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Running Aimlessly Down Under - From 54 to 53 sec 400m

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,623 ✭✭✭dna_leri


    Good running in the 800.
    I think that is the best distance for you if you ever set your mind to it.
    It should be good practice for indoor 400s any way, especially dealing with breaking from lanes and holding your position in the final straight.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,695 ✭✭✭Chivito550


    dna_leri wrote: »
    Good running in the 800.
    I think that is the best distance for you if you ever set your mind to it.
    It should be good practice for indoor 400s any way, especially dealing with breaking from lanes and holding your position in the final straight.

    Maybe. My old coach from Melbourne certainly always thought so.

    However, one thing which makes a big difference is the social dynamic of my training. I really like my training group and coach. I've made friends through it, and love the craic that goes with the training sessions. A move to 800m would involve a completely new group and coach, something which I really am not interested in changing to. If the heart isn't in it, then it's irrelevant if 800m may be my best distance (I'm not so sure it is though).

    If I settled in Melbourne, then a move to 800m would be natural as the 800m group and the sprint group all train at the same time, warm up together, socialise together etc. It's the one group, split up into two, for the actual session only. But now that I have decided to settle in Ireland, this situation no longer exists. A move to 800m will result in a much more drastic change.

    Never say never of course, but I certainly won't be focusing on 800m in the foreseeable future.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,695 ✭✭✭Chivito550


    Wednesday: Gym

    Training was cancelled due to the weather warnings, so I opted for the gym instead, and decided to do a session on my own then on Thursday instead.

    Due to Christmas Day, New Year's Day, and then last week going through the next programme with the S&C coach, this was the first time I got a chance to do this session on the current programme, even though it's week 4 of it.

    A: Front Squats (w/ heels raised, and low depth): 3 x 6 @ 25kg, 30kg, 35kg
    B: Snatch Jumps (from below knees): 3 x 4 @ 25kg
    C1: Flat DB Press: 3 x 4 @ 25kg
    C2: DB Bent Over Row: 3 x 4 on each side @ 25kg, 27.5kg, 27.5kg
    D1: Floor Hip Thrusts: 3 x 8 on each leg
    D2: Dynamic Clam: 3 x 12 on each leg
    D3: Heel Raises: 3 x 8 on each leg @ 14kg

    First time I've ever done front squats so the weights started off low. The snatch jumps are a continuation from the last set of snatch jumps, but this time the bar starts from below the knee, rather than above the knee. Stayed at a low weight this week to get the technique right.

    Thursday: Grass

    Hectic day but managed to find time to get out and get the session done. Coach told me to do a 30 minute fartlek run, with intermittent running and jogging. Weather was beyond awful, with strong winds with some ridiculous gusts, along with pissing rain at times. I wore 5 layers as a result. The grass was very mucky and slippy in places so ran about 30-40% of it on paths. In total I managed 18 fast runs, and 19 jogs. The fast runs ranged from about 100m up to over 250m. At a guess the average was probably 170m or so. Tiring session, but because of the nasty conditions it was hard to run as fast as I would have hoped. The last fast run was 250m slighly uphill so that was a nice tough way to finish off. Overall, a good workout. Character building in such weather.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,695 ✭✭✭Chivito550


    Saturday: Track

    Cold temperatures, but nice sunshine, so overall, nice conditions for a speed session. 2 x (3 x 60) with 5 minutes between sets, and slow walk back recovery within sets. I misheard the session so had my distance spikes on when we did the first 3 reps, but changed into the sprint spikes for the second set. Wouldn't make a great deal of difference though. Happy with how I ran these.

    Sunday: Hills

    200-100-200 5 mins 200-100-200. A fairly standard session. Grass is very long now which makes things harder work than when the grass is cut short. Temperatures about 4-5 degrees. Grass was wet but wasn't too slippy. Times were:

    42.0 - 23.9 - 41.9 - 42.1 - 23.9 - 43.1

    Happy with this session. The times were very consistent, with the exception of a very slight drop off in the last rep, and even then it was only by 1 second.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,695 ✭✭✭Chivito550


    Monday: Massage & Gym

    Massage followed by gym session.

    BB Back Squat (with heels raised, with full depth): 3 x 6 @ 55kg, 57.5kg, 60kg
    Bench Hops: 3 x 4
    Split Squats: 2 x 6 @ 16kg in each hand
    Standing BB Shoulder Press: 4,4 and 3 @ 35kg, 37.5kg, 40kg
    Chin-ups w/ Shoulder Retraction: 3 x 4 @ 4kg, 5kg, 7kg
    Bench Glute Thrusts: 3 x 8 on each leg
    Straight Leg Raises: 3 x 15 on each leg

    Did some core work afterwards. For the shoulder press I could only manage 3 reps at the 40kg. Hopefully next week I can manage the full 4.

    Wednesday: Grass

    Fartlek session on the GAA pitch this evening. We ran about one third of the length, then the full width, then another one third of the length. This adds up to about 190m, especially taking into account the fact we had to run quite wide coming around both of these tight turns. We would then jog the rest of the lap for our recovery.

    Session was 5 x 190m fartlek. Times were:

    31.0 - 31.0 - 30.1 - 30.2 - 31.1

    Recoveries were:

    1:53 - 1:59 - 2:00 - 2:02

    I felt really good this evening. I was up close with one of the 52 second guys. Very happy with the times and the consistency of them, given they were on grass, in road running shoes, and with very tight turns.

    Nice evening for it. Grass was very damp and a bit muddy in places. Cold, but no wind at all, so didn't feel it once warmed up.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,695 ✭✭✭Chivito550


    Gym session this evening. With a 400m race on Saturday, I only did 2 sets instead of 3 for most of the leg stuff.

    A: Front Squats (w/ heels raised, and low depth): 2 x 6 @ 37.5kg, 42.5kg
    B: Snatch Jumps (from below knees): 3 x 4 @ 27.5kg, 27.5kg, 30kg
    C1: Flat DB Press: 3 x 4 @ 25kg, 27.5kg, 27.5kg in each hand
    C2: DB Bent Over Row: 3 x 4 on each side @ 27.5kg, 27.5kg, 30kg
    D1: Floor Hip Thrusts: 2 x 8 on each leg
    D2: Dynamic Clam: 2 x 12 on each leg
    D3: Heel Raises: 2 x 8 on each leg @ 14kg

    Flying over to Cardiff tomorrow evening for Saturday's Welsh Championships, my first 400m of the indoor season.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,695 ✭✭✭Chivito550


    56.97 in my first ever indoor 400m, at the Welsh Championships in Cardiff. Slower than I hoped but the track is a bit worn and the bends are tighter than Athlone. Also one guy got DQed so there were only 2 in my race, with the other guy running 50.6. Overall not ideal for fast running but good experience ahead of all the races in Athlone and hopefully quicker times.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,695 ✭✭✭Chivito550


    Next up on my debut indoor season was a trip to Cardiff to run my first ever indoor 400m, in the Welsh Championships at the National Indoor Athletics Centre (NIAC) in Cardiff. Training has been going well, and that on top of some encouraging results in the 60m, 300m and 800m, meant I am feeling in pretty good shape to run a quick 400m.

    However, this event was unlikely to be a fast one, due to the dimensions of the track, and it's incredibly tight turns (in comparison to Athlone), so the main purpose of this race was to gain experience ahead of the rest of the season on home soil. I had a glance at the track records on the wall before I started warming up, and they were not very fast, with 47.5ish being the men's best, and 52.7ish the women's by Catherine Murphy, who was a 51.7 runner indoors.

    I stayed with some good Welsh friends of mine from my time in Melbourne, who very kindly came to watch me race also. Usually I don't drink the night before a race, but because I hadn't seen them in nearly 2 years I broke this rule and had a glass and a half of wine. Nothing overly hectic though.

    The NIAC facility is quite impressive. A 200m track, with a 120m warm up facility beside it. There's also a big stand by the home straight which created a good atmosphere, and it was almost full, due to the U13, U17, U23 and Senior championships all taking place on the same day. The only downsides are that the surface of the 200m track was pretty worn, it's only 4 lanes, and the bends were really tight, but it wasn't until I actually raced that I truly realised how bad they were.

    400m:

    Entered the call room 20 minutes before the event was due to start and I received my lane draw. There were 4 heats. Heat 1 had 4 runners, with the other 3 heats having just 3. I was in lane 2 of heat 4. The U23 and Senior's were combined together. The winner of each heat made the final, and the 4 fastest losers made the B final.

    Shortly before my race I was given a sticker with my lane number on it, which I had to stick to the right side of my shorts, so I could be identified in case of a photo finish. I put it on, but as I wear fairly short loose shorts, rather than the skin tight ones, my singlet was covering the number. One of the officials asked me why it wasn't showing, so I tucked in my singlet into my shorts on that side. He said to me "why don't you dress like a real athlete". He was smiling while he said it, but he meant it 100%. I found this incredibly rude, but I didn't let him get to me. I replied back calmly, stating that Carl Lewis wore the same type of shorts as me in the 1988 Olympics, as did Ben Johnson. Yes, they were complete juice-monkeys, but they were still seriously good athletes. He didn't say anything back to that and kept quiet after.

    As I stepped onto the track, an official asked me would I like blocks. I found this odd. Blocks are mandatory for 400m as far as I'm aware, so it seemed odd that he would even ask me this. Then I notice that the guy in lane 3 is not using any. Again, very strange.

    Then as we are about to start, and are in the set position, the lad in lane 3 false starts, way before the gun. In fact I don't even think they fired the gun. He gets disqualified. He had been announced out as having already qualified for the 800m final, taking place an hour or so later. So I guess he false started on purpose. It all seemed really odd, a bit like the Mackloufi incident in London. Seemed a bit crazy that he was allowed to do that, as it was clearly not a bona-fide effort.

    In any case, the race was now down to just me, and the lad in lane 4. This would be no race, as he's a sub 50 guy. Gun went off and I drove out hard, being greeted immediately by the extreme tightness of this U-turn shaped bend. I felt like I was attacking hard, but it was just so hard to gain any real speed on this track, and each bend slowed me down way too much. The other lad was getting away from me, as I break from lane 2 into lane 1 on the home straight. I hit the bell with 27 on the clock. This was very slow, and had me wondering was I running well. It was only after that I appreciated just how slow this track was, but at the time I was so confused. I kicked on at the half way mark, and gave everything I could in the second lap, tying up as I came around the last bend. I had about 35-40m left to run when the winner crossed the line. I knew it was about 6 seconds back. His winning time showed 50.6. I hoped for a 56 at best, but feared a 57.

    I was initially so confused, as I knew I was in much better shape than that, but a few minutes afterwards my glutes really started to ache, and my calves were also feeling tight. I had just run around the tightest bends of my life. Athlone is like an outdoor track in comparison. I knew this would be a slow track, but it was only now that I really appreciated just how tough it was. So when I got my time of 56.97 seconds, I wasn't disappointed, nor was I happy. It was simply about getting experience running indoors. The time is irrelevant, as the rest of my races will be in Athlone, where I anticipate much faster times, and also where I won't be running a glorified time-trial.

    Just to give you an idea of how tight the bends are, there is about twice as much space on either side of the 60m track to the 200m track in Athlone, as there is in Cardiff. The 60m lanes 1 and 8 almost seemed on top of the 200m track.

    Good experience, well run meet, and a nice weekend in Cardiff.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,695 ✭✭✭Chivito550


    Sunday: Slow jog

    Coach told me to not do a session on Sunday, to recover from Saturday's race, and instead to do a slow jog. So I went for a short 17 minute run with my friend around his local area in Cardiff. He's run a marathon before, in 4:2x, and does a bit of running to keep fit. We ran at about 5:00ish min/km pace at a guess, as he said the loop we did is 2 miles on the button. He said that would be the pace he would normally run at, so it suited me down to the ground, as it removed the temptation for me to run faster. A nice easy jog to help flush out the lactic out of the legs from the day before.

    Monday: Massage & Gym

    Massage followed by gym session.

    BB Back Squat (with heels raised, with full depth): 3 x 6 @ 57.5kg, 60kg, 62.5kg
    Bench Hops: 3 x 4
    Split Squats: 2 x 6 @ 16kg in each hand
    Standing BB Shoulder Press: 4,4 and 3 @ 35kg, 37.5kg, 40kg
    Chin-ups w/ Shoulder Retraction: 4, 4 and 3 @ 7kg, 9kg, 9kg
    Bench Glute Thrusts: 3 x 8 on each leg
    Straight Leg Raises: 3 x 15 on each leg

    Did some core work afterwards. For the shoulder press I again could only manage 3 reps at the 40kg. Might be stagnating on this exercise. For the Chin-ups I wanted to do 7, 8 and 9kg, but couldn't find the 8kg dunbell so went to 9kg a bit early, and couldn't manage the 4 reps on the third set.

    Wednesday: Grass and Massage

    Weather was very cold, and with the wind picking up, we didn't waste any time, and got a very quick but intensive session done. We did our relay session again. 3 on each team. Distance was 80m, so it worked out as 2 x (3 x 80m) with 2 minutes between each set, and about 25 seconds within each set. By the time you've got yourself back in position after a rep, to start the next one, over half your 25 seconds is gone, and your teammate is running back towards you.

    Massage afterwards.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,695 ✭✭✭Chivito550


    It's evenings like this that I am glad I am a 400m runner, and can have a nice gym session inside rather than grinding out some miles on the snow and slippy sludge! With two 400m races this weekend I did less sets of most exercises.

    A: Front Squats (w/ heels raised, and low depth): 1 x 6 @ 45kg
    B: Snatch Jumps (from below knees): 3 x 4 @ 30kg, 32.5kg, 32.5kg
    C1: Flat DB Press: 2, 4 and 4 @ 27.5kg in each hand
    C2: DB Bent Over Row: 3 x 4 on each side @ 30kg
    D1: Floor Hip Thrusts: 2 x 8 on each leg
    D2: Dynamic Clam: 2 x 12 on each leg
    D3: Heel Raises: 2 x 8 on each leg @ 14kg

    For the squats I just did the one set this time. This doesn't include the warm up which I do not log. This tends to be 6 reps at 50% and then 6 reps at 75%, so in this case 22.5kg and 35kg.

    I lost concentration on the first set of the DB Press and only managed 2 reps, but normal service was resumed for sets 2 and 3.

    Did a 4 min 20 sec plank at the end then. 65 secs on front, 65 on left side, 65 on right side, and 65 on front again, all continuous.

    Busy weekend ahead with 400m races on both Saturday at the National League, and Sunday at the AAI Games.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,695 ✭✭✭Chivito550


    Very disappointing day. Calf spasmed at half way and kept happening then so pulled out with 150 to go. Was running well until half way. Ecoli has a video of the race so I might be able to get my 200 split so I can take something from today.

    The physio guys put some ice cooler spray on it after and have wrapped it up in bandage. It actually feels ok. A small bit tight but not bad because I didn't try to finish the race. I'll make a call on tomorrow when I'm down there. Warm up and if I feel fine I'll give it another go. I had no issues in the warm up today so the randomness of it is very frustrating. The other calf was the one I was worried about as it was tight after the Cardiff race.

    Perhaps the issue is not having the opportunity to do longer reps on the track to build up strength in the calves, like 200s and 300s. It's frustrating that Irishtown resurfacing has been so delayed.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,695 ✭✭✭Chivito550


    56.04 for indoor 400m at AAI Games. An indoor PB and just 1.16 seconds off my outdoor PB. Not too far off that shape given that 1 second is the generally accepted difference between outdoor and indoor. Pleasing for this time of year, and makes up for yesterday's DNF.


  • Registered Users Posts: 102 ✭✭Oiriallach


    Well done!

    You would have been even closer to breaking 56 if you had started at the 400m start line instead of the 200m start line (just noticed that on the live stream as you settled into your blocks). But those two lines are only about 10cm apart in lane 4, so that wouldn't have been quite enough to take you under 56!


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,695 ✭✭✭Chivito550


    Oiriallach wrote: »
    Well done!

    You would have been even closer to breaking 56 if you had started at the 400m start line instead of the 200m start line (just noticed that on the live stream as you settled into your blocks). But those two lines are only about 10cm apart in lane 4, so that wouldn't have been quite enough to take you under 56!

    Hahaha, you serious? I had noticed the 2 different lines close together in lane 4 earlier in the day, but lanes 1 to 3 seem to have the 200 and 400 in the same spot so I just assumed the other line was something to do with relays or whatever. I had just assumed the 200 and 400 started in the same place as you only run the first 150m in lanes for the 400, though I guess having to cut across into lane 1 takes up more metres in the outer lanes than the inner ones. Still doesn't explain why there aren't different lines for 2 and 3 though.

    Anyway, live and learn. It's probably only 0.01 I lost out on, 0.02 at a push.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,290 ✭✭✭Oregano_State


    The bends are the only part of the track where the lanes are different lengths, once you get onto the straight bit it's all the same, so once you get to the end of the second bend (150m-ish), the stagger is even for everyone. I suppose for the outer lanes, as you've said it's the cutting across to lane one that makes the difference. For lanes 2 and 3, the difference is probably so minimal that its less than the thickness of painting a new line.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,695 ✭✭✭Chivito550


    The bends are the only part of the track where the lanes are different lengths, once you get onto the straight bit it's all the same, so once you get to the end of the second bend (150m-ish), the stagger is even for everyone. I suppose for the outer lanes, as you've said it's the cutting across to lane one that makes the difference. For lanes 2 and 3, the difference is probably so minimal that its less than the thickness of painting a new line.

    Makes sense. I'll know for next time. I'd be kicking myself if I had run 56.00.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭menoscemo


    Did you nick the 4th place?


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,695 ✭✭✭Chivito550


    menoscemo wrote: »
    Did you nick the 4th place?

    I did indeed. Got him right at the death by 0.05. Last time I raced him was outdoor AAI Games last year and he killed me by about 2.5 seconds, though I was in terrible shape at the time, having recently moved home, and having backpacked Europe for 5 weeks.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,695 ✭✭✭Chivito550


    A busy weekend, with two 400m races in as many days, my first attempts over my preferred distance in Athlone.

    National Indoor League Round 2:

    The Indoor League is a great concept, and the huge numbers for round 1 shows how popular it has been, particularly with the guest aspect. However, they definitely sold themselves short by organising round 2 for the same weekend as AAI Games, one of the biggest meets of the indoor season. As a result numbers were way down, and the atmosphere was pretty muted. As far as I'm aware a number of teams pulled out due to lack of numbers. Hopefully next year, there won't be any scheduling clashes, so this competition can develop the growth it deserves.

    400m:

    Was pretty early getting down to Athlone as got a lift with a club mate who was also competing, so had a fair bit of time waiting around. Judging when to start the warm up proved to be a little tricky, as they only give the start time of when the 400m starts for the first women's race, so it's guesswork as to when my actual race is on. There was also a delay before the start of the women's 400m. My warm up may have stretched a little long, but nothing hugely out of the ordinary.

    There were only 8 of us who showed up for the guest 400m. The top 6 in all guest races qualify for the League final, so now there was the genuine possibility of a rather unwanted race next weekend, which I had not planned. I had no idea what sort of times the other guys were running.

    I was in lane 3, the inside of the 4 of us in my race. Got out well, driving hard off the bend and down the backstraight. Pushed a bit going around the bend, and then tried to relax down the homestraight towards the bell. I felt like I was moving well and that I wasn't far down on the others, but having looked at the video after, I was about 2 and a bit seconds down on the other 3 who were all together. As I entered the bend to start the second lap I felt a small spasm in my right calf. I got a few more of these, before a bigger one at 150m to go and I stepped off the track, absolutely gutted, frustrated and confused. Moments later David "Big Red" McCarthy of all people comes over to me to help me stretch out the calf. I then go over to the physio people who put some ice spray on the calf, and bandage me up and give me a bit of advice on what to do to allow it to recover for the next day's race.

    My 200m split was around 26.4 to 26.5 hand timed, so not as fast as I first thought, or how it felt. I speculated what I could have run had I been able to finish, but it was all pointless really. I wasn't in the best form going back to Dublin, and it was a challenge to try get up for the next day's race, particularly given the fact I didn't know whether I'd be able to run or not. I had a hot bath to loosen the muscles, and used a heat pack a couple of times also. Despite everything, the calf felt fine. No obvious after-effects.

    AAI Indoor Games:

    Back down the next morning to Athlone. Similar story of getting there early, at around 11am, while my race wasn't until 3:40pm, so I relaxed and watched some of the other races for a few hours. To start I wasn't that nervous, as I wasn't sure whether I'd be running. I was thinking a lot about the day before. Thankfully my coach arrived and talked sense into me. Told me to forget it, to run the race hard, and if it happens again then so be it, and we'll deal with it. But if I race thinking about it, I may aswell just write down 57 now, not bother racing, go home and have a few pints. Excellent advice.

    400m:

    I took a shorter warm up this time. I hadn't planned on it being quite so short, but I sort of got my timing a bit wrong and didn't realise I'd be called to call room as early as I was. I did a few mini strides in the call room though, and to be honest I was as warmed up as I would be for all my training sessions. I think it can be easy to spend so long warming up for a race compared to training.

    While waiting for my race, I watched the first couple of heats. I was perplexed how a guy who ran 56.5 managed to get into the top heat with Dara Kervick, Timmy Crowe and the others. Seemed like he belonged in my race, heat 4, the slowest of the 4 races.

    There were supposed to be 6 in the race but the guy in lane 5 was a late withdrawal. I was in lane 4. The guy in lane 2 I raced once before back at last year's AAI Games outdoors, when I ran a terrible 57.00, and he was about 54.5ish. I knew it would be a lot closer now.

    I decided I wasn't comfortable with the idea of running the first 200 almost like a 200m race, and then hanging on, so decided to run it like I do outdoors, by cruising quickly from 50 to 200.

    Felt I got out well enough, but the guy in lane 3 ate up the stagger on me very quickly, before I hit the backstraight. Then not long later, the guy in lane 1 did likewise. I move hard around the bend but keeping relaxed, like I would outdoors. As I enter the homestraight and to the break I notice the guy in lane 2 has eaten up the stagger on me and stolen about 5 metres or so. As I hit the bend for the start of the second lap I up the effort levels, but it's on the backstraight where I really start to push hard. I can feel myself regaining closer contact to the guy ahead of me, and there is another lad in front of him who is not too far ahead. The top 2 are away and gone.

    As I enter the final bend I am hoping that the guy ahead of me doesn't die until the straight, as I really do not want to have to run around him and use up extra metres. Thankfully he is still moving fine, but by the time I hit the straight I'm only about 2 metres down. I was a bit tense running around that final bend, but that's inexperience with indoor running right there, and it appears harder to keep relaxed running around such tight curves.

    Down the final straight, my legs are tiring, but I know I am closing on him ahead, which spurs me on, and in the last couple of strides I just barely get by him, and I ended up pipping him by 0.05 to take 4th in the race.

    Coach had hand timed me at about 55.7, so it would be touch and go to get under 56, and unfortunately I was on the wrong end of this mark, with 56.04 seconds, an indoor PB, and a 0.93 second improvement on my run at the tight Cardiff track last week. Overall I have to be happy with that result. David Gillick had a 0.75 second difference between his outdoor and indoor PBs, so I guess it would be about 0.9 for me, so I guess that run was the equivalent of a 55.1 or 55.2 outdoors, which would be my third best run ever. Hard to compare exactly, but it's definitely a good result at this time of the year, and hopefully I will go faster in the coming weeks. I have the Leinsters and Nationals planned, and I may run the Connachts as a backup, in case I don't get the result from the next 2 races that I am hoping for.

    I still have to figure out why my calf spasmed on Saturday as it was particularly random. Usually it doesn't happen in races, and when it does it tends to be in evening races after working all day. One possible reason could have been dehydration. I had drank plenty that day, but I was sweating quite a lot in my warm up, so I probably could have done with more, so I upped my intake of fluids the next day. Maybe my warm up was too long and I was tired going in, though this is unlikely as I have down warm ups even longer than that before. A real possibility could be lack of track time for longer efforts in training. With Irishtown closed, I only have one track day a week, which is usually for more top end speed. As a result I haven't had a chance to do longer reps like 200s and 300s on a track, so perhaps my calves haven't built up the strength to cope with these longer efforts yet. If thisis the case, then hopefully this weekend will have helped in that regard, and next weekend I'll have 2 track sessions, as I'm down in Athlone for a training session on Sunday.

    There was the option of racing in Birmingham next weekend with a few of my training group, which could have been a good experience, but to be honest I need a weekend off racing, to regroup, and get ready for some important races to come.

    This weekend was definitely a rollercoaster of emotions.

    My race can be found at the 3 hour 45 minute mark on the below video:



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,695 ✭✭✭Chivito550


    Monday: Gym

    BB Back Squat (with heels raised, with full depth): 3 x 6 @ 60kg, 62.5kg, 65kg
    Bench Hops: 3 x 4
    Split Squats: 2 x 6 @ 16kg, 18kg in each hand
    Standing BB Shoulder Press: 3 x 4 @ 35kg, 37.5kg, 40kg
    Chin-ups w/ Shoulder Retraction: 3 x 4 @ 7kg, 8kg, 8kg (I may have forgot to do the last set now that I think about it, as I was distracted after finally managing 4 reps at 40kg in the shoulder press, after failing the previous 2 weeks.)
    Bench Glute Thrusts: 3 x 8 on each leg
    Straight Leg Raises: 3 x 15 on each leg

    Did some planks afterwards. 3 sets of (35 secs front, 35 secs left side, 35 secs right side, 35 front, all continuous) with 1 minute between sets.

    Wednesday: Grass

    Did the below session from 2 weeks ago:
    Chivito550 wrote: »
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    Wednesday: Grass

    Fartlek session on the GAA pitch this evening. We ran about one third of the length, then the full width, then another one third of the length. This adds up to about 190m, especially taking into account the fact we had to run quite wide coming around both of these tight turns. We would then jog the rest of the lap for our recovery.

    Session was 5 x 190m fartlek. Times were:

    31.0 - 31.0 - 30.1 - 30.2 - 31.1

    Recoveries were:

    1:53 - 1:59 - 2:00 - 2:02

    However, we ran about 5 metres more on this occasion, as the last day we started at a flag after the floodlight, while this time we started at the floodlight. This explains the slower times. So either the last time was 185m reps, and these were 190m, or it was 190m then, and 195m now. Another thing I forgot to mention last time is that we ran these reps clockwise, the opposite direction to on the track. Times were:

    30.5 - 32.0 - 32.3 - 32.1 - 31.3

    Recoveries were:

    1:49 - 1:56 - 2:02 - 2:00

    Coach was telling me that anything between 0.5 to 0.75 seconds is a rough general guideline when converting indoor 400m to outdoor 400m, although the margin can be wider for those who run better outdoors than indoors etc.

    Using David Gillick's 0.75 second difference to work out a 0.9 second difference for me is a bit flawed, as he actually ran 45.5 back when he was only running 45.1 outdoors, and he was probably in the shape to run 45.2 in Doha at the World Indoors, but it didn't happen tactically on the day. So I'll take 0.75 seconds as a rough difference for me, especially as I'm inexperienced indoors. This means my 56.04 equates to around 55.34 outdoors. Given the fact my top 3 times outdoors are 54.88, 55.00 and 55.34, this is a satisfying start to the year. Hopefully by the end of indoors I'll whittle a good bit more time off that, and can be in PB shape, even if the actual indoor result isn't faster than my outdoor PB.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,695 ✭✭✭Chivito550


    Thursday: Gym

    A: Front Squats (w/ heels raised, and low depth): 3 x 6 @ 50kg, 52.5kg, 55kg
    B: Snatch Jumps (from below knees): 3 x 4 @ 30kg, 32.5kg, 35kg
    C1: Flat DB Press: 3 x 4 @ 27.5kg in each hand
    C2: DB Bent Over Row: 3 x 4 on each side @ 30kg
    D1: Floor Hip Thrusts: 3 x 8 on each leg
    D2: Dynamic Clam: 3 x 12 on each leg
    D3: Heel Raises: 3 x 8 on each leg @ 14kg

    Saturday: Track

    3 x (120, 80) with walk back recovery within sets, and 4 minutes plus walk back between sets. Good conditions, about 7 degrees, and cloudy, with not too much wind. Wore the sprint spikes for this.

    Sunday: Indoor track

    In Athlone this morning for a session on the indoor track. The first time I've had back to back track days since last summer. Session was 3 x 200m with around 5-6 minutes recovery. Coach told me to do them in 27 seconds, so hard, but not flat out. There were 8 of us so we ran 2 at a time, and kept it continuous, so I don't know the exact times of the recoveries, but I doubt we were far over the 5-6 minutes. Wore the sprint spikes for these. Left hamstring was a bit tight after yesterday so was a bit more cautious than I would otherwise have been, particularly on the first rep. Coach also told us to try out different lanes, to get practice in more than one.

    Rep 1: Lane 4, Three-point start, 85% effort, 27.8 seconds
    Rep 2: Lane 2, Block start, 90% effort, 27.4 seconds
    Rep 3: Lane 5, Block start, 95% effort, 27.3 seconds

    Times were very consistent, and were all bang on the 27 seconds which I was told to run. The first time would have been closer to the other 2 had I used blocks for that rep. Good to get practice in lane 2, in case I get drawn that lane at Leinsters or Nationals. It was fairly tight.

    Stuck around afterwards to do some volunteering for a pentathlon for the juvenilles which the club put on, so was working on the results for it. A great idea to put on such an event.

    Good news from a non-running point of view. Passed the exam I sat in December, so that's 13 down, just 1 to go before I'm qualified!


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,695 ✭✭✭Chivito550


    Monday: Gym

    BB Back Squat (with heels raised, with full depth): 3 x 6 @ 62.5kg, 65kg, 67.5kg
    Bench Hops: 3 x 4
    Split Squats: 2 x 6 @ 18kg in each hand
    Standing BB Shoulder Press: 4, 4 and 2 @ 37.5kg, 40kg, 42.5kg
    Chin-ups w/ Shoulder Retraction: 3 x 4 @ 8kg, 9kg, 10kg
    Bench Glute Thrusts: 3 x 8 on each leg
    Straight Leg Raises: 3 x 15 on each leg

    Did some planks afterwards. 4 x 2 minutes with 30 secs recoveries. Each 2 minutes was made up of 30 secs front, 30 left side, 30 right side, 30 front, all continuous.

    Delighted with this gym session. This was as tough as it has been. I'm 8 weeks into this programme now, so very happy to still be making improvements in each exercise. Usually each programme would only last 6 weeks, but with it starting around Christmas, and with the indoor season not over for a couple more weeks, it will extend on to 9 weeks in total. With next week being Nationals week I'll ease back the number of sets on this session.

    Wednesday: Grass

    An easy enough session this evening with most of us racing at the weekend. 2 x 3 laps of the GAA field, sprinting the widths, and jogging the lengths. Doing this session the other way around is rough going, but this way meant shorter sprints (12-13 seconds), and longer recoveries (around 90 seconds). It was effectively a 12 x 90m session, with a 3 minute recovery at half way. Didn't time these except for one or two.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,695 ✭✭✭Chivito550


    Thursday: Gym

    A: Front Squats (w/ heels raised, and low depth): 2 x 6 @ 55kg, 57.5kg
    B: Snatch Jumps (from below knees): 3 x 4 @ 32.5kg, 35kg, 37.5kg
    C1: Flat DB Press: 3 x 4 @ 27.5kg in each hand
    C2: DB Bent Over Row: 3 x 4 on each side @ 30kg
    D1: Floor Hip Thrusts: 2 x 8 on each leg
    D2: Dynamic Clam: 2 x 12 on each leg
    D3: Heel Raises: 2 x 8 on each leg @ 14kg

    Did a 4 minute plank after. I reduced the number of sets from 3 to 2 for most of the leg stuff because of I'm racing at the weekend.

    Saturday: Grass

    Our track session was cancelled due to the Dublin Juvenille Indoor Championships taking place (not sure how you can have an "indoor" event on an outdoor track, but there ya have it.) As most of us are racing tomorrow, we opted to do a light session individually. So I popped up to Marlay Park and did 6 x 60m fast strides on a GAA pitch, wearing the road running shoes.

    Leinster Championships are tomorrow. The 400m is at 10:25am, and then I have a long gap to the 200m which is at 4pm (assuming it all runs on time, which it almost certainly wont!).


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,695 ✭✭✭Chivito550


    56.60 for the 400m at Leinsters this morning, 0.56 down on my run at the AAI Games. Solid but very unspectacular, and overall a bit disappointing. 400m indoor running is an art that I'm not near mastering. It's the only distance which is fundamentally different between outdoor and indoor. Another crack at the 55 at Nationals next weekend, and Connachts the weekend after if needs be.

    Running the 200m later today, at around 4pm. A fair big gap between races.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,695 ✭✭✭Chivito550


    25.66 in the 200m, just 0.24 off my outdoor PB, though that outdoor PB is a bit soft, and I was in the favourable lane 6. Very happy with the run though.

    Long day, time for a beer!


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,695 ✭✭✭Chivito550


    My first ever appearance at a provincial championship in Ireland, indoor or out, was the Leinster Indoor Championships, a last chance to race before Nationals next weekend. On the menu was a 400m in the morning, and a 200m in the late afternoon.

    400m:

    15 were entered for the men's senior 400m, but only 10 showed up. Rather than going through the hassle of heats and finals, the event was run as timed finals, seeded based on expected time. I was in the second heat, and drew lane 5. I didn't know anything about my competitors except for a training partner of mine, inside me in lane 4. He's run 52 seconds at his best, though doesn't race much these days. I've been reasonably close to him in many of the training sessions of late.

    We were kept in our blocks for ages before the starter said "set", which was a little inconvenient. Eventually we got away, and I pushed hard the first 50, using the downhill bit to build up speed down the backstraight. After about 50m, my training partner eats up the stagger on me, and the other 2 guys inside me do likewise very soon after. I try to cruise quickly like I do outdoors, but perhaps in hindsight, this is not the way to run this part of the race indoors, as I may have lost a bit of momentum running up the slope of the bend, and perhaps I need to attack this bend a bit more next time. As I enter the home straight, and reach the break, I am well down on the rest of the field, still in fast cruise mode, using the downslope to keep the speed up.

    I up the effort levels at the half way mark, and as I come to the start of the backstraight with 150m to go I feel I am motoring, and staying strong, and the Japanese lad, who went out like a rocket, is dying a death, and coming back towards me. I drive as hard as possible around the final bend, and as I move into the straight, I considered moving out to lane 2, but realised I wasn't going to catch the guy in front, so stayed in lane 1. I finished about 6m down on him, and about 15m down on my training partner.

    I was exhausted afterwards, and I felt I gave everything, but at the same time I didn't really expect it to be super fast. At the same time, I was close enough to my training partner, which I thought might be a good omen. In the end it wasn't. I finished 5th of 5 in my heat, and 10th of 10 overall, with a time of 56.60 seconds, 0.56 down on my indoor PB set 2 weeks ago at AAI Games.

    It was a solid run, but I'm still very inexperienced at indoor 400m running. I need to be quicker through the first 200m, and in particular during the part from 100-160, going around that bend. The event is so different from the outdoor version, more so than any other distance. I have Nationals next weekend, where I hope to nail that 55, with the option of running Connacht Championships the following weekend, if I need another shot at it.

    200m:

    I had a very long wait, of about 5 and a half hours, before my 200m. I passed the time by watching some of my training partners in their various events, and having a bit of a lie down.

    There were 10 of us in the 200m originally, though somebody showed up randomly at the last minute to make it 11. The officials gave us the option of having heats and finals, or timed finals. Not once of us wanted more than one race, so we went with the latter. The officials said that we will have 2 races of 5, so a couple of us will have to have lane 2. I asked if we could do 3 heats instead, to spare everyone lane 2, and they obliged. These guys were dead sound, and it was a very flexible and athlete friendly way of officiating. Top marks

    On the contrary, we were brought out way too early from the call room to the track, and had to sit through lots of junior races before ours. The hurdles were set up on the 60m track also, so we couldn't use this to keep warm, so I used the backstraight in between races.

    I was in heat 3, lane 6, and there were 3 other lads inside me. I spent a bit of time chatting with the guy who was in lane 5, while we were waiting for our race. He's a bit like me, only taking up the sport in recent years, during adulthood. His 200m PB is 24.9, but he didn't say whether that was indoor or outdoor, so I assume outdoor. I wasn't particularly nervous at all before this race as it didn't matter hugely in the grand scheme of things, and I was much more relaxed than I was before the 400m.

    The outer lanes are really awkward when setting up the blocks, as it is easy to loose balance on such a slope. But once you start running its fine. Gun went off, and I drove out hard, using the lovely downslope to power onto the backstraight. Half way down the back straight the lad in lane 5 goes past me, and opens up a few more metres on me by the time I hit the bend. I drive into it hard, and I'm starting to close on him coming around it. Half way around the bend, a lad in lane 3 eats up the stagger on me, and hits the straight in the lead. I drive down off the bend into the homestraight and am catching the lad in lane 5 with every stride. I thought I was going to catch him, but I just ran out of track and he held on. The race was won in 25.21, with the lad beside me running 25.62, with myself in 3rd in 25.66 seconds, with the guy in lane 4 in 26.2x. It was a good competitive race.

    This was possibly the best 200m race I have run. It was just 0.24 slower than my outdoor PB, though it has to be said my outdoor best is soft, and I didn't run many during the summer season last year, and I always seem to get annoying winds in 200m races outdoors. Also, there can be no denying how nice a lane draw I got. Lane 6 is such an advantage over lane 2 or 3 for example. You start about a metre and a half above where you finish, you get a downhill start to build up speed, and although you have to run uphill on the second bend, you have build up so much speed from the downhill start that you don't realise it. And then, just when you are starting to tire towards the end, you get another downhill boost to take you to the line. I can see why the 200m has been taken off the World and European Indoor Championship programme!

    So overall, a good day. Not brilliant, but good. Hopefully it sets me up for a good Nationals next weekend, where I will just be running the 400m.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,695 ✭✭✭Chivito550


    Monday: Gym

    With Nationals coming up I did just 2 sets of the leg exercises instead of 3, and 1 set of the split squats instead of 2.

    BB Back Squat (with heels raised, with full depth): 2 x 6 @ 65kg, 67.5kg
    Bench Hops: 2 x 4
    Split Squats: 1 x 6 @ 18kg in each hand
    Standing BB Shoulder Press: 4, 3 and 3 @ 37.5kg, 40kg, 40kg
    Chin-ups w/ Shoulder Retraction: 4, 4 and 2 @ 8kg, 9kg, 10kg
    Bench Glute Thrusts: 2 x 8 on each leg
    Straight Leg Raises: 2 x 15 on each leg

    Wednesday: Grass & Massage

    Easy enough session with Nationals three days later. 5 laps of the GAA pitch, sprinting the widths and jogging the lengths. So basically 10 x 90m, with about 90 secs recoveries. Didn't time these. Had a massage afterwards.

    Friday: Grass

    I skipped my Thursday gym session, with it being so close to a big race. However, I didn't want 2 days of inactivity leading into it, so I did a warm up routine with 6 strides on grass at lunchtime today.

    So all set for National Indoors tomorrow. Going to try enjoy it as these days don't happen that often.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,695 ✭✭✭Chivito550


    56.04 in National Indoors, an equal indoor PB, the exact same time as AAI Games, from the exact same lane. Happy with how I ran. Attacked the first 200 much more than before. Just frustrated to miss the sub 56 again by such a tiny margin. One last crack at it next weekend at the Connachts.

    Was nice to not come last also. Finished 4th of 5 in my heat.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,695 ✭✭✭Chivito550


    The main event of the winter, my first ever appearance at a National Indoor Championships, and only my second at any National Championships. Last time out, I broke that illusive 55 second barrier for the first time, running 54.88 at the National Outdoors in Santry last July. This time out I was after an equivalent mark indoors, a sub 56.

    Build up:

    The lead in to this event has been a big learning curve. Before December I had never set foot on an indoor track before. It was a whole new experience, and very different to outdoor running, particularly over 400m. After some good run outs over 60m, 300m and 800m early indoor season, I ran my first ever indoor 400m at the Welsh Championships, recording 56.97 on a tight track. Two weeks later was my first 400m race in Athlone, where I had to drop out on the second lap at the National League Round 2, due to calf spasms. The following day went much better, a 56.04 at the AAI Games. Then last weekend I recorded a solid, but very average 56.60 at the Leinster Championships. On this occasion, with it being Nationals, I was hoping to push on, and dip under that 56 second barrier.

    Race Day:

    I was nervous as always. It's like a pre-race ritual. However, I was determined to enjoy the whole experience at the same time. It's always a great experience to get to take part in the same competition as the very best 400m runners in Ireland.

    I began my warm up a bit earlier than normal, to allow plenty of time for the call room procedure, to which I would be called to 25 minutes before my race. In the middle of my warm up the start lists go up, and I am in heat 2 of 6, in lane 4, so now I knew the exact time I would be needed in the call room. I was delighted with the draw. An early heat was preferable, as it avoided the need to drag out my warm up for up to another 20 minutes.

    The call room itself was pretty uneventful. Not much chat among competitors, nor would you expect there to be. Dara Kervick was in the heat before me, and looked very relaxed, no doubt confident he was in top shape to do serious damage. The rest just appeared to be lost in their own little worlds, staring into space.

    We got called down and as I walk towards the back straight, and the entry area for athletes onto the track, I catch a glimpse of my coach, who gives me very simple advice: Get out fast. I knew this anyway, but I kept the words in the forefront of my mind.

    We had to wait outside the track, until after heat 1. We all stand there quietly; half watching, half concentrating on what was to come. Then comes a big roar from the crowd. Kervick hits the European Indoor qualifier with a 46.80. I'd be lying if I said this didn't give a very small extra lift.

    400m:

    As you would expect, the 400m was fairly loaded. Yes Brian Gregan, Thomas Barr, and Richard Morrissey were absent, but the overall depth was strong, and my heat was to be no exception. Paul Murphy was on the outside (eventual silver medalist). There was a lad from Crusaders in lane 2, who has been running around 51 seconds. The other 2 I didn't know anything about.

    The gun goes off, and I feel my reaction time was a small bit sluggish, but I drove hard thereafter, and picked up pace nicely. The guy in lane 2 ate up the stagger on me quickly, but overall I felt I was staying relatively closely during these first 100m. After a flat out first 60m or so, I relaxed for a very brief period of about 20-30m, before upping the effort levels into the bend, to make sure to drive hard up that slope. A guy in lane 3 eats up the stagger on me at some point on the bend, but he's not overly far ahead of me. Perhaps I won't be running on my own like I assumed.

    I keep pushing around the bend, but when I hit the break I make sure to use the straight as my main cruise period of the race. I hit the bell about 7m down on the guy in front of me, and by this point the other guys are not even in my frame of vision. As far as I'm concerned now, it's me versus this random guy. I have no idea who he is, but I don't care. As I cross the half way mark I see 26 on the clock. Now this could be 26 high for all I know, but I really did feel like I went out hard, the hardest I have done to date.

    I begin to kick coming around the bend at the start of the second lap, and I notice myself beginning to gradually get closer to the guy ahead. As I hit the straight with 150m to go, I am beginning to hurt, but I hear my coach shout out "focus". I drive hard down the backstraight and am now really reeling him in. As I hit the bend I am beginning to feel jaded, no doubt suffering from the faster first 200m. But I also know this guy is for the taking. He is falling back now, and I am caught in two minds: Do I sit in behind him and wait until the final straight to go past him, so not to run extra metres, but risk slowing my pace, or do I try go around him. What I opted for was the latter, but rather than moving out into lane 2, I edged my way to the extreme end of lane 1, so to minimise the damage of running extra metres.

    I move past him coming off the final bend and I know there is no way he will respond down the straight, and I end up taking him by a comfortable 0.7 seconds. The last 20m of this race was a bit bizarre. It was like my brain left my body briefly, wasn't focusing, thought the race was over, while my body just pushed as hard as it could on autopilot. It is hard to explain, and it has never happened before. Perhaps a sign of how utterly shattered I was in the closing stages.

    I was in complete agony afterwards, head hurled over the edge of the advertising hording for about 45 seconds, before I somehow managed to move myself, so heat 3 could get going. I moved into the inside of the track and threw myself to the ground. In my hazy state I looked around for my water and sports drink, as well as my spike bag and t-shirt, all of which I just dumped inside the track interior before my race. I couldn't see them. I was confused. Then I see 2 kids walking around holding baskets with my stuff in them. I tried my best to signal towards them in the English language that they were mine, but it must have come out sounding like a mixture of Icelandic and Korean, as they had no idea what I was trying to say to them. Eventually they got the point, and I relieved them of the baskets.

    I knew I gave absolutely everything, and at first I thought I had to have nailed the 55 because of how hard it felt and how fast I went out. But the more I thought about it, I also felt I slowed more on the second lap that previous weeks, and this may have been hidden by the fact I passed that other guy out. I felt there was a period coming around that final bend where I could have pushed a tiny bit harder, but fatigue stopped me from trying.

    Coach told me it was a good run, and he reckoned high 55, low 56. The results confirmed this, a clocking of 56.04 seconds, equaling my indoor PB from 3 weeks ago at the AAI Games. My initial response was of frustration that I recorded the exact same time, and that I again missed out on sub 56 by a stupidly small margin. But once I took a bit of time, I was pleased overall. I ran a good race, attacked it hard, and ran a very fast time for me, in one of the showpiece events of the year. I still think 0.9 to 1 second is a reasonable difference between indoor and outdoor 400m, certainly for me, given my inexperience indoors. I've twice now shown that I am in low 55 shape, which is not far off my PB, which has to be a good sign at this time of the year.

    I however, don't want to give up on the indoor 55 just yet, so I will have one last go at it next week at the Connacht Championships. If I get it, it will be a lovely end to the indoor season. If I don't, I won't beat myself up over it.

    Overall I finished 25th out of the 26 runners, although one guy ahead ended up being DQ'ed, so I guess I was 24th, not that I would be claiming that as a victory. I wanted to finish ahead of a few athletes, so to sort of show I could be competitive at the back end of an event of this quality. I'm a little disappointed that I just got ahead of the one guy, as there were guys in other heats who ran 55.98, and 55.50, but I was close to them, so happy with that. It's nice not to come last in Nationals!

    A very random fact also about the men's 400m. I was actually the oldest of all the competitors. At a few months before my 30th birthday, I don't consider myself old, nor have I felt younger and fitter ever to be honest. But the fact remains, I was older than every single competitor in the field this weekend.

    It was a great 2 days of competition. We had a couple of medals in our training group, in the women's high jump and women's 400m, which I got a good kick out of watching. There was also the complete randomness of Asafa Powell hanging about for the two days of competition. I have no idea why he was there. Nobody was even looking at him. He was just wandering around by himself, not really knowing what to do. He looked like a lost puppy. I actually felt a bit sorry for him. I'm not sure if I should have, but I did.

    So another great experience, and so nearly a perfect result.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,623 ✭✭✭dna_leri


    Chivito550 wrote: »
    56.04 in National Indoors, an equal indoor PB, the exact same time as AAI Games, from the exact same lane. Happy with how I ran. Attacked the first 200 much more than before. Just frustrated to miss the sub 56 again by such a tiny margin. One last crack at it next weekend at the Connachts.

    .

    Well done.
    Are you sure if there will be electronic timing at the Connachts ?


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