FE1 Exam Thread (Mod Warning: NO ADS)

boomtown84 · 09-06-2011 2:47pm

skeenan89 wrote: »

i would also be eternally grateful for a tort exam grid...:D

yep...me too and property+const if at all possible.
back doing them after a year off...Aiyeeeeeee!

frustratedTC · 09-06-2011 11:58pm

Hey
when do most ppl start studying for the next sitting?

colonel1 · 10-06-2011 10:19am

frustratedTC wrote: »

Hey
when do most ppl start studying for the next sitting?

I attempted to start yesterday, but my eyes glazed over at the first page of the property manual:D Seriously though, some people have started already. I would say it depends on how many exams you will be sitting in October. Independent Colleges classes only started this week, so it is early days yet.

MoneyMilo · 10-06-2011 2:37pm

Hey, I'm a non-law graduate and have just started doing Contract, Property, Equity and Criminal in Independent Colleges. What are the best textbooks to complement the manuals??

Anyone else in the same boat?

colonel1 · 10-06-2011 4:46pm

MoneyMilo wrote: »

Hey, I'm a non-law graduate and have just started doing Contract, Property, Equity and Criminal in Independent Colleges. What are the best textbooks to complement the manuals??

Anyone else in the same boat?

Hey MoneyMilo, whatever about textbooks, I would strongly advise you to go to Ciaran Patton's equity classes. He is fantastic and his predictions are usually spot on. There is now an updated 5th edition of Delany's Key textbook on Equity. It isn't in the library yet as far as I know, but is available to buy in Hodges Figgis. The Dowling Equity nutshell hasn't been updated for ages, so you are better off sticking to Delany (but it is a huge book, so be warned!)

A good book to look at re criminal is Criminal Law in Ireland by Kilkommins et al, that is in the library @indo (I can't recall the exact title at this moment, but the criminal law section in the library is small and it is a huge white book, so you can't miss it). Hanly is a bit out of date now. Also Ni Choileain's criminal law nutshell has been updated (2nd edition) and Sarah Carew's nutshell is excellent and is focused on FE1 and Bar exam takers.

Fergus Ryan's contract law nutshell is a fantastic introduction to the subject. McDermott's tome on contract law is the Royals Royce of contract law books, but it hasn't been updated. Ann(e) Enright is excellent also. Mind you contract law doesn't seem to change much, so these books are good go tos if the manual isn't making sense.

Ruth Canon's property law nutshell hasn't been updated since before the 2009 Act, so best to ignore than one probably. Fiona de Londras is an accessible text book. After that there is Lyall and Wylie both of whom have updated their text books. Make sure you get the most up to date versions of these in the library because of the 2009 Act. I am doing property myself at indo and am bogged down with lecture 1;) That stuff about the double use was tough going and it would have helped if the teacher had represented this concept in a diagram or something (as she speaks rather quickly).

Good luck:D

Whatto · 10-06-2011 8:37pm

MoneyMilo wrote: »

Hey, I'm a non-law graduate and have just started doing Contract, Property, Equity and Criminal in Independent Colleges. What are the best textbooks to complement the manuals??

Anyone else in the same boat?

The Independent Colleges manuals are much better than Griffith. You only need to learn the material from the manuals - do not add to your workload, there is already enough information that you need to take notes on without adding to it. Given that you're a non-law graduate - if there are areas that you are unsure about, refer to the reading list which the Law Society have on their website for the FE1s. In preparing for the exams, check your exam timetable (normally released in advance) and see if you have any exams on consecutive days.

I found it helped me to take notes from the chapters of the independent colleges manual on each chapter. After that, read/learn those notes a few times (I often ended up with 25+ pages of notes on each chapter) and then take notes of your own notes and bring it down to approx 5 sheets of notes. By this time, your 5 pages of notes (or more) will have the main areas/topics and cases underneath the topic. That will help you to memorise the relevant cases for the relevant topic etc etc.

Sorry, that may seem convoluted. Different methods of learning/note-taking works for different people. Do what suits you best.

Time wise, spend approx one week taking notes on each subject (YOU SHOULD COVER ALL CHAPTERS - DO NOT GUESS WHAT IS COMING UP AND NEVER LEAVE ANYTHING OUT - IT IS NOT WORTH IT). After one week of note taking, it will take about 2-3 days to learn the notes.

I just came onto this quickly to have a look at what people are saying etc. I completed mine in April. Equity appeared to be marked hardest in the most recent sitting (I took company, equity, criminal and contract in this sitting). Apparently a lot of people failed it. I got 50% thinking that it would be my best result. I got 58% in company but I think that is only because everybody had me freaked out with previous failure rates. Don't listen to other people. If you have the material covered, you will pass the exam. People don't fail because the examiner was lousy etc, its simply because they didn't do what they were suppose to do - cover the entire course - the entire course is examinable.

I sat EU, Constitutional, Tort and Property in the October sitting. EU is nicely marked, the examiner is very fair - take note of everything that he says in the reports. Constitutional was my least favourite and I scraped that but it is definitely the most predictable paper and having studied the course and the previous exam papers you will be able to break it up into sections.

FE1s are not as bad as they are made out to be. Yes, there is alot of work involved but thats what they expect at this stage. You will pass once you have covered all the material.

Best of luck!!!

Whatto · 10-06-2011 8:49pm

MilkTheGroup wrote: »

Hi I was just wondering if many people here were working full-time and studying for the FE1s or has anyone done it successfully.?

I have 5 months to study for 4 exams (i have a good bit of groundwork done studywise already). However, there is a possibility of a full-time job for me in the coming weeks. Could I realistically do both?

For the October 2010 sitting, I worked full-time up until the Friday - my exams began on the Monday. I sat EU, Tort, Constitutional and Property. Its not about whether you work full-time or not, its whether you will put in the adequate time to get the material covered. I began note-taking around June. For about 6 weeks before the exams, I started study each Friday night until late Sunday evenings without doing anything else. That involved - Friday 20h00 until 01h00, Saturday 08h00 until late Saturday night and same with Sundays.

Make sure that you have the whole week off during exams, don't work in between (which happened to me on one day) as it is too stressful!

Whatto · 10-06-2011 8:53pm

JCJCJC wrote: »

Commiserations - but to be honest, I wouldn't. The appeal process seems to be the last-chance saloon. I appealed 45 in contract last spring - no change, got 67 in Autumn. A friend appealed a 49, forget which subject - no change. I am thinking this morning of maybe appealing my 45 in Constitutional, has anyone had any success with appeals in Constitutional so far?

JC

Only read this post now. I got 46% in Constitutional law and was brought up to 50% after appealing. Did you go ahead and appeal it? I heard of one story where somebody was brought up 13% in Constitutional law before!

frustratedTC · 14-06-2011 12:33am

No motivation to study, summer makes this tough lol!

JCJCJC · 14-06-2011 8:06pm

Whatto wrote: »

Only read this post now. I got 46% in Constitutional law and was brought up to 50% after appealing. Did you go ahead and appeal it? I heard of one story where somebody was brought up 13% in Constitutional law before!

No, I decided to drink my hundred and twenty-five quid, at least that guarantees a result if only a sore head. Congrats on your successful appeal, must be great to convert a fail into a pass.

I'm thinking of doing two only in the autumn - crim and const, again. I have four passed at this stage. That would leave me company and EU for spring 2012, if I get two in the autumn. This is taking longer than I would have liked but at least I am half-way there now.

This is my first look at boards for months, I've dug out the books and tidied up my desk, it all looks great - all I need is motivation to begin and rain to keep me inside.

JC

JCJCJC · 14-06-2011 10:24pm

http://www.bailii.org/ie/cases/IESC/2011/S19.html

Anybody wrestling with Equity might want to look at the above case, very recent and dealing with presumed resulting trusts. Much of the caselaw in the textbooks is either old, or non-Irish or both, so this will be an important statement of the law in Ireland since this stuff doesn't seem to get to the IESC too often.

JC

Thirdfox · 15-06-2011 12:31am

JCJCJC wrote: »

No, I decided to drink my hundred and twenty-five quid, at least that guarantees a result if only a sore head. Congrats on your successful appeal, must be great to convert a fail into a pass.

I'm thinking of doing two only in the autumn - crim and const, again. I have four passed at this stage. That would leave me company and EU for spring 2012, if I get two in the autumn. This is taking longer than I would have liked but at least I am half-way there now.

This is my first look at boards for months, I've dug out the books and tidied up my desk, it all looks great - all I need is motivation to begin and rain to keep me inside.

JC

I'd almost do Crim Comp and EU together... If someone is finding Constit hard (and who doesn't!) then you might want to devote your time wholly to that subject.

FE1 students get my sympathy...though not too much - my 8th day in as a trainee and it's already my second day in a row to work 8am to 12am...and weekends too... :pac:

CFOLEY85 · 15-06-2011 10:03pm

Thirdfox wrote: »

I'd almost do Crim Comp and EU together... If someone is finding Constit hard (and who doesn't!) then you might want to devote your time wholly to that subject.

FE1 students get my sympathy...though not too much - my 8th day in as a trainee and it's already my second day in a row to work 8am to 12am...and weekends too... :pac:

Thirdfox, where are ya doing your traineeship small/medium or large firm ? Im doing my traineeship at the mo and could not even imagine doing crazy hours like that!!

CluelessGirl · 15-06-2011 11:08pm

Hey!

I am currently out of work and i am considering doing the FE1's.

I have a BA in Law.

My question is.....that i am feeling a bit old (32) and I was wondering at this age would I find it hard to get an apprenticeship?

Also is it too late now to apply to sit the exams in Sept/Oct this year?

Thanks in advance.

Clueless!

Thirdfox · 16-06-2011 12:41am

CFOLEY85 wrote: »

Thirdfox, where are ya doing your traineeship small/medium or large firm ? Im doing my traineeship at the mo and could not even imagine doing crazy hours like that!!

To be honest it varies from department to department. I just happen to be in one that (occasionally) works till 12. But corporate departments have been known to work till 4am or 6.

This would all be in the large commercial/corporate law firms.

I recall the partner from another top tier firm saying to me "Oh you read the Economist? I loved that journal, haven't had a chance to read it in years..." - From what I've seen, she could have been entirely serious.

Work hard, party harder I guess. Who says solicitors are overpaid? We work 3x the hours

colonel1 · 16-06-2011 11:32am

JCJCJC wrote: »

http://www.bailii.org/ie/cases/IESC/2011/S19.html

Anybody wrestling with Equity might want to look at the above case, very recent and dealing with presumed resulting trusts. Much of the caselaw in the textbooks is either old, or non-Irish or both, so this will be an important statement of the law in Ireland since this stuff doesn't seem to get to the IESC too often.

JC

Don't forget that Delany has updated her Equity text book also, so that should be good:_) I am only going to do one exam now, property, though I had planed to do property and tort. I am just finding property really tough going tbh (I have never done it before). So, I would just prefer to focus on this and get it rather than do 2 subjects and risk flunking. Am half way through also, but am traineeship less, so I have time:D

colonel1 · 16-06-2011 11:42am

CluelessGirl wrote: »

Hey!

I am currently out of work and i am considering doing the FE1's.

I have a BA in Law.

My question is.....that i am feeling a bit old (32) and I was wondering at this age would I find it hard to get an apprenticeship?

Also is it too late now to apply to sit the exams in Sept/Oct this year?

Thanks in advance.

Clueless!

Hey Clueless, it isn't too late to apply to sit the exams in October (they are all in October this year, starting on the 4th - the timetable is up on the law society website). Are you planning to sit all 8? The grind schools have just started up (Griffith on May 31st and Independent 2 weeks ago), so not too late to catch up on lectures. There is a thread for buying older manuals on boards, which is handy as the courses are very expensive (395 Euro per subject). Good luck with your decision at any rate, and as for your age, well I am 39, so 32 too certainly isn't too old in comparison. I worry about age too, but I am half way through now, so will continue on and give it my all. It might be an idea to have your CV looked at by your careers advisor in college. I did that recently, and found it great. Plus they will have information about law firm open days and such (big commercial firms).

Finally, if you do decide to go ahead with the exams, get cracking on the study asap, as there is a lot to learn between now and the October exams. Make sure you read the examiners reports (available to purchase on the Law Society website) and look at past papers (also available to purchase on the Law Society website).

Hogzy · 16-06-2011 1:42pm

Just got an email from lawsociety.ie.

RECHECK RESULTS WILL BE RELEASED NEXT FRIDAY

JCJCJC · 16-06-2011 2:33pm

CluelessGirl wrote: »

Hey!

I am currently out of work and i am considering doing the FE1's.

I have a BA in Law.

My question is.....that i am feeling a bit old (32) and I was wondering at this age would I find it hard to get an apprenticeship?

Also is it too late now to apply to sit the exams in Sept/Oct this year?

Thanks in advance.

Clueless!

Welcome to the club. The greatest advantage of being a mature student is the horror of the alternative.

JC

frustratedTC · 16-06-2011 9:47pm

Hey, so been looking at property q's. I was reading the examiner reprt for Q5 Oct 2010, it's a problem q on finding, was wondering if someone could help me out as to why treasure trove is to be discussed since the gold broach is on the land?

Help would be greatly appreciated!

Chip Ralston · 16-06-2011 10:30pm

What are repeat results?

JCJCJC · 16-06-2011 11:29pm

Chip Ralston wrote: »

What are repeat results?

I'd guess Hogzy meant recheck results.

Hogzy · 17-06-2011 1:04pm

JCJCJC wrote: »

I'd guess Hogzy meant recheck results.

Thats exactly what i meant lol. Post edited

JCJCJC · 18-06-2011 8:13am

frustratedTC wrote: »

Hey, so been looking at property q's. I was reading the examiner reprt for Q5 Oct 2010, it's a problem q on finding, was wondering if someone could help me out as to why treasure trove is to be discussed since the gold broach is on the land?

Help would be greatly appreciated!

Trying to find that paper (which I passed) but can't, so I'll just go on memory. Treasure trove is an easy area of property law to study because there is a beginning and an end to it, and it might also serve you well in constitutional law because Webb's case had important constitutional aspects. It also arises in promissory estoppel in equity/contract so you get good value out of it.

Essentially the question gave you an opportunity to discuss the law and show off what you know, provided you structure your answer to dwell on the relevant parts primarily and apply the law.
Mention common law & crown prerogative - objects found on the surface v buried objects, Parker v BA, AG v Overton Farms etc. Mention cujus est solum and explain it. Differentiate 'treasure' from historical artefacts - gold and silver v wood, leather, bronze etc - Denning put a figure of 51% gold to qualify an object as treasure. Outline the mediaeval public policy objective - to swell the war chest of the crown.

Ireland - Webb's case. Outline the facts. Discuss how the court wrestled with the issue of whether crown prerogative survivied Saorstat Eireann and Bunreacht na hEireann 1937. Note the outcome. Mention the tangential importance of the case also in relation to estoppel and constitutional matters. Note that Wylie (maybe Lyall) said the SC hinted in the judgment to the Oireachtas that clarifying legislative reform was needed. The hint was taken, note the Act tha followed. No more gold/wood difference, all objects are now vested in the people, books, boats, clothing or valuable metals. Note the shift in the modern public policy objective to be acheived - preservation of national heritage. Note that a discretionary finder's reward scheme was authorised.

Apply the Act to the facts and you are pretty much done.

That's top-of-the-head stuff, read the relevant chapter in Lyall or Wylie and you'll get all the law. I find TT very straightforward law, easy to do, I did that question in the exam. When you know it, you know it - it doesn't go on forever, just get the 8 or 10 old classic cases into your memory, Elwes v Briggs, Peel v Amory, Bernstein v Skyview, Overton Farms, Bratty, etc, they are easy cases with fact patterns at a human level.

imtiptop · 20-06-2011 5:38pm

Hey,Just started studying constitutional law.

Does anyone know what topics question 7 & 8 from the last paper are on?

Any help would be great

wez99950 · 20-06-2011 5:47pm

Hey

Was just wondering would anyone be able to tell me what question topics came up (Q1 -, Q2 - etc)) in the last exam? I have the paper but am just starting the subject and have the fear that i've missed a topic, not recognised issues that were in the question and completely misread one of the problem questions!

Thanks!

Dal86 · 20-06-2011 8:55pm

wez99950 wrote: »

Hey

Was just wondering would anyone be able to tell me what question topics came up (Q1 -, Q2 - etc)) in the last exam? I have the paper but am just starting the subject and have the fear that i've missed a topic, not recognised issues that were in the question and completely misread one of the problem questions!

Thanks!

Hi this is what I think the topics that came up on the last paper were, apologies if I lead you astray.

Q1 - landlord and tenant law
Q2 - succession and making of a will
Q3 - succession and spouse's legal right share
Q4 - joint tenants and tenants in common
Q5 - adverse possession
Q6- treasure trove
Q7 - family property
Q8- easements

wez99950 · 20-06-2011 10:04pm

Dal86 wrote: »

Hi this is what I think the topics that came up on the last paper were, apologies if I lead you astray.

Q1 - landlord and tenant law
Q2 - succession and making of a will
Q3 - succession and spouse's legal right share
Q4 - joint tenants and tenants in common
Q5 - adverse possession
Q6- treasure trove
Q7 - family property
Q8- easements

Thank you! Much appreciated

t2340 · 21-06-2011 3:28pm

Hey ,

Just wondering if anybody is currently doing a prep course for the fe1 exams and can advise me whether to do the Griffith course or Indo college. I have a law degree already but think it might be good to do a course for structure, for the first four anyway. Can't decide which one to do and I am concious that both courses have already started. Any advice would really be appreciated:)

JCJCJC · 21-06-2011 4:32pm

imtiptop wrote: »

Hey,Just started studying constitutional law.

Does anyone know what topics question 7 & 8 from the last paper are on?

Any help would be great

Both were a bit daft - I hate questions on hypothetical legislation, there's enough real law out there without making up more. I'm not sure myself what Q7 was about, retrospective legislation was part of it, property rights, maybe equality too. To some extent, striking the balance between an individual's property rights and the public benefit comes into it too.
Q8 was a tiny bit clearer - retrospective legislation again by and large, except for the SUV part. Much the same arguments apply, but the SUV part might be ok if it is deemed to be a reasonable trespass on property rights when measured against the public policy objective sought to be acheived. Given that the economic woes of Ireland are beyond doubt, almost anything will pass as a reasonable measure to address them, provided the proposed legislation doesn't offend other settled principles of constitutional law such as retrospectivity. The doctrine of proportionality comes into play too, Heaney v Irl and the Illegal Immigrants Bill case, is the proposed restraint on rights proportionate to the exigencies of the common good etc.

JCJCJC · 21-06-2011 4:36pm

Bet that subject got your attention, eh? ;-)

Could I suggest to all regular posters here, friends, fellow-travellers and comrades all, that we all make more use of the 'subject' field? If we simply use the subject per se, ie Criminal, Constitutional, Tort or whatever, it would help us all to read only the posts that we need to read and skim past the subjects we're not currently engaged with.

Just a suggestion to keep this board as useful as possible to us all, my two cents etc.

JC

Chopper888 · 21-06-2011 10:59pm

Does anybody know a good website to read case summaries for EU Law?

imtiptop · 22-06-2011 3:47pm

imtiptop wrote: »

Hey,Just started studying constitutional law.

Does anyone know what topics question 7 & 8 from the last paper are on?

Any help would be great

Cheers JC

JCJCJC · 23-06-2011 10:43pm

Chopper888 wrote: »

Does anybody know a good website to read case summaries for EU Law?

Assuming you don't mean subscription databases like lexis-nexis, westlaw and firstlaw, try this one. EU law should be easy to find online because there are about 50,000 overpaid geeks working in the Berlaymont with bugger-all better to do except uploading waffle to break the hearts and minds of FE1 candidates in Ireland ;-)
I'm leaving EU until Spring 2012, in the hope that Greece, Portugal, Spain and Ireland will default on their debts and collapse the EU before Xmas, and the Law Society will recognise the error of their ways and replace EU with drink-driving law which will always be useful in practise in Ireland ;-)

pflann · 24-06-2011 4:12pm

Hi All,

Just wanted to share a good news story. I sat Company in March this year and got 36%. Couldn't believe it as felt confident coming out of the exam that I at least should have passed (passed all other 7 exams first time).

I decided to stick with my instinct and get it re-checked.......

The re-checks are out today and I passed...Can't believe it.

Moral of the story - stick with your gut and if you feel you should have passed, go for the re-check. Everyone I spoke to said that I'd never be brought up by that amount...

Blackhall here I come...!!

cotch · 25-06-2011 5:03pm

hey guys im sitting , my first 4 FE1s in october , tort , property , criminal contract . and while im studying like made at the moment Im feeling lost and every little bit of help i can get is much appreciated ... does anyone have any prepared answers and topics that they would be willing to email to me , would really appreciate it and would help me to se other peoples answer construction ...

many thanks

cotch18@hotmail.com

skeenan89 · 26-06-2011 3:38pm

Hi guys....
just wondering if anyone has a recent tort exam grid that they wouldnt mind sending me?? not doing a prep course this time round cause i couldnt afford it. just bought manuals for the two im sittin in october but have no exam grid!

would be eternally grateful!!!:D

just PM me if u wanna make my day:)

M.Myers · 26-06-2011 11:15pm

Hey everybody, Im new to this thread and looking for some advice!

I just finished up my law degree in May and had no intention of starting the FE1s until I had secured a TC, however, due to the boredom of unemployment I am considering taking my first four FE1s this Sept/October. The only thing is I leave for a 2 week holiday tomorrow morning so I wouldnt be able to start studying for the exams until mid July. I have the independent colleges books from summer 2009 and so will not be taking any prep courses. I am aware that this leaves me 6 weeks behind anyone taking the prep courses. Could anyone with experience offer me some advice on this? Would mid-july be too late to start studying and have a chance of passing? Like i said im unemployed so I would be dedicating my life to them from mid july forward!

Thanks!

XXXMaria777XXX · 27-06-2011 10:53pm

Hey guys, im new to this! Just finished my degree, thinking of doing three fe1s in october, im not sure what the three easiest would be!!if anyone has any advice id be very grateful!!

Thirdfox · 27-06-2011 11:16pm

XXXMaria777XXX wrote: »

Hey guys, im new to this! Just finished my degree, thinking of doing three fe1s in october, im not sure what the three easiest would be!!if anyone has any advice id be very grateful!!

Hey Maria - I probably wouldn't recommend doing all the easiest ones - EU and Constitutional would be two that I'd keep apart (just as they both absorb so much energy and effort).

Two very "easy" courses are Criminal and Property. Contract is another that people generally pass.

Tort can be marked surprisingly hard (for what I think is an "easy" subject).
Company can have very low pass rates (lowest was 30% I believe).
Equity is the other one that people think they do well in but many only scrape by (so relatively speaking the examiner is a "hard" marker).

On the other hand - if you're starting now and want to take it easy - criminal, property and contract are the easiest...though don't tie into one another that well.

And if you can stomach it - I passed all 8 from 3 months of study (intensive study in the last 3 weeks). It's hard work but it's "easier" to pass all 8 in one go than to do them separately in some ways i.e. you may be given that 50% where normally you would only get a 47%. You definitely still have time to start all 8...but you'd have no life for 3 months...your choice!

colonel1 · 28-06-2011 9:32am

Thirdfox wrote: »

Hey Maria - I probably wouldn't recommend doing all the easiest ones - EU and Constitutional would be two that I'd keep apart (just as they both absorb so much energy and effort).

Two very "easy" courses are Criminal and Property. Contract is another that people generally pass.

Tort can be marked surprisingly hard (for what I think is an "easy" subject).
Company can have very low pass rates (lowest was 30% I believe).
Equity is the other one that people think they do well in but many only scrape by (so relatively speaking the examiner is a "hard" marker).

On the other hand - if you're starting now and want to take it easy - criminal, property and contract are the easiest...though don't tie into one another that well.

And if you can stomach it - I passed all 8 from 3 months of study (intensive study in the last 3 weeks). It's hard work but it's "easier" to pass all 8 in one go than to do them separately in some ways i.e. you may be given that 50% where normally you would only get a 47%. You definitely still have time to start all 8...but you'd have no life for 3 months...your choice!

Hey Thirdfox,

congrats on getting all 8 in one go, that is a mighty acheivement:-) I am currently doing property at the moment, but was thinking of doing tort as well. I work FT, and won't have a lot of time off for the exams (5 days max). Is that a doable combination? I liked tort in college, but as you say it is marked rather hard.

NoQuarter · 28-06-2011 4:04pm

Hi guys, I checked with FS and he said it was ok to post this here:

Im currently studying for the Kings Inns and am working in the evenings part time. The exams are on August 15th so Im planning to give up work for all of august so I need to find a replacement for the month.

The reason I post here is that there is plenty of time to study in this job so its perfect for someone studying fe1s.

Requirements:

Be RELIABLE
Be RELIABLE
Live in or near Dublin City Centre
Have own car

Details:
The job is delivering for a restaurant in Dublin City center. You will be delivering to Dublin 2, 4, 6, 8, 1 and some other places. Nowhere too far.

Your days will be Monday, Tuesday, Thursday and every second Friday.

The hours are 5-10pm.

The pay is 25 euro flat rate per night and you get 2 or 2.50 for every delivery. The max deliveries ive ever done in 1 night is 8. So if you have a quiet night, you get less money but more study time. A busy night is more money but less study time!

Basically on a 3 day week you'll come out with about 100, the 4 day weeks about 130.

I know the money is pretty crap but if you are going to be sitting at home studying all night like I would have been, you might as well be sitting in here earning some money and studying!

So if anybody fancies covering me for the month just drop me a PM, then if I ever need any other days or the other guy does we could give you a shout again! Its very very handy work, you are left alone to study until there is a delivery!

Cheers!

boomtown84 · 28-06-2011 4:46pm

Hi, i'm looking for a tort,property and constitutional exam grid if anyone could pm me that would be great.
thanks.

Thirdfox · 28-06-2011 10:28pm

colonel1 wrote: »

Hey Thirdfox,

congrats on getting all 8 in one go, that is a mighty acheivement:-) I am currently doing property at the moment, but was thinking of doing tort as well. I work FT, and won't have a lot of time off for the exams (5 days max). Is that a doable combination? I liked tort in college, but as you say it is marked rather hard.

Thanks colonel, necessity does focus one's mind somewhat

.

Taking two exams is eminently doable, property - especially with the new examiner seems to be marked rather easily...but how long this lsts is anyone's guess. Plus you get the potential that she'll throw some complete curveballs out at students...and a surprising love for treasure trove...

Tort seems like one where you'll do well once you really do know all the topics. I suspect my difficulty with it lay in the fact that I tried to strategise too much (couldn't afford not to doing all 8) and got punished through lack of options. For example, strategising on company law I could answer 7 questions, having effectively prepared for half of the course (though brushing over the whole course beforehand).

So, if you have the time...even on weekends, tort and property is doable definitely. But everyone is different, so take everything I say with a pinch of salt (especially my observations of what I see as characteristics of the different examiners).

Good luck whatever you decide to do!

...and with the legal services bill coming in September the Fe1s will be changed, potentially drastically, as the Law Society (and Bar Council) will be stripped of its regulatory functions...

Change is a-coming to the legal industry... barristers and solicitors may be merged into the one profession eventually for example.

But that's neither here nor there...though one relevant factor is that the new regulator will be tasked with making it easier to enter the profession and breaking down barriers to entry. On the other hand, better the devil you know!

skeenan89 · 29-06-2011 3:24pm

boomtown84 wrote: »

Hi, i'm looking for a tort,property and constitutional exam grid if anyone could pm me that would be great.
thanks.

I can send you the property grid later on tonight when im home from work! if you manage to get your hands onto a property grid would you be an absolute gem and send it to me please??:D

trasla7 · 29-06-2011 5:41pm

new to this and wondering what people's opinions are on sitting 5 in first sitting (constitutional, company, equity, property and contract)?

i can pretty much start studying in mid july for them full time and will use independant college manuals. is 5 too hard a task to take on and would i be better advised to do 4 to try and guarantee that i can give my best effort for 4 in the time that I have (approx 2 and half months). I have a law degree and masters so im not coming at these subjects completely new. Any opinions would be great -- especially from those who have tried 5 in first sitting.

also i am in DESPERATE need of exam grid for constitutional. does anyone have one?

thanks

Thirdfox · 30-06-2011 12:17am

thirdfox wrote:

I don't believe I stated anywhere on the threads that I hadn't studied law before. And I would also believe that most people would impliedly assume that I must have studied law before.

But, if you do take the FE-1 exams - you will find that they are a different beast as compared to college exams.

So please read carefully before making assumptions one way or the other.

Kind regards,

Thirdfox

I've decided to respond to the issue on the thread as I believe that discussion should be out in the open rather than behind PMs. If anyone was under the impression that I had never studied law before then I apologise. While I still would think that it is possible to do all 8 fe-1s not having studied law, using just the manuals, in 3 months...it would be very difficult indeed.

I do not however accept that this is about ego at all. I have explained the practical benefits of doing all 8 at once (you can draw upon all 8's materials in the various exams and you get marked easier - especially helpful when tackling the tougher Constitutional and EU exams) and underlined that for 3 months you will have effectively no life other than study (I also mentioned giving myself two days holidays during the 3 months).

So I'm genuinely surprised by [the] PM - I don't think he is a troll but rather he is worried that people may see my posts and think that passing all 8 is easy or that I'm just trying to partake in an e-penis waving contest... neither of which is my intention.

So now that's all out in the open - I guess we just move on and get back to studying/working.

Final point - genuinely believed that the default situation was that the people here have previous legal studies experience. That was certainly what I encountered in the prep courses - 2 people I met were legal "virgins" while it seemed like the vast majority were in a similar situation to myself (graduated from a law school). So really didn't think it was necessary to "disclose" that I had 4 years of undergraduate studies in law.

Final final point - passing all 8 isn't easy - but it isn't impossible either with the right study plan (again, not e-penis waving). There are quite a few others who have gotten all 8 in one go. As for why I still post here - I'd like to think that I am helping others in some way as I know how tough the FE-1s can be.

How about we all take a deep breath and look at a pac man smilie? :pac:

colonel1 · 30-06-2011 10:28am

Thirdfox wrote: »

Thanks colonel, necessity does focus one's mind somewhat .

Taking two exams is eminently doable, property - especially with the new examiner seems to be marked rather easily...but how long this lsts is anyone's guess. Plus you get the potential that she'll throw some complete curveballs out at students...and a surprising love for treasure trove...

Tort seems like one where you'll do well once you really do know all the topics. I suspect my difficulty with it lay in the fact that I tried to strategise too much (couldn't afford not to doing all 8) and got punished through lack of options. For example, strategising on company law I could answer 7 questions, having effectively prepared for half of the course (though brushing over the whole course beforehand).

So, if you have the time...even on weekends, tort and property is doable definitely. But everyone is different, so take everything I say with a pinch of salt (especially my observations of what I see as characteristics of the different examiners).

Good luck whatever you decide to do!

...and with the legal services bill coming in September the Fe1s will be changed, potentially drastically, as the Law Society (and Bar Council) will be stripped of its regulatory functions...

Change is a-coming to the legal industry... barristers and solicitors may be merged into the one profession eventually for example.

But that's neither here nor there...though one relevant factor is that the new regulator will be tasked with making it easier to enter the profession and breaking down barriers to entry. On the other hand, better the devil you know!

Hey Thirdfox, thanks for getting back to me:D I finally decided to take on tort, so I am currently perusing the exam grid (yikes). Fair play on being able to strategise in company, especially as ye old examiner omitted borrowing on the last sitting, which was a bit of a pain tbh. But yes, it would be much easier to do really well, if one didn't have to go through every topic. Still, better to be safe than sorry;-)

As to the new regulations, it will be interesting to see how that pans out, though I can't see barristers and solicitors merging, at most we might follow the english examiner of the hybrid solicitor advocate (they get to wear wigs and everything lol). Hopefully they aren't going to add to the FE1 burden by piling on new subjects like family law etc. Getting the traineeship will be the toughest part of all, so am currently looking at my CV (double yuck) with that in mind!!!!

JCJCJC · 30-06-2011 12:03pm

XXXMaria777XXX wrote: »

Hey guys, im new to this! Just finished my degree, thinking of doing three fe1s in october, im not sure what the three easiest would be!!if anyone has any advice id be very grateful!!

Just remember you must sit four exams in your first sitting, and pass three at least to start compling scores. Read, understand and follow the info on the lawsoc website very carefully in relation to that. Opinion here has it that even if you are only sitting a token fourth, you MUST attend, sign on, and wait the minimum period.
If you've just finished your degree, you must know which are your best four FE1-relevant subjects, we all differ in what we find easy or difficult. Generally most of us here have found that the style and syllabus of the FE1s isn't the same as college exams. I was an A-student in college but I have since failed a few FE1s, that is common. Get some of the prep-school manuals, independent or GCD, to see the wider syllabus and to see the style and standard of their sample answers. My personal opinion is that GCD are the better ones.
If I had to advise you on choosing your four initial subjects, all things being equal, I would say Equity, Tort, Contract and Property, because Equity infuses all of them - you need to thoroughly understand the difference between equitable and common law remedies in tort and contract, for example, and similarly equitable estates and legal estates in property.

Constitutional and Criminal have a fair bit in common, eg use of illegally obtained / unlawfully obtained evidence, stopping trials due to pre-trial publicity, etc so group those two as well.

EU and company haven't much in common with any other subject, imho.

JC

JCJCJC · 30-06-2011 12:04pm

M.Myers wrote: »

Hey everybody, Im new to this thread and looking for some advice!

I just finished up my law degree in May and had no intention of starting the FE1s until I had secured a TC, however, due to the boredom of unemployment I am considering taking my first four FE1s this Sept/October. The only thing is I leave for a 2 week holiday tomorrow morning so I wouldnt be able to start studying for the exams until mid July. I have the independent colleges books from summer 2009 and so will not be taking any prep courses. I am aware that this leaves me 6 weeks behind anyone taking the prep courses. Could anyone with experience offer me some advice on this? Would mid-july be too late to start studying and have a chance of passing? Like i said im unemployed so I would be dedicating my life to them from mid july forward!

Thanks!

Unless you've forgotten everything you learnt in college you should be ok. Choose your first four wisely.

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