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"Petrol Stretching" In East Mayo

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  • 17-09-2014 1:35am
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    Registered Users Posts: 2,463 ✭✭✭


    Serious number of people at the meeting tonight in Gateway Hotel Swinford about #petrolstretching in Swinford. Over 70 claims to one insurance company from Swinford area alone. On a survey from people coming to the meeting tonight, 29 affected from 1 garage and 19 from another garage. There were people there from Roscommon, Foxford, Charlestown Ballina and numerous other towns, I could not hear. I only got as far as the hallway! Figures quoted are from the chairman of the committee who gathered the names and is handing them into An Garda.

    1st report was on 8th of August last, but contamination was going on since June/July. Seems to be mostly newer cars, 08 upwards. Also motorbikes, quads, lawnmowers and strimmers.

    An Garda was present but not customs & excise or revenue. There was also a representative from two petrol stations present as well as Cllr Michael Smyth, Cllr Annie Mae Reape, Michelle Mulhern TD, Dara Callery TD were some of the elected representitives present. This is going to get bigger, a lot more counties affected also, mostly in the BMW region.

    Some insurance companies have paid out but they have now refused to cover the costs, according to numerous victims speaking from the floor.

    There was a reporter and photographer from the Western People there at the meeting also.

    More info on the motors thread;

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057278358


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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators, Regional West Moderators Posts: 16,722 Mod ✭✭✭✭yop


    Mod Note: No naming of any petrol stations please


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,405 ✭✭✭irishgeo


    would it be possible to bring the stations in question to the small claims court?


  • Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,793 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    irishgeo wrote: »
    would it be possible to bring the stations in question to the small claims court?

    Dubious. Could you prove that they were guilty? If the proof is there, there's a criminal case to answer; if there's no proof, you'll probably lose.


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators, Regional West Moderators Posts: 16,722 Mod ✭✭✭✭yop


    irishgeo wrote: »
    would it be possible to bring the stations in question to the small claims court?

    There was a section about it there on Midwest this morning, have a listen. That was brought up but there was no evidence since the fuel was probably sold in June/July and the issues with the engines didn't appear til after, so the problem fuel is gone out of the tanks. Trying to prove it seems impossible. :(


  • Registered Users Posts: 556 ✭✭✭Carson10


    Drove though Ballyhaunis this week. Didnt notice any petrol stretching **Irrelevant to the topic.**


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,507 ✭✭✭Buona Fortuna


    yop wrote: »
    There was a section about it there on Midwest this morning, have a listen. That was brought up but there was no evidence since the fuel was probably sold in June/July and the issues with the engines didn't appear til after, so the problem fuel is gone out of the tanks. Trying to prove it seems impossible. :(

    There was a similar thing with a supermarket in England that sold petrol. The fuel damaged the cat converters. I believe that after some time they paid out.

    It obviously needed people to be able to prove where they filled up and how often and to get together with other similarly affected.

    Personally I fill up anywhere I feel like it so probably wouldn't have any chance of any rederess.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,405 ✭✭✭irishgeo


    more petrol stretching has occurred in foxford.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,167 ✭✭✭TopTec


    irishgeo wrote: »
    more petrol stretching has occurred in foxford.

    When? Where? How do you know? I was in Foxford this PM and nearly used the station in Chapel Road.

    TT


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,405 ✭✭✭irishgeo


    TopTec wrote: »
    When? Where? How do you know? I was in Foxford this PM and nearly used the station in Chapel Road.

    TT

    A lad from work told me who is from foxford, i am not allowded name names

    the last few weeks apparently.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9 Paul Ryan


    I have just setup facebook page "Petrol Stretching Victims Ireland" to share info with other people effected.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,463 ✭✭✭mayo.mick




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,907 ✭✭✭woody1


    pulled into one of the petrol stations in foxford yesterday and all the petrol pump handles were tied up with out of use written on them,


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,504 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    woody1 wrote: »
    pulled into one of the petrol stations in foxford yesterday and all the petrol pump handles were tied up with out of use written on them,

    common occurrence over the last while.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,463 ✭✭✭mayo.mick


    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/provo-gangs-run-petrol-stretching-fuel-scam-30674899.html

    The petrol "stretching" scam that has destroyed hundreds of new car engines this year is controlled by former IRA gangs based in south Armagh, the Sunday Independent has learned.

    The same gangs turned away from the once highly profitable "washing" of dye from smuggled diesel after Irish and UK governments agreed on the introduction of a fail-safe radioactive isotope dye at the start of this year.

    They are now smuggling and selling huge amounts of adulterated petrol, which is destroying engines in new- model, high-efficiency cars at a cost of around €4,000 to €5,000 in repairs or engine replacement a time. Industry sources say it takes up to a week to clean an engine gummed up with the residue from the kerosene and methanol adulterants.

    The south Armagh IRA smugglers are now lacing petrol with what gardai say is "Northern kerosene", the clear kerosene or paraffin which they buy cheaply in Northern Ireland and mix along with methanol to "stretch" legitimate petrol.

    The current "stretch" is said to be 20pc kerosene and 5pc methanol per litre of "petrol".

    At current filling station rates, it is estimated the Provos are undercutting the legitimate market by around 45c to 47c a litre and making €15,000 clear profit per 3,000- litre tanker delivery.

    Customs and gardai have identified a number of filling stations around the country that were bought up by the south Armagh gangs with their multi-millions in profits from diesel washing.

    Gardai say the bulk of the smugglers' income is now composed of the adulterated petrol and the simple smuggling of diesel northwards across the Border. With the decline in value of the euro against Sterling, straightforward smuggling is netting the south Armagh gangs profits similar to that being made on the adulterated petrol.

    The Sunday Independent last week witnessed fuel tankers being filled in south Armagh and one driving - illegally - across the Border. The area where the main fuel smuggling operations are contained is known locally as "Shatt al-Arab" after the main oil terminal in the Persian Gulf, due to the number of fuel operations there.

    The latest slew of damaged car engines is in Mayo, where gardai say they have passed 86 complaints on to the Customs Service for analysis.

    Despite the massive costs involved in damage to car engines and the loss of revenue to the State, no prosecutions have taken place so far, though gardai and customs are aware of most of the outlets where the adulterated petrol is being sold.

    Mayo Fine Gael TD Michelle Mulherin has called on Justice Minister Francis Fitzgerald to take action against the gangs responsible for causing such huge costs to car owners, who are finding that their insurance does not cover damage caused by the adulterated petrol.

    Last month, Ms Mulherin accused Sinn Fein of avoiding a public meeting in Swinford, Co Mayo, attended by 400 people angered by the damage being caused by the adulterated petrol.

    Speaking in the Dail later, Ms Mulherin said: "It begs the question whether Sinn Fein condones the practice. I ask if it could be intrinsically associated with the fact that the IRA has been oft associated with fuel laundering. We know of the very close ties of Sinn Fein with the IRA. I wondered with great interest on the night [of the public meeting]whether it is condoning what is going on."

    Sinn Fein denied Ms Mulherin's accusation and accused her of "blatant electioneering". It also pointed out that one of its local representatives did attend the Swinford meeting.

    Customs sources have told the Sunday Independent that over the past decade the south Armagh fuel gangs have bought well over 100 filling stations around the country, and they suspect many of these are now being used to sell the adulterated petrol.

    The damage caused by the adulterants happens when the gum forms into a harder crust inside the engine, causing the engine to fail. Industry sources said it takes a full day's labour to disassemble one of the modern engines, another full day to clean it by hand and another day at least to put it back together again.

    Mechanics are telling car owners it would be cheaper and more efficient to simply dump the engine and buy a second-hand engine from a damaged car as a replacement.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,463 ✭✭✭mayo.mick


    Another meeting regarding petrol stretching in east Mayo next Monday 27th October in the Gateway Hotel Swinford at 8.30.
    A second public meeting on the issue of petrol stretching takes place next Monday, October 27th, in the Gateway Hotel in Swinford at 8.30p.m.
    This meeting is a follow up on the previous meeting which was held on the Sept 16th when almost 400 people attended.
    Local politicians, gardai, forecourt attendants, Customs and Revenue and the general public are all invited.
    Anyone affected by Engine Failure due to contaminated petrol is encouraged to attend as the organisers of the meeting believe that in numbers, the matter will have to be addressed at national level.
    Steve Cawley is one of the organisers of the meeting and told Midwest News that 5 weeks down the line – most people impacted by petrol stretching remain concerned and at a significant financial loss.
    For further information you can Contact Steve on Bernard on or or Paddy McNulty on PM FOR THE NUMBERS


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,463 ✭✭✭mayo.mick


    At the meeting last night (of over 300) in the gateway hotel in Swinford, the garda said there were 167 statements taken from people in the Swinford area, whose cars were destroyed by petrol stretching. Yet the revenue representative said there were only 15 cases reported in Mayo!

    One petrol station operator caught up in this has said that the delivery he got which might have been the cause, was a "split load". The same tanker delivered to Tulsk and Foxford also, those stations are also affected.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,463 ✭✭✭mayo.mick


    http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/petrol-stretching-revenue-arent-doing-enough-about-this-at-all-295983.html

    90 cases reported to Revenue????? There were 167 cases reported to Swinford Gardai alone, and that was up to last week, more cases since then.

    Another thread over in the motors section, http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057278358


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,405 ✭✭✭irishgeo


    mayo.mick wrote: »
    http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/petrol-stretching-revenue-arent-doing-enough-about-this-at-all-295983.html

    90 cases reported to Revenue????? There were 167 cases reported to Swinford Gardai alone, and that was up to last week, more cases since then.

    Another thread over in the motors section, http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057278358

    and surprisingly they are not going to f all about it.

    how are the insurance companies allowed to weasel their way out of covering it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,463 ✭✭✭mayo.mick




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,180 ✭✭✭hfallada


    Why does Petrol Stretching and washed Diesel only really occur in the West. I have never heard of everyone in Dublin talk about either. But my Uncle is always on about washed Diesel in Sligo. Is it due to the fact, the west has more independent garages? Where as they are all chains in Dublin?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,463 ✭✭✭mayo.mick


    http://www.mayonews.ie/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=21086:tourist-latest-victim-of-swinford-petrol-stretching&catid=23:news&Itemid=46
    The Oireachtas Joint Committee on Transport and Communications has this morning raised grave concerns around the prevalence of petrol stretching, and its impact on families in Border, Midlands and Western counties in particular.

    3 December 2014

    Officials from the Revenue Commissioners were appearing before the Committee to discuss recent trends of the practice that involves the adding of kerosene to petrol. Revenue officials told the Committee that they have found no evidence of a systemic problem with regard to the practice, but are aware of localised instances in certain parts of the country.

    Chairman of the Committee John O’Mahony TD says: “This morning’s meeting with Revenue Officials was a valuable opportunity to assess the prevalence of this form of fuel fraud, which has left drivers with huge repair bills from damaged engines. Anecdotal evidence presented by Committee Members from range of constituencies would indicate a worrying trend across Border, Midland and Western counties. Members outlined how in many cases, two cars in the one household might have been damaged by petrol from the same filling station, leaving families with a heavy financial burden.

    “While we take on board assurances that Revenue believe they are adequately equipped to tackle the problem, Committee Members are nonetheless gravely concerned at the prevalence of the practice on the ground. The Committee heard that complaints to Revenue about the practice have tapered off recently, but of course this provides little consolation to those drivers adversely impacted by the crime this year. Fuel laundering is a longstanding concern of the Committee, and we will continue to explore how to ensure this particular practice might be curbed over a series of hearings in the coming weeks.”


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,405 ✭✭✭irishgeo


    Is it not possible to bring cases to the small claims court?


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,463 ✭✭✭mayo.mick


    There is no major update on the Customs Service investigation into petrol stretching.
    That’s according to Mayo Fianna Fail Deputy Dara Calleary.
    Deputy Calleary raised the issue of petrol stretching during a recent Dail debate on the reform of the Customs Service.
    However he was informed by Minster Simon Harris that there is no update on the investigation.
    Deputy Calleary says that many people affected by the issue have been left in limbo, 6 months on from the first reports of petrol stretching.
    While many motorists have received insurance payments for damage sustained to their cars, some have lost their no-claims bonuses.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,597 ✭✭✭corsav6


    mayo.mick wrote: »
    There is no major update on the Customs Service investigation into petrol stretching.
    That’s according to Mayo Fianna Fail Deputy Dara Calleary.
    Deputy Calleary raised the issue of petrol stretching during a recent Dail debate on the reform of the Customs Service.
    However he was informed by Minster Simon Harris that there is no update on the investigation.
    Deputy Calleary says that many people affected by the issue have been left in limbo, 6 months on from the first reports of petrol stretching.
    While many motorists have received insurance payments for damage sustained to their cars, some have lost their no-claims bonuses.

    Branding has been removed from a petrol station in foxford, a cheap sign has been put up displaying the owners name instead. This is the same place that had their pumps tied up a few months ago.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,769 Mod ✭✭✭✭nuac


    mayo.mick wrote: »

    All "good republicans" no doubt, as defined by Gerry Adams


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,072 ✭✭✭mass_debater


    In fairness the Sindo have a huge anti Sinn Fein agenda, greedy garage owners are to blame, trying to maximise their profits


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,504 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    corsav6 wrote: »
    Branding has been removed from a petrol station in foxford, a cheap sign has been put up displaying the owners name instead. This is the same place that had their pumps tied up a few months ago.

    Those pumps are still tied up.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,769 Mod ✭✭✭✭nuac


    In fairness the Sindo have a huge anti Sinn Fein agenda, greedy garage owners are to blame, trying to maximise their profits

    So nothing at all at all to do with those who ran the diesel laundering scams?

    Is it all down to "greedy garage owners"?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,072 ✭✭✭mass_debater


    nuac wrote: »
    So nothing at all at all to do with those who ran the diesel laundering scams?

    Is it all down to "greedy garage owners"?

    You have no proof of where it came from only an idea from gathered evidence of where it was sold so yes we are dealing with the greedy garage owners who created the market for it. Sindo as usual are trying to turn it into a political stick to beat SF with, they have no proof and neither do you, all conjecture.


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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,769 Mod ✭✭✭✭nuac


    You have no proof of where it came from only an idea from gathered evidence of where it was sold so yes we are dealing with the greedy garage owners who created the market for it. Sindo as usual are trying to turn it into a political stick to beat SF with, they have no proof and neither do you, all conjecture.

    That stuff did not fall from the sky.

    I have heard of one group only who were engaged in fuel laundering.

    Therefore imho there is some basis for at least suggesting that that group be investigated about these crimes


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