If you are pregnant , don't bother with MY school

prinz · 01-05-2012 1:20am

mishkalucy wrote: »

It is also a sin, as you may well know from the recent diatribe of a certain female politician(lets not go there;)) for married people to have sex if it is not solely for the purpose of procreation.
It is also a sin for a women to refuse her husband his "marital rights"
Damn, we bitches be fu*ked:D:D

The above are sins according to who exactly?

LH Pathe · 01-05-2012 1:21am

less rod of erection / more rod of correction.

Smidge · 01-05-2012 1:23am

prinz wrote: »

The above are sins according to who exactly?

Eh, the Catholic Church

prinz · 01-05-2012 1:24am

mishkalucy wrote: »

Eh, the Catholic Church

Wrong.

prinz · 01-05-2012 1:25am

LH Pathe wrote: »

less rod of erection / more rod of correction.

Less drunk posting from the sounds of it.

marty1985 · 01-05-2012 1:28am

mishkalucy wrote: »

I love how that is done by "these girls" in an Immaculate Conception fashion;)

Immaculate conception refers to the dogma that Saint Anne gave birth to Mary who was free from sin, not to be confused with anything to do with virginity or Jesus. Just thought I'd add that.

Smidge · 01-05-2012 1:28am

prinz wrote: »

Wrong.

Are you saying that the Catholic church and therein the bible does not say that sex is fornication and therefore a sin, if not for the purpose of the procreation of life?

Smidge · 01-05-2012 1:31am

marty1985 wrote: »

Immaculate conception refers to the dogma that Saint Anne gave birth to Mary who was free from sin, not to be confused with anything to do with virginity or Jesus. Just thought I'd add that.

I made that post with reference to another poster who seems to think that these girls get pregnant by themselves(as there is never any mention of the males involved)

Neyite · 01-05-2012 1:35am

Min wrote: »

Well to have sex at that age means she put herself about, she was not required to have sex, I presume and hope she was not raped, so she did it of her own volition.

She got pregnant at 15. That is 2 years below the legal age of consent in this country, so in the eyes of the Law, its statutory rape. No mention of the boy in question being expelled for such behaviour or being investigated by the gardai. Nope, lets just persecute a young teen girl. :rolleyes:

micropig wrote: »

So, after having a baby she is the same emotionally as the other girls who haven't? Staying up half the night with a crying baby and hormones raging would ensure this.

Oh and she suddenly knows how to care for a child.

I don't deny her an education. She was receiving one in another school.

She wanted the other school because her friends where there. Shouldn't she be focussing on her education? her friends will not be by her side when she leaves school and she'll have to cope without them then.

Look at my sig. My life as a mother will soon be turned upside down. I will be up half the night with a crying baby and hormones raging and I wont "all of a sudden know how to care for my child" And I want my friends around me during a very new phase of my life who will support me. Oh, and I'm 37.

But this girl has one up on me - I get 6 months maternity leave and dont even assume that I can study enough pass the last three exams that I need to in the course I'm doing. I dont think that I would be able. Yet this girl wants to sit her leaving after being out all 5th year. I'd shake her hand and tell her I am full of admiration for her.

LH Pathe · 01-05-2012 1:37am

prinz wrote: »

LH Pathe wrote: »

less rod of erection / more rod of correction.

Less drunk posting from the sounds of it.

not drunk; killed my old man so not too fond of it. therefor attacking my persona.. therefor fùck you - nothing suggests drunkenness.

marty1985 · 01-05-2012 1:37am

mishkalucy wrote: »

I made that post with reference to another poster who seems to think that these girls get pregnant by themselves(as there is never any mention of the males involved)

But there was a male involved for the Immaculate Conception, Joachim I think it was. Mary's father. Immaculate Conception is just the dogma that Mary was conceived without original sin.

prinz · 01-05-2012 1:39am

mishkalucy wrote: »

Are you saying that the Catholic church and therein the bible does not say that sex is fornication and therefore a sin, if not for the purpose of the procreation of life?

First of all sex and fornication are not interchangeable terms. They are different things when it comes to the RCC. Secondly the Catholic Church teaches that there are two aspects to sex within marriage, procreation is one, sharing lovemaking for the sake of enjoying yourself with your spouse is the other.

Lastly the Catechism of the Roman Catholic Church also teaches.. "Periodic continence, that is, the methods of birth regulation based on self-observation and the use of infertile periods, is in conformity with the objective criteria of morality. These methods respect the bodies of the spouses, encourage tenderness between them, and favor the education of an authentic freedom." again acknowledging that sex within the marriage is not confined to procreation only.

K-9 · 01-05-2012 1:42am

Neyite wrote: »

But this girl has one up on me .

How the f*ck has this 14/15 year old girl got one up on you, a 37 year old woman?

You are nearly 3 times her age and you sound the immature one.

K-9 · 01-05-2012 1:47am

Misread your post Neyite, apologies.

hondasam · 01-05-2012 1:47am

Neyite wrote: »

Look at my sig. My life as a mother will soon be turned upside down. I will be up half the night with a crying baby and hormones raging and I wont "all of a sudden know how to care for my child" And I want my friends around me during a very new phase of my life who will support me. Oh, and I'm 37.

Why will you be up half the night? you are assuming your baby will be cranky,the hormones will be fine, stop worrying about something that has not happened yet.

01-05-2012 1:48am

Jesus now people are now using the bible to argue this case. :rolleyes: The Bible shouldnt come into it, religion shouldnt come into it, hell even the morality of teenage pregnancy shouldnt come into it. What gives any of us the right to judge that girl?

The bigger picture here is the state allowing a particular religious order to run a school in the year 2012, given that the order deceived the irish people and lied to us frequently for a start, and owing to the more important fact that we are now a multicultural society with a growing population and a mixture of various different nationalities, ,religions, values, morals and ethics.

School prepares us for the working world which religion has f*ck all bearing on unless your a priest, reverend, rabbi etc.

LH Pathe · 01-05-2012 1:49am

She's not even 16?!! .. Damn.

Smidge · 01-05-2012 1:49am

prinz wrote: »

First of all sex and fornication are not interchangeable terms. They are different things when it comes to the RCC. Secondly the Catholic Church teaches that there are two aspects to sex within marriage, procreation is one, sharing lovemaking for the sake of enjoying yourself with your spouse is the other.

Lastly the Catechism of the Roman Catholic Church also teaches.. "Periodic continence, that is, the methods of birth regulation based on self-observation and the use of infertile periods, is in conformity with the objective criteria of morality. These methods respect the bodies of the spouses, encourage tenderness between them, and favor the education of an authentic freedom." again acknowledging that sex within the marriage is not confined to procreation only.

The "Rhythm" method:p

prinz · 01-05-2012 1:50am

Deleted User wrote: »

Jesus now people are now using the bible to argue this case. :rolleyes: .

It has nothing to do with this case ffs. There was a factually incorrect claim made about Catholic teachings. I corrected them. There was no connection to the case. Roll eyes and all.

Daftendirekt · 01-05-2012 1:52am

Delancey wrote: »

What is to be society's ' moral compass ' when it comes to teenage pregnancy ?
It seems to me that we have all become totally immersed in the view that our past treatment of the matter was utterly backward/dickensian/guilt ridden , etc.
Now to question or criticise this liberal consensus is to invite the wrath of hordes down upon oneself - now call me an old-fashioned git but children having children no longer seems to be viewed as undesirable - in otherwords there is no shame attached .

Society's moral compass needs to keep it's big intrusive needle away from matters like teen pregnancy for the simple reason that it's not a moral issue. It's unfortunate when it happens, and far from ideal. But not a question of right and wrong.

I don't know where you're getting the idea that teenage pregnancy is less undesirable than it used to be. That's simply not true. But people's response to the issue never actually addresses the problem and seems geared more towards punishing the girl for having sex than anything else. All the while masquerading as concern for the welfare of the child, or the mother-to-be's peers (that one's new to me) or even the taxpayer. Why would you want a pregnant teenager to feel ashamed, on top of everything else? Do you not think she'd have enough on her plate?

There isn't some overly liberal agenda trying to encourage kids to have kids, but there is a recognition that in this country the attitude you outlined below (I know it's not your personal position, just using it as an example) has caused serious problems for women in this country and more of a willingness to challenge it.

I met a middle-aged woman recently who was trying to find a new home for the family dog ( had him for 8 years ) , her reason ? Well her 16 or 17 year old daughter was expecting and she didn't want a dog in the house along with a baby. I had to bite my tongue to not tell her that when I was that age any girls I knew that found themselves in trouble were the ones that got kicked out of home !
Not suggesting that is appropriate of course but have we moved too far to the ' liberal ' agenda ?

prinz · 01-05-2012 1:52am

mishkalucy wrote: »

The "Rhythm" method:p

Not quite, you may as well say it relates to STM http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/02/070221065200.htm

Smidge · 01-05-2012 1:54am

Daftendirekt wrote: »

Society's moral compass needs to keep it's big intrusive needle away from matters like teen pregnancy for the simple reason that it's not a moral issue. It's unfortunate when it happens, and far from ideal. But not a question of right and wrong.

I don't know where you're getting the idea that teenage pregnancy is less undesirable than it used to be. That's simply not true. But people's response to the issue never actually addresses the problem and seems geared more towards punishing the girl for having sex than anything else. All the while masquerading as concern for the welfare of the child, or the mother-to-be's peers (that one's new to me) or even the taxpayer. Why would you want a pregnant teenager to feel ashamed, on top of everything else? Do you not think she'd have enough on her plate?

There isn't some overly liberal agenda trying to encourage kids to have kids, but there is a recognition that in this country the attitude you outlined below (I know it's not your personal position, just using it as an example) has caused serious problems for women in this country and more of a willingness to challenge it.

I agree, things went off thread there for a mo with a quasi theological meander.

Smidge · 01-05-2012 1:57am

@ Prinz
the beauty(and also the failing imo)of the Bible is that is argues itself out.
It is the most self contradictory book ever.
It doesn't matter what piece of scripture you need to use to argue a point you will find another piece of scripture to argue that right back.

prinz · 01-05-2012 1:59am

mishkalucy wrote: »

@ Prinz
the beauty(and also the failing imo)of the Bible is that is argues itself out.
It is the most self contradictory book ever.
It doesn't matter what piece of scripture you need to use to argue a point you will find another piece of scripture to argue that right back.

In other words you were wrong about Roman Catholic teachings, no problem.

LH Pathe · 01-05-2012 2:00am

I'd hate to not be blunt in this thread.

She can get up the duff all she likes, apparently. Just don't go parading it around other impressionable kids - in school.

Smidge · 01-05-2012 2:00am

prinz wrote: »

In other words you were wrong about Roman Catholic teachings, no problem.

I'm not wrong and neither are you.
That as I said is the beauty of the Bible.

Neyite · 01-05-2012 2:02am

hondasam wrote: »

Why will you be up half the night? you are assuming your baby will be cranky,the hormones will be fine, stop worrying about something that has not happened yet.

I'm not worried. Its a very much planned and wanted pregnancy and whatever comes I will be delighted to experience it.:)

My reply was to the poster who said that this girl somehow needed the school to lay on lots and lots of support because of her inexperience, her sleepless nights and hormones. My point was that you dont have to be 16 to be inexperienced as a new parent, or want the support of your friends.

I was also drawing a comparison that this girl managed to attend school while pregnant, have tuition at home with a newborn for 10 weeks, and intends to do her leaving cert all with that upheaval that a child to a first time mother involves. I'm saying that in her shoes, I'd find it extremely daunting - and have discrimination on top of that from a person in authority, twice. Fair play to the girl.

Daftendirekt · 01-05-2012 2:02am

mishkalucy wrote: »

I agree, things went off thread there for a mo with a quasi theological meander.

I actually missed most of the theological meandering, it just took me ages to type that out :pac:

prinz · 01-05-2012 2:02am

mishkalucy wrote: »

I'm not wrong and neither are you.
That as I said is the beauty of the Bible.

Yes you are wrong. You made a number of claims not about the bible but about the position of the RCC which is a different thing. You are most definitely wrong in what you claimed.

Smidge · 01-05-2012 2:05am

prinz wrote: »

Yes you are wrong. You made a number of claims not about the bible but about the position of the RCC which is a different thing. You are most definitely wrong in what you claimed.

Meh some people like fairy stories.
What ever your bedtime read.

K-9 · 01-05-2012 2:07am

It's personal choice. Same as abortion is personal choice, so is a 14/15 year old keeping the baby.

My sons mother was 18, just going on 19, and no matter what we have disagreed on since, a very brave, strong, independent woman.

Strange thing is, 10 years later I think she'd have come to a different decision! And not by independent choice!

prinz · 01-05-2012 2:07am

mishkalucy wrote: »

Meh some people like fairy stories.
What ever your bedtime read.

Like I said, no problem, continue on making false claims, at the end of the day it only undermines your own argument.

hondasam · 01-05-2012 2:09am

Neyite wrote: »

I'm not worried. Its a very much planned and wanted pregnancy and whatever comes I will be delighted to experience it.:)

.

Best of luck with it.

Nothing like meeting your baby for the first time.

LH Pathe · 01-05-2012 2:10am

It's not a good look for the schools crest, having this big bump bulging out of it. I dunno how young some of the folks are here, clamouring to be accepted as adults but some day you'll look back n say how young and naive was I.

You're only adults biologically, all of a sudden and such a bodyshock can make one feel old but don't go getting ahead of yourselves. Because you'll regret it when you should be enjoying your young lives instead of casting yourselves into ouldwanhood at 15 or whatever

Smidge · 01-05-2012 2:10am

prinz wrote: »

Like I said, no problem, continue on making false claims, at the end of the day it only undermines your own argument.

My argument is this girl should be supported not scorned.

You can argue whatever way you care to.

Religion, smidgeon.

BTW we all know the Catholic priests position

Smidge · 01-05-2012 2:12am

hondasam wrote: »

Best of luck with it. Nothing like meeting your baby for the first time.

First baby?
You'll do fine!!

As will this girl, she has youth on her side and hopefully a supportive family

K-9 · 01-05-2012 2:15am

hondasam wrote: »

Best of luck with it. Nothing like meeting your baby for the first time.

One of the rare times movies meet reality.

I never really got babies until she had a caesarian, and got a bottle and nappy presented to me, before she woke up.

Wtf gathers meaning.

Smidge · 01-05-2012 2:17am

K-9 wrote: »

One of the rare times movies meet reality.

I never really got babies until she had a caesarian, and got a bottle and nappy presented to me, before she woke up.

Wtf gathers meaning.

Hope you kept it after C-Section:D

hondasam · 01-05-2012 2:17am

mishkalucy wrote: »

First baby?
You'll do fine!!

As will this girl, she has youth on her side and hopefully a supportive family

K-9 wrote: »

One of the rare times movies meet reality.

I never really got babies until she had a caesarian, and got a bottle and nappy presented to me, before she woke up.

Wtf gathers meaning.

Neyite is having a baby but I can assure ye all Hondasam is not.:pac:

Smidge · 01-05-2012 2:18am

hondasam wrote: »

Neyite is having a baby but I can assure ye all Hondasam is not.:pac:

HAHA the girl I was talking about was the original girl in the article:)

hondasam · 01-05-2012 2:29am

K-9 wrote: »

One of the rare times movies meet reality.

I never really got babies until she had a caesarian, and got a bottle and nappy presented to me, before she woke up.

Wtf gathers meaning.

You managed I take it, nothing to it.:p

charlemont · 01-05-2012 2:44am

I find it sexist too, I'm sure the father would have no problem getting a place in a CBS school, But the girl gets denied, Yea That's so stupid, Its not like she is going to bring the child to class with her everyday.

Isn't it in the UN charter about the right to education.

I hope this makes all the main European newspapers, She should also seek legal advice and see does the schools decision breach any EU law, This school should be named and shamed in court in Strasbourg..

K-9 · 01-05-2012 3:33am

hondasam wrote: »

You managed I take it, nothing to it.:p

No family member was scarey.

I'm a loner by nature and I never felt as alone as that, seriously death threateningly alone. Nearest family member in Donegal, 200 miles away and this before mobiles as a common tool. TGe phone box was the first contact to the external world.

I've never been as scared as my life as seeing my ex wheeled out in a trolley, and me told to sign this sheet of paper, with nobody within 200 miles. Even after putting a nappy on my son, the first I ever put a nappy on a baby, my first thought was my ex.

If it was a choice between my ex and my son, there was only one winner.

crucamim · 01-05-2012 5:13am

charlemont wrote: »

I find it sexist too, I'm sure the father would have no problem getting a place in a CBS school, But the girl gets denied, Yea That's so stupid, Its not like she is going to bring the child to class with her everyday.

Isn't it in the UN charter about the right to education.

I hope this makes all the main European newspapers, She should also seek legal advice and see does the schools decision breach any EU law, This school should be named and shamed in court in Strasbourg..

Since when did the UN charter impose diuties on a Catholic school?

Since when did the EU have authority in education?

Why would the school being named cause it any shame? It might improve its reputation.

charlemont · 01-05-2012 5:22am

crucamim wrote: »

Since when did the UN charter impose diuties on a Catholic school?

Since when did the EU have authority in education?

Why would the school being named cause it any shame? It might improve its reputation.

I'm sure schools come under education and that is supposed to be a right. Although you may well be right, Being a Catholic school its probably exempt from certain legislation.

I'll take a wild guess that this contains some rules on discrimination, The Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union. http://www.europarl.europa.eu/charter/default_en.htm

Its reputation might be enhanced to some but not to all, We better say nothing so or we'll have a gigantic queue of people from the continent trying to get into that school.

Dboy85 · 01-05-2012 6:23am

Pherekydes wrote: »

Agreed. But they still need to be educated executed.

Fixed that for you

Hasn't she got more important issues like caring for a baby. How would one go to school with a new born at home? She should be less angry at the world and start to give a toss about the human she has to care for. Any parent worth their salt will tell you that sacrifice is a big part of caring for children. Its her parents that should be getting the stick and not the school.

eviltwin · 01-05-2012 7:32am

Dboy85 wrote: »

Fixed that for you Hasn't she got more important issues like caring for a baby. How would one go to school with a new born at home? She should be less angry at the world and start to give a toss about the human she has to care for. Any parent worth their salt will tell you that sacrifice is a big part of caring for children. Its her parents that should be getting the stick and not the school.

Plenty of women and girls do. I did a degree with a newborn, started another at 32 with a new baby and the added burden of a job. I'm managing well. It can be done. If we write off a teen mum we are going to be supporting her forever, are you okay with that? At least this way she has a chance to be self sufficient.

Pherekydes · 01-05-2012 7:55am

Dboy85 wrote: »

Fixed that for you

Posts like that just make you look like a tool. It's not even faintly amusing.

Hasn't she got more important issues like caring for a baby. How would one go to school with a new born at home?

Hasn't she got the support of her own mother? Many single mums manage college and jobs with support.

She should be less angry at the world and start to give a toss about the human she has to care for.

You're just making stuff up now, and being offensive while you're at it. Nobody mentioned her being angry at the world. But she has every right to be angry towards the principal of that school, who all but called her trash. As above, many mothers work, go to college and carry on their lives while giving a "toss" about their families.

Abi · 01-05-2012 8:09am

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Absolutely BS attempt to justify this IMO.

Absolutely BS attempt to troll my post. In no way did I say that the school was in the right for refusing her. Ive said the polar opposite. Read the rest of my fcuking posts.

Thread TLDR? :rolleyes:

skregs · 01-05-2012 8:21am

eviltwin wrote: »

Plenty of women and girls do. I did a degree with a newborn, started another at 32 with a new baby and the added burden of a job. I'm managing well. It can be done. If we write off a teen mum we are going to be supporting her forever, are you okay with that? At least this way she has a chance to be self sufficient.

Oh good for you. Not the least bit of concern about the welfare of your child and how he/she is coping without seeing a mother all day, but you're doing well. That's so great.

If you are pregnant , don't bother with MY school

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