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N40 - Cork South Ring Bandon & Sarsfield Flyovers

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,032 ✭✭✭DWCommuter


    I've seen it back up past the flyover on the Kinsale Road Roundabout.

    IMO, its not unfeasible to think it may backup to the flyover of the Sarsfield Road roundabout whenever that's done.

    No its not unfeasible to think that traffic will back up. But it is worth considering other examples of where traffic chaos was predicted and then didn't materialise. The N7 through Kildare is the only other example I can think of, where grade seperation didn't cause the expected tail backs at Newlands Cross.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,017 ✭✭✭invinciblePRSTV


    DWCommuter wrote: »
    No its not unfeasible to think that traffic will back up. But it is worth considering other examples of where traffic chaos was predicted and then didn't materialise. The N7 through Kildare is the only other example I can think of, where grade seperation didn't cause the expected tail backs at Newlands Cross.

    You sir are not comparing like with like here. Newlands X was one signalised junction with 2 DCs intersecting but with parallel and many alternative routes in the area. The Lee tunnel has 1 Motorway and 3 DC's all converging on it carrying national, commuter and local city traffic across the only crossing of the Lee outside of the CC in the west of the city.

    To say that the Tunnel is not going to back up with traffic even more so then now is folly tbh, its clear once (if) the SRR flyovers are built its obvious it will send traffic quicker into the one remaining bottleneck which will equal longer tailbacks.

    Add to that the never ending expansion of Mahonpoint and its environs and 1500 houses at Dunkettle its clear as day the tunnel in its current set up is only going to see ever worsening traffic and needs upgrading ASAP.
    Aidan1 wrote: »

    It will be very interesting to see if the funding is found for these junctions, if only for that reason.

    Cork has to be put to the front of the queue if there is any money available for the SRR flyovers, tunnel upgrade & Midlelton DC upgrade (along with Galway outer bypass). Its crazy that despite the regions prominent role in bringing in and keeping FDI over the past 40 years that it has received so little in return over the past decade whilst every backwater got some pork.

    Gov was more then happy to provide money to infrastructure like the Shannon Airport DC and the like, but ignored plans to link the area with most of the countries heavy industry - Ringaskiddy - in the process. Madness.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,963 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    Its not specifically a tender, but a 'contract notice'. The NRA are trying, but there is still no definitive guarantee of funding for this.

    http://www.etenders.gov.ie/search/show/search_view.aspx?ID=APR147155
    The works consist of the upgrading of 3km of the N25 South Ring Road including the grade separation of both the Bandon Road and Sarsfield Road Roundabouts, the demolition of footbridges at both roundabouts, the construction of parallel link roads between the roundabouts, the construction of slip roads to and from the N25 South Ring Road to meet these roundabouts or the parallel roads, upgrading the approach roads to both roundabouts, the construction of new cyleways/footpaths and all ancillary works therewith.
    The main construction activities will be demolition, piling operations, ground improvement earthworks, drainage, earthworks, reinforced earth construction, concrete construction, bridge erection, road construction, road surfacing, service diversions, installation of road signs including gantry signs, installation of noise barriers, installation of traffic signals, provision of road markings, public lighting, landscaping, fencing and accomodation works.
    CPV: 4523310

    Edit: And for those who arent around, the N25 from Carrigtwohill to Midleton has had all its median gaps closed off and about half of it has been retarred. Retar the rest of it and it doesnt need doing and can wait a decade.


  • Registered Users Posts: 708 ✭✭✭cork_south


    Its not specifically a tender, but a 'contract notice'. The NRA are trying, but there is still no definitive guarantee of funding for this.

    http://www.etenders.gov.ie/search/show/search_view.aspx?ID=APR147155



    Edit: And for those who arent around, the N25 from Carrigtwohill to Midleton has had all its median gaps closed off and about half of it has been retarred. Retar the rest of it and it doesnt need doing and can wait a decade.

    Excellent stuff. Thanks for this info.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 193 ✭✭fitzeyboy.


    Edit: And for those who arent around, the N25 from Carrigtwohill to Midleton has had all its median gaps closed off and about half of it has been retarred. Retar the rest of it and it doesnt need doing and can wait a decade.

    Not quite all the median gaps are closed off, there are still a few knocking about. The road surface on this section is still in a bad state as most of the retarring was ad-hoc patching with the only 1km fully resurfaced. not to mention the number of AT grade junctions.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,031 ✭✭✭✭murphaph


    To say that the Tunnel is not going to back up with traffic even more so then now is folly tbh, its clear once (if) the SRR flyovers are built its obvious it will send traffic quicker into the one remaining bottleneck which will equal longer tailbacks.
    Variable (automatically enforced) speedlimits can mitigate against this. They set the limit on the A100 (Berlin Stadt Autobahn, Berlin's equivalent to the SRR) to 60km/h (it normally sits at 80) when traffic is very heavy to keep it moving and avoid bunching. It works. It should have been implemented as part of the M50 upgrade too tbh, people don't relaise that by setting a lower limit, you can get home faster.


  • Registered Users Posts: 708 ✭✭✭cork_south


    murphaph wrote: »
    Variable (automatically enforced) speedlimits can mitigate against this. They set the limit on the A100 (Berlin Stadt Autobahn, Berlin's equivalent to the SRR) to 60km/h (it normally sits at 80) when traffic is very heavy to keep it moving and avoid bunching. It works. It should have been implemented as part of the M50 upgrade too tbh, people don't relaise that by setting a lower limit, you can get home faster.

    At least people travelling east to Douglas\Mahon\Blackrock from Ballincollig direction will no longer encounter delays.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,963 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    Yeah, to not build the SRR flyovers on the account of Dunkettle becoming a bigger bottleneck would be crazy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,110 ✭✭✭KevR


    DWCommuter wrote: »
    No its not unfeasible to think that traffic will back up. But it is worth considering other examples of where traffic chaos was predicted and then didn't materialise. The N7 through Kildare is the only other example I can think of, where grade seperation didn't cause the expected tail backs at Newlands Cross.

    People were predicting huge tailbacks going through Ballinasloe (Westbound mainly) when the M6 from Athlone to East Ballinasloe. It was expected that traffic would arrive in Ballinasloe at faster pace and cause worse traffic going through the town. I drove Galway-Athlone-Galway everyday in the months leading up to the M6 opening and in the months immediately after the opening and traffic going through Ballinasloe was no worse after the opening.

    My theory for why it got no worse is that on the old N6 there was no decent overtaking opportunities between Athlone and Ballinasloe which meant traffic bunched up in huge convoys behind slow drivers. These convoys always moved at a snails pace through the town with people slowing or stopping to turn off or on to the N6. When the M6 opened, traffic was travelling a lot faster between Athlone and Ballinasloe but there was obviously excellent overtaking opportunities so traffic was arriving at Ballinasloe at a much more steady rate, rather than in bunches.

    Obviously there was grade seperation and a brand new motorway on the M6; in Cork it will just be grade seperation so not exactly the same..


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,017 ✭✭✭invinciblePRSTV


    KevR wrote: »
    People were predicting huge tailbacks going through Ballinasloe (Westbound mainly) when the M6 from Athlone to East Ballinasloe. It was expected that traffic would arrive in Ballinasloe at faster pace and cause worse traffic going through the town. I drove Galway-Athlone-Galway everyday in the months leading up to the M6 opening and in the months immediately after the opening and traffic going through Ballinasloe was no worse after the opening.

    My theory for why it got no worse is that on the old N6 there was no decent overtaking opportunities between Athlone and Ballinasloe which meant traffic bunched up in huge convoys behind slow drivers. These convoys always moved at a snails pace through the town with people slowing or stopping to turn off or on to the N6. When the M6 opened, traffic was travelling a lot faster between Athlone and Ballinasloe but there was obviously excellent overtaking opportunities so traffic was arriving at Ballinasloe at a much more steady rate, rather than in bunches.

    Obviously there was grade seperation and a brand new motorway on the M6; in Cork it will just be grade seperation so not exactly the same..

    Again let's be realistic here and compare like with like. Ballinasloe - Athlone is a rural motorway connecting a really small town (B'sloe) with two moderately sized urban area's (A'lone & Galway).

    The SRR is the main artery for an urban area of 300k people and beyond. It is congested now and will be even with the flyovers in place.

    So you have the main artery for the Cork urban area linking to 3 other Motorways/DCs via the tunnel. Without full grade seperation of the r'aboutl you will have 4 major routes all converging on one roundabout. Of course there will be major congestion.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 991 ✭✭✭MrDerp


    Again let's be realistic here and compare like with like. Ballinasloe - Athlone is a rural motorway connecting a really small town (B'sloe) with two moderately sized urban area's (A'lone & Galway).

    The SRR is the main artery for an urban area of 300k people and beyond. It is congested now and will be even with the flyovers in place.

    So you have the main artery for the Cork urban area linking to 3 other Motorways/DCs via the tunnel. Without full grade seperation of the r'aboutl you will have 4 major routes all converging on one roundabout. Of course there will be major congestion.

    I'm not sure about this. There might be some knock-on effect, sure, but I don't think it'll be so drastic.

    One simple question I ask myself is "how many people drive from Ballincollig to Dunkettle at rush hour?"

    The last roundabout before Dunkettle is at Sarsfield Rd. Is every car waiting at that roundabout going to go through the tunnel? There are 6 exits before the tunnel:
    1) Togher
    2) Turner's X, City Center (Link), Airport
    3) Douglas (West)
    4) Douglas (East)
    5) Carrigaline, Rochestown
    6) Mahon Point

    An absolutely massive catchment of Cork's population who, if going home, will get off before the tunnel.

    I agree there are times when dunkettle backs up really badly, and this can affect the link, and this might be made slightly worse by traffic rapidly approaching, but it'll be infrequent. It's certainly not enough to have an overall negative impact associated with building the flyovers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,110 ✭✭✭KevR


    So you have the main artery for the Cork urban area linking to 3 other Motorways/DCs via the tunnel. Without full grade seperation of the r'aboutl you will have 4 major routes all converging on one roundabout. Of course there will be major congestion.

    I'm not saying there won't be congestion and I would definitely like to see Dunkettle sorted properly. I think the other flyovers should be done; as Chris said - to not do the other flyovers on account of Dunkettle becoming a bigger bottleneck would be crazy. I was merely giving an example of where people thought a road upgrade would cause a bigger bottleneck at an existing bottleneck but that failed to materialise; I wasn't trying to compare like with like although Ballinasloe was a notorious bottleneck.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,544 ✭✭✭Hogzy


    Lads at the end of the day if they are built they are a step in the right direction. I cant see traffic getting any worse to be honest unless more people end up using the road due to their preception of it being congestion free.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,907 ✭✭✭munchkin_utd


    Hogzy wrote: »
    Lads at the end of the day if they are built they are a step in the right direction. I cant see traffic getting any worse to be honest unless more people end up using the road due to their preception of it being congestion free.
    It'll be interesting to see.

    It wouldnt be inconcievable that more non-essential spins are made by people heading to Wilton and Mahon point shopping areas once people aren't put off by the chance of getting stuck at those poxy roundabouts.

    But it would take some amount of extra housewives on the road to create enough congestion on a freeflow junction that everything grinds to a halt the way it does now!!!


  • Registered Users Posts: 708 ✭✭✭cork_south


    http://corkpolitics.ie/wp/?p=4832 April 15th 2010 Flyovers tender welcomed Tags: Bandon Road, Cork, flyovers, Ireland, N25, politics, Sarsfield Road, South Ring Road South Central TD Michael McGrath has welcomed the publication of tender documents for the construction of the Bandon road and Sarsfield road flyovers. The tender documents have been published by Cork City Council and contractors have until 17th May to apply to be considered for the project. “The construction of flyovers at the Bandon road and Sarsfield road interchanges is a major boost for Cork. Both of these junctions have been real bottlenecks on the Southern ring road network and it is tremendous news that they will proceed to construction in the coming months. “I understand that a detailed programme covering both the design and construction phases will be finalised over the next couple of weeks. A scale model of the proposed scheme is available for viewing at the National Road Design Office in Glanmire. “Once these new interchanges are completed, the South Ring Road will be a critical piece of infrastructure and will be an important asset for the region. I have no doubt but that the investment in these interchanges will pay a rich economic dividend for Cork in the years ahead. The interchanges will also make daily life so much easier for thousands of Cork commuters. “In recent weeks, I have again spoken with Senior NRA officials and Minister Noel Dempsey in relation to this project. There is a real commitment to delivering this project for Cork. “I understand that the construction project will take approx. 18 months to complete. The NRA will secure extremely good value for money in the marketplace at the moment given the level of competition between the leading building contractors. I very much look forward to seeing progress on the development of these two key interchanges in the period ahead,” he said.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 577 ✭✭✭Typewriter


    Two east and west photos from the pedestrian brige over the Sarsfield road roundabout. I took these last month at about 3pm on a Tuesday. I rediscovered them on my phone today just thought I'd share.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 488 ✭✭fresca


    I had always thought that that pedestrian bridge over the sarsfield road roundabout was one of the longest pedestrian bridges in ireland.
    it seems the new bridge in UL is now longer at 350m.
    http://www.ulf.ie/events/president-officially-opens-irelands-longest-pedestrian-bridge-at-ul/
    Two east and west photos from the pedestrian brige over the Sarsfield road roundabout. I took these last month at about 3pm on a Tuesday. I rediscovered them on my phone today just thought I'd share.


  • Registered Users Posts: 708 ✭✭✭cork_south


    Today is the last day for the tender application.

    http://www.etenders.gov.ie/search/show/search_view.aspx?ID=APR147155
    Publication Date: 12/04/2010 Application Deadline: 17/05/2010 Notice Deadline Date: 24/05/2010


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,794 ✭✭✭Bards


    December start for construction to commence (Pending Funding) - weird month to pick to start construction, right in the middle of Winter with short days and holidays etc

    From Irish Examiner http://www.examiner.ie/ireland/flyover-projects-to-bring-two-years-of-traffic-disruption-120066.html
    ===========================================
    MOTORISTS face up to two years of disruption while two flyovers are built on Cork’s busiest road.



    A major plan is now being drawn up to keep city traffic moving during the €60 million project designed to eliminate two of the N25 South Ring Road’s most notorious bottlenecks.

    Engineers leading the N25 Bandon Road and Sarsfield Road flyover project confirmed last night that work is scheduled to start in December, pending funding, and will take at least 24 months to complete.

    The work on both roundabouts – located less than a mile apart – will take place at the same time as part of a single contract.

    And with up to 60,000 vehicles using the roundabouts each day, engineers are now working on a plan to manage traffic while construction work continue.

    They are already in talks with gardaí and the emergency services to ensure that traffic disruption is minimised.

    It is likely that the closure of critical east-west lanes will not take place at rush-hour. Night-time and weekend work, which is expensive, will also be required.

    Special arrangements will also be made for emergency service vehicles to continue using the Sarsfield Road roundabout to facilitate access to nearby Cork University Hospital.

    As well as using press and local radio to keep the public updated, engineers are also considering using social networking sites like Facebook and Twitter to give live updates. They have also invited the public to email n25@ccc-site.com to be included on a mailing list for updates.

    The traffic problem at each roundabout has worsened significantly since the €70m Kinsale Road flyover opened in 2006.

    The new flyovers are designed to take east and westbound traffic up and over the roundabouts.

    A lot of advance engineering work has already been done near the Sarsfield Road roundabout, at the boundary of St Finbarr’s GAA club’s land, and along the westbound lane between both roundabouts, near Bishopstown Court shopping centre. Engineers are now finalising the detailed designs for the two four-lane flyovers.

    The Sarsfield Road roundabout will be realigned. Slip roads will be built on the northern and southern sides of the roundabouts to facilitate access to the Bishopstown, Wilton and Togher suburbs.

    Pedestrian footbridges at both roundabouts will be removed.

    A walkway and cycle lane on the northern side of the N25, between the roundabouts, will be maintained and a new cycle lane will be built on the southern side. Expressions of interest have already been invited from contractors and the short-listing process will be carried out early next month.

    The short-listed contractors will then begin work on the preparation of their final tenders and these will then be submitted towards the end of September.

    Preliminary works have already begun to locate existing services like electricity, sewage and gas pipes.

    Some short-term lane closures will be needed to allow this work to continue but these lane closures will be carried out during off-peak hours or at weekends.

    A scale model of the flyover scheme is available for viewing at the National Road Design Office in Glanmire. It is likely that the model will also be put on display over the coming weeks in both the City Hall and County Hall.

    The flyovers have been in planning since 2003 and it is hoped that funding will be secured within months.

    Read more: http://www.examiner.ie/ireland/flyover-projects-to-bring-two-years-of-traffic-disruption-120066.html#ixzz0oGRUbA75


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,544 ✭✭✭Hogzy


    Am i the only one who is shocked at all this all of a sudden?I know its been planned for ages and i suppose it had to happen some time but im shocked at all this all of a sudden!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,907 ✭✭✭munchkin_utd


    i am also surprised but it is a rational and logical thing to do.

    during recessionary times, you can get your capital projects done cheaper (even with the added cost of borrowing) and in place in time for when they are really needed during the good times.

    And also in the bigger picture Cork is a less attractive and more expensive place to do business at the moment with the jams currently caused by the roundabouts.
    If in teh future the flyovers help businesses be more efficient, more profitable, more viable; then that creates jobs, and the extra taxes help pay the loan on the road improvements.

    well....... that 50% + of the working population dont pay income tax is another issue, but at least there would be less on the dole if the removal of the traffic jams were to stimulate economic activity and create(/ save) jobs in Cork City!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,017 ✭✭✭invinciblePRSTV


    Again i'll believe it when i see it, but seeing as the latest piece of propaganda coming through my door yesterday was a Michael Martin flyer (although my address is miles outside of Cork South Centrals boundaries) which extolled how this project was progressing then i'm thinking Cork SC FF have managed to get funding of the flyovers made a priority. Political patronage is a dirty old game.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 488 ✭✭fresca


    can you smell it.... ELECTION
    Hogzy wrote: »
    Am i the only one who is shocked at all this all of a sudden?I know its been planned for ages and i suppose it had to happen some time but im shocked at all this all of a sudden!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,544 ✭✭✭Hogzy


    fresca wrote: »
    can you smell it.... ELECTION

    LOL i was gonna say the exact same too!!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,468 ✭✭✭BluntGuy


    Regardless of whatever political motives, this should've been a priority anyway. Its benefits weigh favourably against the relatively modest cost.

    Hopefully this scheme will secure funding. But I share invinciblePRSTV's view of "I'll believe it when I see it".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 488 ✭✭fresca


    Whatever about the merits of the scheme, it's hard not to be cynical though, isn't it? ;)
    BluntGuy wrote: »
    Regardless of whatever political motives, this should've been a priority anyway. Its benefits weigh favourably against the relatively modest cost.

    Hopefully this scheme will secure funding. But I share invinciblePRSTV's view of "I'll believe it when I see it".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,963 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    Whatever about funding, at least they've finally admitted this is top of the pile of schemes waiting to go. Its ridiculous that this hasnt been touched yet.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,544 ✭✭✭Hogzy


    Whatever about funding, at least they've finally admitted this is top of the pile of schemes waiting to go. Its ridiculous that this hasnt been touched yet.

    They probably thought Cork was happy because the M8 was being built, now that its basically finished they probably want to look busy and as if they are actually doing something useful with our money!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,490 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    I still think its a mistake putting Sarsfield Road under the ring road.
    Bards wrote: »
    December start for construction to commence (Pending Funding) - weird month to pick to start construction, right in the middle of Winter with short days and holidays etc
    Indeed, especially on a site that is essentially a bog. In reality, I imagine its down to managing massaging budgets.
    Two east and west photos from the pedestrian brige over the Sarsfield road roundabout. I took these last month at about 3pm on a Tuesday. I rediscovered them on my phone today just thought I'd share.
    You have east and west confused in the photo titles.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,544 ✭✭✭Hogzy


    Victor wrote: »
    I still think its a mistake putting Sarsfield Road under the ring road.

    Never thought of that actually, Would it not be easier to do that. It might also help the little flooding issue they have there aswell.
    Removing the roundabout and continuing the N25 straight through then having a bridge go over it with slip roads (Similar to the mahon point junction)What is it exactly your suggesting though?

    Does anyone have a picture of the scheme model. Apparently there is one in the National Roads Centre in Glanmire and there putting one in the Co. Hall and the City Hall.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 577 ✭✭✭Typewriter


    Victor wrote: »
    You have east and west confused in the photo titles.

    Whoops so I do.:o


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,490 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    Hogzy wrote: »
    Never thought of that actually, Would it not be easier to do that. It might also help the little flooding issue they have there aswell.
    Removing the roundabout and continuing the N25 straight through then having a bridge go over it with slip roads (Similar to the mahon point junction)What is it exactly your suggesting though?
    I'm suggesting essentially the same layout they are, except with the ring road at ground level at Sarsfield Road. Its harder to keep it at ground level at Bandon Road because the approaches on Bandon Road would be too steep. It would reduce by a lot of the length of embankment they are proposing. Quicker (less fill), reduced cost, reduced visual impact and an easier vertical geometry for traffic on Sarsfield Road which is long and steep in places.

    An alternative to a roundabout would be a double bridge like at Mahon Point.

    I know the area is a bog (they took out 8-9m of peat when building Sarsfield Road-Bandon Road), but I didn't realise it flooded.
    Does anyone have a picture of the scheme model. Apparently there is one in the National Roads Centre in Glanmire and there putting one in the Co. Hall and the City Hall.

    You can see the Curaheen Road and Bandon Road bridges here (second last page): http://www.corkrdo.ie/files/N25%20SOUTH%20RING%20ROAD.pdf


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,544 ✭✭✭Hogzy


    Victor wrote: »

    I know the area is a bog (they took out 8-9m of peat when building Sarsfield Road-Bandon Road), but I didn't realise it flooded.

    The N25 doesnt flood, its this bit that floods because there is a dip in the road.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,544 ✭✭✭Hogzy


    Looks like this could be shelved for the indefinite future:

    Irish Times

    I knew this sounded too good to be true


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,536 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Hogzy wrote: »
    Looks like this could be shelved for the indefinite future:

    Irish Times

    I knew this sounded too good to be true

    Thats the Sunday Times and has this project under the 'hopes to complete' section...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,733 ✭✭✭✭corktina


    Victor wrote: »
    I'm suggesting essentially the same layout they are, except with the ring road at ground level at Sarsfield Road. Its harder to keep it at ground level at Bandon Road because the approaches on Bandon Road would be too steep. It would reduce by a lot of the length of embankment they are proposing. Quicker (less fill), reduced cost, reduced visual impact and an easier vertical geometry for traffic on Sarsfield Road which is long and steep in places.

    An alternative to a roundabout would be a double bridge like at Mahon Point.

    I know the area is a bog (they took out 8-9m of peat when building Sarsfield Road-Bandon Road), but I didn't realise it flooded.

    double bridge like at Mahon Point? jeez arent these junctions bad enough already without foisting us off with a junction like that at Mahon (which I didnt know was double....)

    The advantage of an over bridge on the N25 SRR is it would cause less disruption during building...


  • Registered Users Posts: 708 ✭✭✭cork_south


    http://corkpolitics.ie/wp/?p=5675


    August 10th 2010

    Flyovers will proceed says McGrath

    Tags: Cork, flyovers, Fred Barry, Ireland, Michael McGrath, NRA, politics, South Ring

    corkroad_n25_sarsfie ld_road_bandon_road_ interchanges_1_Image 12CORK South Central TD Michael McGrath has been informed in writing by the Chief Executive of the NRA that the authority expects to have sufficient funding in 2011 to proceed with the construction of the Bandon road and Sarsfield road flyovers as planned.

    Deputy McGrath wrote to the NRA’s Chief Executive Fred Barry last month following media reports that the two flyovers were at risk due to funding constraints.

    “I am pleased that NRA remains committed to constructing these two flyovers on the southern ring road network. The Government has already indicated the overall capital budget for next year and the NRA is working on the basis of these figures. Mr. Barry’s reassurance regarding the project is therefore very encouraging.

    “The NRA went to tender for the construction of the two interchanges last April and will be in a position to appoint a contractor later this year once its budget for 2011 is confirmed.

    “These two interchanges will also make daily life so much easier for thousands of Cork commuters and will provide a real economic boost to the region. I understand that the construction phase will take approx. 18 months to complete and I am looking forward to seeing progress on the ground over the months ahead,” he said.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,544 ✭✭✭Hogzy


    So much for them starting in Q4 2010 which was originally promised a few months ago.
    Again, im still pessimistic about the whole thing. All these articles are coming from politicians.
    Once the NRA gives the official go ahead thats when my optimism will pick up.

    Does anyone know the total time for the Kinsale Interchange took to build?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,468 ✭✭✭BluntGuy


    Hogzy wrote: »
    Again, im still pessimistic about the whole thing. All these articles are coming from politicians.

    Indeed. Neither the government nor NRA have made any firm committment yet.

    That said I can see this one just about scraping through. Modest cost, high return and great political reward.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 13,018 ✭✭✭✭jank


    BluntGuy wrote: »
    Indeed. Neither the government nor NRA have made any firm committment yet.

    That said I can see this one just about scraping through. Modest cost, high return and great political reward.

    Yeap, its a no brainer really from FF's point of view. I think I read somewhere it will take 18 months or so to build. So a Q1 2011 start will she it almost completed by the GE of 2012!:D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,093 ✭✭✭Amtmann


    When has the delivery of a road ever done FF some good though since 1997? Granted you do have your Healy-Rae fanboys, but I don't think the provision of the SRR flyovers will do much for FF in Cork. The again, perhaps I'm crediting the electorate with more wisdom than it has.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 991 ✭✭✭MrDerp


    Furet wrote: »
    When has the delivery of a road ever done FF some good though since 1997? Granted you do have your Healy-Rae fanboys, but I don't think the provision of the SRR flyovers will do much for FF in Cork. The again, perhaps I'm crediting the electorate with more wisdom than it has.

    As a Cork South Central native, I can tell you that opening these would certainly give FF a boost.

    I think there's three main topics in Cork South Central:
    - Cork airport debt
    - Traffic / SRR
    - Hospital services

    Cork is just as parochial as any other constituency. The election fliers say it all:
    'representing the people of Cork at local and national level' ... 'instrumental in new library for x' ... 'secured funding at national level for local swimming pool in y' ... 'fighting closing of services at hospital in z'.

    Knock 15 mins off a couple of thousand commutes and you might see FF drag their two CSC sitting TDs into the next Dail. Expect some sort of bull**** 'firm commitment' on Dunkettle too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,544 ✭✭✭Hogzy


    Furet wrote: »
    When has the delivery of a road ever done FF some good though since 1997? Granted you do have your Healy-Rae fanboys, but I don't think the provision of the SRR flyovers will do much for FF in Cork. The again, perhaps I'm crediting the electorate with more wisdom than it has.

    Shut up Furet. We dont want them to know that...

    Fianna Fail will definitely be reelected in Cork if this flyover is built

    /Sniggers
    MrDerp wrote: »
    Knock 15 mins off a couple of thousand commutes and you might see FF drag their two CSC sitting TDs into the next Dail. Expect some sort of bull**** 'firm commitment' on Dunkettle too.

    Fianna Fail did so well infact that they removed the commuting time entirely for some ;)
    They would have to do alot more than 15mins to be reelected here. Mind you who knows what will have happened by 2012.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,017 ✭✭✭invinciblePRSTV


    Furet wrote: »
    When has the delivery of a road ever done FF some good though since 1997? Granted you do have your Healy-Rae fanboys, but I don't think the provision of the SRR flyovers will do much for FF in Cork. The again, perhaps I'm crediting the electorate with more wisdom than it has.

    Don't you recall the M3 effect on the good people of Meath? the great commuting population of that area voted en masse for FF in 2007 (increasing their % of the FPV and seats from 2002) after FF made an election issue of poor commuting times and highlighted how the M3 was the solution to all their woes.

    Much like the natives of Dublin South Central, it once again shows that political gombeenism & parish pump politics aren't unique to rural constituencies.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,093 ✭✭✭Amtmann


    Don't you recall the M3 effect on the good people of Meath? the great commuting population of that area voted en masse for FF in 2007 (increasing their % of the FPV and seats from 2002) after FF made an election issue of poor commuting times and highlighted how the M3 was the solution to all their woes.

    Much like the natives of Dublin South Central, it once again shows that political gombeenism & parish pump politics aren't unique to rural constituencies.

    Fair enough... was that down to the M3 alone though? Anyway, this is maybe suited to a separate thread. Don't want to drag this any further off-topic.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,093 ✭✭✭Amtmann


    Some diagrams of what is proposed for the flyovers:
    Overall:
    mainline.jpg

    Bandon Flyover:
    bandon.jpg
    bandon2.jpg
    n25bandondrawings.jpg

    Sarsfield Flyover:
    sarsfield.jpg
    Top = to Wilton
    sarsfield2.jpg
    sarsfieldroundabout.jpg


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,093 ✭✭✭Amtmann


    The attached brochure gives some indication of what will be involved. The Kinsale Road Roundabout was re-done in 2006. At 2.4km it cost €50 million. Prices should be lower now in 2011, if the Bandon and Sarsfield flyovers go ahead.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,544 ✭✭✭Hogzy


    Jaysus i remember those times during construction. The Friday afternoons when the N25 was down to one lane. Traffic was MENTAL!!!!!!!

    Thinking back i cant remember what the Kinsale road roundabout looked like before the flyover. All i can remember is the construction phase.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,093 ✭✭✭Amtmann


    Latest update is attached.


  • Registered Users Posts: 708 ✭✭✭cork_south


    any update here?


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