Would Katie Taylor beat an average man in a fight?

ScumLord · 10-08-2012 8:09pm

Stercus Accidit wrote: »

You are speaking from experience, just like the guy you are contradicting I suppose?

I don't do any martial art I'm just a fan.

FYI what he says makes perfect sense,

It does make sense because men are naturally bigger and stronger but most untrained people fight stupid unless they have loads of experience in street fighting and learn what not to do through experience.

I've been involved in martial arts myself and once things go to ground it is a totally different skill set.

A skill set the average man doesn't have. Coming from a town kown for it's drunken fighting I've seen more than my fare share of untrained fighters and their ground game is little more than a hugging match. In a lot of street fights if one guy doesn't land a knock out punch straight away the fight turns into something comical.

If she goes up against a man that's training and has a skill set she's going to be at a disadvantage but your average man only fights when they're drunk and even then they throw haymakers that are often thrown with such force they fall after the swing.

OnTheCouch · 10-08-2012 8:09pm

Average male with no real fighting experience? No chance, you'd be on the floor before you even saw the punch coming. Sounds like an alcohol-fuelled question asked by wannabe macho lads down the pub.

phasers · 10-08-2012 8:12pm

Could Superman outrun The Flash?

helimachoptor · 10-08-2012 8:19pm

Lads.. Not a chance.. I was doing a white collar event a while ago, sadly I couldn't compete as in full contact sparring Ibreached 2 ribs prior to the fight. The guy I was sparring with had 3 months more experience than me and he was a class above me draw your own conclusions between an average joe and Katie taylor

Tbh if I was to get into a ring id need to be wrapped up like the Michelin man to last more than a minute.

The average joe would be dropped before he got his hands on her imo

serjical_strike · 10-08-2012 8:19pm

phasers wrote: »

Could Superman outrun The Flash?

No.!!

4zn76tysfajdxp · 10-08-2012 8:23pm

phasers wrote: »

Could Superman outrun The Flash?

They've raced each other on numerous occasions, most often with The Flash winning. But there have been some exceptions with Superman outrunning The Flash.

Heckler · 10-08-2012 8:25pm

Against a vicious no holds barred street brawler scumbag whos been in many street fights , biting, headbutting, tearing ears and willing to slam your face into the footpath repeatedly, I'd say no. Against me or anyone like me............i'd run.

At a guess most street brawls go to the ground. Good footwork is useless then and most punches are severely shortened. Knees, maybe elbows and heads come into play. Strength also is a big factor.

I digress. Against a regular joe as described ya she'd probably knock a few lumps outta him alright. I wouldn't mess with her.

phasers · 10-08-2012 8:26pm

Koda Savory Motorbike wrote: »

They've raced each other on numerous occasions, most often with The Flash winning. But there have been some exceptions with Superman outrunning The Flash.

I suppose everyone has their off days

mikom · 10-08-2012 8:26pm

phasers wrote: »

Could Superman outrun The Flash?

The flash is gay?

God... · 10-08-2012 8:41pm

OnTheCouch wrote: »

Average male with no real fighting experience? No chance, you'd be on the floor before you even saw the punch coming. Sounds like an alcohol-fuelled question asked by wannabe macho lads down the pub.

Was just thinking the same thing!!

Anyone that thinks no is obviously extremely ignorant to what it takes to be an olympic level boxer let along gold medalist, well either that or they're semi-retarded.

starbelgrade · 10-08-2012 8:42pm

This reminds me of the time Frank Skinner thought he could throw together a group of his celebrity male friends, take on the England women's international football team & beat them, because.. well, they are lads and lads are better than ladies at football.

Not. They had their arses handed to them on a plate after the ladies thrashed them without hardly breaking a sweat.

Foxhole Norman · 10-08-2012 8:59pm

Throw Chris Brown in the ring.

notnumber · 10-08-2012 9:00pm

She would beat above average men..rumor has it chuck norris postponned his planned vacation to Ireland..he was babbling about exchange rates and political instability but people could see the terror in his eyes...apparently he dissed her on a super heroes dating website.

notnumber · 10-08-2012 9:04pm

Foxhole Norman wrote: »

Throw Chris Brown in the ring.

foxhole norman chris brown? are ye guys from the typing school? the brown fox jumped over chris normon.X100

Pottler · 10-08-2012 9:09pm

Heckler wrote: »

Against a vicious no holds barred street brawler scumbag whos been in many street fights , biting, headbutting, tearing ears and willing to slam your face into the footpath repeatedly, I'd say no. Against me or anyone like me............i'd run.

At a guess most street brawls go to the ground. Good footwork is useless then and most punches are severely shortened. Knees, maybe elbows and heads come into play. Strength also is a big factor.

I digress. Against a regular joe as described ya she'd probably knock a few lumps outta him alright. I wouldn't mess with her.

No. Not a hope. The scumbag would be knackered running around trying to get close to her after 20 seconds, then she'd hit him once and it would be all over. Do you have any idea of the pounds pressure one of these athletes exert in a punch? Bare fisted punch, your arm would snap from one punch, no joking at all. As in off to hospital to get a plaster fitted. If you took a punch to the ribs, your ribs would be broken. To the head, and you no longer have control of your body. Ever watched Jackass where one of the clowns gets put in the ring with a Thai Boxer? (A ham and eggs Thai boxer). Going easy, the Thai lad destroys Jackass boy within seconds, at no risk whatsoever to himself. Up against any Olympic standard boxer, a man who was not also a skilled boxer would look like a child getting beaten by an adult.

LoYL · 10-08-2012 9:09pm

The overhang on the average Irishman would crush her. As he fell from the boxing he got.

starbelgrade · 10-08-2012 9:09pm

Foxhole Norman wrote: »

Throw Chris Brown in the ring.

It'd be nice to see a women batter the crap out of him to see how he likes it.

Seaneh · 10-08-2012 9:10pm

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

Better one: Makikomi vs Katie, for the honour Boards.

But OP, no, most men (and women) woud be utterly destroyed by her.

In a boxing match, she's hammer him.

In a brawl, he's just throw her around.

1ZRed · 10-08-2012 9:13pm

Average 5'10 male, 14 fucking stone? that's 196lbs!

I'm 6ft and 165 lbs. I'm not a small guy either

Even if I was that weight in pure muscle I'd have my ass handed back to me black and blue by her.

starbelgrade · 10-08-2012 9:15pm

1ZRed wrote: »

Average 5'10 male, 14 fucking stone? that's 196lbs!

Are you insinuating that the OP is a fat bastard?

Wibbs · 10-08-2012 9:16pm

Foxhole Norman wrote: »

Throw Chris Brown in the ring.

Though not really a fan of the pugilist arts I'd pay to see that*. I suspect Ms Taylor though a god fearing lass would do that fight for nothing more than a whip around for her local church. And for the lulz.

Ms Katie Taylor, Olympic Gold medalist, world champion Katie Taylor. Been in hundreds of bouts. Probably thousands. Now look at her face. She's a fine looking young woman. This may be an indicator of her prowess. Look at Muhammed Ali in his prime. Good looking man. There's a reason for that...

I have to say I'm an admirer of hers. Seems like a very together and quiet person who lets her long honed skills and talent speak for her. Good luck to her and TBH questions like this make me throw my eyes up to heaven. If parallel universes exist I like to think those talking big are in the ring with her as we speak in one of them getting their arses handed to them on a plate.

*I've watched her fights when they've come on. Both from the oul patriotism angle and because I love to watch people who excel, even in things I'm not particularly interested in. Shít I even watched a premier darts match once because the chubby English lad chucking the little pub arrows was a complete master.

Duiske · 10-08-2012 9:17pm

DanWall wrote: »

I would not like to be married to her

Not sure why not. :eek: http://cdn.independent.ie/multimedia/dynamic/01088/katie-taylor_1088604t.jpg

1ZRed · 10-08-2012 9:17pm

starbelgrade wrote: »

Are you insinuating that the OP is a fat bastard?

Not at all but I don't think that's average weight for someone of that height

garv123 · 10-08-2012 9:18pm

Am I meant to answer yes to the thread title or no to the question in the thread?

Heckler · 10-08-2012 9:19pm

Pottler wrote: »

No. Not a hope. The scumbag would be knackered running around trying to get close to her after 20 seconds, then she'd hit him once and it would be all over. Do you have any idea of the pounds pressure one of these athletes exert in a punch? Bare fisted punch, your arm would snap from one punch, no joking at all. As in off to hospital to get a plaster fitted. If you took a punch to the ribs, your ribs would be broken. To the head, and you no longer have control of your body. Ever watched Jackass where one of the clowns gets put in the ring with a Thai Boxer? (A ham and eggs Thai boxer). Going easy, the Thai lad destroys Jackass boy within seconds, at no risk whatsoever to himself. Up against any Olympic standard boxer, a man who was not also a skilled boxer would look like a child getting beaten by an adult.

Sorry now but you think a full on punch to the arm from Taylor would break your arm ? Shes good, she's not ironman/woman. Granted a good punch can break a rib. You don't have to be trained to do that just strong. Everything you mentioned related to strength. Anybody hitting anybody else in the head can daze the hell outta them. Anyone with a modicum of strength can sucker punch and have a person seeing stars.

Also I believe a fairly decent thai boxer would make a mess outta Taylor.

My point is how many toe to toe street fights do you ever see that last more than 10 seconds ? None. They go to the ground.

Mr. Boo · 10-08-2012 9:20pm

Yes, this average man is definitely considerably overweight and should probably consult with a cardiologist before fighting anyone.

Mr. Boo · 10-08-2012 9:21pm

And secondly there's some fierce unfounded sh1te being blathered out in this thread.

Owen_S · 10-08-2012 9:22pm

Considering she often spars with male boxers who have Olympic medals amongst other accolades and manages to hold her own, she would completely destroy the vast majority of men.

notnumber · 10-08-2012 9:23pm

garv123 wrote: »

Am I meant to answer yes to the thread title or no to the question in the thread?

I dunno man..would not have expected it would have lead to you such a quandary.
maybe no the title and yes to the question

donegal_man · 10-08-2012 9:26pm

Heckler wrote: »

Against a vicious no holds barred street brawler scumbag whos been in many street fights , biting, headbutting, tearing ears and willing to slam your face into the footpath repeatedly, I'd say no. Against me or anyone like me............i'd run.

At a guess most street brawls go to the ground. Good footwork is useless then and most punches are severely shortened. Knees, maybe elbows and heads come into play. Strength also is a big factor.

I digress. Against a regular joe as described ya she'd probably knock a few lumps outta him alright. I wouldn't mess with her.

Saw one of these "hard men" try it against an off duty very very average Manchester Police club boxer, "c'mon ya b&$t@rd let's see what ya can do without yer mates" two strikes in it cop struck scumbag, scumbag struck the deck. He just wasn't fast enough to get in close and do any damage before running into a fist. So imagine what someone capable of winning an Olympic gold would do to him, probably terminal damage if she hit him full power to the head.

Peetrik · 10-08-2012 9:27pm

If you're 14st for 5'10 then you're out of shape. I'd put a put money on any boxer, male or female that competes internationally, against the average joe especially one thats out of shape.

Pottler wrote: »

This. I've sparred with a European Champion Kickboxer and I did ok, he hit me, I hit him, nobody was humiliated

No surprise there, Boxers that train twice a day six days a week are a different kettle of fish to Kickboxers both in fitness levels and in ability.

nice1franko · 10-08-2012 9:35pm

I think a lot of people are underestimating:

a) how fast she is
b) how hard she hits
c) the damage her bare knuckles would do
d) how unfit the average man is compared to her (two minutes of fighting is truly exhausting)
e) how much better she can take a punch than the average man

Katie would leave the average man in a bloody, bawling mess in a matter seconds and better than average ones in minutes.

strobe · 10-08-2012 9:43pm

In the ring? She'd absolutely annihilate them. Out of the ring, the size, strength and weight difference would mean all the man would have to do is shoulder charge her to the ground, use their weight to keep her down and pummel her. That's just the reality of it. It's not an absolute, but it's extremely likely. (I'm taking 'some fighting experience' to mean the man would be able to realise this of course and not attempt to stand up and trade with her.)

A top female MMA fighter comparable to Katie's ability in boxing (I'm unaware if one exists at present) would make it more of an unsure question, as she would be incredibly gifted in reacting to and defending against take downs of any kind (which Katie has never trained to deal with) so could possibly neutralize this, and use her training to wipe the floor with him while doing so. But there is still a huge weight and strength difference and the man could still come out on top.

(This isn't an MMA is better than boxing thing or anything, I much prefer boxing and rate the top boxers far higher than I do the top MMA guys personally, but I feel it would make more of a difference in the given scenario.)

Pottler · 10-08-2012 9:45pm

Peetrik wrote: »

If you're 14st for 5'10 then you're out of shape. I'd put a put money on any boxer, male or female that competes internationally, against the average joe especially one thats out of shape.

No surprise there, Boxers that train twice a day six days a week are a different kettle of fish to Kickboxers both in fitness levels and in ability.

That was exactly my point. I'm under no illusions. My sons kickbox, at their club there are a number of European rated fighters, I can happily fight against them, they'll not be of such a class that they hurt me or make me look bad. I also know a good lightweight boxer well. Not for diamonds would I get in and spar with him, cos he'd bust my head open just messing and I would not even see what it was that he hit me with, his hands are so fast. Like I said, different level.

scwazrh · 10-08-2012 9:46pm

When Katie decides shes had enough of fair fitting I think she should spend her time boxing the sh**e out of the many scumbags that think the're big lads hitting women .A sort of " jim will fix it " for all the women that suffer from domestic abuse , send Katie a letter and she could meet the bloke and sort the problem !

Heckler · 10-08-2012 9:56pm

nice1franko wrote: »

I think a lot of people are underestimating:

a) how fast she is
b) how hard she hits
c) the damage her bare knuckles would do
d) how unfit the average man is compared to her (two minutes of fighting is truly exhausting)
e) how much better she can take a punch than the average man

Katie would leave the average man in a bloody, bawling mess in a matter seconds and better than average ones in minutes.

a) agree. Shes fast.
b) somewhat agree. She can hit hard. Lots of untrained people can hit hard because they are naturally strong.
C) disagree. Some difference between hitting someone with a glove on and bare knuckle. A full power bare knuckle fist to the crown of someones skull and you are likely to break fingers.
D) Agree. Shes fit as ****. Not that way.....the other....
E) somewhat agree. She has learned to take a punch form a trained fighter with gloves. Different than a bare knuckle punch but defo an advantage.

Dyr · 10-08-2012 10:04pm

I think people are confusing violence with fighting tbh

Richard Hillman · 10-08-2012 10:11pm

Boxing is probably the lowest skilled of mainstream combat arts. Im confident that i would have a credible chance if a boxer came towards me throwing punches, that i could dip and take them down by their knees. Idiots would enter into a fist fight though which would be idiotic. I remember a boxer James Toney tried to enter into MMA and fought Randy Couture. He was a complete embarrassment.

Most fights are basically judo and wrestling

Gbear · 10-08-2012 10:13pm

I would think that, male or female, if there was a substantial size difference and particularly, weight difference, then in a real fight (rather than a boxing match where she would kick seven shades of ****e out of a non-boxer, even with a huge size difference), the boxer would probably have a chance to land a punch or two and finish it before it started but if it got into a grappling situation, the extra weight and strength of the heavier person would win through.

I would think that an average man - say 5ft 10 and 70kg would probably beat Katie Taylor in a fight, a quick knockout punch notwithstanding. If you've ever banged your head off an open press in the kitchen or a door frame it's easy to imagine a person who's not used to getting hit in the head being easy to knock down.

It would scale a bit differently with a small male boxer (55kg for example), and the probability of being able to land a punch that would knock you the **** out would be a bit higher, but a slightly above average, 6ft 80kg man would win 8 times out of 10, I would think.

Peetrik · 10-08-2012 10:28pm

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Boxing is probably the lowest skilled of mainstream combat arts.

You have no idea what you're talking about

Seaneh · 10-08-2012 10:47pm

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Boxing is probably the lowest skilled of mainstream combat arts. Im confident if a boxer came towards me throwing punches, that i could dip and take them down by their knees. Idiots would enter into a fist fight though which would be idiotic. I remember a boxer James Toney tried to enter into MMA and fought Randy Couture. He was a complete embarrassment.

Most fights are basically judo and wrestling

You are insane.

Boxers take punches harder than and kicker boxer can throw their foot and don't budge. the ONLY hope an MMA fighter would have against a world class boxer would be in the managed to take them down, and that would be insanely hard.

a 75kg boxer would be so much faster than a 75kg mma fighter that any time the mma guy came near the boxer, he'd be pummelled with punches before he could grab him.

Put Jose Aldo in a street fight with Mayweather Jr (both 65kg) and Aldo is going nowhere after it besides a fecking emergency room!

Pottler · 10-08-2012 11:23pm

Anyway, I'd err, let her win. This might just be me, but anyone else noticed she's a bit of a doll? Fine looking woman imoho.I'd wouldn't kick her out for geting crisps on the duvet.

jill_valentine · 10-08-2012 11:28pm

scwazrh wrote: »

When Katie decides shes had enough of fair fitting I think she should spend her time boxing the sh**e out of the many scumbags that think the're big lads hitting women .A sort of " jim will fix it " for all the women that suffer from domestic abuse , send Katie a letter and she could meet the bloke and sort the problem !

Frankie Boyle had the quite wonderful idea of setting her up on a date with Chris Brown.

Still has his moments, does Frankie.

Dyr · 10-08-2012 11:34pm

Seaneh wrote: »

You are insane.

Boxers take punches harder than and kicker boxer can throw their foot and don't budge. the ONLY hope an MMA fighter would have against a world class boxer would be in the managed to take them down, and that would be insanely hard.

a 75kg boxer would be so much faster than a 75kg mma fighter that any time the mma guy came near the boxer, he'd be pummelled with punches before he could grab him.

Please, buddha, allah, krishna, baby jebus, make the man stop, please. The incorrect hurts so bad.

Richard Hillman · 10-08-2012 11:34pm

Seaneh wrote: »

You are insane.

Boxers take punches harder than and kicker boxer can throw their foot and don't budge. the ONLY hope an MMA fighter would have against a world class boxer would be in the managed to take them down, and that would be insanely hard.

a 75kg boxer would be so much faster than a 75kg mma fighter that any time the mma guy came near the boxer, he'd be pummelled with punches before he could grab him.

Put Jose Aldo in a street fight with Mayweather Jr (both 65kg) and Aldo is going nowhere after it besides a fecking emergency room!

Sorry, but that is just pure ignorance. Jose Aldo would have Floyd Mayweather on his arse in about 10 seconds and he would be tapping out soon enough after. Im a big Mayweather fan but any top level boxer would be murdered against a decent MMA fighter.

NegativeCreep · 10-08-2012 11:35pm

14 stone? Whats wrong with you people? :L
And she'd kick the.head off me. That's for sure!

later12 · 10-08-2012 11:37pm

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Im confident if a boxer came towards me throwing punches, that i could dip and take them down by their knees.

I despair when people talk about what boxers they could 'take' on the internet.

Try it and report back. Post the video up. Then we'll talk.

Jonah42 · 10-08-2012 11:38pm

Seaneh wrote: »

You are insane.

Boxers take punches harder than and kicker boxer can throw their foot and don't budge. the ONLY hope an MMA fighter would have against a world class boxer would be in the managed to take them down, and that would be insanely hard.

a 75kg boxer would be so much faster than a 75kg mma fighter that any time the mma guy came near the boxer, he'd be pummelled with punches before he could grab him.

Put Jose Aldo in a street fight with Mayweather Jr (both 65kg) and Aldo is going nowhere after it besides a fecking emergency room!

Watch Royce Gracie V Art Jimmerson or Randy Couture V James Toney and you'll see how easy it can be for skilled grapplers to takedown, control and submit skilled boxers. Jose Aldo V Mayweather would follow a similar fashion. The only way to defend against grapplers is to become a grappler.

Katie Taylor is a world class boxer. The average man has never trained in a combat sport, so advantage Katie... Unless she's up against André the Giant or something I guess

VEN · 10-08-2012 11:44pm

Depends who she's fighting, taking this as outside the ring, no rules just pure dirt and 14st is heavy enough.
Bursted ear drums and kicks to the groin anyone?

starbelgrade · 10-08-2012 11:45pm

Of all the blokes in here who think that their size & weight would be enough to beat Taylor in a fight - either in or out of the ring - I guarantee that given the opportunity, there is not one that would even dare risk trying to prove that they are right.

Not one fucking chance.

Would Katie Taylor beat an average man in a fight?

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