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*Everything HPAT and Medicine 2012*

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  • #2652
    Mad Shark
    Registered Users Posts: 53 ✭✭Mad Shark


    Creidim wrote: »
    I got 684 and my mother thinks I have a great chance of getting Medicine.. poor woman :pac:


    what will we be like without them !!


  • #2653
    Paralysis
    Registered Users Posts: 110 ✭✭Paralysis


    Does anyone know what time 1st round offers are out on Monday?


  • #2654
    Whatsernamex33
    Closed Accounts Posts: 843 ✭✭✭Whatsernamex33


    They're out at 6am. :)


  • #2655
    Paralysis
    Registered Users Posts: 110 ✭✭Paralysis


    Whatsernamex33 wrote: »
    They're out at 6am. :)

    Fab, thanks :)


  • #2656
    MtHanrahan
    Registered Users Posts: 17 ✭MtHanrahan


    I reckon points for med will increase by 5 - 15 points at least. Saying this because of the bonus points in maths, increased numbers sitting higher level maths and irish and this will effect medicine because traditionally these were the go-to subjects to drop down as well as English when under pressure.


  • #2657
    Wobbledeeboop
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 13 ✭Wobbledeeboop


    MtHanrahan wrote: »
    I reckon points for med will increase by 5 - 15 points at least. Saying this because of the bonus points in maths, increased numbers sitting higher level maths and irish and this will effect medicine because traditionally these were the go-to subjects to drop down as well as English when under pressure.

    I would argue that an average A1 ordinary level maths student could manage at least a C1 pretty easily in higher level

    Lost all credibility right here, should have had someone proof read your blog first


  • #2658
    SdoowSirhc
    Registered Users Posts: 524 ✭✭✭SdoowSirhc


    Is there a way of getting into medicine post grad after doing a B.Sc without a Hpat?


  • #2659
    MtHanrahan
    Registered Users Posts: 17 ✭MtHanrahan


    Wobbledeeboop wrote: »
    Lost all credibility right here, should have had someone proof read your blog first

    why not? under the presumption that the student did higher level from 5th year and actually tried. Obviously i didn't mean teach a student in pass and then make them sit the higher level paper on the day. That would be stupid. Also I thought C1 was pretty conservative, seeing as Project Maths dummed it down for ye :P


  • #2660
    MtHanrahan
    Registered Users Posts: 17 ✭MtHanrahan


    SdoowSirhc wrote: »
    Is there a way of getting into medicine post grad after doing a B.Sc without a Hpat?

    Yes but there is a different entrance exam for that


  • #2661
    Canard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,572 ✭✭✭Canard


    MtHanrahan wrote: »
    why not? under the presumption that the student did higher level from 5th year and actually tried. Obviously i didn't mean teach a student in pass and then make them sit the higher level paper on the day. That would be stupid. Also I thought C1 was pretty conservative, seeing as Project Maths dummed it down for ye :P
    Lawl, just butting in to say I probably could have gotten an OL A1 after seeing the exam and got a HC3, project maths is not dumbed down - it just has less material but it's more interlinked and you have to be creative with it.


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  • #2662
    SdoowSirhc
    Registered Users Posts: 524 ✭✭✭SdoowSirhc


    So if I missed by a few points on medicine and I got into a biology course could I then enter med?


  • #2663
    MtHanrahan
    Registered Users Posts: 17 ✭MtHanrahan


    Patchy~ wrote: »
    MtHanrahan wrote: »
    why not? under the presumption that the student did higher level from 5th year and actually tried. Obviously i didn't mean teach a student in pass and then make them sit the higher level paper on the day. That would be stupid. Also I thought C1 was pretty conservative, seeing as Project Maths dummed it down for ye :P
    Lawl, just butting in to say I probably could have gotten an OL A1 after seeing the exam and got a HC3, project maths is not dumbed down - it just has less material but it's more interlinked and you have to be creative with it.
    Patchy, generally I like what you say so please don't be offended but less material + creativity = dummed down in my view, that along with writing in the question paper. Maths doesn't require 'creativity' it requires you to know what you are doing and why and what will happen as a result! Perhaps I overestimated the abilities of irish students.

    Btw, and sorry to use you as an example like this but if you got a C3 that means you got about half the paper wrong, didn't know what you were doing and more than likely would not have gotten a A1 in pass. I'm looking at this as a med student who saw so many people in medicine with pass maths who would have been well able for higher level but didn't do it to focus on other subjects.


  • #2664
    MtHanrahan
    Registered Users Posts: 17 ✭MtHanrahan


    SdoowSirhc wrote: »
    So if I missed by a few points on medicine and I got into a biology course could I then enter med?

    Best to go into first year biology, repeat the Hpat in that year and reapply for undergrad medicine for 2013.


  • #2665
    Canard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,572 ✭✭✭Canard


    MtHanrahan wrote: »
    Patchy, generally I like what you say so please don't be offended but less material + creativity = dummed down in my view, that along with writing in the question paper. Maths doesn't require 'creativity' it requires you to know what you are doing and why and what will happen as a result! Perhaps I overestimated the abilities of irish students.

    Btw, and sorry to use you as an example like this but if you got a C3 that means you got about half the paper wrong, didn't know what you were doing and more than likely would not have gotten a A1 in pass. I'm looking at this as a med student who saw so many people in medicine with pass maths who would have been well able for higher level but didn't do it to focus on other subjects.
    [url]Http://mthanrahan.com[/url]
    Fair enough, I'm not offended :pac: I never claimed to be a maths prodigy, I only did it for the points. I didn't mean creativity as in "lets make things up" or something, it's more logical thinking on the spot rather than learning "when I see this I must do this" which would have worked for a lot of things (thats why I'm almost certain my P1 brought me up, but I had no idea what any of the stuff I was doing meant in real terms). The only removed section I've heard of is vectors which are supposed to be tedious but easy.

    I didn't really know what I was doing, partly because the exam was completely different to what I expected, but after seeing my sister's OL P1 I know I would have gotten a very high score if not an A1 because I had 7 of those questions done at HL (just not complex numbers) and I did have some understanding of the concepts, so it wasn't totally alien to me. I looked at P2 and it actually had one question we got at HL too, which really required thinking and spontaneity, not rote-learning - hardly dumbed down.

    I don't know or care if I'd have gotten an A1 in pass because maths doesn't interest me or anything, but I do know that I wouldn't have done badly, even if I got half of HL wrong. :P


  • #2666
    randylonghorn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,509 ✭✭✭✭randylonghorn


    SdoowSirhc wrote: »
    So if I missed by a few points on medicine and I got into a biology course could I then enter med?
    MtHanrahan wrote: »
    Best to go into first year biology, repeat the Hpat in that year and reapply for undergrad medicine for 2013.
    Bear in mind that if you do that, you will most likely be paying *full* fees for your first year in medicine (rather than just the "Student Contribution Fee" or whatever they're calling it now) as you will have already done first year once.


  • #2667
    MtHanrahan
    Registered Users Posts: 17 ✭MtHanrahan


    Ok patchy, maybe you could have got the A1 in pass. Fair enough and good response.

    But I just want to make the point (to everyone not just you) that what you see in project maths is not creativity. In maths, creativity is doing something in a way that it would not normally be done or seeing something which is not obvious. Such creativity is found in competitions such as the maths Olympiad. one would be lucky to get 40% in any of these papers under exam conditions. Every year we send our best and brightest to get at most 6 or 7 points out of 42. And thats brilliant. Most come back with just 1. If creativity was in the leaving cert. then A1s would not be as common!


  • #2668
    MtHanrahan
    Registered Users Posts: 17 ✭MtHanrahan


    randylonghorn wrote: »
    SdoowSirhc wrote: »
    So if I missed by a few points on medicine and I got into a biology course could I then enter med?
    MtHanrahan wrote: »
    Best to go into first year biology, repeat the Hpat in that year and reapply for undergrad medicine for 2013.
    Bear in mind that if you do that, you will most likely be paying *full* fees for your first year in medicine (rather than just the "Student Contribution Fee" or whatever they're calling it now) as you will have already done first year once.

    Ya but you'll pay monster fees if you do 4 years of grad med.


  • #2669
    QueenOfLeon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,109 ✭✭✭QueenOfLeon


    barry_murphy wrote: »
    Hey guys,

    Now I've got 752 in hand and my first choice is RCSI. I am so worried if I fail to get a place. Would my results in college from last year affect my CAO application? I'm asking because I did really badly in the pharmacy course of RCSI.. Also, I wonder if not doing Irish be a concern since it is in the requirement. But I came to Ireland in 2009, so do I get an exception?

    Your college results will have no effect, you're applying on the basis of your LC & HPAT. I'd also assume that if you've already been offered a course (pharmacy last year) without Irish, then you're obviously exempt, so you'll be ok!

    As regards your maths result, don't just put the 25 points on at the end of your points. Add it to your maths result first, then add your top 6 subjects.
    Hermione Granger wrote: »
    Also does anyone know is it possible to repeat your Hpat without repeating your leaving and vice versa.

    Yes, you can repeat either. The HPAT result lasts for 2 years.
    SdoowSirhc wrote: »
    Is there a way of getting into medicine post grad after doing a B.Sc without a Hpat?

    If you get a 2.1 in a degree and sit the GAMSAT exam, you can apply for graduate entry medicine. It is a very competitive programme, and the GAMSAT is a very tough exam - most people take a few months to study for it. There is a forum specifically for GAMSAT and Graduate Entry Medicine on boards which has all the information you need.

    Bear in mind, you have to pay fees per year of a graduate programme, so it will work out much more expensive than the undergraduate programme.


  • #2670
    SdoowSirhc
    Registered Users Posts: 524 ✭✭✭SdoowSirhc


    MtHanrahan wrote: »
    Best to go into first year biology, repeat the Hpat in that year and reapply for undergrad medicine for 2013.
    I haven't done the leavng cert yet, I'm just being a shhhnake to see what's the story with doing medicine in the future :P


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  • #2671
    Darksider
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 111 ✭✭Darksider


    SdoowSirhc wrote: »
    So if I missed by a few points on medicine and I got into a biology course could I then enter med?

    you can repeat the hpat or try enter as a postgrad. for postgrad you need to be in the top of your class for the biology degree and then do the gamsat.


  • #2672
    Paralysis
    Registered Users Posts: 110 ✭✭Paralysis


    Hi, is it true that international applicants don't have to do the HPAT? Also that they get offers of really rather low grades? I was talking to someone who claimed that they had an 'offer' for Trinity, at the beginning of this year, with no HPAT and ONLY 3As at A-level, as they were an international applicant??


  • #2673
    Darksider
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 111 ✭✭Darksider


    Paralysis wrote: »
    Hi, is it true that international applicants don't have to do the HPAT? Also that they get offers of really rather low grades? I was talking to someone who claimed that they had an 'offer' for Trinity, at the beginning of this year, with no HPAT and ONLY 3As at A-level, as they were an international applicant??

    I'm pretty sure you have to do the HPAT if you're applying with A levels. They only count 4 subjects with A levels though and the points are scaled accordingly, eg. an A* (kind of like the A1 equivalent) is worth 125 points.


  • #2674
    finality
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,763 ✭✭✭finality


    Darksider wrote: »
    I'm pretty sure you have to do the HPAT if you're applying with A levels. They only count 4 subjects with A levels though and the points are scaled accordingly, eg. an A* (kind of like the A1 equivalent) is worth 125 points.

    An A* is worth 150 points.


  • #2675
    Paralysis
    Registered Users Posts: 110 ✭✭Paralysis


    Darksider wrote: »
    I'm pretty sure you have to do the HPAT if you're applying with A levels. They only count 4 subjects with A levels though and the points are scaled accordingly, eg. an A* (kind of like the A1 equivalent) is worth 125 points.

    Yes, but you can apply as an international applicant with A-levels, and if you're an international applicant you don't have to do the HPAT right?


  • #2676
    iluvgreenday246
    Registered Users Posts: 46 ✭iluvgreenday246


    558 adjusted lc points (590 initially) plus 181 in the hpat gives me 739 points... what are my chances of being offered medicine in nuig?


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  • #2677
    Paralysis
    Registered Users Posts: 110 ✭✭Paralysis


    iluvgreenday246 wrote: »
    558 adjusted lc points (590 initially) plus 181 in the hpat gives me 739 points... what are my chances of being offered medicine in nuig?

    I'd say you have a good chance :) i'm praying points don't go up by over 10!


  • #2678
    Mr.Fun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 164 ✭✭Mr.Fun


    best of luck everyone,hope everyone who really wants it gets it


  • #2679
    Darksider
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 111 ✭✭Darksider


    finality wrote: »
    Darksider wrote: »
    I'm pretty sure you have to do the HPAT if you're applying with A levels. They only count 4 subjects with A levels though and the points are scaled accordingly, eg. an A* (kind of like the A1 equivalent) is worth 125 points.

    An A* is worth 150 points.

    Ah that's right sorry, shoulda done my maths before posting lol


  • #2680
    johnnyboy18
    Registered Users Posts: 24 ✭johnnyboy18


    Do we get letters tomorrow or just online offers?


  • #2681
    Whatsernamex33
    Closed Accounts Posts: 843 ✭✭✭Whatsernamex33


    You get both letters and online offers tomorrow. :)


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  • #2682
    SnowPretzel
    Registered Users Posts: 69 ✭✭SnowPretzel


    johnnyboy18 wrote: »
    Do we get letters tomorrow or just online offers?

    Both I think.


  • #2683
    Paralysis
    Registered Users Posts: 110 ✭✭Paralysis


    Anyone care to offer some final predictions?


  • #2684
    Darksider
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 111 ✭✭Darksider


    Paralysis wrote: »
    Anyone care to offer some final predictions?

    I'll go ahead and throw some in for gambling's sake:

    NUIG: 739
    TCD: 748

    The other 3 will be in between those two.


  • #2685
    SnowPretzel
    Registered Users Posts: 69 ✭✭SnowPretzel


    Darksider wrote: »
    I'll go ahead and throw some in for gambling's sake:

    NUIG: 739
    TCD: 748

    The other 3 will be in between those two.

    I'm gonna go for
    NUIG- 737
    TCD- 747
    With the rest also being somewhere in between .


  • #2686
    johnnyboy18
    Registered Users Posts: 24 ✭johnnyboy18


    TCD: 748
    UCD:745
    UCC:744
    RC:743
    NUIG:741

    The survey carried out by partatmygaff has drastically changed my opinion. I think we're looking at approx. 10 rises across the board and we'll see the difference in points between tcd and nuig tightening.


  • #2687
    JamJamJamJam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,394 ✭✭✭JamJamJamJam


    I'll have a go, purely because I'd like to be able to say "I predicted it" :P

    NUIG 736
    RCSI 739
    UCC 740
    UCD 744
    TCD 749


  • #2688
    Paralysis
    Registered Users Posts: 110 ✭✭Paralysis


    JamJamJamJam wrote: »
    I'll have a go, purely because I'd like to be able to say "I predicted it" :P

    NUIG 736
    RCSI 739
    UCC 740
    UCD 744
    TCD 749

    For the first round? I'd imagine they'll be 3 or 4 higher... But will fall to around these... Throwing in my two cents :)


  • #2689
    QueenOfLeon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,109 ✭✭✭QueenOfLeon


    Best of luck tonight/tomorrow everyone!

    I'll throw in my 2 cents...736 Galway, 746 Trinity, everything else somewhere in between. I think they'll all be within 10 points or so of eachother. But its all just speculation...


  • #2690
    back to back
    Registered Users Posts: 53 ✭✭back to back


    tcd 749
    ucd 746
    ucc 743
    rcsi 739
    ucg 738


    2nd round offers

    tcd 748
    ucd 743
    ucc 742
    rcsi unchanged
    ucg unchanged

    slightley differant than my previous prediction, due to 170 less got A1 in hons maths this year!!!!


  • #2691
    QueenOfLeon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,109 ✭✭✭QueenOfLeon


    back to back wrote: »
    2nd round offers

    tcd 748
    ucd 743
    ucc 742
    rcsi unchanged
    ucg unchanged

    slightley differant than my previous prediction, due to 170 less got A1 in hons maths this year!!!!

    Its much more likely that the lower points colleges will offer second rounds, especially if the higher ones do. A lot of people living in the Dublin area, if offered NUIG/UCC originally, will accept the second round UCD/RCSI/TCD. Their NUIG/UCC place will then be offered to someone else.

    Last year Trinity did not have a second round, the rest did (as far as I can remember!)


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  • #2692
    seasonoflove
    Registered Users Posts: 10 ✭seasonoflove


    QueenOfLeon wrote: »

    Last year Trinity did not have a second round, the rest did (as far as I can remember!)


    Trinity was 741 first round last year and dropped to 739 last round with some people being accepted on 738 :)


  • #2693
    back to back
    Registered Users Posts: 53 ✭✭back to back


    QueenOfLeon wrote: »
    Its much more likely that the lower points colleges will offer second rounds, especially if the higher ones do. A lot of people living in the Dublin area, if offered NUIG/UCC originally, will accept the second round UCD/RCSI/TCD. Their NUIG/UCC place will then be offered to someone else.

    Last year Trinity did not have a second round, the rest did (as far as I can remember!)

    it is the higher points colleges that will drop on 2nd rounds.as seen on previous years as the drop is distributed to all the other colleges, as seen on previous years.


  • #2694
    QueenOfLeon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,109 ✭✭✭QueenOfLeon


    back to back wrote: »
    it is the higher points colleges that will drop on 2nd rounds.as seen on previous years as the drop is distributed to all the other colleges, as seen on previous years.

    The lower points colleges have dropped in the 2nd round the last 3 years, due to people across all colleges refusing the first offer.


  • #2695
    hollingr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 486 ✭✭hollingr


    I predict SERIOUS CELEBRATIONS if I get in as an undergraduate..

    My Bill for studying medicine if 737 is good enough will be €25,000+ less!

    go'on 737 jumbo jet landing in RCSI.. 2nd/3rd round if all goes well.


    If you are a few points short after 1st round offers, don't give up hope.

    Even though there will be serious points inflation in most courses I think everyone will be pleasantly surprised by how little med goes up by this year!


  • #2696
    Mad Shark
    Registered Users Posts: 53 ✭✭Mad Shark


    hollingr wrote: »
    I predict SERIOUS CELEBRATIONS if I get in as an undergraduate..

    My Bill for studying medicine if 737 is good enough will be €25,000+ less!

    go'on 737 jumbo jet landing in RCSI.. 2nd/3rd round if all goes well.


    If you are a few points short after 1st round offers, don't give up hope.

    Even though there will be serious points inflation in most courses I think everyone will be pleasantly surprised by how little med goes up by this year!


    I am hoping your predictions will becomes true as I will be so pleased but I predict a rise of between 8 and 12 points across the board... thats my gut feeling.... good luck everyone - be sure to post and tell us how you did!!


  • #2697
    Taco Chips
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 565 ✭✭✭Taco Chips


    Mad Shark wrote: »
    I am hoping your predictions will becomes true as I will be so pleased but I predict a rise of between 8 and 12 points across the board... thats my gut feeling.... good luck everyone - be sure to post and tell us how you did!!

    Just out of interest, what make you think 8 - 12? That seems a bit high. The jump was about 10 across the board last year and that was with the higher HPAT scores. I know that the bonus points and the higher amount of people in the 550+ range will increase the points but I don't think it will be by that much. Especially since HPAT scores have stagnated. Or maybe I'm just too optimistic...


  • #2698
    Mad Shark
    Registered Users Posts: 53 ✭✭Mad Shark


    johnnyboy18 wrote: »
    TCD: 748
    UCD:745
    UCC:744
    RC:743
    NUIG:741

    The survey carried out by partatmygaff has drastically changed my opinion. I think we're looking at approx. 10 rises across the board and we'll see the difference in points between tcd and nuig tightening.

    I do really hope its not this high but you could be right...!!


  • #2699
    Mad Shark
    Registered Users Posts: 53 ✭✭Mad Shark


    Taco Chips wrote: »
    Just out of interest, what make you think 8 - 12? That seems a bit high. The jump was about 10 across the board last year and that was with the higher HPAT scores. I know that the bonus points and the higher amount of people in the 550+ range will increase the points but I don't think it will be by that much. Especially since HPAT scores have stagnated. Or maybe I'm just too optimistic...


    I say closer to 8 than to 12 if i am honest ... but it will be more than 5 or 6 points because of the increased number within the LC 550+ range and increased foreign students this year...


  • #2700
    Darksider
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 111 ✭✭Darksider


    Taco Chips wrote: »
    Just out of interest, what make you think 8 - 12? That seems a bit high. The jump was about 10 across the board last year and that was with the higher HPAT scores. I know that the bonus points and the higher amount of people in the 550+ range will increase the points but I don't think it will be by that much. Especially since HPAT scores have stagnated. Or maybe I'm just too optimistic...

    Look at this survey, there seems to be serious points inflation going on this year.

    Though there does seem to be a correlation with higher points being more likely to be posted on the internet than lower points, which means it might not be a very representative sample.

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AjdswhIupxjadC05Z1ZFemR5SDZGT2M3Q29rZ1Z1QXc#gid=0


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  • #2701
    Taco Chips
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 565 ✭✭✭Taco Chips


    Mad Shark wrote: »
    I say closer to 8 than to 12 if i am honest ... but it will be more than 5 or 6 points because of the increased number within the LC 550+ range and increased foreign students this year...

    True. Fingers crossed it's closer to 8. 7 even? :P


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