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AVB sacked!

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  • #102
    Sgt Pepper 64
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,627 ✭✭✭Sgt Pepper 64


    El LoCo Ade wrote: »
    AVB's 3yr contract worth £14m. On top of that, CFC spent £28m paying off Ancelotti & Porto. Thus his 39-game reign cost over £1m a match.

    I've seen he only had a 5 million pay off clause


  • #103
    Raskolnikov
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,148 ✭✭✭✭Raskolnikov


    Blatter wrote: »
    Yeah they have a fair bit of deadweight but Cech, Cole, Terry, Essien, Ivanovic, Lampard, Meireles, Torres are still at ages where they can play at the highest level and the likes of Luiz, Romeu, Ramires, Mata, Sturridge, Lukaku are quality young players.

    The players are there, the manager just wasn't getting the best out of them and most importantly, didn't look like he was going to.

    I can see them performing much better under a fresh manager and system more suited to their abilities.
    I agree! If AVB was English, he would have been absolutely destroyed on here for the way he picked his team and set it up. The fact that AVB allowed senior players to give team talks should have been enough to tell you that he was not a strong enough personality to impose his style of this team. AVB can talk about the project all he liked, but the fact remains that the Chelsea team he has should be finishing in the top 4 comfortably. The title wasn't a realistic ambition, but 3rd or 4th was definitely where this team should have been at.


  • #104
    willmunny1990
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,432 ✭✭✭willmunny1990


    amacachi wrote: »
    I expect Chelsea to go on a good run now. Gonna need Spurs to meltdown for Arsenal to get 4th.

    It's not a total disaster for us. It wasn't working under AVB and you can see why Roman sacked him, we were only ever going to plummet with him in charge.

    I'm confident of fourth spot, Arsenal are our only threat for that and they will drop points all over the place as i have said. I suppose Roman did what he had to in order to save our season, if he didn't i could of seen us slip behind Newcastle and maybe even the Pool.


  • #105
    Sasquatch76
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,353 ✭✭✭Sasquatch76


    In terms of the cost of continually hiring and firing, how does this affect Chelsea's book keeping with regard to the financial fair play rules? Surely this kind of expenditure is unsustainable when the rules are fully implemented??


  • #106
    ctrl-alt-delete
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,295 ✭✭✭✭ctrl-alt-delete


    Dont be at yourself wrote: »
    People can blame the players or Roman, but AVB was the architect of his own downfall. Whatever about a brief to overhaul the squad and club philosophy, he also had to manage his resources and work with what's at his disposal.

    Instead, he forced tactics designed for a young and hungry squad onto an ageing team. He tried to play a high line with Terry at the back. He tried to play a 433 without quality wingers, and wholly unsuited to the likes of Mata, Sturridge, Torres.che alienated the likes of Lampard, Anelka, Alex, and wasted a chance to get a result against the CL's most tactically naive team by playing politics with his team selection.

    He completely failed to foster team spirit, motivate the team, or adapt to his circumstances.

    Chelsea need continuity, but they also need to make sure they continue with the right person. AVB didn't show he was the right person.

    It is hard to argue with what you have said,

    But for me he lacked the support of the senior players and that has been the most damning aspect of his downfall. It is near impossible to foster team spirit or motivate a team when you do not have the backing and support of all of those around you.

    He managed to get rid of two of them, but unfortunately the ones who remained obviously held too much sway and power.

    The guy has obvious talent, and will continue to display that wherever the wind takes him next.

    As for Chelsea, they are always going to struggle if Roman continues to be so impatient. I can't believe he shelled out so much to get his man, and how quickly he has gone back against it. The money wasted on this short period for the club is shocking, and he will have to take most of the blame for me should the club fail to make the top 4.


  • #107
    amacachi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,316 ✭✭✭✭amacachi


    cgpg5 wrote: »
    Don't think their form will improve much tbh the players have been performing poorly I can't see how they'll miraculously improve in such a short space of time, next season is the big one though with a new manager (and surely a host of new players) in, together with a number of current players shipped out.

    The players wanted rid of him. 3 or 4 straight wins now would vindicate them.


  • #108
    YouTookMyName
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,361 ✭✭✭YouTookMyName


    JerryHandbag wrote: »
    Benitez favourite at 5/4 according to Paddy Power

    Can't seen him taking it.


  • #109
    ctrl-alt-delete
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,295 ✭✭✭✭ctrl-alt-delete


    amacachi wrote: »
    The players wanted rid of him. 3 or 4 straight wins now would vindicate them.

    Expect to see the performance levels rise sharply!


  • #110
    Masked Man
    Registered Users Posts: 2,546 ✭✭✭Masked Man


    Senior players undermine AVB because he's not Jose.
    AVB gets sacked.
    Jose comes back.
    Jose gets rid of senior players cause they're ****.

    God please let this happen. The irony would be beautiful.


  • #111
    SoulTrader
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 850 ✭✭✭SoulTrader


    Can't see Capello taking it, he's available immediately if they wanted him. Likewise Benitez, although he would know how to get the best out of Torres.

    The appointment of Di Matteo does suggest that there may be a gentleman's agreement for Mourinho to return in the summer - I hope that's not true, and Mourinho might think better of it.

    With Redknapp possibly taking the England job, is there a chance of AVB becoming the next Spurs manager? I think at Spurs he might get a better chance to showcase his abilities.

    Still don't know why they fired Ancellotti. He's a great manager and he made Chelsea very likable.

    RA's policy of giving managers less than a season to prove themselves is not going to help with the phasing out of the old guard - any new manager will know that RA only thinks in the short-term and may continue to rely on the old guard to achieve short-term results. But I suppose that can all be solved by throwing another 150m at the problem.


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  • #112
    amacachi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,316 ✭✭✭✭amacachi


    ctrl-alt-delete wrote: »
    Expect to see the performance levels rise sharply!

    That's the worry. :(


  • #113
    double GG
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,623 ✭✭✭double GG


    Abromovich should just become the manager or is he afraid of sacking himself?


  • #114
    Trampas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,785 ✭✭✭Trampas


    rafa turned them down last week supposedly


  • #115
    daingeanrob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 831 ✭✭✭daingeanrob


    Farce, he wasn't given a chance. he should've been given the funds/time to build his own squad around his philosophy and then judged. breaking up that ageing team still needs to be done and whoever does it will need un wavering support from the boardroom. great news for arsenal and liverpool though, they are self destructing.


  • #116
    jackthelad321
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 397 ✭✭jackthelad321


    Manager was out of his depth, and players sensed that and went for the throat. Will be a top manager, but needs to get another 5+ years in continental football before he can come back to English football at that level.


  • #117
    token56
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,632 ✭✭✭token56


    SoulTrader wrote: »
    With Redknapp possibly taking the England job, is there a chance of AVB becoming the next Spurs manager? I think at Spurs he might get a better chance to showcase his abilities.

    AVB at spurs could work very well is Harry does decide to leave. I would like to see him in that role.

    Any new manager coming in now is going to be in a very difficult position. They will either have to keep the senior players happy and give up control on what the team does, or try get rid as many as he can, build up a new team but risking the wrath of the owner if that new team doesn't start performing very quickly, but I think this scenario is very unlikely.


  • #118
    Sgt Pepper 64
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,627 ✭✭✭Sgt Pepper 64


    so wba got mccarthy sacked and now avb. and a manager sacked by wba takes over at chelsea - u couldn't make it up!


  • #119
    PeterTwo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 236 ✭✭PeterTwo


    YouTookMyName wrote: »
    Can't seen him taking it.

    Funnily enough, Benitez is speaking in TCD tomorrow. Surely someone will ask him then, or else I will.


  • #120
    JPA
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,788 ✭✭✭✭JPA


    Come to Villa AVB.


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  • #121
    CivilServant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,005 ✭✭✭CivilServant


    So many managers later, they still cannot replace the special one.

    Only solution for Roman now, is to eat his humble pie and open up the checkbook.


  • #122
    ricero
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,348 ✭✭✭✭ricero


    should of never sacked anceloti


  • #123
    Nuri Sahin
    Site Banned Posts: 26,456 ✭✭✭✭Nuri Sahin


    Chelsea's next 5 fixtures - Birmingham (A), Stoke (H), Napoli (H), Man City (A), Spurs (H).


  • #124
    Sgt Pepper 64
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,627 ✭✭✭Sgt Pepper 64


    nailed on 5 wins for roberto there


  • #125
    kevohmsford
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,316 ✭✭✭kevohmsford


    I would be very suprised to see Mourinho back at Chelsea. What is needed is a clear out in order to let Lukaku and Sturridge thrive. Players like Lampard and Cole are having too much influence.


  • #126
    Turtyturd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,397 ✭✭✭✭Turtyturd


    El LoCo Ade wrote: »
    Chelsea's next 5 fixtures - Birmingham (A), Stoke (H), Napoli (H), Man City (A), Spurs (H).

    I reckon Di Matteo gets the sack once he gets knocked out of the CL.


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  • #127
    Paparazzo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,397 ✭✭✭Paparazzo


    Abramovich should be next manager


  • #128
    rossie1977
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,365 ✭✭✭✭rossie1977


    JPA wrote: »
    Roman had to/has to accept a new manager will take time to implement their ideas and philosophy.

    tell that to sunderland fans or spurs fans or chelsea fans in 2009 when hiddink took over, sometimes a club and manager/player are just not suited to each other and avb and chelsea were not a match


  • #129
    Sasquatch76
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,353 ✭✭✭Sasquatch76


    I hope it doesn't prove to be too much of a set back for AVB's career, although he definitely has time on his side.


  • #130
    KCAccidental
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,492 ✭✭✭KCAccidental


    rossie1977 wrote: »
    tell that to sunderland fans or spurs fans or chelsea fans in 2009 when hiddink took over, sometimes a club and manager/player are just not suited to each other and avb and chelsea were not a match

    Abramovich wants Chelsea to play like FC Barcelona though. It will take time to put that in place, but he is not willing to wait for it to work.


  • #131
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Sacking Ancelotti was a really daft move. So I'm going to look on with real interest to see who they get to replace AVB. Not that many top tier managers available at the moment and in all honesty who'd actually want to inherit this woeful Chelsea situation?


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  • #132
    token56
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,632 ✭✭✭token56


    Thing is according to rumours, the relationship between the older more influential players and Di Matteo is not supposedly great either. But I think they will start playing better for themselves as they know Di Matteo is only a interim solution and an improvement in results is not going to get him the job.


  • #133
    Mr.Crinklewood
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,507 ✭✭✭✭Mr.Crinklewood


    My comments remain the same.


  • #134
    Warper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,377 ✭✭✭Warper


    Ridiculous sacking. Why get AVB in the first place if you are going to sack him in his first season with a tiny transfer kitty. Everyone knows the players are past it and need to be replaced asap. It will take well over a hundred million in transfer fees to get them back to the top. They need players all over the pitch and AVB would have been the man to get them there. No manager can turn this squad around - they are old and average now. Who is he going to get now - Rafa - lol.


  • #135
    rossie1977
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,365 ✭✭✭✭rossie1977


    Warper wrote: »
    Ridiculous sacking. Why get AVB in the first place if you are going to sack him in his first season with a tiny transfer kitty.

    AVB spent £85m during his period as manager


  • #136
    Blatter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,832 ✭✭✭✭Blatter


    http://hasandrevillasboasbeensackedyet.com/


  • #137
    Yakult
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 7,941 Mod ✭✭✭✭Yakult


    Hodgson in to settle the ship, only man for the job!


  • #138
    Rekop dog
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,584 ✭✭✭Rekop dog


    Harry would take the job if offered. #justsaying


  • #139
    ~Rebel~
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,992 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    rossie1977 wrote: »
    AVB spent £85m during his period as manager

    I can only come up with 61.3m...Am i missing anyone?
    Cahill 7m
    Mata 25m
    Meireles 12m
    Lukaku 13m
    Romeu 4.3m

    (still a nice sum of money of course!)


  • #140
    GavRedKing
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53,262 ✭✭✭✭GavRedKing


    Big mick mccarthy in id say. For the LOL's.


  • #141
    amacachi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,316 ✭✭✭✭amacachi


    Yakult wrote: »
    Hodgson in to settle the ship, only man for the job!

    Chelsea probably wouldn't be happy with him only having them a point better off at this point next season.


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  • #142
    gnfnrhead
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,478 ✭✭✭✭gnfnrhead


    Not a shock considering how trigger happy Roman is when it comes to managers. Harsh on AVB but he must have known it was coming when it became obvious that the players had no intention of doing what he wanted of them. Terry, Lampard, Cole, Drogba and several more were the problem but it seems obvious that they are who is really running things.

    Can't see any top manager being interested unless they are given one hell of an insurance that they will be given at least a few seasons.


  • #143
    Leiva
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,117 ✭✭✭✭Leiva


    Rumor has it that Jose flew in and met up with AVB .

    For what nobody knows but he did look resigned yesterday after the WestBrom game .


  • #144
    Tusky
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,065 ✭✭✭✭Tusky


    LuckyLloyd wrote: »
    He should never have been hired, he simply didn't have enough years managing in the top flight. Moreover, Ancelotti should never have been sacked if this was the level of replacement available.

    Chelsea need to hire someone and stick with them while they undergo a fundamental overhaul of the playing staff. Anything else will amount to a half measure.

    Hire Benitez, give him money, give him time and they will be back fighting for Champions Leagues / Leagues within a couple of years.

    On Football Weekly they said Benitez was offered the job but turned it down. I don't know if it was only a temporary position or the full thing.


  • #145
    rossie1977
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,365 ✭✭✭✭rossie1977


    ~Rebel~ wrote: »
    I can only come up with 61.3m...Am i missing anyone?
    Cahill 7m
    Mata 25m
    Meireles 12m
    Lukaku 13m
    Romeu 4.3m

    (still a nice sum of money of course!)

    Lukaku was 20m http://www.chelseafc360.com/2011/07/chelsea-up-bid-for-lukaku-to-20m-as.html Thibaut Courtois cost £8-10m, Kevin De Bruyne joined chelsea in january (not during avb reign as i originally thought) so you can subtract 7-8m from my previous calculation


  • #146
    L'prof
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,042 ✭✭✭✭L'prof


    ~Rebel~ wrote: »
    I can only come up with 61.3m...Am i missing anyone?
    Cahill 7m
    Mata 25m
    Meireles 12m
    Lukaku 13m
    Romeu 4.3m

    (still a nice sum of money of course!)

    Thibaut Courtois
    Ulises Dávila Plascencia
    Kevin De Bruyne
    Patrick Bamford


  • #147
    Lukker-
    Registered Users Posts: 9,405 ✭✭✭Lukker-


    Can't just have stability for stabilities sake, he wasn't the right man for the job and it was clearly evident he couldn't handle it.


  • #148
    Dozen Wicked Words
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,325 ✭✭✭✭Dozen Wicked Words


    Chelsea might have spent £85m but I doubt AVB had much to do with choosing many of the signings. Maybe Mata and Meireles. Don't think he wanted any of the young Belgians or even Cahill for that matter.


  • #149
    Sgt Pepper 64
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,627 ✭✭✭Sgt Pepper 64


    ~Rebel~ wrote: »
    I can only come up with 61.3m...Am i missing anyone?
    Cahill 7m
    Mata 25m
    Meireles 12m
    Lukaku 13m
    Romeu 4.3m

    (still a nice sum of money of course!)

    Only Mata, Romeu and Meireles were AVB purchases,
    all others have been "club" ones

    Thats part of the problem - we change managers so much and\or interfere too much that we have 2 transfer policys


  • #150
    MisterAnarchy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,261 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    Any man who repeatedly plays David Luiz as a centre back in a high defensive line deserves the sack.


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  • #151
    Cantona's Collars
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,709 ✭✭✭✭Cantona's Collars


    Too many senior players in Abramovic's ear,not right when players seem to have more power than the manager.

    There's a clique at Chelsea which needs to be broken up,the sooner the likes of Terry,Cole & Lampard are finished at the club the better.No manager will survive with those conspiring against him and a trigger happy owner.


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