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''Islam is a religion of peace'' (debate)
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Ah Norwegian women:
I think hypocrisy of media is already exposed in norway against muslim--- You need not to use hypocrisy of media against muslim--- It will make you more hypocrites (sorry to say)---- If you are interested then you can put your thoughts on this link, so that i can see what you can't see....
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056356433&page=3
This is comment is specially for media and blind lovers of media----
You close mind BBC CNN- FOX- SKYWAY - Islamicphobes lovers need to start thinking for yourself and slap away the spoon that has been feeding your mind with propaganda--- Go educate yourself by someone who knows what he is talking about...Not by racist bigots-- Remember you would know only what a scum know if you learn from a scum---
You see wibbs, you picked a special point from my quote and then you started all of your history--- again the old point? Is you history and points are free of bias?:) --- Even i will bust you with your special point :rolleyes:
See, muslim sources aren't not contradicting, it's you who are contradicting history--- See the red font--- It shows your great ignorance about muhammad-- Islam and history--- Why i bold it in red font because people would know how you are ignorant about Muhammad---- I will disapprove your claim by using a non Islamic history---- the source of my information is wiki (This link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khadijah_bint_Khuwaylid )
Khadijah was from a noble family and at the time of Prophet Muhammad, she was a widow. Khadijah was very beautiful and she was also wealthy. For this reason, many men wanted her hand in marriage. However, Khadijah refused to marry them all. After being a widow, Khadijah lost her interest in marrying a second time. That was until Muhammad came into her life.
One day, Khadijah was looking for a person who would conduct business on her behalf in Syria. Since Muhammad was known to be a kind and honest person, his uncle, Abu Talib, got him the job. After Muhammad returned from Syria, Khadijah's servant told her how well Muhammad had conducted her business in Syria. Khadijah became impressed and it was said that Muhammad was the most honest person she ever met. So Khadijah sent her sister to Muhammad to ask him whether he would consider marriage to her. Muhammad was generally regarded as a kind and handsome man so it would have been seen as an honor for any woman to marry him. Muhammad agreed to the match and soon after, he and Khadijah married. The couple had a son by the name of Qasim, who died at a very young age (hence one of Muhammed's titles Abul Qasim, which translates to father of Qasim). However, afterwards Khadijah gave birth to their daughters Zainab, Ruqayyah, Umm Kulthum and Fatimah.----
You see wibbs, how you are ignorant by your bias--- Now understand why God has blinded disbeliever because they have choosen a way dishonesty to torch their reason--- You are enemy of Muhammad, i have no proplem but be an honest enemy--- don't throw/invent lies to torch your enemity
what does "Clearly no explanation" mean in your quote-- As you choose and pick special history to torch your own belief--- Isn't it dishonesty?
His inspirations brought about harmony and good fortune to the Middle East and all the Areas ruled by the Muslims, including Spain and Italy. During the these times, the great fortune was due to a huge extent from the teaching of Prophet who said, “To acquire knowledge travel into Chinese if essential .” This brought the people travel huge areas in order to seek more and there was great business and learning by seeing the people of Sub continent, Chinese, Persian, and the West. This peace spread to Spanish area where the Muslims governed for 700 years, and in fact, the many of the sailors present with Columbus were Muslims who had learned huge experience from their journey and business with the areas of India, Africa and China.
In these old good times, Evil Mooselms were excellent scientists and continued the effort of the Greeks by understanding them into Arabic. They utilized this knowledge as well as knowledge of creating paper from Chinese, of math from Sub Continent and they created the first University, University they say Al Azhar University, which after thsouand years still exist
In end, Prophet’s work inspired not only the moral and social life of the people, but also their scientific and financial living and there was huge good fortune brought about by following his teaching that came from Evil God. In the medieval period, the evil mooslems gave the building of knowledge to the Europe who were facing the Dark Ages and by using this wisdom, the Renaissance period began. The other good work created by the evil Mooslems was the magnificent architecture, art and calligraphy as Muhammad said that evil God loves beauty and the evil did everything beautifully to please evil God.
Now think what you said, General
Right, this is very clear, Be clear---- you don't know Arabic--right no problem with it, Now tell did you learn quran and two sources of hadith on internet or by actuall study--- I mean in real life from a hard copy of quran and hadith?
I hope you'll get well soon
The situation which you see in today world, is not because of Islam, It is because of foreign invasion into these lands--- They are greedy like hawks always looking to feed themselves on the blood of poor---- Because the blood of poor is sweet----Ah Delicious-- I want more poor blood---Take example of British invasion into subcontinent, they destroyed true islamic values....Sounds very much like the America and its allies are doing --- You should open your eyes comrade--- or your eyes will open you
You talk alot. Alot of crap. Back to basic's, you wanna talk history and conflict? America this and Britain that. Go back further so, to the creation of Islam and specifically mohammed. How can anyone possibly think a religion which was created/invented by a "non peaceful man" be itself peaceful? Please please dont shy away from the question, the man was a mass murdering, rapist, paedophile who preached the destruction of all other religions......these are all FACTS. So how could he possibly start a religion first, never mind a religion of peace?
Afterthought... what kind of a person could look up to such a dispicable person as mohammed with the knowledge of what he done?0 -
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Eh these are police and government reports. In fact the UK links deliberately avoid saying "Muslim". Mainstream press, even crap ones like Sky/Fox all avoid saying "muslim men" in connection with these things. They nearly always say "Asian man". It was part of the point I was making. If these reports were biased according to you they wouldn't be saying Asian.Ah Norwegian women:
I think hypocrisy of media is already exposed in norway against muslim--- You need not to use hypocrisy of media against muslim--- It will make you more hypocrites (sorry to say)---- If you are interested then you can put your thoughts on this link, so that i can see what you can't see....
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056356433&page=3
This is comment is specially for media and blind lovers of media----
You close mind BBC CNN- FOX- SKYWAY - Islamicphobes lovers need to start thinking for yourself and slap away the spoon that has been feeding your mind with propaganda--- Go educate yourself by someone who knows what he is talking about...Not by racist bigots-- Remember you would know only what a scum know if you learn from a scum---
This should be good.You see wibbs, you picked a special point from my quote and then you started all of your history--- again the old point? Is you history and points are free of bias?:) --- Even i will bust you with your special point :rolleyes:
Eh no. That is Islamic history. The only place her name appears is in Muslim texts. Nowhere else. Muhammed himself only appears in one possibly two external sources and they're very vague. One has him as a general, one a preacher, neither mentions anyone else or the new religion. That comes later.I will disapprove your claim by using a non Islamic history---- the source of my information is wiki (This link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khadijah_bint_Khuwaylid )
The only history you use is your religions. In any case my point was if before Islam women were little better than dogs how does a woman like Khadijah become wealthy? Her husbands wealth? Sorry according to you before Islam women couldn't inherit money. Before Islam how does a woman like Khadijah have enough social standing to ask for a reknowned man's hand in marriage, if they had no say in their affairs? It's contradictory.what does "Clearly no explanation" mean in your quote-- As you choose and pick special history to torch your own belief--- Isn't it dishonesty?
Yep it was the height of the Muslim culture.His inspirations brought about harmony and good fortune to the Middle East and all the Areas ruled by the Muslims, including Spain and Italy. During the these times, the great fortune was due to a huge extent from the teaching of Prophet who said, “To acquire knowledge travel into Chinese if essential .” This brought the people travel huge areas in order to seek more and there was great business and learning by seeing the people of Sub continent, Chinese, Persian, and the West.
Yea and the Spanish rule wasn't the lovely time it's often claimed. The caliphate of Cordoba was such a time, but that lasted barely a century. Outside of that it could be a lot less enlightened. Even for great Muslim thinkers. EG Ibn Rushd http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Averroes a serious genius respected by Christians and Jews and everyone else had to run/was banished by the Almohads. Why? Because he was getting a bit too fond of those Greek and other texts among other things.This peace spread to Spanish area where the Muslims governed for 700 years, and in fact, the many of the sailors present with Columbus were Muslims who had learned huge experience from their journey and business with the areas of India, Africa and China.
They gained knowledge of paper and printing yet the first christian printed books are 300 years before the first Islamic ones. As for the "first university". They existed before. They existed here in Ireland and many universities and centres of learning were founded by Irish monks throughout Europe. There were universities in France and Germany and Austria centuries before Al Azhar.In these old good times, Evil Mooselms were excellent scientists and continued the effort of the Greeks by understanding them into Arabic. They utilized this knowledge as well as knowledge of creating paper from Chinese, of math from Sub Continent and they created the first University, University they say Al Azhar University, which after thsouand years still exist
This is utter utter nonsense though trotted out by too many(not just Muslims). The "dark ages" in Europe is very much a misnomer and exaggeration. Yes when Rome "fell"(the western empire, the eastern was doing quite well thank you very much) Europe lost a helluva lot with it, but it didn't last that long. Like I pointed out all over Europe there were pockets of learning and innovation and law and that spread pretty quickly. Out of the ashes of imperial Rome grew both western Europe and arguably Islam(the Romans at their height would have crushed a growing Arabian empire with ease). By the time of Charlemagne the first European renaissance was under way, many centuries before the Italian one with zero Muslim influence on it. There was more Irish influence on it than Muslim(many times more). And lets not forget where the Islamic world got it's start in civilisation. It wasn't from within at first it was by building on the works of those pagan Europeans that they had access to. By the first crusade those "dark age" backward Europeans were capable of mounting and supplying a huge military expedition(and build huge castles) 1000's of miles from home and fight effectively against a culture and army with a serious home advantage. If the Islamic world was that advanced and the Europeans were that backward they simply wouldn't have had a chance.In the medieval period, the evil mooslems gave the building of knowledge to the Europe who were facing the Dark Ages and by using this wisdom, the Renaissance period began
Oh I never said they didn't bring great beauty and philosophy to the world. Indeed I personally prefer the Islamic architecture to the vast majority of the stuff in the west at the time which for the most part was heavy and lumpen by comparison.The other good work created by the evil Mooslems was the magnificent architecture, art and calligraphy as Muhammad said that evil God loves beauty and the evil did everything beautifully to please evil God.
Hard copy of both. Two books. One the Quran, the other entitled collection of Hadith(TBH there are 3 collections of hadith in the book, but I've only read the first two and to be really honest the first(Muslim IIRC) in depth). I find reading anything in depth online hard going. And before you suggest it's all about translation I hope you read Enkidu's postRight, this is very clear, Be clear---- you don't know Arabic--right no problem with it, Now tell did you learn quran and two sources of hadith on internet or by actuall study--- I mean in real life from a hard copy of quran and hadith?Virtually nobody reads the Quran according to the real pronunciation rules of Muhammad's dialect, instead using Classical Arabic. The only people who do are Afro-Asiatic experts. So unless you only trust Afro-Asiatic experts to read the Quran, I think you can allow people who have translations to comment.
Oh I agree with you on this point 100%.The situation which you see in today world, is not because of Islam, It is because of foreign invasion into these lands---Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.
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Yes I can. Well there are worrying trends in this. In 2010 in Norway, all non domestic rape and sexual assaults reported were by Muslim men on Norwegian women.
From Norwegian TV.
Hey! I asked for a Non BNP source! :pac:
This is the police report the news report was based on. https://www.politi.no/vedlegg/lokale_vedlegg/oslo/Vedlegg_1309.pdfAll Rapes in Oslo Committed by Immigrants
http://www.bnp.org.uk/news/all-rapes-oslo-committed-immigrants
First off it's worth pointing out that the numbers refer to Oslo and not the whole of Norway. It's actually shameful how low the media will go to demonise Muslims as they've done here. They've spun it in such a way so as to demonise Muslim immigrants.
Luckily I can speak enough Swedish/Norwegian to get the jist of the report.
If you go to table 30 you'll see that there was 152 rapes in Oslo in 2010 - Mostly carried out by people of NORWEGIAN descent. (Norge = Norway) and happened at a party (Fest = party). The news channel has shamelessly twisted rape statistics to whip up paranioa and hatred against immigrants. What they've solely focused on in the news report was "Overfall" meaning assualt. These numbered 6 in total. 4 being committed by men (perhaps even women?) from the Middle East and 2 from Africa.
This was propoganda of the highest order. I would expect many innocent Muslims were attacked in the street because of this dishonest reporting.0 -
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Possibly these ones.
Afraid not.
This was Sam's claim:
- a majority of Muslims polled in every country did not believe 9/11 was carried out by Muslims.
- There is zero reference made to whether or not Muslims carried out 9-11.
- If I assume correctly that he is using Arabs and Muslims interchangeably this still doesn't support his claim as a majority of Muslims in every country DID NOT believe 9-11 was carried out by Arabs.
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Everyone else took care of my scources for me.
Okay. Let's go through it. Hopefully it's not another repeat of your ugly, empty smears last time. Call me an optimist.
The bold are your original claims.
1 - "Even taking into account culture and soci-economic background, a UK Muslim is far more likely to rape than a non Muslim"
What we got was a sensationalist Norwegian news report based on a report that demonstrated that in Oslo, Ethnic Norwegian was far more likely to rape than someone from the Middle East.
Nothing about "UK Muslims being far more likely to rape than a non Muslim".
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2 - "This (Muslim rape levels) is a direct result of its misogonistic, anti-woman tenor."
There was no source provided for this claim.
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3 - " a majority of Muslims polled in every country did not believe 9/11 was carried out by Muslims."
Again a source was given here that didn't support you claim. There was no poll question rating their belief on whether "Muslims" carried out 9-11.
(you do know the difference between an Arab and a Muslim? Right?)
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Do you genuinely believe yourself all this rubbish your posting? Where are you getting all this misinformation from?The vast majority of those deaths were Muslim on Muslim violence.
I'd be amazed if you can provide any proof of this. But please, surprise me.
Yeah.........:rolleyes:As is the case in Afghanistan,Two dozen children are said to be among the dead after US warplanes reportedly bombed a wedding party in Afghanistan. US military officials said the incident, in which up to 40 civilians were reportedly killed and the bride wounded,
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/us-warplanes-bomb-afghan-wedding-party-994922.html
...PaksitanISLAMABAD: America’s covert drone war on al Qaeda and the Taliban has killed up to 168 children in Pakistan over the last seven years, according to an independent study released Thursday. http://www.dawn.com/2011/08/11/us-drone-war-kills-up-to-168-children-in-pakistan-report.htmland any massacres one cares to mention in the Middle East carried out in the last few decades.
Really?The Cave of the Patriarchs massacre was a terrorist attack that occurred when Baruch Goldstein, an Israeli settler and member of the far-right Israeli Kach movement, opened fire on unarmed Palestinian Muslims praying inside the Ibrahim Mosque (or Mosque of Abraham) at the Cave of the Patriarchs site in Hebron in the West Bank. It took place on February 25, 1994, during the overlapping religious holidays of Purim and Ramadan.[1][2] Twenty-nine worshippers were killed and 125 wounded.[3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cave_of_the_Patriarchs_massacre
Getting through yet? And these are just random examples.
Perhaps I should be clearer.You do realise what you are trying to debate, right? That Islam is a religion of peace? Your retort to that seems to be "other people kill people". Thats not addressing the topic at all.
I reserve judgement on whether or not Islam is a religion of peace until it can be demonstrated to me that it's not. I take Wibbs' point on board RE Muhammed and the foundations of Islam but beyond that there has been nothing. Absolutely nothing.
On this thread so far there has been:- Sweeping generalisations.
- A stoning article condemning Islam which in reality had nothing to do with Islam at all
- A Norwegian news report twisting the facts to portray Muslims in a bad light.
- Quotes taken out of context to distort it's true meaning from Islam's most sacred text.
Islam religion of violence [Embedded Image Removed]
Do you expect me to take your word that Islam is the devil when you clearly have no idea what you are talking about?Really you are a case study of my point that there is no sense of responsibility within the community, nor even an acknoledgment of the enormous problems within said community.
Seriously Sam, WTF are you talking about now? You do realise that I am not a Muslim?
Bet ya ignore this little faux pas!
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Ahh right Doh!Brown Bomber wrote: »I'll try to address your other points later but it's table 30 (Tabell 30) pg 55.
OK lets look at those statistics;
The title of the table is "Types of rape reported to the Oslo Police District 2010 with identified suspects / accused, by the perpetrator's country of origin. By percent." So your contention that Overfall is general assault is incorrect. It's clearly assault of a sexual nature in this context(and they make this clear in the text) so we can dismiss that explanation, or otherwise it's not just Fox news that is distorting the stats.
A couple of things; One Oslo has the highest Muslim population in Norway. Two, they come from different cultural/ethnic backgrounds http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Norway#Population broadly 30,000 from Pakistan, 28,000 from Somalia, 22,000 from Iraq, 15,000 each from Bosnia and Herzegovina, Iran and Turkey.
The stats for assault/rape/prosecutable sexual events breakdown thus;
Africans; 30%
Americans; 3%
Asians; 22%
Europeans; 21%
Middle Easterners; 23%
Norwegians; 53%
OK Middle Eastern peoples are most likely Muslim. Africans are most likely to be Somalians and Asians it could go either way depending on the defintions. European ditto considering the Bosnians. Either way the African and Middle eastern group combined make up the same percentage as the Norwegian. Yet they're the overall minority in Oslo. If you add in even a small percentage of the Asian/Europe groups that percentage goes up again.
What also comes out in the stat are the different circumstances were the assaults take place. Incest/Relasjon though that could mean marraige rape? is low in Africans, but high in Arabs and Norwegians. Sexual assault/Overfall is highest of all in Arabs. Sårbarhet comes back in translation as "vulnerability" so I don't know the Norge context.
In any event your contention that it's "Mostly carried out by people of NORWEGIAN descent" is hardly accurate. The stats do show that party rape(date rape) where the victim is known to their attacker is highest among Norwegians, however the "classic" type stranger rape is highest among Muslim men as the text says Perpetrators of the Middle East, which is strongly present among the identified perpetrators behind the attack rapes, are underrepresented in this party-related rape type. Basically you're in more danger from a Norwegian man you may know in a "party" situation, but in more danger from a Muslim background man walking down the street.
So.. These numbered 6 in total. 4 being committed by men (perhaps even women?) from the Middle East and 2 from Africa. Assault rape and those 6 were most likely from a Muslim background.
Like I said I am not saying "Muslim men are rapists!!". I am saying that certain aspects of Islamic culture can make some men go either way. On the on side they see women as otherwise exploited and in need of protection and defence and that's the good side. Dead one for all the slagging he may get around here is one of those IMHO. He has made this point more than once. Women are to be protected and cherished by the culture and "strong men" kinda thing. While I don't agree with his reasoning I'm pretty damn sure he would be first in line to defend a woman in risk of sexual assault. Muslim or Non Muslim(indeed his take on non muslim women is how they're exploited sexually in the west, which I would be in some agreement with him). The other type and other side of the this makes a distinction between "pure women" and non pure, Muslim and non Muslim and the latter are fair game.
In any case for me this is going on a tangent to the thread title. Why? Though I believe that certain cultural aspects of Islam view women as somehow lesser(for all their protestations) and this can lead to all sorts of issues, I don't think it is much to do with the peace aspect. Plus in my personal experience of Muslim guys there are more like Dead one who would defend women from such attacks than idiots who would perpetrate them. Even if I may not agree with their reasoning behind it.Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.
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Ah so all the scources that proved you wrong werent good enough/ had an agenda? Couldnt of seen that coming.
1. They didn't "prove me wrong" as I never made any claims.
2. I never said they had an "agenda". I said that they didn't support your claims. They didn't. It appears that you were pulling facts out of your 'arris Sam.
What's more worrying is that you firmly believe this **** yourself without reason.
And your doing it again.With regard to Arab/Muslim my point was they do not believe
Except France from your source?it was an attack by what they see as "their side" - the belief it was not al Qaeda is higher in EVERY Muslim community, throughout the world, not just the Arabs.
Africa and the Middle East
URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=September_11_attacks_opinion_polls&action=edit§ion=29"]edit[/URL Egypt
A World Public Opinion opinion poll conducted in February 2007 found that 28% of respondents in Egypt believe Al Qaeda were responsible. 9% said the U.S. government were responsible, 29% said Israel and 5% named another country. 29% said they did not know.[29]
A World Public Opinion poll conducted between July and September 2008 found that 23% of respondents in Egypt believe Al Qaeda were responsible. 13% said the U.S. government were responsible, 17% said Israel and 1% named another country. 46% said they did not know.[29]
The World Public Opinion opinion poll conducted during the summer of 2008 found that 16% of respondents in Egypt believe Al Qaeda were responsible. 12% said the U.S. government were responsible, 43% said Israel and 11% named another country. 18% said they did not know.[2]
URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=September_11_attacks_opinion_polls&action=edit§ion=30"]edit[/URL Jordan
A World Public Opinion poll conducted between July and September 2008 found that 11% of respondents in Jordan believe Al Qaeda were responsible. 17% said the U.S. government were responsible, 31% said Israel and 4% named another country. 36% said they did not know.[29]
URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=September_11_attacks_opinion_polls&action=edit§ion=31"]edit[/URL Kenya
The World Public Opinion opinion poll conducted during the summer of 2008 found that 77% of respondents in Kenya believe Al Qaeda were responsible. 4% said the U.S. government were responsible, 3% said Israel and 3% named another country. 12% said they did not know.[2]
URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=September_11_attacks_opinion_polls&action=edit§ion=32"]edit[/URL Morocco
A World Public Opinion poll conducted in December 2006 found that 35% of respondents in Morocco believe Al Qaeda were responsible. 16% said the U.S. government were responsible, 15% said Israel and 7% named another country. 28% said they did not know.[29]
URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=September_11_attacks_opinion_polls&action=edit§ion=33"]edit[/URL Nigeria
The World Public Opinion opinion poll conducted during the summer of 2008 found that 71% of respondents in Nigeria believe Al Qaeda were responsible. 7% said the U.S. government were responsible, 2% said Israel and 6% named another country. 14% said they did not know.[2]
A World Public Opinion poll conducted in Nigeria between July and September 2008 that included only Muslim interviewees found that 64% of the respondents believed Al Qaeda were responsible. 9% said the U.S. government were responsible, 2% said Israel, and 7% named another country. 19% said they did not know.[29]
URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=September_11_attacks_opinion_polls&action=edit§ion=34"]edit[/URL Palestinian territories
A World Public Opinion poll conducted between July and September 2008 found that 42% of respondents in the Palestinian territories believe Al Qaeda were responsible. 27% said the U.S. government were responsible, 19% said Israel and 9% named another country. 3% said they did not know.[29]
You were saying....................?The common denominator is their religion and you were right to begin with, no reputable polling site would ask regarding "Muslims". "Arab" is clearly a placeholder to ascertain do they believe was it the people the authoritites said it was.
As opposed to asking if it was Al Qaeda??????????It is very clear they do not have some information no one else has, it has everything to do with their inability to believe it originated within a community that they consider themselves a part of. My point stands.
No it doesn't. See above.
Listen Sam, you haven't established the "massive misogyny or that "rape is many more times common". It's put up or shut-up time here-The massive misogony and objectification of women has nothing to do with rape being many times more common originating within Muslim communities?Thats a very interesting view point. I cannot be bothered looking up where I read it but I do remember when that gang was arrested in the UK a Muslim youth representative admitted that it was aproblem recgonised within the community. You can look around if you want, I couldnt be bothered considering you will probably just continue with an ad hominum regarding the scources.
All I've said about the sources is that they don't support your claims. Surely it is a good thing if rape is recognised as a problem within a community???
If you can't be "bothered" to support your claims you shouldn't make them. Especially if they are negative and play on ignorant stereotypes.
QUOTE=SamHarris;74032508] What else, do you believe explains it? [/QUOTE]
Sam, there is nothing to explain at this point other than your baseless slurs against over a billion people who you seem to know all intimately-
Of course they were to make a point - namely that your claim that only Muslims kill and commit massacres in the Middle East is false. They are "random" examples from countless ones I could have chosen.Random examples? They seem much more like hand picked to try and make a point.
No.Ok so you do not believe the vast majority of the deaths in the middle east are caused by Muslims against Mulims?I think I see one of your problems, you hear how many people were killed in, say, a suicide blast in Baghdad, and your assumption is that it was US forces, or judging by your past posts "da joos"...
OK. That's 7,000 from the 1,000,000 accounted for.For example in Afghanistan
The UN estimated that in 2007 700 civilian deaths were caused by NATO action - total violent deaths due to conflict? 8000 that mean 7300 were killed by Muslims (100% of Afghan pop) on other Muslims. Ill let you google it, Im sure youll have fun.
I appreciate the modesty, but no apology neccessary. It would be better if you could try to become aware of your own prejudice instead which gave you the false impression and reflect on it.Apologies if you are not Muslim,
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Sam, there is nothing to explain at this point other than your baseless slurs against over a billion people who you seem to know all intimately-Brown Bomber wrote: »1. They didn't "prove me wrong" as I never made any claims.
2. I never said they had an "agenda". I said that they didn't support your claims. They didn't. It appears that you were pulling facts out of your 'arris Sam.
What's more worrying is that you firmly believe this **** yourself without reason.
And your doing it again.
Except France from your source?
You were saying....................?
As opposed to asking if it was Al Qaeda??????????
No it doesn't. See above.
Listen Sam, you haven't established the "massive misogyny or that "rape is many more times common". It's put up or shut-up time here-
All I've said about the sources is that they don't support your claims. Surely it is a good thing if rape is recognised as a problem within a community???
If you can't be "bothered" to support your claims you shouldn't make them. Especially if they are negative and play on ignorant stereotypes.
QUOTE=SamHarris;74032508] What else, do you believe explains it?
Of course they were to make a point - namely that your claim that only Muslims kill and commit massacres in the Middle East is false. They are "random" examples from countless ones I could have chosen.
No.
OK. That's 7,000 from the 1,000,000 accounted for.
I appreciate the modesty, but no apology neccessary. It would be better if you could try to become aware of your own prejudice instead which gave you the false impression and reflect on it.
your doing it again.:pac:[/QUOTE]
No they did. You asked for a scource for my opinion. I provided.
Muslims are many times for likely to be involved in a rape case.
In this case it was cited as a major contributing factor for the perpetrators actions http://www.derbyscb.org.uk/docs/BD09SCRExecutiveSummary.pdf
In Afghanistan it is routine for women to be gang raped in Tribal justice - the peoples justification for this? Religious. Fine its not the misogony. Its something else in their teachings. It hardly supports your assertions regardless.
Check out similar polls regarding 9 11 on non-Muslims populations it is a fraction of the size. Do you beleive these Muslim groups have access to some information others do not? Can you cite another reason why there would be such a large discrepency?
1,000,000? Your making stuff up. Although judging by you other posts that is par for course. Im starting to see there is a reason why you stick mainly to the CT forum.
Its not a prejudice to judge people on what they say they believe, and the effect these beliefs routinely have on others. I never said I disliked Muslims, I did point out the enormous detrimental effect a dedication to Islam can have everywhere.
I dont really care about your opinion on anything else, so I couldnt be bothered talking about lots of stuff that are irrelevant, if you do not wish to google something yourself, or consistantly dispute scources really there is no point in dealing with anything even remotly abstract.
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The point of the thread was "Is Islam a religion of Peace?" The very fact that 1000's of people every year kill themselves and others in the name of Islam proves that this is not the case. What did the hijackers shout as they flew a plane into a building? "Allah Ackbar". Very clearly for alot of people violence is a religious perogative, tell us why you do not believe that?
There has been many quotes from the koran presented, the hsitory of Islam, indeed its founding, was violent, to see modern examples all you need to do is turn on the TV or think for 2 seconds about the last 10 years.
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See, wibbs let talk about stats --- Read this whole plagiarismEh these are police and government reports. In fact the UK links deliberately avoid saying "Muslim". Mainstream press, even crap ones like Sky/Fox all avoid saying "muslim men" in connection with these things. They nearly always say "Asian man". It was part of the point I was making. If these reports were biased according to you they wouldn't be saying Asian.
This should be good.
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=73859812&postcount=104
This report has analyzed data from America and Europe (a good portion of the entire Western world), and the threat from Islamic terrorism is much more minimal than commonly assumed; in the U.S., it accounts for 6% of terrorist attacks, and in Europe not even half of a percent :
Now why media hide real islam?
You picked a special example i.e Khadija and generalized all the women living in that society--- Do you think it is honesty---- If it is honesty then let see in present time--- I give you example of Pakistan--- You know this ladyThe only history you use is your religions. In any case my point was if before Islam women were little better than dogs how does a woman like Khadijah become wealthy? Her husbands wealth? Sorry according to you before Islam women couldn't inherit money. Before Islam how does a woman like Khadijah have enough social standing to ask for a reknowned man's hand in marriage, if they had no say in their affairs? It's contradictory.
She was prime minister of Pakistan---- Pakistan, a society with full of ignorant people ---- not all Pakistani are ignorant but majority are ignorant--- Now can if i use this lady as an example to represent all the ladies in Pakistan, if i do then that would be greatest dishonesty on this mortal planet--- That's what you are doing--- Now lets see --- in the mirror of history
back to to madame kylith postOriginally Posted by kylith
Just on the subject of the treatment of women, please read this it is an account by a Muslim lady of her experiences in public, in broad daylight, at the hands of Muslim men.
She displayed treatment of a womn in the same society where same women was honored as president--- Tell is there any other society, except few --- Same society with two faces --- but majority of women in Pakistani society aren't treated well--- Should i use Benazir Bhutto to represent all those women who aren't treated well--- See wibbs, be honest!!!! because honesty is always best policy --- who has made up your mind that every your quote is giving the same message that is "Honesty isn't BEST POLICY''' ---
a) says the woman who's carefully brainwashed (by the same man:)) that the era of freedom has finally dawned upon hersays yer man who's obsessed with controlling women :rolleyes:
b) says the woman who is now decreased to being a decoration piece in commercial institutions
c) says the woman who is now a source of entertainment for hungry men.
e) says the woman who comforts the fatigue of tired minds and bodies..
f) says the woman who is reduced to Immodest and shameful scenes in movies/commercials
by the woman in above means (women as general eastern or western) not any special women----
Uncovered gals walking shameless!
Dead one got an eyeful, and felt bashful
“Your veiling?” he asked. “With our men!” they said.
“It covers their insight , and adorns their understanding,!”0 -
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i ain't talking about you --- i use the word "woman" to generalize women in the world ---- I ain't selfish that i attack on you to make my point--- You have to keep whole picture in your mind -- don't reduce "woman" to your self ---
woman is singular so it wasn't unreasonable to presume you were addressing bluewolf, I definitely thought the same.
If you mean women, then use women in the post.
If you can read this, you're too close!
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