive!

    Read the whole thread. Its already been asked and answered.


  • #25
    Dacian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 812 ✭✭✭Dacian


    BrianD wrote: »
    Any chance you could write in plain English without the acronymns? There are plenty of people who are in interested in aviation but will have no idea what you are referring to. Be inclusive!

    Your post is number 23.If your read post 21 a little above it you will see the explanation previously given by Preset No.3 quoted in it.

    I was also grateful for this plain english explanation.


  • #26
    Ennisman
    Registered Users Posts: 99 ✭✭Ennisman


    EI-ORD is on the market for sale. It might be scrapped by whoever buys it but AL are not scrapping it.


  • #27
    CaptainSkidmark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,240 ✭✭✭CaptainSkidmark


    my mate is cabin crew for EI, She says that bird is a "bucket" lol


  • #28
    seanmacc
    Closed Accounts Posts: 771 ✭✭✭seanmacc


    CaptainSkidmark wrote: »
    my mate is cabin crew for EI, She says that bird is a "bucket" lol

    A bucket it may be but it is even in its current state a far superior and comfortable plane to be on then the bone rattlers American Airways, US Airways, Delta and Contenental use. I dread having to do a Trans-Atlantic flight using a US airline


  • #29
    Bearcat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,326 ✭✭✭Bearcat


    it's no bucket but the market forces dictate that it's airframe of 16yrs values it less than it being parted for spares. Thats the cold reality of it.


  • #30
    cson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,477 ✭✭✭✭cson


    Is it the first A330 that was delivered to EI?

    Agree with Beercat there too, if maintaining or overhauling EI-ORD costs more than selling it for parts then it'll be done.


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  • #31
    Blue Punto
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 834 ✭✭✭Blue Punto


    EI-DUB(cn-54) and EI-SHN(cn-55) were the first ones delivered to EI in May 1994.
    EI-SHN is now F-OMSA and EI-DUB is now VQ-BEU

    EI-ORD CN59 was delivered to Air Inter as F-GMDD in June 1994 and joined the EI fleet in March 1997


  • #32
    Preset No.3
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,385 ✭✭✭Preset No.3


    CaptainSkidmark wrote: »
    my mate is cabin crew for EI, She says that bird is a "bucket" lol

    I also have a number of friends who are crew for EI and none of them notice any major difference in -ORD and the rest of the fleet.

    So in absence of all that, I would like to get the opinions of line pilots or engineers on what makes this a/c a bucket?


  • #33
    CaptainSkidmark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,240 ✭✭✭CaptainSkidmark


    Preset No.3 wrote: »
    I also have a number of friends who are crew for EI and none of them notice any major difference in -ORD and the rest of the fleet.

    So in absence of all that, I would like to get the opinions of line pilots or engineers on what makes this a/c a bucket?

    do sure and let us know.


  • #34
    Preset No.3
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,385 ✭✭✭Preset No.3


    CaptainSkidmark wrote: »
    do sure and let us know.

    Im waiting on someone here to tell us. The armchair experts have written it off, but I would like to see the true story.


  • #35
    kona
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,525 ✭✭✭kona


    Preset No.3 wrote: »

    So in absence of all that, I would like to get the opinions of line pilots or engineers on what makes this a/c a bucket?

    I cant imagine them saying the same. No Aircraft under FAA and EASA are "Buckets".

    Those Cabin crew should keep their unqualified , uninformed opinions to themselves, as now the public may presume Aer Lingus were operating a Aircraft that was a Bucket, when Im sure the truth is light years away, and its a insult to the Engineers and mechanics and EI as a company IMO.


  • #36
    CaptainSkidmark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,240 ✭✭✭CaptainSkidmark


    kona wrote: »
    I cant imagine them saying the same. No Aircraft under FAA and EASA are "Buckets".

    Those Cabin crew should keep their unqualified , uninformed opinions to themselves, as now the public may presume Aer Lingus were operating a Aircraft that was a Bucket, when Im sure the truth is light years away, and its a insult to the Engineers and mechanics and EI as a company IMO.

    im sure she didnt mean it was covered in rust and not air worthy.

    Just the same way people have a car that just passed the NCT and still refer to it as a bucket.

    Dont get your knickers in a twist.


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  • #37
    STEVE35
    Registered Users Posts: 39 ✭STEVE35


    Interesting article saying that she will be parted out.

    http://airlineindustryreview.com/aer-lingus-a330-to-be-scrapped/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+airlineindustryreview+%28Airline+Industry+Review%29

    It says...."EI-ORD was one of the first A330s delivered to Air Inter, and had a lower MTOW as they were planned to be operated on French short-haul routes. The short-haul routes driven up the aircraft’s cycles to a higher number than most other comparable A330s.
    Due to the lower MTOW, and with Dublin’s shorter runway, the aircraft had some range issues operating one of EI’s long haul routes, ironically to Chicago ORD."


  • #38
    squonk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,702 ✭✭✭squonk


    Sorry for the stupid question but what is MTOW?

    Maximum Take Off Weight? 94 makes the ac only 17 years old. That's not very old really. Gosh you'd want to be making money out of routes to justify the expenditure on an a/c given that life expectency!


  • #39
    kona
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,525 ✭✭✭kona


    CaptainSkidmark wrote: »
    im sure she didnt mean it was covered in rust and not air worthy.

    Just the same way people have a car that just passed the NCT and still refer to it as a bucket.

    Dont get your knickers in a twist.

    Well to me a "Bucket " means its a piece of **** , that constantley is broken and doesnt work. Im sure alot of others picked it up that was as well.

    Your friend shouldnt go around saying things like that to anybody, its poor form and makes her sound like a gob****e.


  • #40
    CaptainSkidmark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,240 ✭✭✭CaptainSkidmark


    kona wrote: »
    Well to me a "Bucket " means its a piece of **** , that constantley is broken and doesnt work. Im sure alot of others picked it up that was as well.

    Your friend shouldnt go around saying things like that to anybody, its poor form and makes her sound like a gob****e.

    You Need to grow up mate and stop taking things to heart :)

    It was said in Gest.


  • #41
    kona
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,525 ✭✭✭kona


    CaptainSkidmark wrote: »
    You Need to grow up mate and stop taking things to heart :)

    It was said in Gest.

    I suppose I do need to grow up.


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  • #42
    iPlop
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,822 ✭✭✭iPlop


    kona wrote: »
    I suppose I do need to grow up.

    It was an early A330 and it may well have been problematic in later years, Im sure Airbus have changed a couple of things over the years and the current A330 is probably far superior to the initial first A330's built.

    Like a car manufacturer learns from their Maintenance garage ,the information is passed on to the design engineers in production and problems or designs are improved to make the Aircraft more efficient and safer


  • #43
    kona
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,525 ✭✭✭kona


    The Incredible Fridge wrote: »
    It was an early A330 and it may well have been problematic in later years, Im sure Airbus have changed a couple of things over the years and the current A330 is probably far superior to the initial first A330's built.

    Like a car manufacturer learns from their Maintenance garage ,the information is passed on to the design engineers in production and problems or designs are improved to make the Aircraft more efficient and safer

    I said that above too :) , but did anybody call DUB a "Bucket"? I dont know how many cycles were up on the Airframe, but if that Aircraft was in anyway a "Bucket" EI wouldnt use it.

    It was parted out because its at the end of its life, its CoA is up and to get it renewed would have cost big $$$. Not because it was a "Bucket", however maybe the Galleys wernt up to scratch.


  • #44
    STEVE35
    Registered Users Posts: 39 ✭STEVE35


    ORD, Waiting her fate in BOD!


  • #45
    Tenger
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 9,927 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tenger


    STEVE35 wrote: »
    ORD, Waiting her fate in BOD!

    Sad to see an aircraft be scrapped....


    Heres a picture of her in better days, heading home to Ireland:
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/tearbringer/4510918868/


  • #46
    Bessarion
    Registered Users Posts: 232 ✭✭Bessarion


    Blue Punto wrote: »
    EI-ORD MSN059 was delivered to Air Inter as F-GMDD in June 1994 and joined the EI fleet in March 1997

    EI-ORD begins her final journey today as EI2122 BOD-BGR-GWO. Departs BOD at 1100z/1300L. I'm sure she will overfly Ireland on her way...


  • #47
    Stovepipe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,984 ✭✭✭Stovepipe


    Hi there,
    all aircraft have individual personalities by which I mean that some aircraft are more prone to snags than others, ie, some aircraft are electrical maintenance nightmares and others aren't. Some leak and some don't, and so on.....EI wouldn't part with it without good reason. I don't know first hand, how many hours and cycles are on the airframe and engines but if it's got to the stage where an overhaul, which might include replacing engines and avionics will cost more than the aircraft's value, then it's time for the chop.
    regards
    Stovepipe


  • #48
    mle1324
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,881 ✭✭✭mle1324


    Was this decision made before EI decided to turn the three A330's order into A350's ? If so will EI need to replace ORD soon ?


  • #49
    Dacian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 812 ✭✭✭Dacian


    mle1324 wrote: »
    Was this decision made before EI decided to turn the three A330's order into A350's ? If so will EI need to replace ORD soon ?

    I would guess NO to the first part and say No to the second.

    The 2010 FY results made mention of EI having a surplus A330 that they were proffering for sale. The same results were the announcement of the order switch to A350's.

    Thus at that point they were still hoping to sell her on and they would not need to replace her.


  • #50
    kona
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,525 ✭✭✭kona


    Can any of the mechanics or engineers here confirm what I heard today about what may or may not have happend today?

    PM me :)


  • #51
    Delancey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,451 ✭✭✭Delancey


    What would the scrap value of ORD be - are we talking hundreds of thousands of dollars or 1 or 2 million ?


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