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Limerick graffiti cover up mystery

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    #122
    Kess73
    Registered Users Posts: 25,560 ✭✭✭✭Kess73


    Liam Byrne wrote: »
    I haven't seen anything like those around Limerick, so those are irrelevant.
    The idiots that do 99.9% of the scrawls around Limerick use their initials because they're too dumb and lazy to even write their names, let alone actually create art worth looking at.

    Just out of interest, do you have any comparable comparisons, where it's brainless scrawls on otherwise clean walls and bridges ?

    And - artistic merit aside - do you know whether those examples are in designated areas, or just vandalism to public or private property ?

    I mean, even this :

    0003747010dr.jpg

    .....gets demolished because it's illegal.



    You have not seen graffiti art like he put up anywhere in Limerick?


    The two places these painters covered up had that kind of art, and it was the only two places in Limerick where permission was given to have that kind of art. Why do you think some people are annoyed over what the attention seekers did?

    The yard on the dock road had some excellent art on the walls, which was covered up with blotchy layers of beige/cream paint which now looks awful to drive past.

    A few bits of art were spared in the private yard, but most was got rid of. And again I will state that the yard is one where permission was given for the graffiti art to be done, so these painters took it upon themselves to make their way into a locked private yard and turn it into an eyesore. Next time you are driving down the dock road have a look, then drive up towards Alandale and wonder why they never touched the tagging on the walls on that stretch.


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    #123
    gihj
    Registered Users Posts: 232 ✭✭gihj


    Kess73 wrote: »
    You have not seen graffiti art like he put up anywhere in Limerick?


    The two places these painters covered up had that kind of art, and it was the only two places in Limerick where permission was given to have that kind of art. Why do you think some people are annoyed over what the attention seekers did?

    The yard on the dock road had some excellent art on the walls, which was covered up with blotchy layers of beige/cream paint which now looks awful to drive past.

    A few bits of art were spared in the private yard, but most was got rid of. And again I will state that the yard is one where permission was given for the graffiti art to be done, so these painters took it upon themselves to make their way into a locked private yard and turn it into an eyesore. Next time you are driving down the dock road have a look, then drive up towards Alandale and wonder why they never touched the tagging on the walls on that stretch.

    Have you checked whether permission was given or not??
    Are you sure they made their way into a locked private yard?

    Are you acting this way because of the particular "art" or do you support graffiti in general??


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    #124
    Nockz
    Registered Users Posts: 369 ✭✭Nockz


    gihj wrote: »
    Have you checked whether permission was given or not??
    Are you sure they made their way into a locked private yard?

    Are you acting this way because of the particular "art" or do you support graffiti in general??
    The council seemingly rejected all claims that it was them. Who else has permission to deface property?

    I just think it's a bit irish to take 'action' on the one spot in Limerick whre this behavious was restricted to.


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    #125
    gihj
    Registered Users Posts: 232 ✭✭gihj


    Nockz wrote: »
    The council seemingly rejected all claims that it was them. Who else has permission to deface property?
    .

    Ask the owner of the property be it the council or otherwise.
    Amazingly nobody has asked why exactly was it done.
    The ends might just justify the means had someone thought about the reason behind it.


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    #126
    Kess73
    Registered Users Posts: 25,560 ✭✭✭✭Kess73


    gihj wrote: »
    Have you checked whether permission was given or not??
    Are you sure they made their way into a locked private yard?

    Are you acting this way because of the particular "art" or do you support graffiti in general??



    I like the art that was there, and it was an area that got permission as it was well publicised in the local media.

    And yes I am sure that the yard is locked, as the big padlock that is still there today suggests that, as does the private property sign.


    I don't support graffiti in general if you mean the scrawls on many walls around Limerick, or the tagging crap that goes on, but I do support the type of art that was in the yard when it is in a location where permission has been granted for it.


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    #127
    Kess73
    Registered Users Posts: 25,560 ✭✭✭✭Kess73


    gihj wrote: »
    Ask the owner of the property be it the council or otherwise.
    Amazingly nobody has asked why exactly was it done.
    The ends might just justify the means had someone thought about the reason behind it.



    The council have already come out and said nobody had permission to paint in those areas. The council has conformed that the painters lied to people when they claimed to be doing the work for the council.

    The Council have confirmed that they will have to pay for someone to try and clean the paint off of the plaque at the skateboard park that these painters completely painted over in dark blue paint.

    Surely these painters were not so thick as to think painting over the plaque that marked the opening of the skatepark was a good idea, then again seeing as they did so they must be.

    These people have been very selective in where they have painted, and for people who claim they are trying to stop the ugly tagging around Limerick, they seem to be able to ignore loads of tagging on all the approach roads to where they have being painting.


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    #128
    gihj
    Registered Users Posts: 232 ✭✭gihj


    Kess73 wrote: »
    The council have already come out and said nobody had permission to paint in those areas. The council has conformed that the painters lied to people when they claimed to be doing the work for the council.

    The Council have confirmed that they will have to pay for someone to try and clean the paint off of the plaque at the skateboard park that these painters completely painted over in dark blue paint.

    Surely these painters were not so thick as to think painting over the plaque that marked the opening of the skatepark was a good idea, then again seeing as they did so they must be.

    These people have been very selective in where they have painted, and for people who claim they are trying to stop the ugly tagging around Limerick, they seem to be able to ignore loads of tagging on all the approach roads to where they have being painting.

    Ask yourself why it was done then?
    Why so selective?
    If they didn't have the consent of the council then cctv will have picked up those involved.
    I think your "outrage" is blinding the obvious here.


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    #129
    Nockz
    Registered Users Posts: 369 ✭✭Nockz


    gihj wrote: »
    Ask yourself why it was done then?
    Why so selective?
    If they didn't have the consent of the council then cctv will have picked up those involved.
    I think your "outrage" is blinding the obvious here.
    The obvious being that they love the attention right?


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    #130
    Kess73
    Registered Users Posts: 25,560 ✭✭✭✭Kess73


    gihj wrote: »
    Ask yourself why it was done then?
    Why so selective?
    If they didn't have the consent of the council then cctv will have picked up those involved.
    I think your "outrage" is blinding the obvious here.



    Both areas that were done are off camera, handily enough for the super citizens.


    So what is the obvious that I am blinded to in your opinion?


    That these guys drove or walked past loads of areas with tagging to get to the only two areas they have gone at in the city?


    That these guys who claim to be making a stand against unsightly tagging painted over art and left tagging alone?


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    #131
    gihj
    Registered Users Posts: 232 ✭✭gihj


    Kess73 wrote: »
    Both areas that were done are off camera, handily enough for the super citizens.


    So what is the obvious that I am blinded to in your opinion?


    That these guys drove or walked past loads of areas with tagging to get to the only two areas they have gone at in the city?


    That these guys who claim to be making a stand against unsightly tagging painted over art and left tagging alone?

    Why would anyone do that just for attention?????
    It can't that simple.
    Think about it.


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    #132
    Kess73
    Registered Users Posts: 25,560 ✭✭✭✭Kess73


    gihj wrote: »
    Why would anyone do that just for attention?????
    It can't that simple.
    Think about it.


    Well by ignoring loads of tagging on each route to that spot they pretty much write off their own claim to be targetting tagging as BS.


    Either way us debating it here will go nowhere. With luck they will get caught painting on private property again and get done for it just like the scummers who tag deserve to be done for tagging.


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    #133
    Jackobyte
    Registered Users Posts: 6,321 ✭✭✭Jackobyte


    misterypainter, I hope you get caught and charged with vandalism. IMO, you are even worse than these "taggers" you try to stop.


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    #134
    misterypainter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12 ✭misterypainter


    Kess73 wrote: »
    You have not seen graffiti art like he put up anywhere in Limerick?


    The two places these painters covered up had that kind of art, and it was the only two places in Limerick where permission was given to have that kind of art. Why do you think some people are annoyed over what the attention seekers did?

    The yard on the dock road had some excellent art on the walls, which was covered up with blotchy layers of beige/cream paint which now looks awful to drive past.

    A few bits of art were spared in the private yard, but most was got rid of. And again I will state that the yard is one where permission was given for the graffiti art to be done, so these painters took it upon themselves to make their way into a locked private yard and turn it into an eyesore. Next time you are driving down the dock road have a look, then drive up towards Alandale and wonder why they never touched the tagging on the walls on that stretch.


    The stuff on Alondale isn't that bad, we could paint over it with the emulsion paint, wash it and then clean it. We have recently purchased a sand blaster, air compressor and generator to remove this type of graffiti which is on dash or cement. there are many sites like this which will be removed over the next couple of weeks.

    Hope this answers your question.

    Rgds - MP


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    #135
    misterypainter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12 ✭misterypainter


    gihj wrote: »
    Nice Job.
    Hopefully these kids will get the message that this random unauthorised Graffiti (and i include this tagging rubbish as graffiti) is damaging this city.

    Funnily enough some of the usual suspects on here who have nothing good to say about the city in almost every thread think this is a good thing.
    Typical, looking for something else to give out about.
    Sad individuals.


    Finally somebody who can actually see whats going on in the world.

    And the comment with regards the usual suspects, I'm glad that somebody else recognises this.

    We aren't selecting specific areas, where ever we see it we try to remove as soon as possible, BDO offices, petrol station before brannigans, walls by storm cinema, half way through bridge by cresent, castletro area, wall by cbs, mount kenneth area, harveys quay area. back of st micheals rowing club, back of old dunnes on brown brick, side of paharmacy sarsfield st, new supermarket side of arthurs quay, Motorway link across from m7, need we go on to prove a point to those that don't want to listen.

    And if anyone thinks that the taggers/graffiti artist still have permission to graffiti in the spot thay should chack there facts, why then is the gate padlocked and the broken down gate fixed recently been fixed, we know the public liabilty insurance for the site doesn't include tresspassing & bonfires. If does bent on not facing up to the facts actually stood back and looked at what was going on then they might actaully see what is going on and who is doing this.

    Its actually pointless trying to explain what we are trying to do, we have tried in previous posts and yet the usual suspects continue to ask retorical questions that have already been answered and neglect to face up to the facts.

    This is a long term plan an project, so those that actaully care forgive and tempoary work/cover up while we get specific paints and equipment to deal with all situations.

    Any support is appreciated and for more info face book

    limerickagainstgraffiti

    Best Regards

    Mp - Here for a long time, not a good time!!!


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    #136
    Insect Overlord
    Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 30,873 Mod ✭✭✭✭Insect Overlord


    gihj wrote: »
    Funnily enough some of the usual suspects on here who have nothing good to say about the city in almost every thread think this is a good thing.
    Typical, looking for something else to give out about.
    Sad individuals.
    misterypainter wrote: »
    And the comment with regards the usual suspects, I'm glad that somebody else recognises this.

    Its actually pointless trying to explain what we are trying to do, we have tried in previous posts and yet the usual suspects continue to ask retorical questions that have already been answered and neglect to face up to the facts.

    I'd recommend that both of you start showing a little bit of respect for the other posters on this forum. One is not a "sad individual" just because they express a different opinion. Consider this a friendly warning, because comments of this kind usually end up leading to bans.
    misterypainter wrote: »
    Mp - Here for a long time, not a good time!!!

    Most of the people who use this forum do intend to use it to have a good time. If you want to keep posting here for a long time, remember that you can enjoy this forum too. It's not all serious business :)


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    #137
    Nockz
    Registered Users Posts: 369 ✭✭Nockz


    I think I can say this on most people's behalf when I say we do not question the motives or intentions of the mystery painters, nor do we wish to hinder yur progress around Limerick. Keep doing what you are doing but for god's sake cover up the ILLEGAL stuff first please.

    Me just. I think ye ave gone the complete wrong way of gaining the support of the city. I'd much prefer a nameless band of people who cover up existing graffiti and such around the city without anyone noticing until it's done than the nameless people who come on boards gloating about the work they have done at the skate park.


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    #138
    misterypainter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12 ✭misterypainter


    Insect Overlord wrote: »
    I'd recommend that both of you start showing a little bit of respect for the other posters on this forum. One is not a "sad individual" just because they express a different opinion. Consider this a friendly warning, because comments of this kind usually end up leading to bans.



    Most of the people who use this forum do intend to use it to have a good time. If you want to keep posting here for a long time, remember that you can enjoy this forum too. It's not all serious business :)

    Hi IO

    With regards to the end of the quote, we didn't mean that in respects of boards.ie, more so for the fact that we see this as a long term project which will take time and effort, and was in relation to the job on hand.

    There was no malice meant in here for a long time and not a good time, again it wasn't meant in respect of the threads or discussion.

    Rgds - MP


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    #139
    misterypainter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12 ✭misterypainter


    Nockz wrote: »
    I think I can say this on most people's behalf when I say we do not question the motives or intentions of the mystery painters, nor do we wish to hinder yur progress around Limerick. Keep doing what you are doing but for god's sake cover up the ILLEGAL stuff first please.

    Me just. I think ye ave gone the complete wrong way of gaining the support of the city. I'd much prefer a nameless band of people who cover up existing graffiti and such around the city without anyone noticing until it's done than the nameless people who come on boards gloating about the work they have done at the skate park.

    Hello Nockz

    Thanks for the post.

    We are not here to gloat, aggrevate a situation or cause tension in anyway what so ever. We didn't start this thread and only started posting to clarify and correct the many points which were being over looked and the complete misrepresntation of facts that were being posted by many users.

    We are only try to put our side of the story across and state the facts. It can be very frustrating when some users ignore the facts which they have previously questioned and stated incorrectly only to nit pick and find some other tangent to make an irespective issue of.

    If anybody has some genuine questions they would like answered please post or PM and we will endever to answer.

    Best Regards and thanks for the support from those who can see what were trying to achieve and do and for those that don't, we have no aganda's against anybody who have an interest or a love of graffiti but please try to see the differnce and what the negative stuff is doing to our city. Once again we WILL NOT be painting over any genuine Graffiti art in the spot or the skate park.

    MP


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    #140
    Olaf
    Registered Users Posts: 55 ✭✭Olaf


    Some peoples' thought processes are very scary.


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    #141
    jonski
    Registered Users Posts: 6,391 ✭✭✭jonski


    misterypainter wrote: »

    If anybody has some genuine questions they would like answered please post or PM and we will endever to answer.

    Hi Mp ,

    What about the fact that what ye have done is seen in a very negative light by the kids that hang around down by the skate park and that maybe there could have been a more positive approach ?


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    #142
    Colm!
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,014 ✭✭✭Colm!


    Hello MP,
    Don't you feel this vigilante approach is uncalled for?
    Perhaps I should explain my viewpoint. I detest the graffiti in my hometown. It's lazy, boring and uninspired. "thug lyfe", "cira", drawings of penises etc. Written on walls by attention seeking scumbags that don't give a **** about art or expression.
    I've been to Paris and London. I've seen some serious graffiti and street art, including some amazing graffiti in a London skate park. It's not harmful to the city, rather another dimension to their culture: a form of self-expression in an urban landscape.
    I've also been to Lisbon, a city where I can almost share your sentiments. The graffiti there is simply ugly. But there was one thing about Lisbon graffiti that I found unusual: it was heavily political. I had seen anarchist, communist, socialist and anti-communist messages cover the walls. So despite having no artistic merit, their graffiti was their voice. It wasn't for themselves that they wrote on the walls, it was for their belief.
    I've never been to Limerick since I was a small child. I've never seen graffiti there but there seems to be a mix of the uninspired and the artistic. And you claim to target the former, yet you damage the latter.
    My question is not "Why attack graffiti at the skate park or at the dock road?" because I've never seen the walls beforehand. My question is: Why decide to take these matters into your own hands? Why not campaign for a cleanup? Gather signatures for a petition? Call for better facilities for Limerick's youth? Why did you turn to counter-vandalism, painting over graffiti that had artistic merit? Your campaign seems to have met no positive reception, only hostility from those who saw the artistic value of the graffiti or those who felt that you destroyed a piece of Limerick's identity and culture.
    Why choose to counter the supposed destruction of your cityscape.. with destruction?

    I've never tagged a wall or engaged in street art. At the same time, I respect it.


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    #143
    Insect Overlord
    Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 30,873 Mod ✭✭✭✭Insect Overlord


    misterypainter wrote: »
    If anybody has some genuine questions they would like answered please post or PM and we will endever to answer.

    Once again:

    1: If you are not from the council, then what authority have you to paint over property that does not belong to you?

    2: I wonder if misterypainter and his chums would be brave enough to paint over the "C-IRA" graffiti in places like Garryowen or Caledonians Park...
    misterypainter wrote: »
    Once again we WILL NOT be painting over any genuine Graffiti art in the spot or the skate park.

    Why would ye bother when ye've destroyed those sites already?

    I'm expecting straight answers to each of those three questions.

    I would also advise you to reply directly to the posts above by jonski and by Colm! as soon as you get the chance.

    I know we often joke about this city needing its own Dark Knight or Kick-Ass, but this forum is not intended to be a soap-box for vigilantes. If I'm not satisfied with your next contributions, don't expect to be allowed to remain active here.


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    #144
    Jackobyte
    Registered Users Posts: 6,321 ✭✭✭Jackobyte


    For those who didn't see the art:
    Link

    Only shows a small amount of it. There was way more of it destroyed.

    More from the dock road:
    here
    here
    this entire album
    here
    here
    another entire album
    and alot from here as well

    The list goes on. See more here yourself. A lot of it is from that spot on the Dock Road.


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    #145
    Jackobyte
    Registered Users Posts: 6,321 ✭✭✭Jackobyte


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3nutrIuJPA

    0.18-0.50 are all on the Dock Rd.
    2.50 for outside of skate park
    3.41 and 4.26 is on the Dock Rd


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    #146
    munstergirl
    Registered Users Posts: 771 ✭✭✭munstergirl


    Thanks for posting all the pics of limerick 'art'.

    Never realised how a small few people are trying to destroy the city inch by inch.

    I said before there is € so be made in art put it on canvas and sell it like was already done in sarsfield st.

    In all the pics above most of it is mindless vandalism.

    Go brighten up the outside of your own property.


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    #147
    Kess73
    Registered Users Posts: 25,560 ✭✭✭✭Kess73


    misterypainter wrote: »
    The stuff on Alondale isn't that bad, we could paint over it with the emulsion paint, wash it and then clean it. We have recently purchased a sand blaster, air compressor and generator to remove this type of graffiti which is on dash or cement. there are many sites like this which will be removed over the next couple of weeks.

    Hope this answers your question.

    Rgds - MP



    Ahh so you pick and choose what is bad then. The tagging in some spots can be ignored. I guess areas where you can go in and not be seen are the ones you regard as bad, and places that have scummy tagging where you would be seen are the places you avoid.


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    #148
    phill106
    Registered Users Posts: 6,810 ✭✭✭phill106


    Kess73 wrote: »
    Ahh so you pick and choose what is bad then. The tagging in some spots can be ignored. I guess areas where you can go in and not be seen are the ones you regard as bad, and places that have scummy tagging where you would be seen are the places you avoid.

    I found some good spots where grafiti is much worse.
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055432818

    Need any directions MP , let me know


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    #149
    jonski
    Registered Users Posts: 6,391 ✭✭✭jonski


    munstergirl wrote: »
    Thanks for posting all the pics of limerick 'art'.

    Never realised how a small few people are trying to destroy the city inch by inch.

    I said before there is € so be made in art put it on canvas and sell it like was already done in sarsfield st.

    In all the pics above most of it is mindless vandalism.

    Go brighten up the outside of your own property.

    Sorry , I just need to get this straight in my head .... you consider the photos in Jacobytes thread , mindless vandalism ? and not art ?


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    #150
    Liam Byrne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,163 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


    Insect Overlord wrote: »
    I'd recommend that both of you start showing a little bit of respect for the other posters on this forum. One is not a "sad individual" just because they express a different opinion.

    I'm a little worried about this observation, in all fairness.

    I mean, some of the other posters are in favour of vandalism and illegal activity.

    Would you be as defensive of their right to a "different opinion" if the illegal activity involved was murder or stealing ?

    Not being argumentative, btw; I can see that that analogy would make the mystery painter a vigilante, which is indeed objectionable.

    But while some posters are validly objecting to vigilantism, some are condoning the murder.


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    #151
    Liam Byrne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,163 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


    jonski wrote: »
    Sorry , I just need to get this straight in my head .... you consider the photos in Jacobytes thread , mindless vandalism ? and not art ?

    The "art" level is debatable on some of them, but that aside if you zoom in on the pics many of them have been defaced by so-called "taggers".

    Plus those are still illegal and have zero protection unless they were done with permission and are legal.

    So I would suggest that you maybe target your anger at those who defaced said art; from what the mystery painter is saying, they wouldn't have targetted those unless they had already been targeted by the "Vandal Woz 'ere" brigade.

    Even the still of Jakobyte's video clearly shows a "Gu" or whatever on the right-hand side.


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