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Jailbreak Sky hd box

  • 15-06-2011 8:36pm
    #1
    bennyineire
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,489 ✭✭✭


    Hey Guys, I was thinking of getting rid of my Sky sub and I was wondering if it is possible to jailbreak the box so that I can continue to use the record function. (moderater I think this is legal as the box is legally mine, but if this is a problem for you then no worries you can delete the thread)


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  • #2
    Cantona's Collars
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,709 ✭✭✭✭Cantona's Collars


    bennyineire wrote: »
    Hey Guys, I was thinking of getting rid of my Sky sub and I was wondering if it is possible to jailbreak the box so that I can continue to use the record function. (moderater I think this is legal as the box is legally mine, but if this is a problem for you then no worries you can delete the thread)

    Not possible,if you want a box that records free channels get a Humax pvr or similar.Lots of threads here on what's the best.


  • #3
    PogMoThoin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,874 ✭✭✭✭PogMoThoin


    Its for the bin when you remove the Sky card. Will work for normal FTA but you'll not be able to re-arrange the channels. Should have bought a decent box in the first place


  • #4
    kelsca
    Registered Users Posts: 53 ✭✭kelsca


    Is this not possible so?:confused:
    http://cgi.ebay.ie/PACE-SKY-PLUS-FREESAT-PVR-RECORD-NO-SUBSCRIPTION-/190539267649?pt=UK_ConEle_SatCableFreeview_RL&hash=item2c5d067e41#ht_500wt_1156


  • #5
    charlemont
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,725 ✭✭✭charlemont


    PogMoThoin wrote: »
    Its for the bin when you remove the Sky card. Will work for normal FTA but you'll not be able to re-arrange the channels. Should have bought a decent box in the first place

    He can make a channel list in Favourites, Sure 50 spaces should be enough for freeview.


  • #6
    norbert64
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,192 ✭✭✭norbert64


    kelsca wrote: »
    Is this not possible so?:confused:
    http://cgi.ebay.ie/PACE-SKY-PLUS-FREESAT-PVR-RECORD-NO-SUBSCRIPTION-/190539267649?pt=UK_ConEle_SatCableFreeview_RL&hash=item2c5d067e41#ht_500wt_1156
    Technically speaking, I guess it kind of is
    see - > http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=63497158


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  • #7
    enfant terrible
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,592 ✭✭✭enfant terrible


    bennyineire wrote: »
    Hey Guys, I was thinking of getting rid of my Sky sub and I was wondering if it is possible to jailbreak the box so that I can continue to use the record function. (moderater I think this is legal as the box is legally mine, but if this is a problem for you then no worries you can delete the thread)

    Plug it out just before its cut off and leave it for three months.


  • #8
    timmydel1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 66 ✭✭timmydel1


    Hey Guys, I was thinking of getting rid of my Sky sub and I was wondering if it is possible to jailbreak the box so that I can continue to use the record function. (moderater I think this is legal as the box is legally mine, but if this is a problem for you then no worries you can delete the thread)

    Its amazing that with the sheer volume of s*y boxes out there that no-one has thought it worthwhile to try to write/load unofficial software (ie. Linux etc) onto them to add or unlock features such as recording etc.. Where is the Geohot for s*y boxes ???


  • #9
    kbell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,249 ✭✭✭kbell


    Why call them s*y??


  • #10
    timmydel1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 66 ✭✭timmydel1


    Ok , *ky. ;)


  • #11
    Zardoz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,878 ✭✭✭Zardoz


    timmydel1 wrote: »
    Its amazing that with the sheer volume of s*y boxes out there that no-one has thought it worthwhile to try to write/load unofficial software (ie. Linux etc) onto them to add or unlock features such as recording etc..
    There were some reports of people having Enigma 2 running on a Sky HD last year but nothing since.
    Seemingly the Dreambox 800 has the same chipset as the Sky HD receiver.


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  • #12
    watty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    Because NDS is really much better at security than Sony, Apple etc as they are consumer marketing companies and NDS is a dedicated Electronic Security company, with maybe the most secure card scheme in the world?


  • #13
    justsomebloke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,407 ✭✭✭✭justsomebloke


    watty wrote: »
    Because NDS is really much better at security than Sony, Apple etc as they are consumer marketing companies and NDS is a dedicated Electronic Security company, with maybe the most secure card scheme in the world?

    actually I thought this would of been the main reason for people to have tried to hack a sky box, basically just for the ability to say they were the people to have done it


  • #14
    Apogee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,802 ✭✭✭Apogee


    bennyineire wrote: »
    Hey Guys, I was thinking of getting rid of my Sky sub and I was wondering if it is possible to jailbreak the box so that I can continue to use the record function. (moderater I think this is legal as the box is legally mine, but if this is a problem for you then no worries you can delete the thread)

    you can hack the Pace 3100 model to enable recording.
    http://www.steves-homepage.co.uk/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?num=1210113159

    As mentioned, there is also a project underway to run Enigma 2 on Sky+ HD hardware.
    www.tektesters.com


  • #15
    watty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    Joe the Santa wrote: »
    actually I thought this would of been the main reason for people to have tried to hack a sky box, basically just for the ability to say they were the people to have done it

    How many have tried and got nowhere?


  • #16
    Zardoz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,878 ✭✭✭Zardoz


    watty wrote: »
    Because NDS is really much better at security than Sony, Apple etc as they are consumer marketing companies and NDS is a dedicated Electronic Security company, with maybe the most secure card scheme in the world?
    That and the fact that they have extremely shady and sinister people in charge of their Israeli base.


  • #17
    Dman001
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,534 ✭✭✭Dman001


    I've been using this method for the last year or so OP and works fine:

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=64023019


  • #18
    Mike 1972
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,018 ✭✭✭Mike 1972


    Joe the Santa wrote: »
    actually I thought this would of been the main reason for people to have tried to hack a sky box, basically just for the ability to say they were the people to have done it

    TBH Id imagine if anyone ever does/already has hacked their $ky box theyd keep pretty quiet about it if theyve any sense at all.

    Obligatory Disclaimer: hacking your $ky box is baaddd mmmkaaayyyyy


  • #19
    Cantona's Collars
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,709 ✭✭✭✭Cantona's Collars


    Mike 1972 wrote: »
    TBH Id imagine if anyone ever does/already has hacked their Sky box theyd keep pretty quiet about it if theyve any sense at all.

    Obligatory Disclaimer: hacking your Sky box is baaddd mmmkaaayyyyy

    This pretty much covers hacking Skyboxes. http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1990/en/act/pub/0024/sec0009.html#zza24y1990s9

    It's illegal folks,the op is discussing accessing services that have to be paid for as they want to use the box to record after cancelling their Sky sub.

    The pull out your valid card trick to record 'other channels' is ok as you are still paying a subscription,however hacking the equipment to circumvent a subscription service is illegal.


  • #20
    enfant terrible
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,592 ✭✭✭enfant terrible


    Zardoz wrote: »
    That and the fact that they have extremely shady and sinister people in charge of their Israeli base.

    What are you on about?


  • #21
    watty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    It's not illegal Zerks to hack it to receive or record FTA TV. It's not a rental box. The owners own it.

    It's only illegal to hack it to circumvent subscription on payTV. The Recording subscription for FTA is likely suspect as it's essentially renting you HW you already bought and would not be covered unless it was a rented box.

    There are plenty of non-sky boxes and every PC card that record FTA TV legally without subscription. To call recording of FTA TV on Satellite a service that has to be paid for on a box you own is sharp practice and I'd love to see Sky lose that in Court.

    It would be illegal to hack a UPC box to record unencrypted Cable TV as there is NO free cable and UPC own the cable box forever.


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  • #22
    Carter P Fly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 618 ✭✭✭Carter P Fly


    Agreed 100% Theres tons of sky boxes out there doing nothing that the owner actually owns and if there was a way to recycle these as FTA DVR's then that would be great and save a lot of people a good deal of cash.

    I'd actually consider the card flip trick to be more dodgy then jailbreaking a Sky box to use as a FTA PVR.

    BUT, Sky own the intelectual rights to the software so hacking it is illegal. You can own the hardware but not the software.


  • #23
    watty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    Putting your own software is not illegal
    making changes to the sw installed is not either as long as you are not distributing the SW and it doesn't enable any bypass of PayTV subscription. The issue with mods to Xbox, PS3, Nintendo etc is that all of those are to run pirated copies of commercial products.

    There are legitimate "hacks" to many TVs, DVD, Set-boxes that are nothing to do with payTV.


    There is nothing dodgy about "card trick". When you do that it's only able to receive FTA content.


  • #24
    The Dark Knight
    Registered Users Posts: 340 ✭✭The Dark Knight



    Does anybody know why Sky haven't been brought to court on this?

    I see this situation similar to mobile phone unlocking.
    Mobile phone companies now have to give you an unlock code for you phone once you are out of contract.
    You own the hardware and you should be allowed to use it in any Legal way.
    In this case.....using a sim from another Mobile Phone network.
    In the sky box case.... recording channels that are FTA.


  • #25
    Zardoz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,878 ✭✭✭Zardoz


    enfant terrible wrote: »
    What are you on about?
    Google some of the people NDS have working in their anti piracy dept in Israel and you will get your answer.
    Does anybody know why Sky haven't been brought to court on this?
    Uncle Rupert and his connections


  • #26
    watty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    Or even being able to use more than 27500 and 22000 SR in other channels.
    Being able to enter DVB-S2 parameters on Sky HD boxes.

    They only have "other channels" at all as a nod to Premiere in Germany losing a court case over only allowing PayTV EPG channels of Premiere on the box.


  • #27
    timmydel1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 66 ✭✭timmydel1


    Because NDS is really much better at security than Sony, Apple etc as they are consumer marketing companies and NDS is a dedicated Electronic Security company, with maybe the most secure card scheme in the world?

    Hi Watty, you probably realised ,as I see in your later posts that I did not mean hacking the box to receive pay tv channels, but mainly putting other software on it to enable recording again.
    This would be ideal as no manufacturer seems to have achieved the simplicity of operation of the sky box pause,record,rewind features (or am I wrong ? ) I know for a fact that my parents would dump sky in the morning if their box continued to have these still working for fta channels.


  • #28
    Kristopherus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,907 ✭✭✭✭Kristopherus


    timmydel1 wrote: »
    Hi Watty, you probably realised ,as I see in your later posts that I did not mean hacking the box to receive pay tv channels, but mainly putting other software on it to enable recording again.
    This would be ideal as no manufacturer seems to have achieved the simplicity of operation of the sky box pause,record,rewind features (or am I wrong ? ) I know for a fact that my parents would dump sky in the morning if their box continued to have these still working for fta channels.

    Then maybe they might be interested in this: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056284276


  • #29
    watty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    Kristopherus wrote: »
    Then maybe they might be interested in this: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056284276

    No, that's generic for satellite. To have Sky like simplicity on Satellite you need a Freesat HD PVR,


  • #30
    bennyineire
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,489 ✭✭✭bennyineire


    C'mon guys surly there is a way around this


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  • #31
    watty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    Buy a Freesat HD PVR.

    Once off purchase.
    Works well.
    No messing.


  • #32
    enfant terrible
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,592 ✭✭✭enfant terrible


    watty wrote: »
    Buy a Freesat HD PVR.

    Once off purchase.
    Works well.
    No messing.

    What's the cheapest you can them for?


  • #33
    AstralTV
    Closed Accounts Posts: 176 ✭✭AstralTV


    enfant terrible wrote: »
    What's the cheapest you can them for?

    http://www.humaxdirect.co.uk/product.asp?ProdRef=10076&cat=Factory


  • #34
    enfant terrible
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,592 ✭✭✭enfant terrible


    AstralTV wrote: »
    http://www.humaxdirect.co.uk/product.asp?ProdRef=10076&cat=Factory

    Are there models that can do freesat HD and saorview and be a pvr?


  • #35
    AstralTV
    Closed Accounts Posts: 176 ✭✭AstralTV


    enfant terrible wrote: »
    Are there models that can do freesat HD and saorview and be a pvr?

    no. there are no 'freesat' branded combi boxes,

    nor are there any 'saorview' approved combi boxes.

    however there is a range of 'free to air satellite' & DTT combi boxes witch are pretty useless as a PVR as the free to air satellite side of the box does not have an EPG making series link etc impossible.


  • #36
    Widescreen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,101 ✭✭✭Widescreen


    AstralTV wrote: »
    http://www.humaxdirect.co.uk/product.asp?ProdRef=10076&cat=Factory

    This seems like it only accepts orders from the UK? Anyone advise where else to get one, thanks


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  • #37
    John mac
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,130 ✭✭✭John mac


    amazon, richersounds,


  • #38
    Sir Oxman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,492 ✭✭✭Sir Oxman


    AstralTV wrote: »
    no. there are no 'freesat' branded combi boxes,

    nor are there any 'saorview' approved combi boxes.

    however there is a range of 'free to air satellite' & DTT combi boxes witch are pretty useless as a PVR as the free to air satellite side of the box does not have an EPG making series link etc impossible.


    My vu+duo does the job with no bother at all.


  • #39
    AstralTV
    Closed Accounts Posts: 176 ✭✭AstralTV


    gambiaman wrote: »
    My vu+duo does the job with no bother at all.

    vu+duo is not a combo box nor is it 'freesat' branded,
    its a twin tuner linux based satellite receiver, that requires a usb dvb-t dongle (not 'saorview' approved) to receive DTT,

    An internal SATA HD has to be fited to record, and the EPG requires extra software and an internet connection, 'no bother at all'


  • #40
    irishchris
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,233 ✭✭✭irishchris


    Yes vu+ duo all the way here. Simply pop dtt usb tuner in the back and plug aerial in. Also 2 sat tuners so can watch one freesat and record another and dtt at same time. Hdd is plug and play. Either simply external usb or SATA internal which has a dock designed inside for it to make it foolproof ;) epg requires neither extra software or internet connection as uses a sat channel to recieve all freesat and sky 7 day guide and recieves saorview 7 day listings over-the-air via eit.
    Not official box for saorview in title only as there is no official combi unit that combines twin tuners freesat and dtt in one box. (officially :) )


  • #41
    The Dark Knight
    Registered Users Posts: 340 ✭✭The Dark Knight


    irishchris wrote: »
    Yes vu+ duo all the way here. Simply pop dtt usb tuner in the back and plug aerial in. Also 2 sat tuners so can watch one freesat and record another and dtt at same time. Hdd is plug and play. Either simply external usb or SATA internal which has a dock designed inside for it to make it foolproof ;) epg requires neither extra software or internet connection as uses a sat channel to recieve all freesat and sky 7 day guide and recieves saorview 7 day listings over-the-air via eit.
    Not official box for saorview in title only as there is no official combi unit that combines twin tuners freesat and dtt in one box. (officially :) )

    Sounds good!!!!!
    Can you series link?, and what's your estimate on the cost of your compleate setup above?
    Thanks!!!!


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  • #42
    AstralTV
    Closed Accounts Posts: 176 ✭✭AstralTV


    irishchris wrote: »
    Yes vu+ duo all the way here. Simply pop dtt usb tuner in the back and plug aerial in. Also 2 sat tuners so can watch one freesat and record another and dtt at same time. Hdd is plug and play. Either simply external usb or SATA internal which has a dock designed inside for it to make it foolproof ;) epg requires neither extra software or internet connection as uses a sat channel to recieve all freesat and sky 7 day guide and recieves saorview 7 day listings over-the-air via eit.
    Not official box for saorview in title only as there is no official combi unit that combines twin tuners freesat and dtt in one box. (officially :) )

    please can people stop using the term ' Freesat' to describe free to air channels, there is enough confusion as is,

    Freesat is a brand name and a platform for free to air channels, as sky is a platform for encrypted and free to air channels.


  • #43
    Sir Oxman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,492 ✭✭✭Sir Oxman


    AstralTV wrote: »
    vu+duo is not a combo box nor is it 'freesat' branded,
    its a twin tuner linux based satellite receiver, that requires a usb dvb-t dongle (not 'saorview' approved) to receive DTT,

    An internal SATA HD has to be fited to record, and the EPG requires extra software and an internet connection, 'no bother at all'

    I was replying to your wrong assumption that every other non-Freesat branded box is uselessas a PVR solution for FTA telly. That is untrue. Irishchris has explained away the barricades you're building for some reason!


  • #44
    irishchris
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,233 ✭✭✭irishchris


    The Dark Knight wrote: »
    Sounds good!!!!!
    Can you series link?, and what's your estimate on the cost of your compleate setup above?
    Thanks!!!!

    yes there is a plugin {program} called autotimer which looks through the epg for the name of the program {eg late late show} and finds all other program every week with that name at a specified time {eg between 8pm-11pm} and automatically records them.

    vu+ 385 euro
    dtt tuner 25 - 35 euro
    delivery 15 euro

    all in all about 435 for the whole system


  • #45
    The Dark Knight
    Registered Users Posts: 340 ✭✭The Dark Knight


    irishchris wrote: »
    yes there is a plugin {program} called autotimer which looks through the epg for the name of the program {eg late late show} and finds all other program every week with that name at a specified time {eg between 8pm-11pm} and automatically records them.

    vu+ 385 euro
    dtt tuner 25 - 35 euro
    delivery 15 euro

    all in all about 435 for the whole system

    Sounds perfect...... Thanks a million!!


  • #46
    MrSneeg
    Closed Accounts Posts: 104 ✭✭MrSneeg


    irishchris wrote: »
    yes there is a plugin {program} called autotimer which looks through the epg for the name of the program {eg late late show} and finds all other program every week with that name at a specified time {eg between 8pm-11pm} and automatically records them.

    vu+ 385 euro
    dtt tuner 25 - 35 euro
    delivery 15 euro

    all in all about 435 for the whole system

    sound,
    sky tv salesman told me I can have a HD Box installed for 30 euro,
    then 15 euro p/m for HD channnels on top

    which is best, and does the vu+ give me sky 1,+sports, RTE sortview, discovery, etc

    thanks in advance


  • #47
    irishchris
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,233 ✭✭✭irishchris


    MrSneeg wrote: »
    sound,
    sky tv salesman told me I can have a HD Box installed for 30 euro,
    then 15 euro p/m for HD channnels on top

    which is best, and does the vu+ give me sky 1,+sports, RTE sortview, discovery, etc

    thanks in advance

    you will get all the fta channels eg bbc one hd, itv hd, channel 4 hd, bbc hd, channel 5 etc and all the saorview channels eg rte 2 hd. if you wish to ohave sky sports or sky 1 then you will have to subscribe to sky and the vu+ will work with your subscription.


  • #48
    watty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    irishchris wrote: »
    you will get all the fta channels eg bbc one hd, itv hd, channel 4 hd, bbc hd, channel 5 etc and all the saorview channels eg rte 2 hd. if you wish to ohave sky sports or sky 1 then you will have to subscribe to sky and the vu+ will work with your subscription.

    You can't guarantee that ANYTHING other than a Sky box will work with Sky card tomorrow. If you get a Sky Sub make sure you get a Sky HD box too.

    Also the vu+ doesn't do the Interactive BBC sport etc properly, you have to manually scan and select the hidden streams. It doesn't do MHEG5.

    A lot of money for something only partially compatible with Satellite and Terrestrial. It's really for Continental market.


  • #49
    Access
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,359 ✭✭✭Access


    irishchris wrote: »
    yes there is a plugin {program} called autotimer which looks through the epg for the name of the program {eg late late show} and finds all other program every week with that name at a specified time {eg between 8pm-11pm} and automatically records them.

    vu+ 385 euro
    dtt tuner 25 - 35 euro
    delivery 15 euro

    all in all about 435 for the whole system

    Do you have a linky for that... as the irish sat site i found it on is quoting 459 for the box alone. (pm if you dont want to mention here.) Thanks irishchris.


  • #50
    irishchris
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,233 ✭✭✭irishchris


    Access wrote: »
    Do you have a linky for that... as the irish sat site i found it on is quoting 459 for the box alone. (pm if you dont want to mention here.) Thanks irishchris.

    no probs mate its: http://www.world-of-satellite.co.uk/VU/Vu-DUO-Twin-Tuner-HD-PVR-DVB-S2-Satellite-Receiver
    also they are doing free euro delivery at the moment so scrap what i said about 15 euro delivery in post ;)
    watty wrote: »
    You can't guarantee that ANYTHING other than a Sky box will work with Sky card tomorrow. If you get a Sky Sub make sure you get a Sky HD box too.
    sky card has worked in dreambox {and now vu+ and others} for last 1o+ years so think will be safe for while lol

    Also the vu+ doesn't do the Interactive BBC sport etc properly, you have to manually scan and select the hidden streams.
    all bbc interacive channels and all sky sports interactive channel { ie if you pressed red button on a sky standard box} are available. they are listed as sepparate channels {eg sky sports interactive 1-10 etc} aand are available as a channel list to download direct onto the box off the image servers by simply pressing long blue button. not hard and only has tro be done once then is saved to your box. ;) even watty could do it - its childs play lol

    It doesn't do MHEG5.
    no it does not as most boxes dont. in terms of freesat/sky mheg 5 does not affect the vu+ in any way as described above.
    also for dtt channels at mo there is no mheg 5 other than aertel which you can still use the vu+ for now with original aertel but not once rte change that. suppoosedly other mheg 5 planned for dtt - possibly another mheg5 epg along with the one which is broadcast on eit at the moment and picked up by the vu+. also there is another way with the vu+ thanks to rytec where you can download 7 day guide for dtt channels if the need is ever there should rte change something in this regard :)

    A lot of money for something only partially compatible with Satellite and Terrestrial. It's really for Continental market.

    lol consider ireland continental now so - although looking at weather today i dont know about that


  • #51
    The Dark Knight
    Registered Users Posts: 340 ✭✭The Dark Knight


    I have to say I though watty was being a little unfair with his unbalanced comments.
    I think there is a market out there for this box.... It's not perfect but it's 90% there. It may be a bit too techie for some people, but you have to weigh up payback time, benefits, drawback, other options, etc. while making your choice.


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