Easiest way to move a car with the handbrake on?

Tragedy · 05-03-2012 8:43pm #1

Had 9 cars park in my spot in an underground complex over the last 6 months, with the latest tosser sticking so far out(it's a corner spot so usually I can at least park in front of them) I have nowhere to park without taking someone else's spot. It isn't in gear but the handbrake is on, what is the best way to move it? Don't think I could bounce it, and trolleys for under the wheels are about €100 for a pair which is rather expensive.

Ideas?

johnos1984 · 05-03-2012 8:46pm

Trolley jack it up and put biscuit tin kids or trays under the wheels

05-03-2012 8:46pm

Biscuit tray lids under each wheel and drag it using the towing eye.

patwicklow · 05-03-2012 8:47pm

Or put a rope on it and drag it out.

05-03-2012 8:49pm

Borrow skateboards....

johnos1984 · 05-03-2012 8:50pm

Whatever you do I'd like pictures and a video.

Maybe even a picture of how it is now

Tragedy · 05-03-2012 8:57pm

Biscuit tin lids tomorrow it is! Hoping to wedge it into the corner so I can park beside it. I only use the car at weekends and I'm intending to lay it up for 4 weeks ASAP, so if the offending merc isn't gone by tomorrow or Wednesday it'll be stuck until April.

patwicklow · 05-03-2012 9:01pm

Tragedy wrote: »

Biscuit tin lids tomorrow it is! Hoping to wedge it into the corner so I can park beside it. I only use the car at weekends and I'm intending to lay it up for 4 weeks ASAP, so if the offending merc isn't gone by tomorrow or Wednesday it'll be stuck until April.

Some cheek who ever parked it there, i would be ringing one of them scrap companies that take cars away feck that.

Tragedy · 05-03-2012 9:03pm

I usually don't even bother leaving notes, but getting fed up of it now. After 10 days on holiday, the last thing I want late Sunday night is to have no parking space and be forced to deal with this ****. Going to install a fold down security post (the management company can **** off if they have a problem with it) soonish, under €90 and doesn't require anything more than a 12mm drill bit to install which isn't too bad

kona · 05-03-2012 9:04pm

Buy one of those clamps and have a "release fee".

Guy:Incognito · 05-03-2012 9:07pm

patwicklow wrote: »

Or put a rope on it and drag it out.

This. It'll drag easy enough. I was in a 1.3 corrolla that pushed a parked Mazda 6 (iirc) out of the way)

Voodoomelon · 05-03-2012 9:10pm

Careful with jacks. If the car has a tilt sensor you'll set the alarm off.

marketty · 05-03-2012 9:15pm

I wouldn't touch it if I were you. Find some way to block him in but if you touch/move the car you could be causing a lot of bother for yourself

Tragedy · 05-03-2012 9:17pm

Not really, as long as I don't damage it he has no comeback against me(which is how clamping companies are able to operate unfortunately).
I don't think a 99 c180 would have a tilt sensor but sure, I'll find out tomorrow!

Tigger · 05-03-2012 9:18pm

Tragedy wrote: »

Biscuit tin lids tomorrow it is! Hoping to wedge it into the corner so I can park beside it. I only use the car at weekends and I'm intending to lay it up for 4 weeks ASAP, so if the offending merc isn't gone by tomorrow or Wednesday it'll be stuck until April.

Just to point out that if you move someone's car and then block it they'll probably feel justified in moving yours in return.

patwicklow · 05-03-2012 9:18pm

Is there any way of contacting the driver of the car? and why has it been in your space for so long?

MugMugs · 05-03-2012 9:18pm

marketty wrote: »

I wouldn't touch it if I were you. Find some way to block him in but if you touch/move the car you could be causing a lot of bother for yourself

"Judge, that man moved my car from his parking space for which he pays dearly for and didn't damage my vehicle!"

Yeah, it just doesn't really work for me....

Tigger · 05-03-2012 9:21pm

Tragedy wrote: »

Not really, as long as I don't damage it he has no comeback against me(which is how clamping companies are able to operate unfortunately).
I don't think a 99 c180 would have a tilt sensor but sure, I'll find out tomorrow!

If you move someone's property they have a cad against you
If you block someone's car they have a case against you

At this point you are in the right but you get in trouble if you do what you are saying

Just leave a note explaining that it is your property and that you will be having the car clamped if its parked there again

GalwayKiefer · 05-03-2012 9:22pm

If the space is your's then is there not a procedure in place with the management company to enforce it? Ie. Private clamping company.

MugMugs · 05-03-2012 9:23pm

Tigger wrote: »

If you move someone's property they have a cad against you
If you block someone's car they have a case against you

What case do they have ?

Tragedy · 05-03-2012 9:23pm

I left a note asking him not to use the spot unless he wanted to pay the €10,000 it cost and the management fee for the year(it's a couple of hundred quid but can't remember what exactly).

Note hasn't been moved and nothing was left on my car!

I also took down his insurance details, if any mysterious scratches or punctures happen to my car I won't hesitate to claim off his insurance and get a solicitor involved (in a civil case, the burden of proof rests on the balance of probability unlike a criminal case - or so I'm told).

Also, clamping is only above ground and I have no legitimate way of getting the car removed/penalised by the management company or an agent of theirs.

puzzle factory · 05-03-2012 9:24pm

trolley jack under the rear diff,watch out for the steering lock when your rolling it.

marketty · 05-03-2012 9:25pm

MugMugs wrote: »

"Judge, that man moved my car from his parking space for which he pays dearly for and didn't damage my vehicle!"

Yeah, it just doesn't really work for me....

But what if there is some problem already with the car? It would be very easy for the owner to then claim that you caused that damage and very difficult to prove you didn't. I'm on the OPs side by the way I'm just wary of how these things can spiral

Tigger · 05-03-2012 9:27pm

MugMugs wrote: »

What case do they have ?

They can claim damages for every possaible thing that could be wrong withe the car

Also is it a auto many c180s are

patwicklow · 05-03-2012 9:29pm

Tigger wrote: »

They can claim damages for every possaible thing that could be wrong withe the car

Also is it a auto many c180s are

If its an automatic then thats a problem moving it.

Tigger · 05-03-2012 9:30pm

Tragedy wrote: »

I left a note asking him not to use the spot unless he wanted to pay the €10,000 it cost and the management fee for the year(it's a couple of hundred quid but can't remember what exactly).

Note hasn't been moved and nothing was left on my car!

I also took down his insurance details, if any mysterious scratches or punctures happen to my car I won't hesitate to claim off his insurance and get a solicitor involved (in a civil case, the burden of proof rests on the balance of probability unlike a criminal case - or so I'm told).

Also, clamping is only above ground and I have no legitimate way of getting the car removed/penalised by the management company or an agent of theirs.

Note not touched then the owner mustn't he e been back yet
Just call the management co and let them deal

Or don't I just think its silly to think that you will have impunity zbecause you've been slightly inconvenienced

Rabidlamb · 05-03-2012 9:30pm

Tragedy wrote: »

I usually don't even bother leaving notes, but getting fed up of it now. After 10 days on holiday, the last thing I want late Sunday night is to have no parking space and be forced to deal with this ****. Going to install a fold down security post (the management company can **** off if they have a problem with it) soonish, under €90 and doesn't require anything more than a 12mm drill bit to install which isn't too bad

Remember you'll be drilling into pour concrete which can be all kinds of evil.
Don't skimp on a masonry bit, perhaps go 6mm first before reaming out with the larger bit.

Tigger · 05-03-2012 9:30pm

patwicklow wrote: »

If its an automatic then thats a problem moving it.

Exactly

Fiona · 07-03-2012 2:37pm

Why don't you just take the plates off it and report it to the management company / Garda and local authority and they will take it away.

Mycroft H · 07-03-2012 2:40pm

Go for it.

I'd be letting the air of the tyres of any person that claims a private space thats mine.

MugMugs · 07-03-2012 2:40pm

mrs crilly wrote: »

Why don't you just take the plates off it and report it to the management company / Garda and local authority and they will take it away.

If it's a gated complex the council don't care and you should never remove anything from another mans car. That's a criminal act.

I can't see anything criminal with moving it though and not causing damage.

Fiona · 07-03-2012 2:46pm

MugMugs wrote: »

If it's a gated complex the council don't care and you should never remove anything from another mans car. That's a criminal act.

Meh well thats what I did when somebody plonked their car outside my house.

07-03-2012 2:49pm

Tragedy wrote: »

............ Oh hi <SNIP>..................

Did you try messaging him on facebook or linkedin or the like?

creedp · 07-03-2012 2:52pm

BX 19 wrote: »

Go for it.

I'd be letting the air of the tyres of any person that claims a private space thats mine.

I've seen that happen on a number of ocassions in similar circumstances. Its unusual now though that apartment complexes don't have some form of sanction - normally clamping - for illegally parked cars.

Gregor Samsa · 07-03-2012 3:21pm

Sometimes, underground carparks in apartment blocks are used by car thieves to store cars between stealing it and using it in whatever. Or to leave them for a while to see if it has a tracking device on it.

If the car hasn't been moved in a while, and the note hasn't been touched, it's possible the owner doesn't know it's there. Maybe give the Gardai a quick call with the reg number (even after you've moved it)?

dilallio · 07-03-2012 3:26pm

Tragedy wrote: »

It's now been there almost 4 days.

Had another look, the owner left a diploma(or similar) in the back with his name on it. Oh hi <SNIP>, I wonder how high google search will rank this thread?

I'll take pics in an hour to show people why I'm pissed.

If you leave out the middle name, Facebook search only returns one person with that name and he's from Tralee - try sending him a message there.

Tragedy · 07-03-2012 4:13pm

Why would I message him? He's obviously plonked the car in the spot for the week. We'll see how much he likes it being blocked for a month so.

07-03-2012 4:18pm

Tragedy wrote: »

Why would I message him? ......

So he might move it.

Tragedy · 07-03-2012 4:19pm

No need now, I can safely park without inconveniencing anyone but him :pac:

Anan1 · 07-03-2012 4:47pm

creedp wrote: »

I've seen that happen on a number of ocassions in similar circumstances. Its unusual now though that apartment complexes don't have some form of sanction - normally clamping - for illegally parked cars.

What difference would it make? <SNIP> would leave the car in Tragedy's space for as long as he liked, then start a thread here and be met with sympathy and told to cut the clamp off and dump it. He might even be advised on his return that Tragedy's car, given that it's immobilising his car, effectively is the clamp, which would be interesting to say the least.

Tragedy · 07-03-2012 4:51pm

As stands, there is no actual method of dealing with illegal parking in the underground. No tow-away, no clamping, no form of sanction. Essentially anyone can park wherever they want, including blocking people in willy-nilly with zero repercussions past possible illegal actions by annoyed owners.

I've also heard of other management companies stopping clamping in underground car parks due to how many clamps are just cut off.

Max Power1 · 07-03-2012 4:55pm

Easiest way to move it? Release the handbrake

Anan1 · 07-03-2012 5:00pm

Tragedy wrote: »

As stands, there is no actual method of dealing with illegal parking in the underground. No tow-away, no clamping, no form of sanction. Essentially anyone can park wherever they want, including blocking people in willy-nilly with zero repercussions past possible illegal actions by annoyed owners.

I've also heard of other management companies stopping clamping in underground car parks due to how many clamps are just cut off.

We have lots of them in Motors, posting pictures of angle grinders and crowing about their rights. Your rights don't matter a jot to these people.

creedp · 07-03-2012 5:20pm

Anan1 wrote: »

What difference would it make? Olan James Carmody would leave the car in Tragedy's space for as long as he liked, then start a thread here and be met with sympathy and told to cut the clamp off and dump it. He might even be advised on his return that Tragedy's car, given that it's immobilising his car, effectively is the clamp, which would be interesting to say the least.

Well I've seen a car clamped by a private clamping company in an underground car park. I don't know how it was removed because the car was gone the next time I was in the car park. I've also seen notes left on cars in the same car park threatening clamping and the cars have moved on. Do you not think that the threat of clamping could be useful especially if the odd car is actually clamped? The inconvenience alone of having to remove the damn thing (by whatever means) should I wuld have thought encourage the majority of people to move on. I accept if you get a stickler that it is difficult to manage this situation. What I'm not clear on here (maybe I should read the whole thread more carefully) is this car permanently parked in the spot or does the guy come an go regularly?

djimi · 07-03-2012 5:30pm

phutyle wrote: »

Sometimes, underground carparks in apartment blocks are used by car thieves to store cars between stealing it and using it in whatever. Or to leave them for a while to see if it has a tracking device on it.

If the car hasn't been moved in a while, and the note hasn't been touched, it's possible the owner doesn't know it's there. Maybe give the Gardai a quick call with the reg number (even after you've moved it)?

This is extremely sensible advice. There was a 520d parked in a space outside my old place for about 3-4 days and when I rang the guards it turns out it was reported stolen.

Anan1 · 07-03-2012 5:31pm

creedp wrote: »

Well I've seen a car clamped by a private clamping company in an underground car park. I don't know how it was removed because the car was gone the next time I was in the car park. I've also seen notes left on cars in the same car park threatening clamping and the cars have moved on. Do you not think that the threat of clamping could be useful especially if the odd car is actually clamped? The inconvenience alone of having to remove the damn thing (by whatever means) should I wuld have thought encourage the majority of people to move on. I accept if you get a stickler that it is difficult to manage this situation. What I'm not clear on here (maybe I should read the whole thread more carefully) is this car permanently parked in the spot or does the guy come an go regularly?

The OP says he's had 9 different cars parked in his spot over the past 6 months. I'd imagine the culprits do the rounds, ie take a different space each time. Moving on isn't enough - the OP paid 10k for their spot and it should be available to them at any time. IMO, regulated saturation clamping is the solution - those wrongly clamped have the right to an independent appeal, and anyone who cuts the clamp off is prosecuted. People like Olan don't give a fvck about the rights of others - they need to be hit in the wallet.

djimi · 07-03-2012 5:31pm

Im not really sure what use clamping would do in this instance. Clamping is supposed to be a preventative measure; where the offending car is causing a problem clamping is actually counter-productive!

listermint · 07-03-2012 5:35pm

djimi wrote: »

Im not really sure what use clamping would do in this instance. Clamping is supposed to be a preventative measure; where the offending car is causing a problem clamping is actually counter-productive!

exactly, surely someone whom doesnt actually have a parking space in the underground and has not paid for it shouldnt have access to it in the first place?

i.e. a card system to enter / exit.

Theres the issue. not random clamping as so usually suggested by Anan.

tmc86 · 07-03-2012 5:37pm

Are you putting pics up?

Anan1 · 07-03-2012 5:38pm

djimi wrote: »

Im not really sure what use clamping would do in this instance. Clamping is supposed to be a preventative measure; where the offending car is causing a problem clamping is actually counter-productive!

Ah come on now. Our Olan has appropriated Tragedy's space for one reason only - because he thinks he'll get away with it. A reasonable expectation of getting clamped would have deterred him.

listermint wrote: »

exactly, surely someone whom doesnt actually have a parking space in the underground and has not paid for it shouldnt have access to it in the first place?

i.e. a card system to enter / exit.

Theres the issue. not random clamping as so usually suggested by Anan.

That would be ideal, but those systems cost a fortune to install and maintain. The owners of many small developments simply can't afford them.

listermint · 07-03-2012 5:43pm

Anan1 wrote: »

Ah come on now. Our Olan has appropriated Tragedy's space for one reason only - because he thinks he'll get away with it. A reasonable expectation of getting clamped would have deterred him.That would be ideal, but those systems cost a fortune to install and maintain. The owners of many small developments simply can't afford them.

We dont know if this is in place?

We dont know anything about this lads case or the car park that he has.

so blanket clamping is a ridiculous suggestion until we know the story. Your inforcement campaign has been PROVEN to drive wedges between neighbours and neighbourhoods and generally kills any sense of community that may exist in developments. In fact it leads folks to despise the members on their 'residents committees.

Clamping is just another tool to destroy sense of community and is not warranted in most cases. I cant understand why you find it so popular.

Easiest way to move a car with the handbrake on?

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