Occupy Wall St

20Cent

Finally protesters are going to the right place. Apparently there are thousands of protesters there yet watching the news no one would know. A few tea party people get round the clock coverage though. A lot of different groups are demanding that Wall St pay its fair share after the destruction it has caused the economy and an end to corporate influence in decision making.

Good stuff hope it continues.

Video
http://nocache.therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=7338&gclid=CLXgo-DRtqsCFcgj3godjlE4fA

amacachi

Have they worked out what their one demand is going to be?

DeVore

The news here, is that its not making news. Scary stuff and makes me even more convinced of the absolute necessity for a free internet.

DeV.

Permabear

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DeVore

We're not seeing shag all over here and with the 24 hour news channels in the states, they should have been all over this from the start. If it was the Tea Party there would be a lot more coverage.

DeV.

Overheal

as you can imagine, the WSJ is journaling the happenings of Wall Street:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203890804576591364076524234.html

Their blog https://occupywallst.org/

And similar to the Dublin Student Protests, the video is very lacking in objectivity. In fact, there is very little of it. the Day 6 entry mentions a Thousand protesters but it's hard to imagine that figure from what is viewable. But hell the most interesting video there is this, and theres no controversy in it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myLHPvd8wyM

But it was covered by the media: http://money.cnn.com/2011/09/17/technology/occupy_wall_street/index.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cG_TKAJyV6k


oh, this was good though:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTD8xCJ-zzs

In fact, that's quite depressing. And just reminds me of the Ron Paul censorship from last month: http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-august-15-2011/indecision-2012---corn-polled-edition---ron-paul---the-top-tier

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUXBz6AGJFM

AhSureTisGrand

I have been following these protests on Twitter since they were first planned. I still don't know what they're meant to be about. At different times they seem to be protesting against free-market capitalism, government intervention in the market, police brutality, the execution of Troy Davis, and most of all the lack of attention their message is getting

20Cent

Protesters being penned in and maced by the cops.
Totally unnecessary. The contrast between the coverage of this and the tea party is stark. Looks like they have hit a nerve. Where are the tea party anyway thought they were against bailouts etc....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moD2JnGTToA&feature=player_embedded#!

matthew8

20Cent wrote: »

Protesters being penned in and maced by the cops.
Totally unnecessary. The contrast between the coverage of this and the tea party is stark. Looks like they have hit a nerve. Where are the tea party anyway thought they were against bailouts etc....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moD2JnGTToA&feature=player_embedded#!

I would say there are some tea partiers in attendance.

20Cent

matthew8 wrote: »

I would say there are some tea partiers in attendance.

Hope so. Have there been messages of support from prominent tea party people? Have the Koch brothers laid on free buses?

20Cent

#occupywallstreet is not trending despite massive use, J P Morgan are a big investor. Yahoo apparently were also censoring occupy wall st. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IP2LREhJH4U

Youtube videos with hundreds of comments are showing much less views!

Valmont

20cent, maybe the tea party aren't too excited about this because they rightly know that the federal government is the real source of Wall Street's horrible power.

"There are a thousand hacking at the branches of evil to one who is striking at the root" - Henry David Thoreau.

naldface

Valmont wrote: »

20cent, maybe the tea party aren't too excited about this because they rightly know that the federal government is the real source of Wall Street's horrible power.

"There are a thousand hacking at the branches of evil to one who is striking at the root" - Henry David Thoreau.

The truth can be intimate. Should the federal government control and license superpowers? Its a deal. I hoped you would go though.

davoxx

Yahoo censorship ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmj9Tfs9ijU

and

the url ... https://occupywallst.org/

also bbc - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-15051554
no mention of Anonymous and this is the first report of the protest despite it is a week old ...

DeVore

davoxx wrote: »

Yahoo censorship ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmj9Tfs9ijU

and

the url ... https://occupywallst.org/

also bbc - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-15051554
no mention of Anonymous and this is the first report of the protest despite it is a week old ...

Wow. That's unbelievable. Shame on yahoo... Imagine An Post reading your mail and refusing to deliver it if they didn't like the contents...


DeV.

DeVore

Jesus this just gets worse... police kettle docile female protesters and then Mace them for no reason. Pretty traumatic so you have been warned.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moD2JnGTToA

DeV.

Manach

I was rather hoping to see an actually mace myself.
However, that large orange fence, to me, seems it could breach safety regulations as it is interference to a public walkway - without persumable a court order.

DeVore

The "pepper spray right in the face" assault aint doin' it for you??

DeV.

Overheal

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The "pepper spray right in the face" assault aint doin' it for you??

DeV.

I'm not even sure anymore

http://gizmodo.com/5843559/police-officer-tases-teenager-in-the-face-to-stop-a-fight

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAKC_0qCGjY

Police just seem to be into brutality; I doubt how much of it has to do with political motivation.

20Cent

Valmont wrote: »

20cent, maybe the tea party aren't too excited about this because they rightly know that the federal government is the real source of Wall Street's horrible power.

"There are a thousand hacking at the branches of evil to one who is striking at the root" - Henry David Thoreau.

So they won't protest wall st they are saving themselves for the big issues like democratic party townhall meetings and healthcare for the poor. This sounds like something they would be in favour of yet not a peep from them. If you look at who funds the tea party you can see why.

Memnoch

The tea party are led primarily by a bunch of profiteering hypocrites who are happy to take advantage of the ignorance and total lack of understanding of ordinary people who on the whole are probably justified in their anger and frustration, but are clueless about the real causes of their predicament allowing opportunists to herd them through misdirection and propaganda and twist the popular 'resistance' for their own ends.

matthew8

Memnoch wrote: »

The tea party are led primarily by a bunch of profiteering hypocrites who are happy to take advantage of the ignorance and total lack of understanding of ordinary people who on the whole are probably justified in their anger and frustration, but are clueless about the real causes of their predicament allowing opportunists to herd them through misdirection and propaganda and twist the popular 'resistance' for their own ends.

There are 3 types of tea partiers:
1. Ron Paul followers and libertarians, very prominent and are against free money for Wall st.
2. Bachmann/Palinites, again prominent but tend to be sympathetic to big business.
3. The majority, people who identify with the tea party but really don't hold tea party views, many of them Rick Perry/Herman Cain fans.

Ron Paul fans are hardly in abundance in New York, so while they would support the cause have enough straw polls to worry about showing up at to bother going to New York. Palinites and Perry cheerleaders will show their true colours by opposing this movement.

20Cent

Anonymous are after releasing the name and contact details of the cop who maced the women. Fair enough I reckon if they want to play dirty two can play that game. Cops should think twice from acting in such a brutal fashion is future.

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20Cent

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Two points have been made:
Firstly the contrast between the media coverage and policing of tea party protests when compared to this.
Also the question how come the tea party are not involved or have not protested the Wall St bailouts when gov spending and being anti corruption are two of their alleged aims.

AhSureTisGrand

20Cent wrote: »

Also the question how come the tea party are not involved or have not protested the Wall St bailouts when gov spending and being anti corruption are two of their alleged aims.

Presumably because Wall Street did not bail Wall Street out. Or they haven't been told about it yet. I don't know

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20Cent

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I was referring to the Occupy wall st thing like the op is about. Forgot libertarians are so pedantic and have to make it clear.

AhSureTisGrand

20Cent wrote: »

I was referring to the Occupy wall st thing like the op is about. Forgot libertarians are so pedantic and have to make it clear.

Haven't we been through this already? Roots and branches and such...

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matthew8

20Cent wrote: »

I was referring to the Occupy wall st thing like the op is about. Forgot libertarians are so pedantic and have to make it clear.

I can't speak for other libertarians and tea partiers, I'm for them speaking for themselves. My best guess is that they're busy making something of themselves at work or if they are politically interested they are spending their time helping out campaigns.

20Cent

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Sorry can't take an adult libertarian seriously.

DeVore

You asked what this has to do with the Tea Party and the answer is that they ostensibly object to Wall St. bailout (as seen in the pics). You would think then that they would, at least partly, be fellow travellers of the protestors. Much of the anger stems from the same thing, private debts becoming public.

There is also the glaringly obvious difference in media coverage.

So, can we get back on topic?

11 days now and a mate of mine who is a news junkie was shocked today when I raised the topic with him. He is not a net-head but listens to at least 5 news broadcasts a day, reads 2 papers minimum and watches the 6,9 and 10 pm TV news broadcasts. (I claim he has some kind of syndrome lol!).
He simply couldnt understand how he hasnt heard of it.

2 dozen+ Chiliean miners and they are covering what they had for lunch on day 27. People protesting, being maced, camping out on the primary financial centre in the world.... almost nada.

I'm having a whale of a time sticking it to people who always told me I was a conspiracy nut or who I told that the net is, while a mixed bag, at least free to all to broadcast.

DeV.

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DeVore

Can you compare it with the Chiliean miners coverage?

Where has it been on mainstream TV news? Where's the wall to wall Fox/CNN/ABC/NBC coverage? or any coverage in fact?

If you want to answer my post, answer all of it. Are you saying there is no glaring inconsistency when that immigrant kid (Gonzalez?) was being deported it was live round the clock but this is a footnote at best?

Come on now.....

DeV.

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DeVore

I'm sorry I dont buy any of that. Online is reporting it yes, and its finally seeping through as videos like the macing one are MAKING people question the mainstream media... but I'm sorry, I've lived in the states and I've seen the absolute levels of obsession the media go to on the tiniest little story. This SHOULD be a huge story, Wall St is becoming a battle zone and sympathetic protests are springing up in a very "Arab Spring" manner.

Are you really telling me this doesnt deserve serious attention on the news? 100 arrests on a topical issue like this?? please ...


DeV.

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20Cent

Like Devore I have mentioned the Wall St protest to people who would normally be quite up on whats happening in the news and they had not heard about it. The level of coverage is very low in the offline media. Not asking for wall to wall coverage or anything like that but when compared to events of similar size and public interest it is very little. It seems to be growing though because of the heavy handed police behavior.

Don't want to bash the tea party just using it as an example of a protest that received much more coverage than this is, also finding it strange that they have no comment to make on it. Can't help but think that when you have media that is more interested in its share price than covering events this is the kind of thing can happen.

BluePlanet

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What are you talking about?
Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting have an article detailing exactly how un-reported the protest has been.
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=4405

20Cent

Fox news fair and balanced reporting of the protest. Mocking with no attempt to analyse or find explain why it is happening. Thought they were against bailouts and for free markets, not so much so it seems.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ipz7V22Bh8

First comment is good.

First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.” Mahatma Gandhi

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matthew8

20Cent wrote: »

Like Devore I have mentioned the Wall St protest to people who would normally be quite up on whats happening in the news and they had not heard about it. The level of coverage is very low in the offline media. Not asking for wall to wall coverage or anything like that but when compared to events of similar size and public interest it is very little. It seems to be growing though because of the heavy handed police behavior.

Don't want to bash the tea party just using it as an example of a protest that received much more coverage than this is, also finding it strange that they have no comment to make on it. Can't help but think that when you have media that is more interested in its share price than covering events this is the kind of thing can happen.

I thought you would notice the tea party flag in the post just before yours, clearly there are tea partiers there.

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20Cent

matthew8 wrote: »

I thought you would notice the tea party flag in the post just before yours, clearly there are tea partiers there.

Don't tread on me flag?
Thats not a tea party flag they don't have one.

Suryavarman

Protests and police brutality have been covered on Fox and MSNBC:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnPnhDH_duk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zgr3DiqWYCI

20Cent wrote: »

Don't tread on me flag?
Thats not a tea party flag they don't have one.

They might not have an official flag but the "Don't tread on me" flag is common enough at Tea Party protests.

davoxx

it's hitting the news channels now as people are finding out by other methods, not yahoo mail :pac:

DeVore

12 days later and 100 arrests.


Compare and contrast with Michael fncking Jackson's Doctor.

DeV.

jman0war

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Wrong. The protest started on 17/9, the article was written 23/9, within the article are links to sources to 21/9.

It was really only after Michael Moore started ranting on the Rachel Maddow show that the story finally got a look-in. Then after the cops maced those girls in the face the MainStream press started reporting.

The Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting article compares the lack of coverage (up to 23/9 before the mace incident), compared to Tea Party protests where there were far, far less people attending.

It's pretty well documented at this point.

Can you stop with the denialism and move to the rationalizing now?

20Cent

They are still there and growing.
Other protests springing up all over the US.

NYC Transit Union Joins Occupy Wall Street

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/29/nyc-transit-union-joins-o_n_987156.html

New York City labor unions are preparing to back the unwieldy grassroots band occupying a park in Lower Manhattan, in a move that could mark a significant shift in the tenor of the anti-corporate Occupy Wall Street protests and send thousands more people into the streets.