Occupy Wall St

Jonny7 · 21-10-2011 1:21pm

20Cent wrote: »

When people were marching against the Vietnam war I bet there were people saying but what is their solution to the red menace, where is their exit plan, what if Russia takes over etc....

Here are the reasons in cartoon form.
http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/comment//2011/10/dbb476771edc84262231ab1cc8476d35/original.jpg

What are the protesters proposed realistic solutions to their grievances? anyone?

jesus, I'm not looking to "catch" someone out, I genuinely want to know!

prech101 · 21-10-2011 2:00pm

Jonny7 wrote: »

What are the protesters proposed realistic solutions to their grievances? anyone?

jesus, I'm not looking to "catch" someone out, I genuinely want to know!

It’s only a month old Jonny7, if you’re looking for the "answer" to answer all problems, well you going to be waiting, your missing the point,, it’s about numbers for the moment, first you get the numbers, then you enforce the changes.

There is general agreement amongst protestors of what must be done, money out of politics, state assets to be used for the good of the state, so called "to big to fail" let fail and replaced with orgs that aim is to improve the general standards of living, environment etc and not forced to produce profits for shareholders no matter the effect it has on people’s lives. You know some basic moral ethics.

So I ask you,, what answers has the current system given us?? what end game have they got to solve the current crisis (I say current, but it’s been years in the making) the plan they have will put us back in the exact same place in 2015/2016 as to where we are now,, but we the people will be in a much worse situation due to the measures they are putting in place now!!

There is a protest march from Garden of remembrance to Dame Street at 2pm this Saturday. This is org by Occupy Dame street movement. Pop along ask questions and draw your own conclusions.

Is mise le key · 21-10-2011 2:00pm

Jonny7 wrote: »

What are the protesters proposed realistic solutions to their grievances? anyone?

jesus, I'm not looking to "catch" someone out, I genuinely want to know!

Perhaps to have authorities worldwide force corporations to support the people of the world in having a better living standard than they currently have, which doesnt amount to much for millions.

20Cent · 21-10-2011 2:01pm

Jonny7 wrote: »

What are the protesters proposed realistic solutions to their grievances? anyone?

jesus, I'm not looking to "catch" someone out, I genuinely want to know!

Have you tried looking?

From occupywallstreet.org

" #OWS is fighting back against the corrosive power of major banks and multinational corporations over the democratic process, and the role of Wall Street in creating an economic collapse that has caused the greatest recession in generations".

Simple enough for you?

prech101 · 21-10-2011 2:17pm

Originally Posted by Manic Moran
Looking at the symbols in the Union of that picture, I wonder how many people at the protest are supporting those organisations?

Presumably they are organising their protest mainly through the use of their computers, made by companies such as IBM (bottom left). The IBMs will generally run Windows (upper right), many will browse their action fora with Internet Explorer (Lower right). To get to the protest, they will usually require transportation. Some will go in cars such as Chrysler (top right), but the more eco-conscious will take public transport, such as NYC's hybrid busses (General Electric, low centre) or the subway system, some of the lines run stock built by Westinghouse (Left Centre). Some will go by foot. They will probably want to wear something comfy, like trainers by Nike. (upper centre). When they do get there, they'll take their videos often using their iPhones by Apple (Upper Centre), on the AT&T network (Upper right). And, of course, the more publicity they get on the news networks (top left, upper middle, lower middle) the happier they'll be. I'm sure some will want a quick break for lunch, how much do you want a bet none go to the Chase ATM (centre), pull out a few dollars, then quickly grab some fast food at the local McDonalds (right centre) and get a burger and a coke (upper centre)? I don't recognise most of the other logos, I'm sure most can be involved in some way.

And the best bit of this... All those transactions are requiring jobs in the corporations to allow them to be completed! Protest more! The economic recovery depends on it!

NTM

M Moron

Would you like them to use carrier pigeons, or perhaps cut out giant slabs of rock fashion a cutting device with their bare hands and use this to write on? Perhaps for food they can send out a hunting party armed with some sticks (sharpened of course, hey we are an ingenious race after all) and stones, bring these dead animals back to freedom plaza and have a BBQ..... WTF

ei.sdraob · 21-10-2011 3:24pm

Is mise le key wrote: »

Ah yes, a failure because of economic stagnation in the end, we seem pretty stagnated right now with capitalism so one would have to look at the merits of the core aims of either of the 'ism's' to decide which has the most ethical aims, seeing as the economic prosperity has dried up for capitalism, to quote Putin only 15 days ago on looking to form an alliance with the former Soviet countrys,

USSR had 70 years of "stagnation"

the world on the other hand had a few years of a setback, with notable exception of Ireland (which is now back to positive), even the US continues to grow

as for Putin aint his country now doing rather well with a capitalistic approach to the resource management for this vast country?

Is mise le key · 21-10-2011 3:26pm

ei.sdraob wrote: »

USSR had 70 years of "stagnation"

the world on the other hand had a few years of a setback, with notable exception of Ireland (which is now back to positive), even the US continues to grow

Oh Lord:(

ei.sdraob · 21-10-2011 3:27pm

Is mise le key wrote: »

Oh Lord:(

Being religious would have got you in big trouble in Socialist utopias, careful now :rolleyes:

Is mise le key · 21-10-2011 3:31pm

ei.sdraob wrote: »

as for Putin aint his country now doing rather well with a capitalistic approach to the resource management for this vast country?

The minority of capitalist elite are doing very well, it is a sucess, if you recognise the failed system of USA & EU that was replicated in the former communist countries as being sucessful.

I dont.

ei.sdraob · 21-10-2011 3:34pm

Is mise le key wrote: »

The minority of capitalist elite are doing very well, it is a sucess, if you recognise the failed system of USA & EU that was replicated in the former communist countries as being sucessful.

I dont.

Maybe you should ask the Russians if they do, 20 years have passed now and the country is doing better than at any other time in its long and brutal history. Despite having a farce of a democracy

prech101 · 21-10-2011 3:41pm

ei.sdraob wrote: »

USSR had 70 years of "stagnation"

the world on the other hand had a few years of a setback, with notable exception of Ireland (which is now back to positive), even the US continues to grow

as for Putin aint his country now doing rather well with a capitalistic approach to the resource management for this vast country?

Setback!!!! is that what you are calling it now!!

I'll just ring the hospitals and tell all those old folk who worked hard years ago paid there taxes, (very high taxes) that we are back and it was just a "Setback" they can wheel in there trolleys from the corridors where they have been left to die!!

WAKE UP!!!

Is mise le key · 21-10-2011 3:43pm

ei.sdraob wrote: »

Maybe you should ask the Russians if they do, 20 years have passed now and the country is doing better than at any other time in its long and brutal history. Despite having a farce of a democracy

ei.sdraob wrote: »

with notable exception of Ireland (which is now back to positive), even the US continues to grow

Maybe you should ask the Irish who are Hungry & feeling suicidal.

ei.sdraob · 21-10-2011 4:48pm

Is mise le key wrote: »

Maybe you should ask the Irish who are Hungry & feeling suicidal.

According to the last CSO SILK report we now have the lowest rate of poverty in EU of 14%, where "poverty" is defined as incomes under 12K :eek: (mind you these people can avail of welfare, medical healthcare and so on on top of this)

thats better than such socialist/capitalist constructs in Scandinavia and even Germany

Overheal · 22-10-2011 2:42am

ei.sdraob wrote: »

According to the last CSO SILK report we now have the lowest rate of poverty in EU of 14%, where "poverty" is defined as incomes under 12K :eek: (mind you these people can avail of welfare, medical healthcare and so on on top of this)

thats better than such socialist/capitalist constructs in Scandinavia and even Germany

and the irish rate of suicide?

RichieC · 22-10-2011 4:26am

Manic Moran wrote: »

Looking at the symbols in the Union of that picture, I wonder how many people at the protest are supporting those organisations?

Presumably they are organising their protest mainly through the use of their computers, made by companies such as IBM (bottom left). The IBMs will generally run Windows (upper right), many will browse their action fora with Internet Explorer (Lower right). To get to the protest, they will usually require transportation. Some will go in cars such as Chrysler (top right), but the more eco-conscious will take public transport, such as NYC's hybrid busses (General Electric, low centre) or the subway system, some of the lines run stock built by Westinghouse (Left Centre). Some will go by foot. They will probably want to wear something comfy, like trainers by Nike. (upper centre). When they do get there, they'll take their videos often using their iPhones by Apple (Upper Centre), on the AT&T network (Upper right). And, of course, the more publicity they get on the news networks (top left, upper middle, lower middle) the happier they'll be. I'm sure some will want a quick break for lunch, how much do you want a bet none go to the Chase ATM (centre), pull out a few dollars, then quickly grab some fast food at the local McDonalds (right centre) and get a burger and a coke (upper centre)? I don't recognise most of the other logos, I'm sure most can be involved in some way.

And the best bit of this... All those transactions are requiring jobs in the corporations to allow them to be completed! Protest more! The economic recovery depends on it!

NTM

I suppose you pointed out the Irony of Tea partiers using Public streets payed for by the Tax payer to air their grievances.. of course you didn't. :rolleyes:

Overheal · 25-10-2011 5:47pm

So when did this become about the Jews?

Just curious, because I was about to write a research paper on the Israelis, of all things.

http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/scott-whitlock/2011/10/24/networks-and-cable-still-mostly-silent-anti-semitism-occupy-wall-str

http://biggovernment.com/mrctv/2011/10/23/occupywallst-supporter-rants-against-israel-jews/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mark-green/the-right-wing-attempt-to_b_1030562.html

http://biggovernment.com/reasontv/2011/10/15/occupyla-protester-zionist-jews-who-run-banks-should-be-run-out-of-this-country/

Then as I went to drive out to College of Charleston this morning for a research book, some phone-in on Beck's show was talking about 'Neutralizing' the Jews in this country, and throwing them out, and all that sort of stuff.

....I mean, exactly how was everyone elses weekend?

Hayte · 25-10-2011 9:53pm

RichieC wrote: »

I suppose you pointed out the Irony of Tea partiers using Public streets payed for by the Tax payer to air their grievances.. of course you didn't. :rolleyes:

Every time someone posts or references that god forsaken picture, you should just post this:

Overheal · 25-10-2011 10:02pm

Hayte wrote: »

RichieC wrote: »

I suppose you pointed out the Irony of Tea partiers using Public streets payed for by the Tax payer to air their grievances.. of course you didn't. :rolleyes:

Every time someone posts or references that god forsaken picture, you should just post this:

Ha.

My issue with 'the picture' isn't the road or the sidewalk or the street signs but rather the signs that say free benefits and zero taxes

davoxx · 26-10-2011 11:00am

Overheal wrote: »

So when did this become about the Jews?

Just curious, because I was about to write a research paper on the Israelis, of all things.

http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/scott-whitlock/2011/10/24/networks-and-cable-still-mostly-silent-anti-semitism-occupy-wall-str

http://biggovernment.com/mrctv/2011/10/23/occupywallst-supporter-rants-against-israel-jews/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mark-green/the-right-wing-attempt-to_b_1030562.html

http://biggovernment.com/reasontv/2011/10/15/occupyla-protester-zionist-jews-who-run-banks-should-be-run-out-of-this-country/

Then as I went to drive out to College of Charleston this morning for a research book, some phone-in on Beck's show was talking about 'Neutralizing' the Jews in this country, and throwing them out, and all that sort of stuff.

....I mean, exactly how was everyone elses weekend?

well that explains a lot.

Now that the hippie meme hasn't stuck, here comes the magician's trick of misdirection. This now world-wide movement against injustice is really about... anti-Semitism.

Is mise le key · 26-10-2011 11:12am

I think we have to point out the difference between anti semitic & anti zionist, the identification of many of the mainplayers on the world finance stage as being prominent zionists is as old as the hills & not in the realms of conspiracy theory, they are not genuine religious Jews of faith by a long stretch, many of their country men & religious brethren are also opposed to them,

http://www.ijsn.net/home/
http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/
http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/

Jonny7 · 26-10-2011 1:14pm

20Cent wrote: »

Have you tried looking?

From occupywallstreet.org

" #OWS is fighting back against the corrosive power of major banks and multinational corporations over the democratic process, and the role of Wall Street in creating an economic collapse that has caused the greatest recession in generations".

Simple enough for you?

How is "fighting back" a solution to the problems?

Complaining about something is easy, a child can do it, coming up with a realistic solution is the key part.

OWS are complaining about a long list of things, but I'm not seeing any realistic plans/proposals put forward by them.

davoxx · 26-10-2011 2:35pm

Jonny7 wrote: »

How is "fighting back" a solution to the problems?

Complaining about something is easy, a child can do it, coming up with a realistic solution is the key part.

OWS are complaining about a long list of things, but I'm not seeing any realistic plans/proposals put forward by them.

fighting back stops the problem, hence it is a solution.

complaining is easy, protesting is hard. people can complain on boards about anything, getting out there and showing everyone what you are protesting about is the hard part.

and coming up with a realistic solution sounds very problematic ... if those responsible are incapable or unwilling to use a solution, is it not because they deem it 'unrealistic'?

this was mentioned many times before, you don't need to know the solution to a problem to know that there is a problem and that you want a solution to that problem. so your point does not make sense here

people are complaining about ows, but i don't see any realistic plans/proposals put forward by them

RMD · 26-10-2011 2:40pm

So the solution to this problem is make them stop their current economic activities, but don't offer an alternative to do once they stop.

Ingenious, it amazes nobody's thought about it before.

Is mise le key · 26-10-2011 2:42pm

RMD wrote: »

So the solution to this problem is make them stop their current economic activities, but don't offer an alternative to do once they stop.

Ingenious, it amazes nobody's thought about it before.

The solution is.......

Share the wealth.

davoxx · 26-10-2011 2:45pm

RMD wrote: »

So the solution to this problem is make them stop their current economic activities, but don't offer an alternative to do once they stop.

Ingenious, it amazes nobody's thought about it before.

we'll cross that bridge when we get there

first they need to say they'll stop, no point in building a bridge if they won't use it, now is there?:rolleyes:

and i don't think anyone wants is them to suddenly stop their current economic activities ... i could be wrong, so where did you get the idea that they want to stop it?

davoxx · 26-10-2011 2:49pm

Is mise le key wrote: »

The solution is.......

Share the wealth.

it's not 'realistic' or something ...

how does sharing work? they understand sharing losses, sharing tax unto the poorer people, but sharing wealth is totally lost on them ...

i'm sure someone will post that sharing the wealth will result in every job collapsing in 10 minutes as ceo will not want to live if they are make even 10 grand less ... and if the ceos leave then the companies will leave and then capitalism will fall ...

davoxx · 26-10-2011 2:51pm

UL Study wrote: »

Hello this is a study from University of Limerick that may be of your interest. It will take approximately 5 minutes. I would appreciate it if you would take part.

http://ww3.unipark.de/uc/j_fsu_jena_JGA/b22c/

do i get paid for providing you with valuable ideas and data? as a ceo i must get paid for my time .. say a cheque of €10000 will cover 10 minutes.

Is mise le key · 26-10-2011 3:04pm

davoxx wrote: »

it's not 'realistic' or something ...

how does sharing work? they understand sharing losses, sharing tax unto the poorer people, but sharing wealth is totally lost on them ...

i'm sure someone will post that sharing the wealth will result in every job collapsing in 10 minutes as ceo will not want to live if they are make even 10 grand less ... and if the ceos leave then the companies will leave and then capitalism will fall ...

Yes, some guff along those lines, what people then need to realise is that if the major corporate powers dont accept that the inequity of capitalism has finally driven the people of the world to the brink & the more equitable distribution of the wealth of the world is where they will have to go, then they will be removed from their positions of power by the people & the wealth will be used for the benefit of all the people of EARTH.

Suryavarman · 26-10-2011 4:33pm

Is mise le key wrote: »

The solution is.......

Share the wealth.

Why should it be shared? Wealth is meant to be earned not shared.

Overheal · 26-10-2011 4:52pm

sharing tax unto the poorer people

...is the same thing as sharing wealth.

Yes, some guff along those lines, what people then need to realise is that if the major corporate powers dont accept that the inequity of capitalism has finally driven the people of the world to the brink & the more equitable distribution of the wealth of the world is where they will have to go, then they will be removed from their positions of power by the people & the wealth will be used for the benefit of all the people of EARTH.

That's really not how that works. Throwing money at the world's problems doesn't really fix anything. It has to be managed.

As I recall, the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation is working toward wiping out Malaria, which should benefit 'the people of EARTH'. (Are Bill and Melinda Gates aliens?). You also have the X-Prize foundation which among other things has sponsored incentives for teams to create more efficient and privatized space travel (Virgin Galactic won, as you can imagine), and I believe the Wendy Schmidt (wife of google CEO)'s prize to create better oil cleanup methods from seawater just had a winner this week - actually a pretty ingenious design. Google itself still has a $20m prize out to any private team that can successfully land a rover on the moon. There are also the Tricorder and Archon Genome X-prizes with the aim of improving healthcare efficiency: one by making medical diagnoses much more simple and effective, the other improving the human genome mapping process to further development of preventative medicines.

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