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Afghan woman offered jail release if she will marry rapist...

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,717 ✭✭✭Raging_Ninja


    ejmaztec wrote: »
    It might be part of their culture, but no-one in their right mind would respect it.

    i was trying to be satirical :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,314 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    i was trying to be satirical :(


    :(


    :p


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭Freddie59


    Farold wrote: »
    Does it? I mean the Catholic church knowingly allowed priests to operate who were raping children and then when things got too hot they simply moved them to other churches knowing that they would probably rape other children.

    Similarly, before people blame Islam they might want to see what people are doing in the name of christianity in Africa. Its a combination of poverty and a lack of education that turns people barbaric, not religion.

    Muslim autocracies don't want their people educated because it threatens their power. Thats why even rich Muslim countries prioritize religious education rather than actual education. If you learn nothing but the LITERAL interpretation of the Koran then your going to carry it out exactly as it says. If one was to carry out the LITERAL interpretation of the bible (as is happening in parts of Africa) your going to have similar atrocities. Thankfully though, christianity is basically dead in the christian world and democracy reigns supreme.

    In your dreams my friend.:)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    Freddie59 wrote: »
    It would make you wonder why.
    Probably something to do with the assumption that they're all either terrorists or rapists. ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭Freddie59


    El Weirdo wrote: »
    Ah great, another thread about Islam where anyone who points out the simple fact that not all Muslims would support this disgusting behaviour is branded as a supporter of rape and the treatment of women as property by Freddie59.

    Another day in AH, then.

    Too true. The debate is about the debasing of a woman by a so-called "peaceful religion" yet the usual suspects trot on here to defend it, and take a snide sidewsipe at the Catholic Church in the process. Nothing changes indeed.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,314 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    How many of these "quaint" customs are actually included in the Islamic religious rules/guff, or are they just tribal customs that existed even before Islam kicked off?:confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,647 ✭✭✭✭El Weirdo


    Freddie59 wrote: »
    Too true. The debate is about the debasing of a woman by a so-called "peaceful religion" yet the usual suspects trot on here to defend it, and take a snide sidewsipe at the Catholic Church in the process. Nothing changes indeed.
    No. The debate is about the debasing of a woman by some members of a so-called "peaceful religion.

    I'm guessing that you are a Christian. In that case, using your flawed logic and not knowing what particular flavour of Christianity you practice, I will go ahead and say that you are in support of the cover-up of the systematic rape of children perpetrated by priests and that you also agree that the Westboro Baptist church are right to picket the funerals of US soldiers and victims of anti-gay hate crimes.

    Edit: Actually, there is no debate here. No one is defending the actions taken against this woman. If you think there is, I'd like you to point them out to me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,447 ✭✭✭✭El Guapo!


    In Ireland, the Catholic Church reigned over years of terror & sexual abuse of children & then covered it up.

    Then they got the government to protect them by limiting the amount of compensation they had to pay to it's abuse victims. And these days, they are still allowed to run the majority of schools in the country.

    Now, while what happens in other parts of the world might be "fucking backwards & retarded", people who live in glass houses really shouldn't throw stones.

    While I fully agree what happened here with the catholic church is horrendous, that was the actions of sick and twisted individuals and not written into religious law that it's right.
    A lot of the islamic religion is back in the stone age where women are 2nd class citizens etc. And this story just solidifies the fact that something needs to be done to save innocent people from suffering at the hands of the extremist rulers of their country.
    This is 2011 and stories such as this, and of women being whipped/stoned for literally no reason, should not be allowed to happen.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    Dean09 wrote: »
    While I fully agree what happened here with the catholic church is horrendous, that was the actions of sick and twisted individuals and not written into religious law that it's right.
    A lot of the islamic religion is back in the stone age where women are 2nd class citizens etc. And this story just solidifies the fact that something needs to be done to save innocent people from suffering at the hands of the extremist rulers of their country.
    This is 2011 and stories such as this, and of women being whipped/stoned for literally no reason, should not be allowed to happen.
    I suggest you read some of the Bible. There's a hell of a lot of horrific stuff that it demands it's followers do. And many sects of Christianity have no problem following these bizarre demands. But most Christians are perfectly able to know what should and shouldn't be done. This is mainly due to education; something that not many Middle Eastern region leaders want their people to have.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,745 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    humanji wrote: »
    I suggest you read some of the Bible. There's a hell of a lot of horrific stuff that it demands it's followers do. And many sects of Christianity have no problem following these bizarre demands. But most Christians are perfectly able to know what should and shouldn't be done. This is mainly due to education; something that not many Middle Eastern region leaders want their people to have.
    This exact thing (a girl being forced to marry her rapist) is prescribed in the bible as what should happen after a rape. Thankfully christianity has moved on from that horrific practise now.

    I feel so sorry for this poor girl; she really is in an impossible situation. I long for the day when muslim women rise up as one and stop standing for this kind of treatment.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,227 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    The first thing I thought when I read about this was how many soldiers have died in Afghanistan and how supposedly the new regime would be a major improvement on the old Taliban regime.
    It looks as if not all that much has changed.

    If I was a western soldier based there or had family members who had died or been wounded there I would just ask "what the fook was it all for ?".

    There are enlightened and moderate muslims out there, indeed Afghanistan was not so bad until the Soviets stuck their nose in.
    But the rise of radical Islam and the adoption and continuation of frankly backward discriminatory traditions in some muslim areas of the world is quiet scary.
    Oh and it is just not muslims who may have discriminatory backward traditions as evidenced by some of the stuff that happens in India, Africa or indeed parts of Europe.

    What makes it even worse is that some people who have moved to the west actually believe that they should be able to carry out the same backward traditions here.

    AFAIK there have been a few honour killings in this part of the world and there is no way that type of cr** should be tolerated.

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 34,808 ✭✭✭✭smash


    jmayo wrote: »
    If I was a western soldier based there or had family members who had died or been wounded there I would just ask "what the fook was it all for ?".

    Opium.

    Off to the conspiracy forum...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,314 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    jmayo wrote: »
    What makes it even worse is that some people who have moved to the west actually believe that they should be able to carry out the same backward traditions here.

    AFAIK there have been a few honour killings in this part of the world and there is no way that type of cr** should be tolerated.

    This is the closest thing we've got to time-travel on this planet, with a lot of people travelling from some god-forsaken hole in the 15th century, straight to the 21st century in a matter of hours.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 34,808 ✭✭✭✭smash


    When my son was 4 a Muslim woman walked past us in Stephen's Green covered head to toe in black. Only her eyes were visible. He asked why she was dressed like that and it's a bit hard to explain the sexist backwards ways of a religious nut to a 4 year old so I just told him she was a ninja.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 332 ✭✭Shattered Dreamer


    Freddie59 wrote: »
    Yes they have and they do. And it is equally inexcusable. Glad to see you mentioned the Crusades - something that belongs in the Middle Ages - along with the Islamic "religion". I see you have not condemned the actions in this case in your rush to judge the Catholic Church. Well done.:rolleyes: I take it you are neither married nor have children?




    It would make you wonder why.

    Outright condemnation of anybodies religious belief regardless of how backward is petty & small minded. I might not have a wife or children but who are you to judge me? I no longer practice Catholicism because the Vatican & the Pope protect paedophiles & I don't believe people that do such should decide what my morals should be. Just because I don't go around screaming "down with the Catholic church" doesn't mean I agree with the behaviour they basically condone by not allowing the proper authorities to deal with these "sickos".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    smash wrote: »
    When my son was 4 a Muslim woman walked past us in Stephen's Green covered head to toe in black. Only her eyes were visible. He asked why she was dressed like that and it's a bit hard to explain the sexist backwards ways of a religious nut to a 4 year old so I just told him she was a ninja.
    You could have just said she's dressed how she wants to be dressed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,647 ✭✭✭✭El Weirdo


    humanji wrote: »
    You could have just said she's dressed how she wants to be dressed.
    No humanji! They are all forced to dress like that. All of them. ALL! Every last one of them. Without exception.

    ALL OF THEM!!!!!!ONE1!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 34,808 ✭✭✭✭smash


    humanji wrote: »
    You could have just said she's dressed how she wants to be dressed.
    That's boring for kids... I wanted to make it a bit interesting.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 952 ✭✭✭shangri la


    Islam, like the sh1te in the bible is written so that it is completely open to each persons interpretation just like mystic megs advice. there will be sensible folks and then there are the ones from leitrim who take things too literally.

    I agree, human rights groups should avoid this political correctness boll0x that allows peoples beliefs to lower a persons quality of life (but who judges if a person is worse off).... Leitrim folk think its great fun to jump into a puddle in a bog and end up swallowing that water which cant be good. i hear the Germans like to p1ss on eachother.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    smash wrote: »
    That's boring for kids... I wanted to make it a bit interesting.
    But now your kid lives in constant fear that ninjas are stalking the streets, possibly hunting him down! :P


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,227 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    ejmaztec wrote: »
    This is the closest thing we've got to time-travel on this planet, with a lot of people travelling from some god-forsaken hole in the 15th century, straight to the 21st century in a matter of hours.

    That just makes me think of Borat movie.
    Hell he could do a new one where he is an Afghani who moves to the US.
    Fecking hell it could be great laugh, that is if cinemas weren't too afraid to show it.
    Of course it would probably be the end of his career, if not his actual life, seen as how some muslims out there have fook all of a sense of humour.
    Oh and when the Arabs/Iranians would find out he is jewish it would really get them out.
    shangri la wrote: »
    Islam, like the sh1te in the bible is written so that it is completely open to each persons interpretation just like mystic megs advice. there will be sensible folks and then there are the ones from leitrim who take things too literally.

    I agree, human rights groups should avoid this political correctness boll0x that allows peoples beliefs to lower a persons quality of life (but who judges if a person is worse off).... Leitrim folk think its great fun to jump into a puddle in a bog and end up swallowing that water which cant be good. i hear the Germans like to p1ss on eachother.

    Now go easy on people from Leitrim.
    That is racism.
    BTW where are you from ?

    Oh and FYI bog water is supposedly quiet good for some things like bad feet.

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭Freddie59


    Outright condemnation of anybodies religious belief regardless of how backward is petty & small minded. I might not have a wife or children but who are you to judge me?

    A parent with two daughters who thanks God every day that they were born into a family and society which values and protects them. And not into the "peaceful religion":rolleyes: that is Islam.
    I no longer practice Catholicism because the Vatican & the Pope protect paedophiles & I don't believe people that do such should decide what my morals should be. Just because I don't go around screaming "down with the Catholic church" doesn't mean I agree with the behaviour they basically condone by not allowing the proper authorities to deal with these "sickos".

    That's your own business. And rightly so. You have taken a conscious decision which I would admire you for.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭Freddie59


    humanji wrote: »
    You could have just said she's dressed how she wants to be dressed.
    :Of course he could........


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    Freddie59 wrote: »
    :Of course he could........
    You seem to be implying something.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 217 ✭✭Unavailable for Comment


    Freddie59 wrote: »
    It is a "religion" that belongs in the Middle Ages - not the 21st Century.

    Actually Fred, religious parity would infer that the most extreme brand of Islam is on a par with 1970's Catholic Ireland where domestic rape victims were often offered the choice of compulsory servitude in a magdelene laundry or making themselves less attractive to the father, brother, uncle, husband that was raping them.

    I deduce from the fact that you have two grown daughters Freddie that you were around at the time. That sort of abuse was carried out in your name and with your approval was it?

    If all Muslims are to blame for the actions of a rabid minority that by that "logic" I look forward to you contributing to reparations for the afflicted here. After all the last State funded and Church supervised laundry didn't close here until 1996.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,966 ✭✭✭✭syklops


    Now, if she marries her attacker she has a chance to restore her honour and to give her child a family.

    You can tell some of their laws were made by old ugly men can't you?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 146 ✭✭alphanine


    No wonder the rape statistics are so high in Norway.:mad:
    They probably think they can rape them and then marry them.:eek:

    http://thenewamerican.com/world-mainmenu-26/europe-mainmenu-35/7706-qnon-westernq-men-dominate-sex-crimes-in-norway

    I wonder are there any stats for "non-western" sex attackers for Ireland? Why on Earth did Scandinavia let so many of them in anyway? What possible good could have come of it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,020 ✭✭✭BlaasForRafa


    Outright condemnation of anybodies religious belief regardless of how backward is petty & small minded.

    Why shouldn't we make fun of people who believe in an imaginary being that lives in the sky?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,432 ✭✭✭willmunny1990


    Its beliefs and laws like this that bring the filth in Islam to the forefront.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,739 ✭✭✭✭starbelgrade


    Freddie59 wrote: »
    Hard to credit you actually posted that - and are comparing the two. This woman was raped, then jailed for being raped, and then offered a 'deal' to release her if she married her rapist. The Catholic Church pales in comparison.

    The abuse this woman has endured and the abuse victims endured at the hands of the Church are similar in ways, but totally different in others.

    However, I wasn't comparing the two - my point was that you cannot say that an entire part of the world is fucked up because of the actions of some people who are fucked up without acknowledging that you could say the exact same thing if you extended the same logic to this part of the world.


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