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WASTE OF MONEY ON PORTLAOISE!!!
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26-04-2012 10:40pm#1
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FANTAPANTS wrote: »aghhhhhhh you must be 1 of the pump up whores that have a say in the country prob on 200,000 euro a year piss off spa
Well arent I a conumdrum.
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KickstartHeart wrote: »The BA did guard the maize prison. Their failure to follow basic SOP's ended up causing a massive escape..but we'll not get into that...
Why do people think things to do with the military are a 'waste of money'.
Last year single parents cost the state 2 Billion in social welfare. The Defence Forces and what it does costs a hell of a lot less, and actually gives something. If your'e looking to brand things as a 'waste of money' point elsewhere.
There are still very dangerous prisoners in that prison. Ireland is not texas, our police and prison service are primarily not armed. With prisoners like that there needs to be an armed guard. The Defence Forces fills that gap.
I wouldn't slag the Brits off too much its not as if the defense forces prevented all escapes
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Fenian Army wrote: »I wouldn't slag the Brits off too much its not as if the defense forces prevented all escapes
I'm not slagging anyone off.
I'm not suggesting the defence forces prevented all escapes.0 -
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FANTAPANTS wrote: »why privatise it no other country that i know has armed soldiers watching over scum.... the prison officers can do it .... not looking for a war on this mate but its money ill -spent were it could be pumped into temple streets kids hospital instead of scummers:):):)
Excellent idea for saving money - pay PO's probably triple what it costs the tax payer to provide the service by using the army.
You served in Portloaise?.
I bet you weren't feeling so high and mighty at the time when you were putting out your hand for the Portlaoise allowance eh
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or increasing the amount of PO's on duty 24/7, not to mention arming them!!! Both options would cost the state and taxpayer an awful lot more than having the army fulfil this role.
Arming them isn't far-fetched, nor should it cost a whole lot (just give 'em surplus Steyrs)
There's one hell of a lot of old DF hands in the prison service who could be tasked to do it.0 -
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Not many European countries use their army to police prisons.
In reality it should be phased out and the armed ability given to another non military body.
Privatisation (including armed )as nasty as it sounds should not be discounted.
The OP's original point and the thread topic is that its a waste of money having the army guard portlaoise prison. So your solution is to spend more money on a private security firm to do the job that the DF do very very well for a relative pittance?
It would cost an absolute fortune by comparison. The DF dont get paid shift allowance, night duty allowance, weekend pay or overtime. At least some of which would be demanded by any private security firm. And in fairness they would be entitled to it.
Even outside of the financial aspect its not even an arguable point in my eyes. The defence forces have more training for this role and more experience than anyone else. The DF at times operate under conditions and work pracrices that would be considered medieval by some but they do it because its their duty and its what they have been told to do. In the DF you have a well trained force that is always dependable and will never strike or even threaten to (PO's take note). They'd be cheap at twice the price considering the service they provide. 0 -
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This might take me a while but here goes.....John its a prison the fact remains it should not be the RDF's job to do it.
RDF? The RDF, to the best of my knowledge have not been involved in ATCP duties since the 1970's and have never been posted to portlaoise prison. One of the primary roles of the PDF however is ATCP.The army should not be used as cheap labour for other Government departments.
Why not? I thought this whole thread was about how the army doing this job is a waste of money. But now they are being called 'cheap labour'? Which is it? Are they a waste of money or cheap labour? To get an even remotely comparable level of security in the country's only high security prison would cost an exorbitant amount of money in wages alone, never mind the ancillary costs.
Which brings us onto your next point.....The initial point that its a waste of money housing them well you dont really have an option there.
You're dead right. If the cost of housing a security element in portlaoise prison is examined we are left with only one viable option to provide that security.
I would be very surprised to learn if you are currently or have ever served in the DF as you obviously dont know the security requirements involved.
So without compromising operational security I will attempt to counter this statement. Regardless of who is gaurding the prison, they will have to be accomodated, whether its over a period of days or even hours. There must at all times be a standby element ready to deploy in the event of a serious incident. I'm sure the PO's must have a similar arrangement for smaller scale incidents. If you want to save money by leaving these guys in an unheated room with no electricity or whatever or better yet leave them out in the rain with no accomodation then go right ahead. A private security firm or the prison service wouldn't be too long complaining about it, whereas the Army will shut up and get on with it because they are told to. The DF involvement in securing the prison goes far beyond the guys on the wall and on the roof as it would and must do for anyone you propose to replace them. But to say that its a drain to accomodate them is madness when it would cost substantially more to house and accomodate their replacements is misguided in the extreme.
And remember you are dealing with an organisation that has consistently met and exceeded its expectations of cost saving and energy efficency! The prison service or any security firm cannot make that claim as easily.
No where else in the public sector and certainly not in the private sector will you find an organisation that will feed a man for 24 hrs on 5 euro a day (roughly).
You my friend need to do your homework. And while you're at it, tell the OP to the same.
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