Waterford GAA Discussion Thread 2009-2011

tonc76 · 03-04-2011 3:43pm

How are Crotty and BOS playing?

Cake Man · 03-04-2011 3:47pm

2-18 to 1-14 now, Brian O' Sullivan goal.

Two lads doing alright, Crotty got a lovely point first half, BOS just got a goal.

Cake Man · 03-04-2011 3:56pm

2-18 to 1-17, we're giving away too many frees and Dooley just tapping them over. We're after fading aay in this game, 8pts up a few minutes ago and now down to 4.

Cake Man · 03-04-2011 4:05pm

2-19 to 1-19 FT. 3 point win for Waterford, Offaly came back into it in the last 20mins but we hung on just about. Disappointing how we faded out of it after being comfortably leading.

Wexford beat Cork and Tipp beat Galway so the league finalists will be decided next week!

O Riain · 03-04-2011 4:19pm

Cake Man wrote: »

2-19 to 1-19 FT. 3 point win for Waterford, Offaly came back into it in the last 20mins but we hung on just about. Disappointing how we faded out of it after being comfortably leading.

Wexford beat Cork and Tipp beat Galway so the league finalists will be decided next week!

Tipp beating galway helped us, tipp almost blowing galway off the park didnt. Tipp will have to lose against wexford, but wexford heads will be lifted after beating cork today so who knows, if Tipp win theres not a hope in hell we will win on points difference. Dublin will also need to win. Still a chance but its an outside bet.

Brian017 · 03-04-2011 4:22pm

Cake Man wrote: »

2-19 to 1-19 FT. 3 point win for Waterford, Offaly came back into it in the last 20mins but we hung on just about. Disappointing how we faded out of it after being comfortably leading.

Wexford beat Cork and Tipp beat Galway so the league finalists will be decided next week!

And relegation as well! Offaly drop into the relegation spot on score difference

With them playing Kilkenny and Tipp, it could come down to who gets hammered the least. Its the same situation for the 2nd Final spot (assuming Kilkenny win) between Galway and Dublin.. At the moment, Galway are only ahead on the 1 point score differential so it could come down to who wins by more for 2nd place as well. Exciting stuff

KevIRL · 03-04-2011 4:23pm

League table

KK 9 pts
Galway 8pts
Dublin 8pts
Tipp 7pts
Waterford 7pts
Cork 5pts
Offaly 2pts
Wexford 2pts

Final round of games
KK v Offaly
Waterford v Galway
Tipp v Wexford
Dublin v Cork

Certainly all to play for, not sure how teams are seperated if they finish level on points - is it the result of the head to head meeting or overall pts? Anyway, to qualify for the final we need to beat Galway, and hope Wexford beat Tipp and Cork beat Dublin. Still pretty unlikely

ul to the footballers today who seemed to put in a big performance but lose by 2 points

Cake Man · 03-04-2011 4:23pm

Yeah was thinking that, it would have been better had Tipp only winning by a few points. On top of all that, we'll have to beat Galway ourselves and they'll want to make amends for that massacre. Realistically we won't make the final, just too many very unlikely events need to happen.

jive · 03-04-2011 4:32pm

KevIRL wrote: »

ul to the footballers today who seemed to put in a big performance but lose by 2 points

RTE has them up as 1 point winners? Last minute goal maybe? 1-12 to 0-14

KevIRL · 03-04-2011 4:34pm

KevIRL wrote: »

League table

KK 9 pts
Galway 8pts
Dublin 8pts
Tipp 7pts
Waterford 7pts
Cork 5pts
Offaly 2pts
Wexford 2pts

Final round of games
KK v Offaly
Waterford v Galway
Tipp v Wexford
Dublin v Cork

Certainly all to play for, not sure how teams are seperated if they finish level on points - is it the result of the head to head meeting or overall pts? Anyway, to qualify for the final we need to beat Galway, and hope Wexford beat Tipp and Cork beat Dublin. Still pretty unlikely

ul to the footballers today who seemed to put in a big performance but lose by 2 points

If teams are level its settled by head to head. So if we beat Galway and Tipp beat Wexford they would be ahead of us. Obv if Dublin beat Cork they would be a point ahead

KevIRL · 03-04-2011 4:36pm

jive wrote: »

RTE has them up as 1 point winners? Last minute goal maybe? 1-12 to 0-14

RTE as unreliable as usual for the lower leagues.

Offaly goaled in the first half. Final score was Waterford 1-12 Offaly 1-14

jive · 03-04-2011 4:37pm

KevIRL wrote: »

RTE as unreliable as usual for the lower leagues.

Offaly goaled in the first half. Final score was Waterford 1-12 Offaly 1-14

Balls

As if their live updates are so fast that mistakes can happen. You'd think they'd get the scoreline right considering they take a good half hour to get the results up anyway.

Daysha · 03-04-2011 5:49pm

Just goes to show how crucial that first game against Dublin was. If we won that we'd be one win away from the league final regardless of other results.

KevIRL · 03-04-2011 6:36pm

Daysha wrote: »

Just goes to show how crucial that first game against Dublin was. If we won that we'd be one win away from the league final regardless of other results.

We did well to get the draw that day tbh, Dublin should have been out of sight by half time

deiseach · 03-04-2011 6:37pm

KevIRL wrote: »

RTE as unreliable as usual for the lower leagues.

Speaking of unreliable, did someone mention the GAA's website . . .

(It's been corrected since, so thank you Screengrab)

flahavaj · 03-04-2011 6:38pm

I think its safe to say Shane Walsh has made the full forward spot his own. He's playing great stuff, fair play to him.

Nice to see the two lads in the corner doing well as well, the more options we have the better.

Unlucky to the footballers today, good to see them making a real fist of it in Div 3. It's be huge to stay up.

deiseach · 03-04-2011 6:40pm

The footballers still have a chance, they have Louth at home in the last game who seem to be going backwards

STIG83 · 03-04-2011 7:04pm

Might give Waterford some hope if Shane Walsh is scoring goals.

Cake Man · 03-04-2011 7:45pm

Richie Foley had to be carried off second half today with an ankle injury, they said he looked to be in a bit of discomfort. Hopefully he'll be ok for Galway next Sunday as he's been in great form and clearly been our best performer this season to date. However, if he is out, we at least have plenty of options in midfield/half forward so having him back would just be a bonus.

Agree re. Shane Walsh, no.14 jersey is his for Championship now. Showed over the last few games if he gets in good ball he's well able to claim it and take his score.

Unlucky to the footballers, at least their fate is in their own hands with a home game to Louth next game and I think they will do it.

Deise Tom · 03-04-2011 10:06pm

Cake Man wrote: »

Unlucky to the footballers, at least their fate is in their own hands with a home game to Louth next game and I think they will do it.

No it is not.

http://www.gaa.ie/fixtures-and-results/league-tables/football-league-tables/roinn-3/

The table is from the G.A.A.s own website. There is other tables to be found on the net but they appear to be incorrect. [/FONT]
· Allianz Football League Division Three Round 7

· Waterford V Louth - Dungarvan

· Limerick V Wexford – Newcastlewest

· Westmeath V Offaly – Mullingar

· Cavan V Tipperary - Breffni

We need to win, Hope that Tipperary and Cavan does not end in a draw (Tipp would have seven pts, Cavan would have six but would be above us because they beat us) and that Wexford can beat Limerick. If we win and the other results don’t go our way it counts for little.

STIG83 · 03-04-2011 10:14pm

Cake Man wrote: »

Richie Foley had to be carried off second half today with an ankle injury, they said he looked to be in a bit of discomfort. Hopefully he'll be ok for Galway next Sunday as he's been in great form and clearly been our best performer this season to date. However, if he is out, we at least have plenty of options in midfield/half forward so having him back would just be a bonus.

Agree re. Shane Walsh, no.14 jersey is his for Championship now. Showed over the last few games if he gets in good ball he's well able to claim it and take his score.

Unlucky to the footballers, at least their fate is in their own hands with a home game to Louth next game and I think they will do it.

Hopefully Davy is reading this and gives Shane Walsh his chance in the championship.

Giveitfong · 04-04-2011 12:45am

Waterford always seem to struggle a bit against Offaly, and this game was no exception. When their second goal early in the second half put them eight or nine points up they seemed to be in cruise control, but a drop in intensity, poor tactics and some crazy decisions by Davy Fitzgerald left them hanging on by their finger tips at the end.

It was a bright day with a strong breeze blowing down the pitch, which was a little bumpy and soft following overnight rain. After a slow start, Waterford gradually began to put the scores on the board, mainly through Richie Foley frees (he scored nine in all from all distances and angles, with only one miss that I recall) and Shane Walsh, whose first touch was super and who ended up with 1-4, the goal coming after about 20 minutes when he seized on a mistake by an Offaly defender and finished expertly to the net from a difficult angle.

Waterford went in at half time 1-14 to 0-10 up, and after some early exchanges of scores in the second half, Brian O’Sullivan scored a good opportunist goal after Shane Walsh knocked down a long delivery into the Offaly goalmouth. This was the cue for Waterford to relax and get careless, and when Joe Bergin goaled after about 15 minutes, Offaly raised their game and with Shane Dooley repeatedly punishing Waterford fouls (he finished with eleven points from frees), they eventually reduced the Waterford lead to three points but time caught up with them. Final score Waterford 2-19 Offaly 1-19

Waterford’s cause wasn’t helped by overelaboration, especially with handpassing, and what appears to be a diktat from Davy to go past your marker before releasing the ball. On numerous occasions today, Waterford players tried this when they had plenty of time and space to get the ball away and proceeded to lose the ball against hard-working opponents. Somebody should tell Davy that early, well-directed ball, is the key to opening up defences in hurling.

Further problems for Waterford ensued from the introduction of Eoin McGrath to replace Stephen Molumphy midway through the second half. I don’t know what Davy sees in McGrath, but suffice it to say that his contribution was the same as that when he was brought in against Kilkenny last week. Then, when Richie Foley went off injured with about 15 minutes to go, Eoin Kelly was brought in at full forward with Shane Walsh, who had been destroying the Offaly full back David Kenny, moving out to the half forward line. It was noticeable that Kenny stormed into the game after this switch with Kelly, for the second week in a row, offering no threat.

Clinton Hennessy had a sound game in goal for Waterford. He had little chance with Bergin’s goal, and did well to keep out another Bergin effort early in the game. Eoin Murphy was predictably a little rusty, but did okay at right corner back. Wayne Hutchinson did some good things but overall struggled a bit against Joe Bergin, who scored 1-2 and could have had two more goals, but he failed to get the ball past Clinton Hennessy when he got clean through in the first half and he had another point blank shot for a goal late in the game which Hutchinson managed to block down. In the left corner Noel Connors had his usual sound game, although his tendency to carry the ball out of defence rather than clearing it is a bit unnerving at times.

At right half back Tony Browne looked like he had never been away. For someone playing his first game of the year his first touch was excellent and his positional play was a good as ever. What a man! Brick Walsh was also excellent at centre back while on the other wing Jamie Nagle as usual hit a lot of ball without ever being convincing. He was replaced near the end by David O’Sullivan who made an immediate impression. His strength under the high ball and forceful play for me make him look a better option than Nagle.

In midfield, Richie Foley (apart from his freetaking) and Kevin Moran both had fine games. Seamus Prendergast started at right half forward but apart from one nice point made little impression. He was replaced late in the game by Paudie Mahony who had little impact. Shane O’Sullivan won a lot of ball but his use of it was poor enough. Stephen Molumphy as ever had a great work rate, winning his usual quote of dirty ball. Neither of these apply to his replacement Eoin McGrath.

At full forward Shane Walsh had a super game. Gavin Crotty had little impact at corner forward, apart from one neat point in the first half. Brian O’Sullivan ended up with 1-2 from play, which cannot be sniffed at, but his general performance was not great. In the first half in particular he was almost completely out of it. In the second half he got on the ball a lot more but more often than not ended up losing possession. Both Crotty and O’Sullivan lack physical strength, and this was apparent in their 50:50 exchanges with tougher opponents. However, O’Sullivan in particular has shown with Ballygunner that he knows how to score and this was apparent again today

Waterford scorers: Richie Foley (0-9, all frees); Shane Walsh (1-4); Brian O’Sullivan (1-2); Gavin Crotty (0-1); Kevin Moran (0-1); Shane O’Sullivan (0-1); Seamus Prendergast (0-1).

Offaly scorers: Shane Dooley (0-12, one from play); Joe Bergin (1-2); Brian Carroll (0-3); Colin Egan (0-1); Cathal Parlon (0-1).

deiseach · 04-04-2011 9:38am

Deise Tom wrote: »

No it is not.

http://www.gaa.ie/fixtures-and-results/league-tables/football-league-tables/roinn-3/

The table is from the G.A.A.s own website. There is other tables to be found on the net but they appear to be incorrect. [/FONT]
· Allianz Football League Division Three Round 7

· Waterford V Louth - Dungarvan

· Limerick V Wexford – Newcastlewest

· Westmeath V Offaly – Mullingar

· Cavan V Tipperary - Breffni
We need to win, Hope that Tipperary and Cavan does not end in a draw (Tipp would have seven pts, Cavan would have six but would be above us because they beat us) and that Wexford can beat Limerick. If we win and the other results don’t go our way it counts for little.

Good spot, DT, but happily not the whole story.

If we beat Louth, we finish ahead of them. So we'd be safe

Deise Tom · 04-04-2011 11:09am

deiseach wrote: »

Good spot, DT, but happily not the whole story.

If we beat Louth, we finish ahead of them. So we'd be safe

If three or more teams finish on six points, it will go down to score difference and not who beats who. The who beats who situation only comes into play if two teams finish level on points.

deisedude · 04-04-2011 11:10am

Was at the football match yesterday in Dungarvan. Must say i was very disappointed with the result given Waterford totally outplayed Offaly for long periods.

In the first half Waterford were at one stage 1-5 to 0-3 points to the good but somehow managed to go in at half time one point in arrears.

Really feel the team could use the early ball more. Trying to handpass it up the pitch and running into contact made their gameplan very predictable at times

Dont think Owens substitutions were the best either. He took off Eamon Walsh and Shane Briggs who were both having good games IMO. Also with the game in the balance and looking for a goal, he doesnt bring on Liam O Lionan who is a proven goal scorer

deiseach · 04-04-2011 11:14am

Deise Tom wrote: »

If three or more teams finish on six points, it will go down to score difference and not who beats who. The who beats who situation only comes into play if two teams finish level on points.

Wasn't sure whether that was the case but then we'd be ahead of Cavan on score difference - we're equal at the moment so if we win and they draw we'd be ahead. Jaysus, what a mess!

liogairmhordain · 04-04-2011 4:09pm

There seems to be an inconsistency in the gaa's aproach to separating teams that finish level on points. HQ has decided that head-to-head results are the way to go when 2 teams are level but not when more than 2 teams are level.
Barring a draw in the cavan match, there is no way Waterford can finish level on 6 points with a team that has beaten us. If Waterford, Limerick and Cavan all win next weekend, the following teams will finish on 6 points - Waterford, Louth, Tipperary and Limerick will all finish joint bottom on 6 points.
If a "mini-group" of the four teams' results were used (this is what uefa does, for example - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Euro_2012_qualifying#Tiebreakers_2) Waterford would finish 5th having beaten the other 3. Louth, Tipperary and Limerick have all beaten each other (Louth beat Tipp, Tipp beat Limerick and Limerick beat Louth) so would be divided using the points difference from their games against all other teams on 6 points.
The use of this system by UEFA is the reason Slovakia are currently deemed to be ahead of Russia with Ireland in 3rd place, even though all three are on 10 pts and Ireland have the best goal difference: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Euro_2012_qualifying_Group_B)

Anyway the bottom line is Waterford have to win. That will put us and Louth on 6 points. Then Waterford could finish anywhere between 5th and 8th, depending on the results of other games. We should hope Tipp win up in Cavan, that way we'll definitely finish ahead of Cavan. Then we'd be safe if Wexford beat Limerick - Cavan and Limerick would be relegated. In fact, we'd finish 5th, ahead of Louth because of having beaten them.
If Limerick win, and Waterford, Limerick and Louth all finish on 6, then points difference will be used to relegate one of them along with Cavan. In that case, we'll need to have beaten Louth by 10 points, or by 7 points more than Limerick have beaten Wexford.

Deise Tom · 04-04-2011 6:18pm

liogairmhordain wrote: »

Anyway the bottom line is Waterford have to win.

Agree. And as many people as is possible should make their way to Fraher Field on Sunday and be a 16th man for Waterford. Waterford is supposed to be this great G.A.A. County but at times you have to wonder where all this support is.

Et Cetera · 05-04-2011 9:51am

deisedude wrote: »

Was at the football match yesterday in Dungarvan. Must say i was very disappointed with the result given Waterford totally outplayed Offaly for long periods.

In the first half Waterford were at one stage 1-5 to 0-3 points to the good but somehow managed to go in at half time one point in arrears.

Really feel the team could use the early ball more. Trying to handpass it up the pitch and running into contact made their gameplan very predictable at times

Dont think Owens substitutions were the best either. He took off Eamon Walsh and Shane Briggs who were both having good games IMO. Also with the game in the balance and looking for a goal, he doesnt bring on Liam O Lionan who is a proven goal scorer

Liam is still in the middle stages of recovering from a broken leg.

deisedude · 05-04-2011 10:19am

Et Cetera wrote: »

Liam is still in the middle stages of recovering from a broken leg.

I knew he had been injured. Dont see the point of naming an injured man on the bench if he cant play though

Et Cetera · 05-04-2011 10:21am

deisedude wrote: »

I knew he had been injured. Dont see the point of naming an injured man on the bench if he cant play though

A ridiculously large injury list possibly.

Deise Tom · 05-04-2011 11:32am

deisedude wrote: »

I knew he had been injured. Dont see the point of naming an injured man on the bench if he cant play though

He is back training but was not 100% match fit. Could play this week v Louth.

carter10 · 06-04-2011 11:38pm

Would it be worth trying Noel Conners at full back? Height obviously an issue but he has the hurling. Id try a full back line of Fives Conners Murphy for the Galway game.

deisedude · 07-04-2011 9:10am

carter10 wrote: »

Would it be worth trying Noel Conners at full back? Height obviously an issue but he has the hurling. Id try a full back line of Fives Conners Murphy for the Galway game.

If you put Conners in full back the opposition are just going to rain in high ball. He is good but he is not superman and wont be able to win the majority of high balls against someone with a huge height advantage. Its a non runner IMO. Hutch are Shane Fives should be only two people considered for full back at this stage

alllcounty · 07-04-2011 9:44am

Strategic Plan circulated amongst clubs
06 April 2011
The Strategic Plan for the future development of Waterford GAA has been sent out to the county's clubs.

A draft format of the plan - drawn up by former Waterford player Michael Walsh (City Manager for Waterford Corporation) - was circulated within the past week and will be returned to the County Board for discussion.
Walsh boasts a wealth of experience in administration and in gaelic games; he has provided his services to Waterford GAA on a voluntary basis.

His plan covers the next five years and embraces the medium-term future of all aspects of Waterford GAA.

Recommendations for restructuring are set out in great detail over the course of a comprehensive 20-page document.

I wonder are they finally going to play the intermediate games in the county like the senior league/championship. At the moment feels like we have 2 different counties in waterford, with 2 different divisions in the east and west of the county keeping the standards and quality of matchs at intermediate and under 21 at a poor level. Cant see the point why our county board prevents gaa clubs from either side of the county from playing each other at these levels. Any new suggestions in the strategic plan to correct this will be much welcomed.

deisebhoy17 · 07-04-2011 12:42pm

deisedude wrote: »

Hutch are Shane Fives should be only two people considered for full back at this stage

Agreed.. Looks like Hutchy for the championship now. I would have had him there a couple years back when he was in his early 20s and hed be much more established now. He's 25 goin on 26 now and not very experienced at championship level. Similar to Liam Lawlor last year (he must come back from injury yet, should be considered also). Justin McCarthys reluctance to give youth a chance is now bearing fruit... Thats why its important that we use the league to continue to blood all these youngsters coming through.

PTH2009 · 07-04-2011 1:09pm

are they any Waterford senoir hurling challenge games set to take place before the munster semi vs limerick on june 12th.

thesultan · 07-04-2011 4:13pm

They are playing Kilkenny in Tallow on the 22nd if May I think,

kensutz · 07-04-2011 4:13pm

Playing Cork on the May bank holiday weekend in Clashmore.

Trenchman · 07-04-2011 4:20pm

Game v Cork should be very interesting.The game they played in the league in Dungarvan was a cracker jack of a game.Neither side in the league final so two strong teams.

Deise Tom · 07-04-2011 11:10pm

Waterford Team to play Louth on Sunday. Hopefully the team will be well supported.

1. Kieran Cotter Geraldines
2. Maurice O’Gorman Nire
3. Thomas O’Gorman Nire
4. Kieran Connery Clashmore
5. Wayne Hennessy Ardmore CAPTAIN
6. Shane Briggs Ballinacourty
7. John Hurney Ballinacourty
8. Tommy Prendergast Kilrossanty
9. Brian Phelan Ballinameela
10. Brian Wall Nire
11. Sean Fleming Clashmore
12. Tommy Connors Stradbally
13. Eamonn Walsh Ballinameela
14. Patrick Hurney Ballinacourty
15. Mark Ferncombe Ballinacourty

namespace · 08-04-2011 9:47am

Deise Tom wrote: »

Waterford Team to play Louth on Sunday. Hopefully the team will be well supported.

1. Kieran Cotter Geraldines
2. Maurice O’Gorman Nire
3. Thomas O’Gorman Nire
4. Kieran Connery Clashmore
5. Wayne Hennessy Ardmore CAPTAIN
6. Shane Briggs Ballinacourty
7. John Hurney Ballinacourty
8. Tommy Prendergast Kilrossanty
9. Brian Phelan Ballinameela
10. Brian Wall Nire
11. Sean Fleming Clashmore
12. Tommy Connors Stradbally
13. Eamonn Walsh Ballinameela
14. Patrick Hurney Ballinacourty
15. Mark Ferncombe Ballinacourty

This is the same team picked for last 3 games, expect something different.

johnfarmer · 08-04-2011 3:54pm

namespace wrote: »

This is the same team picked for last 3 games, expect something different.

I'd be guessing Eamon Walsh will play as a third midfielder or maybe in between the full and half back lines. This would make space for fast forwards such as Fleming, Ferncombe and Hurney.

The other option would be a direct swap with Walsh and Hennessey. But one thing is for sure, Walsh won't be playing corner forward!

Hopefully Liam O'Lionan will be introduced at some stage.

namespace · 08-04-2011 4:27pm

Nor Fleming at 11.

Deise Tom · 08-04-2011 5:27pm

johnfarmer wrote: »

I'd be guessing Eamon Walsh will play as a third midfielder or maybe in between the full and half back lines. This would make space for fast forwards such as Fleming, Ferncombe and Hurney.

The other option would be a direct swap with Walsh and Hennessey. But one thing is for sure, Walsh won't be playing corner forward!

Hopefully Liam O'Lionan will be introduced at some stage.

If the 15 selected is the team that plays, Expect something like last week, Tommy Prendergast to move to full forward, Eamon Walsh to move to Centre Field, Sean Fleming to move into the corner and Patrick Hurney to start on the 50.

liogairmhordain · 10-04-2011 3:29pm

footballers level at half time and heading for relegation unless things turn around in a few games

STIG83 · 10-04-2011 3:38pm

liogairmhordain wrote: »

footballers level at half time and heading for relegation unless things turn around in a few games

Hopefully they stay up.

flahavaj · 10-04-2011 5:39pm

F*cking disaster for the footballers.:(

deisedude · 10-04-2011 5:52pm

flahavaj wrote: »

F*cking disaster for the footballers.:(

Disappointing league campaign but at least they were competitive in all their games bar the Wexford game. A fit Gary Hurney and Liom O Lionan would have made a huge difference to their survival hopes if they had been fit for the campaign

liogairmhordain · 10-04-2011 6:39pm

hard luck to the footballers. the final league table doesn't tell half the picture about the tiny margins in this division.

louth were losing with about ten minutes to go and were all set to finish joint bottom of the table with waterford, tipp and limerick, with only points difference keeping them up. instead they came back to win and were promoted on points difference.

sendings off cost waterford dearly against westmeath and louth. we were drawing with westmeath when thomas o gorman was sent off and beating louth when tony grey was sent off. we ended up losing both games whereas westmeath and louth got promoted.

the cavan goalie o'reilly made a save at the very end to deny us a win up there. the westmeath goalie connaughton made a couple of big saves in mullingar at crucial times. last week the offaly goalie mulhall got man of the match in most reports for his performance.

anyway the championship is coming and presumably a defeat in p ui caoimh over the june bank holiday. hopefully waterford will get a home draw in the qualifiers. who knows, if we have a full team out against a beatable team (anyone from div 3 or 4, and a few from div 2) it could be the start of a memorable run along the lines of wicklow, longford, fermanagh etc of recent years.

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