Best English Rapper Ever!!!

danbrosnan · 27-04-2012 6:40pm

I agree with ye lads, but like its a poll about english rappers not american... Rakim didn't sell loads because he was in the wrong decade... Big boi hasn't sold enough records because a blind man could see that he has not enough marketing behind him...

I had only 25 names maximum to put into the poll, also i had to have some females in there... I wanted to keep it fairly recent and go on album sales and numbers....

I completely do not agree that the best rappers are the worst, thats just bulls8it .... One observation that i have on life in general and i am sometimes victim to this, that some people always wanna go for the underdog.... Sometimes we want the fella with no financial backing to make it and thats fine... But i stand by my statement that best Rappers always have big record sales...

:):mad:

Da Shins Kelly · 27-04-2012 6:48pm

danbrosnan wrote: »

But i stand by my statement that best Rappers always have big record sales...
:):mad:

You can stand by it, but it's not true.

MrStuffins · 27-04-2012 6:52pm

danbrosnan wrote: »

At the end of the day the best rappers will sell the most, thats obvious.

Bobby Baccala · 28-04-2012 12:15am

so lil wayne is the best rapper because he has high sales? nicki minaj is the best rapper because she has high sales?

Horse Shít!

Da Shins Kelly · 28-04-2012 12:23am

P4DDY2K11 wrote: »

so lil wayne is the best rapper because he has high sales? nicki minaj is the best rapper because she has high sales?

Horse Shít!

Yeah, Nicki Minaj is the highest selling female rapper of all time. Does that make her better than Lauryn Hill or Rah Digga or even Eve? Please.

tossy · 28-04-2012 7:19am

danbrosnan wrote: »

marketing

Who cares about marketing? this is hip hop not X factor!

Da Shins Kelly wrote: »

Yeah, Nicki Minaj is the highest selling female rapper of all time. Does that make her better than Lauryn Hill or Rah Digga or even Eve? Please.

Or Roxanne shante,bahamadia or Paula Perry.Nicki minaj my hole lol

~Rebel~ · 28-04-2012 7:54am

Scroobius Pip

danbrosnan · 28-04-2012 9:31am

Lads i could be completely wrong.... I don't know!!!!????

I just want to see who is voted for the most

Another thing which i can see is that "Mike skinner" is getting the most votes, and if anybody remembers this when The Streets first came out everybody was saying , this is not rap, his garage, dub step.... But again he winning this vote....

The Streets went on to sell near 5 million records....

Now this a taught, I know rap music to us is a passion not a faze, we love it... But you got to look away from personal interests, and who individually we think is the best... We can argue forever who the best rapper we will all pick different people, the only democratic way of doing it is put to a vote... So i suggest somebody sets up another vote with different rappers and see what happens...

I don't like half these rappers but the most successful, and i only had 25 places. Please give me a break.

danbrosnan · 28-04-2012 9:38am

Da Shins Kelly wrote: »

Yeah, Nicki Minaj is the highest selling female rapper of all time. Does that make her better than Lauryn Hill or Rah Digga or even Eve? Please.

I do think allot of Nicki Ming is complete horse-s8it, but you can't take away from the fact she has half the world listening to her....

Lauryn Hill Amazing... And i think eve had no lasting appeal to be honest...

If messi had one good game would he be the best player ever... No!!!

Another person for example is Joe Budden, his song Walk this way is my favorite rap song of all time, but where he now... I hope slaughterhouse makes it.... He not in any real best of list.....

Da Shins Kelly · 28-04-2012 3:39pm

danbrosnan wrote: »

I do think allot of Nicki Ming is complete horse-s8it, but you can't take away from the fact she has half the world listening to her....

Lauryn Hill Amazing... And i think eve had no lasting appeal to be honest...

If messi had one good game would he be the best player ever... No!!!

Another person for example is Joe Budden, his song Walk this way is my favorite rap song of all time, but where he now... I hope slaughterhouse makes it.... He not in any real best of list.....

I know half the world is listening to her. My point is, she's still sh*te, and in the face of someone like Lauryn Hill, she hasn't a leg to stand on. You're saying that high record sales are indicative of who the best rappers are. I'm using Minaj as an example to disprove your point, and you've practically agreed with me. Her sales don't make her the best because there are still other female rappers who are better but don't sell as much.

danbrosnan · 29-04-2012 9:34am

Da Shins Kelly wrote: »

I know half the world is listening to her. My point is, she's still sh*te, and in the face of someone like Lauryn Hill, she hasn't a leg to stand on. You're saying that high record sales are indicative of who the best rappers are. I'm using Minaj as an example to disprove your point, and you've practically agreed with me. Her sales don't make her the best because there are still other female rappers who are better but don't sell as much.

Yes i know my point is that thats your opinion and you can't be the opinion of everybody... I know it don't matter to me who is the best because i have my favorite and thats fine with me, but how do you get to who is the best rather then everybody opinions...

If you look at the poll dizzie and skinner are running away with it

In the poll who has sold the most records??? Dizzie Rascal & The Streets:D

danbrosnan · 29-04-2012 9:37am

conor.hogan.2 wrote: »

Rakim and Krs-One have sold very little and would be in a lot of peoples top10 or 5 even.

Rakin and Krs-one were there at the start, if they were in our decade they would have sold millions... There just wasn't the audience in there time... Every rapper from the 90's and 00's would have them in there top ten but to be honest i would not have them in my top ten i have only listened to them a handful of time because of my age...

Bobby Baccala · 29-04-2012 11:39am

danbrosnan wrote: »

Rakin and Krs-one were there at the start, if they were in our decade they would have sold millions... There just wasn't the audience in there time... Every rapper from the 90's and 00's would have them in there top ten but to be honest i would not have them in my top ten i have only listened to them a handful of time because of my age...

You're probably older than a few of the people here, age literally has nothing to do with taste.

And Rakim would be in my top 5, along with cube who's been rapping since the mid 80s.

Osmosis Jones · 29-04-2012 12:22pm

not sure if he's been mentioned yet but what about Lowkey?

conor.hogan.2 · 29-04-2012 2:15pm

danbrosnan wrote: »

Rakin and Krs-one were there at the start, if they were in our decade they would have sold millions... There just wasn't the audience in there time... Every rapper from the 90's and 00's would have them in there top ten but to be honest i would not have them in my top ten i have only listened to them a handful of time because of my age...

Rakim and Krs-One were not quite there at the start and anyway they are still going.

Going stronger than most rappers out now too. Your age? What age are you? It is not like they are discussing 60-80's in their lyrics….

Stronger but weak enough sales.

Da Shins Kelly · 29-04-2012 3:06pm

danbrosnan wrote: »

Rakin and Krs-one were there at the start, if they were in our decade they would have sold millions... There just wasn't the audience in there time... Every rapper from the 90's and 00's would have them in there top ten but to be honest i would not have them in my top ten i have only listened to them a handful of time because of my age...

What has age got to do with it? We live in a world where any music you want to listen to is available with the click of a button. It makes no difference if you're 20 or 60, there's nothing stopping you from listening to whatever you want. Age does not have to reflect taste. You're older than me, and I listen to older rappers a lot more than newer ones.

danbrosnan · 29-04-2012 3:54pm

Great response to the vote... Skinner still in front thats very interesting... Happy to see kano with another vote and akala for that matter... Wiley and Dizzie neck and neck, some of the women getting there votes in i'd say... My bets are on skinner winning it but i think Dizzie will run him close ...

What ye think?:D

conor.hogan.2 · 29-04-2012 4:25pm

Well I voted Akala, only because there was no Scroobius Pip.

danbrosnan · 30-04-2012 12:14am

conor.hogan.2 wrote: »

Well I voted Akala, only because there was no Scroobius Pip.

Thats a good vote, serious rapper... loved "freedom lasso"... i heard on the net somewhere that he was in studio with mark ronson last year... Don't know what happened about that???

Rjd2 · 30-04-2012 1:13am

Really should have been named before now..:(

Jehst...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vL0zhBdCk8

Klashnekoff...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDGJd1LwQ64

baddebt · 30-04-2012 3:37pm

Osmosis Jones wrote: »

not sure if he's been mentioned yet but what about Lowkey?

Akala out of that list , Blak twang very good

can't believe sh1t like Dappy can make the list but

lowkey (uk version of immortal Technique)
Klashnekoff
London Posse

danbrosnan · 30-04-2012 4:28pm

baddebt wrote: »

Akala out of that list , Blak twang very good

can't believe sh1t like Dappy can make the list but

lowkey (uk version of immortal Technique)
Klashnekoff
London Posse

Akala and kano my favorite for the list... sorry klashnekoff isn't in there but i didn't think of him and when researching not many mentions of him... The same with the london posse but i was trying to keep in from 2000- 2012...

conor.hogan.2 · 30-04-2012 5:45pm

That would explain the lack of Jehst and Klas but why is Scroobius Pip not on the list?

danbrosnan · 30-04-2012 8:00pm

conor.hogan.2 wrote: »

That would explain the lack of Jehst and Klas but why is Scroobius Pip not on the list?

Conor i would put him up in an instant, but i can't change it... sorry!!!!:o

conor.hogan.2 · 30-04-2012 8:04pm

Alright, he definitely deserves to be up there above half of them.

danbrosnan · 30-04-2012 8:22pm

conor.hogan.2 wrote: »

Alright, he definitely deserves to be up there above half of them.

I don't doubt that but unfortunately i can't go back and edit the poll...

danbrosnan · 30-04-2012 8:23pm

Do ye not think sway should be getting a few votes???? Theres no doubting his rapping skill!!!

mufcboy1999 · 30-04-2012 11:17pm

danbrosnan wrote: »

Do ye not think sway should be getting a few votes???? Theres no doubting his rapping skill!!!

very talented rapper, use to be a fan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FY1IicKbkQ

1 of my fav uk songs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-o25lM4maAE

conor.hogan.2 · 30-04-2012 11:48pm

true blue whoo too cool

But besides that he seems to be good.

danbrosnan · 01-05-2012 10:51am

Whys he not getting votes then???

Shapey Fiend · 01-05-2012 4:48pm

Scroobius Pip is more spoken word than rap. I'd nearly lump Mike Skinner into that category as well.

I'd be inclined to say Dizzee Rascal is the best but he's kind of given up saying anything worthwhile since he went on the commercial dance tip so I'm going to opt for Wiley. Not only is he an animal rapper who makes a bajillion tunes (check his Zip Files series) in every conceivable style he's also responsible for inventing much of the grime production sound that gives their emcee's a totally different style to their american counterparts.

Irish hip hop does have artists who have a unique sound. Not enough of them but they do exist. It'll continue to develop.

Sway's not getting votes because his first mixtape or two were great but he's kind of fallen off since. Not that he can't rap extremely well but his songs just aren't good. He made some pretty horrendous attempts at making dance crossover hits as well.

danbrosnan · 01-05-2012 9:06pm

Shapey Fiend wrote: »

Scroobius Pip is more spoken word than rap. I'd nearly lump Mike Skinner into that category as well.

I'd be inclined to say Dizzee Rascal is the best but he's kind of given up saying anything worthwhile since he went on the commercial dance tip so I'm going to opt for Wiley. Not only is he an animal rapper who makes a bajillion tunes (check his Zip Files series) in every conceivable style he's also responsible for inventing much of the grime production sound that gives their emcee's a totally different style to their american counterparts.

Irish hip hop does have artists who have a unique sound. Not enough of them but they do exist. It'll continue to develop.

Sway's not getting votes because his first mixtape or two were great but he's kind of fallen off since. Not that he can't rap extremely well but his songs just aren't good. He made some pretty horrendous attempts at making dance crossover hits as well.

Well said!!!!

Absolute Zero · 01-05-2012 11:01pm

Lowkey

pragmatic1 · 02-05-2012 12:04am

Skinnyman, wiley and ghetto are all sick as **** in their own way. Wiley is a very talented man.

pragmatic1 · 02-05-2012 12:08am

Mr. Rager wrote: »

I know it sounds ignorant but I can't stand the vast majority of British HH because of the accent. Don't care if the future Nas is on the mic. Also hate the way a lot of them primarily use dubstep for their beats to reach wider audiences. Not into the whole grime scene either.

I used to be the same but grime has really grown on me. Some real talent on the other side of the water.

danbrosnan · 02-05-2012 8:46am

pragmatic1 wrote: »

I used to be the same but grime has really grown on me. Some real talent on the other side of the water.

This is very true... The last ten years for me has been the best for english rap music, it has taken on a new form... It is no longer underground, its got the market share in england... Ghetts should be getting a few votes but his not well known in my opinion cause his style too aggressive but i think his serious!!!

Very good to see Skinnyman get off the mark as i believe his album council estate of mind would be an influential album to all english artists...

Also Wiley is starting to run clear of everybody else which is true to his staying power within english rap music... But Mike skinner still ahead....

CrackisWhack · 02-05-2012 9:10am

No Braintax?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IhaL1ighcw

danbrosnan · 02-05-2012 10:18am

No braintax sorry!!!!

Shapey Fiend · 03-05-2012 4:48pm

I can't understand how Mike Skinner is getting so many votes. His first two albums were good but he followed them up with a string of absolute clunkers. I think the more you listen to him his technical limitations start to show. He records everything drunk. Rhymes in a cockney accent but he's from Birmingham. He's definitely had his moments but he's put out way too much cack to be considered the best.

danbrosnan · 03-05-2012 8:42pm

Shapey Fiend wrote: »

I can't understand how Mike Skinner is getting so many votes. His first two albums were good but he followed them up with a string of absolute clunkers. I think the more you listen to him his technical limitations start to show. He records everything drunk. Rhymes in a cockney accent but he's from Birmingham. He's definitely had his moments but he's put out way too much cack to be considered the best.

I agree with you that his first two albums where his best but i also think "Computers and Blues was a very good album.... "Never went to church" from "The Hardest Way to Make an Easy Living album was one of his best songs and i still believe that a greatest hits album will be a good selection of songs.

I just read his book and the funny thing i noticed about his music career is that his best album "Original Pirate Material was reorded using Fruity Loops and when he got signed he started using Logic. I think he had to keep to the streets style but tried to complicate it and the whole streets mantra was a young geezer from london, smoking spliffs and taking drugs but also living. I think mike skinner grew outta the streets and thats why people started not to like what he was trying to do. The Streets was recorded in his box room in his rented flat it was this simplicity that made the streets who the were, a cult classic.... Complicating it made it not simple... Thats just my opinion, i don't think anyone could keep up the streets for as long as he did...

danbrosnan · 04-05-2012 12:40pm

Its neck and neck between Wiley and Mike Skinner....

All ye Streets haters his doing it again proving ye wrong

danbrosnan · 04-05-2012 12:48pm

The Streets album sales aprox: 6 million

Wiley album sales aprox: 160 thousand

Bobby Baccala · 04-05-2012 2:20pm

danbrosnan wrote: »

The Streets album sales aprox: 6 million

Wiley album sales aprox: 160 thousand

If you know anything about hip hop you'll know that sales dont reflect talent.

Jimmy Iovine · 04-05-2012 2:35pm

danbrosnan wrote: »

The Streets album sales aprox: 6 million

Wiley album sales aprox: 160 thousand

Are you seriously still trying to use sales as a gauge of a rappers talent?

You remind of the young lads in school who were convinced that Jordan was the greatest looking woman in the world because she had DDD knockers.

tossy · 04-05-2012 3:42pm

P4DDY2K11 wrote: »

If you know anything about hip hop anything you'll know that sales dont reflect talent.

changed that for you

danbrosnan · 04-05-2012 6:34pm

I'm not trying to say anything but the streets are leading the poll...

annettesayz · 04-05-2012 8:15pm

Why isn't devlin there.....???
After dev, its got to be Skinnyman

Shapey Fiend · 05-05-2012 12:48pm

If anything the sales argument proves Wiley is the best. 50 times more people have listened to The Streets yet he's still holding his own in the poll.

Mike Skinner has big sales due to the white rapper effect. See also Professor Green, Devlin and Example.

danbrosnan · 05-05-2012 3:29pm

Devlin only came out last year.. thats why i never put him up, but with regard to the white & Black situation i'm not even gonna start talking like that cause music is music and leave it at that..

danbrosnan · 06-05-2012 6:33pm

CanWiley do it that is the question???

Best English Rapper Ever!!!

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