Student Protest Kicks Off (see video only posts warning)

Denerick · 03-11-2010 06:56PM

Stinicker wrote: »

Every man and woman has a patriotic duty to get these traitorous crooks out of office - by force and violence as necessary.

Great. Hope you enjoy the special criminal court.

ThisRegard · 03-11-2010 06:57PM

The USI rep on the Last Word was not happy with how the protest was hijacked by the usual mob of socialists, republicans and others of that ilk.

Denerick · 03-11-2010 06:57PM

Gman1 wrote: »

I agree, how many revolutions or coups are won with peaceful protests?. NONE

Quite a few, actually. But no no, you revert to your default caveman setting while the rest of civilisation attempts to rebuild from the ruins.

It wasn't me! · 03-11-2010 06:58PM

Stinicker wrote: »

The gardai had no right to do what they done today and these are the facts.

Ireland is bankrupt
Fianna Fail are a corrupt party acting illegally
4 Constituencies are not getting their democratic representation
A judge has ruled the current government are infringing upon the Constitution
Fianna Fail will do anything to cling onto power and protect their corrupt elite
The ordinary person of Ireland is staring into a black abyss

The students were right to protest and there should be more protests against Fianna Fail.

If the Gardai are prepared to defend an illegal regime who are shredding our constitution and democracy then the Gardai are also the enemy and should be prepared for the consequences.

Every man and woman has a patriotic duty to get these traitorous crooks out of office - by force and violence as necessary.

So you're saying that you want a violent revolt against the government and the Gardai? Riiight... Great plan in the current situation, definitely won't damage our country in terms of international investment or anything. You should be Taoiseach.

PanchoVilla wrote: »

Now this is complete bollocks. If there's a threat of violence the last thing the Gardaí should do is send in a large number of riot police. This only serves to give the potentially violent protesters a target and gives the Gardaí a reason to shut the whole protest down. What should have been done was the Gardaí should have had plain clothes officers patrolling the crowd and pulling anyone who was getting overly aggressive to the side. Instead, they go in with shields up and batons drawn.

So they should go in, without armour or defences, into an aggressive crowd, to enforce the peace? That's got to be the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard, seriously.

This was an intentional act by the Gardaí and the government to intimidate the general public and deter future protesters from taking action. It happens all the time and usually it works. Do you remember the Reclaim the Streets demo a few years back where Gardaí violently attacked peaceful protesters? The organizers decided not to hold any more demos because of the fear of more police brutality.

Ah, conspiracy theories, got to love that.

Poccington · 03-11-2010 07:00PM

Stinicker wrote: »

The gardai had no right to do what they done today and these are the facts.

Ireland is bankrupt
Fianna Fail are a corrupt party acting illegally
4 Constituencies are not getting their democratic representation
A judge has ruled the current government are infringing upon the Constitution
Fianna Fail will do anything to cling onto power and protect their corrupt elite
The ordinary person of Ireland is staring into a black abyss

The students were right to protest and there should be more protests against Fianna Fail.

If the Gardai are prepared to defend an illegal regime who are shredding our constitution and democracy then the Gardai are also the enemy and should be prepared for the consequences.

Every man and woman has a patriotic duty to get these traitorous crooks out of office - by force and violence as necessary.

Overthrow the Government with force and violence?

I can assure you, that wouldn't end well for anyone who attempted it.

PeterIanStaker · 03-11-2010 07:03PM

ThisRegard wrote: »

The USI rep on the Last Word was not happy with how the protest was hijacked by the usual mob of socialists, republicans and others of that ilk.

Never thought I'd agree with anything someone from the USI said, but I do agree just on that.

Corsendonk · 03-11-2010 07:06PM

Bit ironic that this generation of students is protesting about funding since there the silver spoon generation.

Wolfe Tone · 03-11-2010 07:07PM

Stinicker wrote: »

The gardai had no right to do what they done today and these are the facts.

Ireland is bankrupt
Fianna Fail are a corrupt party acting illegally
4 Constituencies are not getting their democratic representation
A judge has ruled the current government are infringing upon the Constitution
Fianna Fail will do anything to cling onto power and protect their corrupt elite
The ordinary person of Ireland is staring into a black abyss

The students were right to protest and there should be more protests against Fianna Fail.

If the Gardai are prepared to defend an illegal regime who are shredding our constitution and democracy then the Gardai are also the enemy and should be prepared for the consequences.

Every man and woman has a patriotic duty to get these traitorous crooks out of office - by force and violence as necessary.

Dont lose the plot now chara. We should exert huge pressure on the govt, but not by violent(in the traditional sense, not Denericks definition) but by peaceful things such as sit ins.

PanchoVilla · 03-11-2010 07:07PM

Poccington wrote: »

Overthrow the Government with force and violence?

I can assure you, that wouldn't end well for anyone who attempted it.

I agree that violence should not be the first option on the table, but when citizens can't protest peacefully against a deeply corrupt government without the fear of violence and intimidation being used against them then that limits the available options quite a bit.

PanchoVilla · 03-11-2010 07:11PM

Corsendonk wrote: »

Bit ironic that this generation of students is protesting about funding since there the silver spoon generation.

Way to generalize there buddy. Are you still under the misconception that everyone benefited from the so-called "Celtic Tiger"? What about all the students whose parents have lost their jobs? What about the large number of students on €100 a week and are unable to find a job? You think they'll be able to afford the extra €1000 in fees?

gingelion · 03-11-2010 07:12PM

ThisRegard wrote: »

The USI rep on the Last Word was not happy with how the protest was hijacked by the usual mob of socialists, republicans and others of that ilk.

Exactly right too. I was outside the dept of finance earlier and it was all socialist and sinn fein flags in the doorway. they started the trouble, not the students.

the groutch · 03-11-2010 07:14PM

notice the Gardai are out in force to prevent a peaceful protest, but when residents in certain estates are being terrorised in their own home, they're nowhere to be seen

Overheal · 03-11-2010 07:14PM

PanchoVilla wrote: »

I agree that violence should not be the first option on the table, but when citizens can't protest peacefully against a deeply corrupt government without the fear of violence and intimidation being used against them then that limits the available options quite a bit.

Weren't they allowed to peacefully protest though? From what I'm reading, things only took a bad turn when the USI/crowd started throwing things at the AGS, and a group of students broke into Finance.

PanchoVilla wrote: »

Now this is complete bollocks. If there's a threat of violence the last thing the Gardaí should do is send in a large number of riot police. This only serves to give the potentially violent protesters a target and gives the Gardaí a reason to shut the whole protest down. What should have been done was the Gardaí should have had plain clothes officers patrolling the crowd and pulling anyone who was getting overly aggressive to the side. Instead, they go in with shields up and batons drawn.

With respect, that sounds utterly unsound. You think protesters will respond to some stranger manhandling them, or cuffing them? how long until people just start beating the pulp out of eachother because they think they're all undercover cops?

I'm sorry but decades of Crowd Control in action stand against your theory.

PanchoVilla · 03-11-2010 07:14PM

gingelion wrote: »

Exactly right too. I was outside the dept of finance earlier and it was all socialist and sinn fein flags in the doorway. they started the trouble, not the students.

Ah yeah, because there are no students in the SWP or Sinn Féin. :rolleyes:

Overheal · 03-11-2010 07:18PM

the groutch wrote: »

notice the Gardai are out in force to prevent a peaceful protest, but when residents in certain estates are being terrorised in their own home, they're nowhere to be seen

So a few people might terrorize a neighborhood.

how does that compare to 20,000 or more people shutting down Dublin to stage a protest? Ear of Corn meet world's largest pumpkin.

PanchoVilla · 03-11-2010 07:19PM

Overheal wrote: »

Weren't they allowed to peacefully protest though? From what I'm reading, things only took a bad turn when the USI/crowd started throwing things at the AGS, and a group of students broke into Finance.

The Gardaí made themselves a target by showing up en masse dressed in riot gear. The 10-15 students sitting in the DoF weren't causing damage or threatening anyone. They should have been allowed to do their sit-in then leave peacefully, or the Gardaí could have gone in quietly and explained that they were not allowed inside government buildings. Instead they went in batons drawn and violently dragged people out. An overreaction by the Gardaí caused an overreaction by the protesters, not the other way around.

Fo Real · 03-11-2010 07:20PM

I couldn't believe it today when I saw a group of these "student protesters" carrying Palestinian flags :pac: That said, they probably weren't students but rather the usual far-left loonies that live to hi-jack legitimate protests.

Any of our resident apologists care to explain the connection between Palestine and the re-introduction of third level fees?

ThisRegard · 03-11-2010 07:20PM

At least one good thing to come from twitter was the early flagging of who was starting the trouble and all media reports I have heard since have reported this and by and large absolve the students. Of course you will have a number of eejits getting sucked in.

Overheal · 03-11-2010 07:20PM

PanchoVilla wrote: »

The Gardaí made themselves a target by showing up en masse dressed in riot gear. The 10-15 students sitting in the DoF weren't causing damage or threatening anyone. They should have been allowed to do their sit-in then leave peacefully, or the Gardaí could have gone in quietly and explained that they were not allowed inside government buildings. Instead they went in batons drawn and violently dragged people out. An overreaction by the Gardaí caused an overreaction by the protesters, not the other way around.

So students are rabid bulls who will enter a blood frenzy if they see a plastic riot shield? :rolleyes:

Poccington · 03-11-2010 07:20PM

PanchoVilla wrote: »

The Gardaí made themselves a target by showing up en masse dressed in riot gear. The 10-15 students sitting in the DoF weren't causing damage or threatening anyone. They should have been allowed to do their sit-in then leave peacefully, or the Gardaí could have gone in quietly and explained that they were not allowed inside government buildings. Instead they went in batons drawn and violently dragged people out. An overreaction by the Gardaí caused an overreaction by the protesters, not the other way around.

Oh right, so it's the fault of AGS that the students kicked off because they turned up in Public Order kit?

Stinicker · 03-11-2010 07:20PM

Denerick wrote: »

Great. Hope you enjoy the special criminal court.

I would gladly lay my life on the line to defend this country and my ancestors fought (in the War of Independence) and died (murdered playing GAA). I am not the type that is afraid of courts or the Gardai and I would kill for freedom and am prepared to die if Ireland needs me in war or times of trouble; How many cowards in this country can say the same thing and mean it?

If this country must descend into all out war against the cowards of Gardai then so be it.

It sickens me that it took Sinn Fein to directly challenge this illegal Government in court in an attempt to restore democracy to the people. Where are Fine Gael and Labour?

This is the same situation we are facing as our ancestors faced 100 years ago under oppression and no representation .

PanchoVilla · 03-11-2010 07:23PM

Overheal wrote: »

So a few people might terrorize a neighborhood.

how does that compare to 20,000 or more people shutting down Dublin to stage a protest? Ear of Corn meet world's largest pumpkin.

"Shutting down Dublin"? Less of the dramatic statements please. Kildare street is hardly "Dublin" and a protest this size is bound to disrupt traffic. It was planned in advance and the Gardaí had more than enough time to make arrangements for any disruption to traffic.

Overheal · 03-11-2010 07:24PM

Oh good. You want to be a cop killer. That makes things alright...

gingelion · 03-11-2010 07:24PM

PanchoVilla wrote: »

Ah yeah, because there are no students in the SWP or Sinn Féin. :rolleyes:

Students probably dont run those parties though and they've got their own agenda that more than likely isn't based on education.

Overheal · 03-11-2010 07:24PM

PanchoVilla wrote: »

"Shutting down Dublin"? Less of the dramatic statements please. Kildare street is hardly "Dublin" and a protest this size is bound to disrupt traffic. It was planned in advance and the Gardaí had more than enough time to make arrangements for any disruption to traffic.

Sure. But my point being they're two different types of scenario.

Wolfe Tone · 03-11-2010 07:25PM

gingelion wrote: »

Students probably dont run those parties though and they've got their own agenda that more than likely isn't based on education.

It was the youth wings of these groups I would wager.

PanchoVilla · 03-11-2010 07:26PM

Overheal wrote: »

So students are rabid bulls who will enter a blood frenzy if they see a plastic riot shield? :rolleyes:

Obviously. That's why so many Gardaí were injured and had to be taken to hospital. :rolleyes:

It wasn't me! · 03-11-2010 07:26PM

Stinicker wrote: »

I would gladly lay my life on the line to defend this country and my ancestors fought (in the War of Independence) and died (murdered playing GAA). I am not the type that is afraid of courts or the Gardai and I would kill for freedom and am prepared to die if Ireland needs me in war or times of trouble; How many cowards in this country can say the same thing and mean it?

If this country must descend into all out war against the cowards of Gardai then so be it.

It sickens me that it took Sinn Fein to directly challenge this illegal Government in court in an attempt to restore democracy to the people. Where are Fine Gael and Labour?

This is the same situation we are facing as our ancestors faced 100 years ago under oppression and no representation .

So I presume you work in the civil service or similar; since you love this country so much I'm sure you're incredibly keen to work to support it and improve it. Or are you perhaps the quintessential misguided voice? Also, you're prepared to kill and die for Ireland, but what do you think Ireland actually is? Because I dearly hope what I saw today didn't represent Ireland. If that's what you're prepared to kill and die for, I'll start looking harder at emigrating.

Poccington · 03-11-2010 07:28PM

Stinicker wrote: »

I would gladly lay my life on the line to defend this country and my ancestors fought (in the War of Independence) and died (murdered playing GAA). I am not the type that is afraid of courts or the Gardai and I would kill for freedom and am prepared to die if Ireland needs me in war or times of trouble; How many cowards in this country can say the same thing and mean it?

I swore an oath to this country, did you?

So you go ahead and try overthrow the Government by force, there's a couple of thousand people who swore the same oath as I did that'll make sure your grand plan falls flat on it's face.

Thankfully, you'll do nothing more than talk tough on an Internet forum so all's well that ends well etc.

Overheal · 03-11-2010 07:28PM

Long before Coup there are still many dozens of avenues that are not being explored. Those that are ready to lunge to that extreme deserve anything but "freedom".

Student Protest Kicks Off (see video only posts warning)

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