Airsoft to be discussed on Newstalk 106-108 on Wed 10pm-12midnight -- EMAIL THEM!!!

o1s1n · 01-03-2007 12:13am

DaveMcG wrote:

Here, you can download it here
http://www.sharebigfile.com/file/96372/FM-2007-02-28-22h39m55s-wav.html

The quality is bad in places, dunno why.

Thanks Dave. Was off discussing the IAA with a couple of the lads. Didn't think it'd be on so early. Thank god someone had the mind to record it

Miscreant · 01-03-2007 12:18am

Just downloaded it now. Might be able to convert it to MP3 for anyone who would like to have a copy.

Hivemind187 · 01-03-2007 12:18am

I realise this might make me sound a bit thick but how do you down load it?

o1s1n · 01-03-2007 12:19am

Hivemind187 wrote:

I realise this might make me sound a bit thick but how do you down load it?

Just click the link, go to the site, wait the 25 seconds and press "download now"

Fiach Dubh · 01-03-2007 12:21am

Type in the 3 digits at the bottom of the page and hit enter.

Spitfire666 · 01-03-2007 12:22am

o1s1n wrote:

Thanks Dave. Was off discussing the IAA with a couple of the lads. Didn't think it'd be on so early. Thank god someone had the mind to record it

Would have came over to you for that only im in work at 6am.

o1s1n · 01-03-2007 12:22am

This is so one sided. Who are these idiots on the panel?!

"These games they play, Doom, Horrible games.."

What the hell? Get some people on who are a little more in touch with modern times.

Hivemind187 · 01-03-2007 12:24am

got it thanks

Fiach Dubh · 01-03-2007 12:28am

o1s1n wrote:

This is so one sided. Who are these idiots on the panel?!

"These games they play, Doom, Horrible games.."

What the hell? Get some people on who are a little more in touch with modern times.

That line annoyed me too. "you crazy kids with your disco dancing and your pacman video games" get in step with the time please :rolleyes:

Spitfire666 · 01-03-2007 12:31am

I didnt hear that, if i did i wouldnt have been able to move of the floor after it as i'd still be pissing myself laughing

NakedDex · 01-03-2007 12:35am

The whole discussion was a farce. Positive media attention to correct it has now become a neccessity. Be it radio, tv, papers or internet

Fiach Dubh · 01-03-2007 12:36am

It's actually a line from the film Dodgeball, pretty much sums up the attitude though

Dave! · 01-03-2007 12:37am

Yeah it's shocking that those clowns on the panel are forming such strong opinions WITHOUT HAVING EVEN SEEN THE GUNS!!! I think Deco represented our point of view reasonably well, so I was happy with that.

I think we can all agree that the guns shouldn't be sold openly and without regulation, and I think that that's the major concern that parents etc have (although some are just closed-minded to the notion of such a sport existing at all). That should probably be a key area for us to concentrate on once we get this up and running properly.

o1s1n · 01-03-2007 12:38am

With all this Doom playing combined with Airsoft, I must be one twisted individual.

Spitfire666 · 01-03-2007 12:39am

I invited him to a meet anyway and he said he'd look into it so heres hoping.

o1s1n · 01-03-2007 12:41am

DaveMcG wrote:

Yeah it's shocking that those clowns on the panel are forming such strong opinions WITHOUT HAVING EVEN SEEN THE GUNS!!! I think Deco represented our point of view reasonably well, so I was happy with that.

I think we can all agree that the guns shouldn't be sold openly and without regulation, and I think that that's the major concern that parents etc have (although some are just closed-minded to the notion of such a sport existing at all). That should probably be a key area for us to concentrate on once we get this up and running properly.

It just comes down to the usual "protect the children" argument. Look what happened in the 80's with VHS films and "video nasties".

You'll always have idiots who don't know what they're talking about but are convinced they know best.

This notion of keeping such things away from children is why I wanted to see some sort of age limit involved. I wouldn't want some media monkey twisting it to look like we were training the youth to be terrorists or some other such idiocy.

Fiach Dubh · 01-03-2007 12:41am

o1s1n wrote:

With all this Doom playing combined with Airsoft, I must be one twisted individual.

I just hope nobdy makes an Airsoft chainsaw or knuckle duster

NakedDex · 01-03-2007 12:45am

If a combination of airsoft and doom drives you twisted then I'm beyond saving at this point. Between all the hours I put up on rainbow 6 and my obvious lack of morals, it seems as though I'm gonna become some kind of monster.

These people need a reality check

Fiach Dubh · 01-03-2007 12:47am

Well if games are the cause then I've had it. Company of Heroes, Call of Duty 2, Armoured Assault, I play those regularly :eek:

Spitfire666 · 01-03-2007 12:49am

i'm up at 6 so im gonna say goodnite. i'll be on tomorrow some time when i'm less pissed off. with any luck deco will email me back about coming to a game.

Will sombody go onto ASI and get the phone number for one of the predator lads (michael/donal) and pm it to me so i can book some rentals for sunday. i cant get onto the site for some reason.

CiaranC · 01-03-2007 12:51am

That item was so retarded I shot the radio with my Beretta.

MaxForce · 01-03-2007 12:56am

Spitfire666 wrote:

i'm up at 6 so im gonna say goodnite. i'll be on tomorrow some time when i'm less pissed off. with any luck deco will email me back about coming to a game.

Will sombody go onto ASI and get the phone number for one of the predator lads (michael/donal) and pm it to me so i can book some rentals for sunday. i cant get onto the site for some reason.

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Site seems to be dowb at the moment. I cant get on it either.

Voodoomelon · 01-03-2007 1:07am

Hee hee, he closed with my comment about the 4 year old getting the mobile registered. Ridiculus!

As for airsoft, I wish he read out more of our emails and texts at the end.

NakedDex · 01-03-2007 1:09am

Bandwith problem by the looks of things

kdouglas · 01-03-2007 2:10am

how many times did they say "i haven't actually seen these guns"... lol

a very biased opinion there, but to be fair to them they were mainly talking about kids getting their hands on what sound like cheap springers, how many kids would be able to afford a 2-300 euro aeg?

the comment made about "they're completely illegal" was in relation to fireworks i think, again, why fireworks even came up in this is just ridiculous and is someone who is completely uninformed trying to scaremonger by making comparison's between fireworks which have caused many a child to end up in hospital and "bb" guns

davemcg: thanks for recording it, tried to setup my pc to rip the internet stream while i was out, but the stream kept dying

CrazyRabbit · 01-03-2007 9:15am

kdouglas wrote:

CrazyRabbit: care to post a copy of what you sent?

Didn't keep a copy. I was in a hurry and forgot. I just mentioned that it is a sport that is open to everyone regardless of age, race, sex, social background, weight or fitness. Mentioned the whole cross-border friendship building part as well. Pointed out a few of the misconceptions about airsoft.

etc.

Hardly a stunning piece of writing, but I think I got some good points across.

Ample Free ...? · 01-03-2007 1:12pm

About the good publicity, i thought it'd be a good idea to try and get the Carlow Nationalist to retract the story or correct the mistakes. If they did it'd be a kick in the teeth for anyone against airsoft or bb guns in general.
i drafted an email but i figured i'd show it to you lot before i sent it any thoughts?

Dear Mr Coffey

My name is . I am writing to you with regard to the article titled
"Potentially lethal weapons openly on sale in Carlow " which was published on Wednesday, February 28, 2007.
I am primarily concerned about the following lines:

Bebe guns or Air Sport guns are illegal in Ireland

“These items are definitely illegal under the firearms and offensive weapons act. You need a licence to have them,” said a garda spokesperson.

The weapons, which are realistic replicas of firearms, can cause horrific or potentially fatal injures if used incorrectly.

The reason for my concern is the legitimacy of these statements. These BB guns assuming they have a muzzle velocity of 1 joule or less have been completely legal to own and transport since August 1st 2006. I understand that in normal circumstances there is no reson to doubt the word of a member of the Gardai, however this is not the first occurance of such a mistake on the part of the Gardai. Specifically an individual who had called the Gardai on a seperate matter was put in handcuffs and taken to the local Garda station for being in posession of a so called replica firearm. Subsequently upon discovering that this BB gun was not illegal he was released along with various apologies and brought home.
In relation to the potential hazards and dangers to using these BB guns they are no more dangerous than a hurl. Obviously there is the potential to abuse them, like there is the potential to abuse any other sports equipment, and use them for illegitimate reasons. As such I believe they should not be sold unregulated to anyone who just walks into a shop. This is a concern to many people who are involved in the sport of airsoft.

However the point of my email is that these errors in the article only serve to radicalize opinions on a legimate sport and create unnecessary oposition to its existance.
Obviously you have no good reason to believe me over a member of the Gardai, I only hope that following some closer inspection of the law and the capabilites of the BB guns that a these mistakes are corrected and a retraction on the part of the paper is made as soon as possible.

Yours Sincerly

Harekin · 01-03-2007 1:52pm

Im just say this once, and once only. They are Airsoft guns. Not "bb guns" or "pellet guns". Call them what they are as this differenciates them from Airguns, etc. AIRSOFT GUNS!!

N.O.I.P. · 01-03-2007 2:05pm

Thats a nice piece of work, you could also question them about thier discission to include the lines about the shop selling bongs, and ask them was this an attempt to suggest that there is a link between buying airsoft toys and smoking dope. If so (more then likely it wasn't but this could add weight to your arguement) then it is a liableous comment and the author and editor of the magazine could find themselves in court being sued for defamation of character.

I think the more lines of the article you can point to as being ill-informed predjudiced or downright offensive the better. That said we would probably generate more bad press by forcing the CN to print a retraction then we would if we just let the article die. I can't imagine anyone reading that rag

N.O.I.P. · 01-03-2007 2:14pm

Harekin wrote:

Im just say this once, and once only. They are Airsoft guns. Not "bb guns" or "pellet guns". Call them what they are as this differenciates them from Airguns, etc. AIRSOFT GUNS!!

Calm down man take deep breaths, you and I might call them airsoft guns but plenty of others call them softair guns (google it and see how many hits you get) and while I do agree that they are definitely not pellet guns they can be considered BB guns as they do fire BBs, well psuedo BBs crushable plastic makes for miserable bearings

Skatedude · 01-03-2007 2:20pm

Hi
I also sent an email similer to yours Ample, pointing out the inaccuracies of the article and the legality of airsoft, but i agree that the shop should not be selling to children.
I also metioned that i hoped they would consider a follow up article with corrections, but i somehow doubt it will happen, but you never know,
I saw keep sending in emails to the paper pointing out their mistakes and ask them to take a proper look at the sport

Voodoomelon · 01-03-2007 3:10pm

Harekin wrote:

Im just say this once, and once only. They are Airsoft guns. Not "bb guns" or "pellet guns". Call them what they are as this differenciates them from Airguns, etc. AIRSOFT GUNS!!

I must agree also. It is very important to distinguish between airsoft guns and all others.

Airsoft guns are NOT bbguns, bbguns are typically pistols or rifles that exceed 450fps and fire .177 ball bearings, these are very much illegal without a firearms permit and to compare them to airsoft guns is only going to increase the confusion and incorrectly relate airsoft equipment with illegally held bbguns, which are the real "potentially harmful" weapons.

I never liked the term "pellet gun" either as it usually relates to bbguns like the G1000 and likes that fire .177 bearings.

Dave! · 01-03-2007 6:12pm

We've had this discussion before... Airsoft guns fire BBs, so I don't see a problem with calling them BB guns. Air guns and pellet guns are different, though, and require a licence.

Mark_Sc · 01-03-2007 6:28pm

I was trying to get through and just when it started ringing they stopped talking about it! What was they're problem. Small kids have access to knives at home but there few or no accidents involving small kids and knives. They cant blame the guns for this its the responcibility of the gunholder to keep it safe (which they will as small kids have a habbit of damaging expensive things that are hard to get ). + these people diddnt know what they were talking about. This is something we should bring up on the open mike(FM104 from 9:30-1:00am) they love to talk to us about airsoft.

generalmiaow · 01-03-2007 9:00pm

DaveMcG wrote:

We've had this discussion before... Airsoft guns fire BBs, so I don't see a problem with calling them BB guns. Air guns and pellet guns are different, though, and require a licence.

True, and I know the discussion, but someone idly searching for "BB guns" on Wikipedia for example will get the article on what Americans call BB guns, which fire metal pellets. I would suggest using it with care.

cork1 · 01-03-2007 9:35pm

these are total and utter assholes.i have no experience with airsoft YET! lets keep airsoft and get rid of all children from carlow.

by the way i was told bb means ball bearing so then they cant bb guns and as im posting ill say it again "assholes"

Spitfire666 · 01-03-2007 9:42pm

BB is just a common name for spheres of that size. BB's are also in fishing. it does mean ball bearing but its also a size

Evolute · 01-03-2007 10:18pm

Thats just them slaying Airsoft my god there so full of S**t obviously dont let young kids get at them. thats so stupid. What are they saying about the games too come on this is soooooo stupid i actually cant listen to it

ED E · 01-03-2007 11:12pm

So its over? what was said, did you get the MP3?

If not maybe we can ask for a copy?

Dave! · 01-03-2007 11:21pm

Lethal_Bullet wrote:

So its over? what was said, did you get the MP3?

If not maybe we can ask for a copy?

http://www.sharebigfile.com/file/96372/FM-2007-02-28-22h39m55s-wav.html

o1s1n · 01-03-2007 11:33pm

Taken from wikipedia

While it is often stated that "BB" stands for "ball bearing", this is not the case. The original BB guns used the BB sized lead shotgun shot, midway between B and BBB size. BB shot was nominally 0.180 inches (4.57 mm), but tended to vary considerably in size due to the high allowable tolerances for shotgun shell use. Around 1900, Daisy, one of the earliest makers of BB guns, changed their BB gun bore diameter to .175 inches (4.45 mm), and began to market precision made lead shot specifically for their BB guns. They called this "air rifle shot", but the "BB" name was already well established, and everyone continued calling the guns "BB guns" and the shot "BB shot" or just "BBs".

Actually, read the whole article about bb guns on wiki

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BB_gun

BB guns, pellet guns etc relate to airguns. It does not stand for ball bearing. I know these terms are thrown around loosely in relation to some airsoft products. Especially springers. I know airsoft guns fire "bbs".
Using this term however just ends up blurring the lines. Which we REALLY don't need.

I was showing my cousin my airsoft equipment and he stated that he new someone with a similar "pellet gun". One which you had to break each time and it fired lead pellets. See the confusion?

Just call it airsoft. Simple as that. Don't accept people calling it anything else. Ample Free used the term "bb gun" in his email as that was the terminology being used in the article he was replying to. I'm sure he wouldn't use it when discussing airsoft in general.

o1s1n · 01-03-2007 11:34pm

Lethal_Bullet wrote:

So its over? what was said, did you get the MP3?

If not maybe we can ask for a copy?

Try to remain calm while listening to it. Even if you feel your blood boiling, resist the urge to smash things

CrazyRabbit · 02-03-2007 5:22pm

They misquoted my comments from the email I sent. You would think that by sending an email that there would be no possibility of this!!

I've never encountered such a one-sided and ignorant radio show before. They should be taken off the air.

o1s1n · 02-03-2007 6:28pm

The presenter did seem honest about his discussion. It was only the people on the panel who came across as ignorant.

What did you think of the guy at the start trying to "get these guns banned"? I think an invite to a skirmish needs to be send out to him

CrazyRabbit · 02-03-2007 8:34pm

o1s1n wrote:

I think an invite to a skirmish needs to be send out to him

You mean so we can have another firing squad?

Seriously though....might be a good idea. Invite a reportor from one of the papers. I'd gladly chip in a few quid to pay for his/her rental fees etc. Might want to get this NGB setup 1st.

Dave! · 02-03-2007 9:35pm

I still think we'd be better off contacting some sports magazines or somethin. The papers would be more inclined to misrepresent the sport.

Another thing we should consider is writing a press release and sending it in here, but not until we've got the IAA running properly and the site up to scratch.

generalmiaow · 02-03-2007 10:23pm

DaveMcG wrote:

I still think we'd be better off contacting some sports magazines or somethin. The papers would be more inclined to misrepresent the sport.

I fully agree. Although is there a well-read generic sports magazine with wide readership in Ireland?

Hivemind187 · 02-03-2007 10:30pm

generalmiaow wrote:

I fully agree. Although is there a well-read generic sports magazine with wide readership in Ireland?

Nothing that isnt dedicated to ball games of some sort.

N.O.I.P. · 02-03-2007 10:33pm

Am I the only one who thinks it would be a really bad Idea to bring a journalist to a game right now. Would it not be a good idea to wait until HRTA (assuming that venue was used) is finished and the safe zone has been properly sorted.

Its a journalists job to sell papers and right now the easiest story to write and the one that will sell the most papers is the one that paints airsoft in a bad light. One bad incident involving Airsoft making it to the national media and thats it for the sport, the Newstalk/Carlow Nationalist thing doesn't seem to have done any harm at the moment but that was dumb luck.

Unless steps are taken to protect the sport now we may find ourselves in the situation of not being able to play in the south, not being able to buy new equipment and worse still losing the equipment we already have. Are you sure you want to take that risk?

Hivemind187 · 02-03-2007 10:39pm

N.O.I.P. wrote:

Am I the only one who thinks it would be a really bad Idea to bring a journalist to a game right now. Would it not be a good idea to wait until HRTA (assuming that venue was used) is finished and the safe zone has been properly sorted.

Its a journalists job to sell papers and right now the easiest story to write and the one that will sell the most papers is the one that paints airsoft in a bad light. One bad incident involving Airsoft making it to the national media and thats it for the sport, the Newstalk/Carlow Nationalist thing doesn't seem to have done any harm at the moment but that was dumb luck.

Unless steps are taken to protect the sport now we may find ourselves in the situation of not being able to play in the south, not being able to buy new equipment and worse still losing the equipment we already have. Are you sure you want to take that risk?

Yeah. I dont want to lose NOIP's guns.

Airsoft to be discussed on Newstalk 106-108 on Wed 10pm-12midnight -- EMAIL THEM!!!

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