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Possible social welfare cuts in Ireland?

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  • #332
    CoalBucket
    Closed Accounts Posts: 971 ✭✭✭CoalBucket


    ntlbell wrote: »
    did you crunch them numbers yet? no? ;)

    Ah no, I was busy responding to requests for info already provided :)


  • #333
    gurramok
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭gurramok


    CoalBucket wrote: »
    I've given sources and figures repeatedly. Look back through the thread.

    The figures are in the source provided about 60 comments back. Again you need to READ THE SOURCE supplied. It's call informing yourself. If you informed yourself a bit more you might not make off the cuff remarks like " single mother scammers, going on winter sun holidays, buying designer clothes and with ps3s at home "

    TBH I've had enough explaining and providing sources and figures for someone who make comments like " single mother scammers, going on winter sun holidays, buying designer clothes and with ps3s at home "

    I bid you farewell with your right wing views. I'll leave with your words of
    " single mother scammers, going on winter sun holidays, buying designer clothes and with ps3s at home " ringing in my ears :)

    Where? You never supplied the source for your magical figures and magical 'contributory allowances'.

    I've asked you repeatedly how you got your figures but you will not state where you got them. Now you say its '60 comments back'. Well my friend, it ain't there.


  • #334
    CoalBucket
    Closed Accounts Posts: 971 ✭✭✭CoalBucket


    For the last time it is in the source you provided. !!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Here is something you might understand

    " single mother scammers, going on winter sun holidays, buying designer clothes and with ps3s at home "


  • #335
    gurramok
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭gurramok


    CoalBucket wrote: »
    For the last time it is in the source you provided. !!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Here is something you might understand]

    It ain't in the source I provided. Why are you so afraid to highlight it?

    Hiding something?


  • #336
    CoalBucket
    Closed Accounts Posts: 971 ✭✭✭CoalBucket


    gurramok wrote: »
    It ain't in the source I provided. Why are you so afraid to highlight it?

    Hiding something?

    Hiding something ? Lmao I will not educate the ignorant " single mother scammers, going on winter sun holidays, buying designer clothes and with ps3s at home "


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  • #337
    Scarab80
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 802 ✭✭✭Scarab80


    Jesus lads, here are some figures....

    35d3qc7.jpg


  • #338
    gurramok
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭gurramok


    CoalBucket wrote: »
    Hiding something ? Lmao I will not educate the ignorant " single mother scammers, going on winter sun holidays, buying designer clothes and with ps3s at home "

    23k net without paying for accommodation and medical can get you all that.

    Go on, reveal your source.


  • #339
    K-9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,313 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    CoalBucket wrote: »
    Santas presents don't cost anything they are made by the elves in the north pole

    Is a McDonalds allowed, or a trip to the cinema?

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • #340
    CoalBucket
    Closed Accounts Posts: 971 ✭✭✭CoalBucket


    gurramok wrote: »
    23k net without paying for accommodation and medical can get you all that.

    Go on, reveal your source.

    I'm so trying not to swear. I BROKE THE FIGURES DOWN FOR YOU ALREADY.

    Even you have admitted that your figure of 23k includes extra supplements.
    You also admit when you took away those figures you got 21,733

    Why do you persist with 23k ????

    My new signature will now be

    " single mother scammers, going on winter sun holidays, buying designer clothes and with ps3s at home "

    Regards," single mother scammers, going on winter sun holidays, buying designer clothes and with ps3s at home "


  • #341
    CoalBucket
    Closed Accounts Posts: 971 ✭✭✭CoalBucket


    K-9 wrote: »
    Is a McDonalds allowed, or a trip to the cinema?

    McDonalds is not allowed but Supermacs or Abrekebabra are. But only the meal deals


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  • #342
    K-9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,313 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    Scarab80 wrote: »
    Jesus lads, here are some figures....

    140xhuc.jpg

    Is that a one income couple? I assume it is, in the interest of fairness now.

    If you really want to be shocked, run the welfare figures for a married couple and compare.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • #343
    Scarab80
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 802 ✭✭✭Scarab80


    K-9 wrote: »
    Is that a one income couple? I assume it is, in the interest of fairness now.

    Yup, though it wouldn't make a difference at those income levels, apart from maybe an extra PAYE credit.


  • #344
    CoalBucket
    Closed Accounts Posts: 971 ✭✭✭CoalBucket


    K-9 wrote: »
    Is that a one income couple? I assume it is, in the interest of fairness now.

    If you really want to be shocked, run the welfare figures for a married couple and compare.

    Are they not on the same sheet ?


  • #345
    gurramok
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭gurramok


    CoalBucket wrote: »
    I'm so trying not to swear. I BROKE THE FIGURES DOWN FOR YOU ALREADY.

    Even you have admitted that your figure of 23k includes extra supplements.
    You also admit when you took away those figures you got 21,733

    Why do you persist with 23k ????

    Is this an admittance that you accept 21.7k(courtesy of the listed chart) or 21k instead of your 18k(or €19,193.66 as previously)?

    Still waiting how you found 'contributory allowances' & how you found €19,193.66.


  • #346
    Scarab80
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 802 ✭✭✭Scarab80


    CoalBucket wrote: »
    Are they not on the same sheet ?

    It's lone parent, then the other two are married couples with one income. Figures would be the same if it was a lone parent working as they would get the equivalent of a married allowance.


  • #347
    CoalBucket
    Closed Accounts Posts: 971 ✭✭✭CoalBucket


    gurramok wrote: »
    Is this an admittance that you accept 21.7k(courtesy of the listed chart) or 21k instead of your 18k(or €19,193.66 as previously)?

    Still waiting how you found 'contributory allowances' & how you found €19,193.66.

    No it's an example of you attempting to justify your outrageous comments by sticking to a 23k, despite that even you acknowledge your figure of 21k. Yet you still stand by your comment.

    For outrageous comment read " single mother scammers, going on winter sun holidays, buying designer clothes and with ps3s at home "

    Regards,

    " single mother scammers, going on winter sun holidays, buying designer clothes and with ps3s at home "

    And to be honest if the figure was 25k it would not justify that comment


  • #348
    K-9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,313 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    Scarab80 wrote: »
    Yup, though it wouldn't make a difference at those income levels, apart from maybe an extra PAYE credit.

    Ran them myself, they give the home carers tax credit and its a fair enough comparison alright, no childcare costs in all cases.

    The problem is you aren't comparing like with like. I did a rough calculation earlier showing a single parent would need to earn 24k Gross to get the same household income as a SP on welfare. When I think of it, they'd need to earn more than that, to offset childcare costs.

    Married couples get 196+130+(29.80*3) = 416.
    Fuel Allowance = 10 You don't get it for 52 weeks
    Rent Supplement (1100/4.33) = 254. (4.33 reflects the 52 week year, not 48 weeks)
    Child Benefit = 487/4.33 = 112

    Total = €792 per week in Welfare payments!

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • #349
    gurramok
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭gurramok


    CoalBucket wrote: »
    No it's an example of you attempting to justify your outrageous comments by sticking to a 23k, despite that even you acknowledge your figure of 21k. Yet you still stand by your comment.

    Despite it been listed in a chart above where my figure of 20.7k before allowances is given, you still reject it!


  • #350
    CoalBucket
    Closed Accounts Posts: 971 ✭✭✭CoalBucket


    gurramok wrote: »
    Despite it been listed in a chart above where my figure of 20.7k before allowances is given, you still reject it!

    I'll accept that figure as it is from a neutral source purely on the condition that you accept that your figure of 23k is incorrect and admit that your comment was outrageous and unjustified, and you won't do it again :D

    Well ok not the won't do it again bit


  • #351
    K-9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,313 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    They'd need a Gross Income of €51,000 to match what a married couple could get on Welfare.

    Actually, it could even be worse than that. If both are working and have childcare costs for 3 children, God love them. Not up on childcare costs in Dublin since 2000, when my young lad was there. Taking a conservative figure of €200 a week, out of take home pay, they'd need a household income of about 63/64k.

    Why aren't these cuts universal?

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



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  • #352
    K-9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,313 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    Scarab80 wrote: »
    It's lone parent, then the other two are married couples with one income. Figures would be the same if it was a lone parent working as they would get the equivalent of a married allowance.

    Not 100% correct. Sorry, I'm a stickler for these things. Single parents don't get the €900 Home Carers credit as obviously the can't be a Stay at Home mother and working!

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • #353
    Scarab80
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 802 ✭✭✭Scarab80


    K-9 wrote: »
    Married couples get 196+130+(29.80*3) = 416.

    Do you mean lone parents here instead of married couples? What's the extra 130 for?

    K-9 wrote: »
    Total = €792 per week in Welfare payments!

    I think it shows what little incentive there is to go out an earn more money, the return into your hand is negligble even doubling your salary.

    Also if you were an unmarried couple there is a very big incentive to keep your name off the birth cert and get the welfare allowances and the fathers single income.


  • #354
    Scarab80
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 802 ✭✭✭Scarab80


    K-9 wrote: »
    Not 100% correct. Sorry, I'm a stickler for these things. Single parents don't get the €900 Home Carers credit as obviously the can't be a Stay at Home mother and working!

    Don't worry, your the same as me then :)

    They get the single credit of 1830 and the lone parent family credit of 1830, so it will work out the same as married.


  • #355
    gurramok
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭gurramok


    CoalBucket wrote: »
    I'll accept that figure as it is from a neutral source purely on the condition that you accept that your figure of 23k is incorrect and admit that your comment was outrageous and unjustified, and you won't do it again :D

    Well ok not the won't do it again bit

    LOL. Now you backtrack about 80 posts later after first asking to prove your source.

    My figure of 23k might be incorrect but have there been any additional allowances missed to be added onto 21.7k? But then again, you're not the greatest source for providing sources of info so maybe someone else can find out.

    That comment stands by the way as the things can be afforded with that huge income but yet you still defend obscenely high social welfare in this case and defend it as poverty.


  • #356
    K-9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,313 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    Scarab80 wrote: »
    Do you mean lone parents here instead of married couples? What's the extra 130 for?

    No those figures are for married couples. Single parents are being singled out here a bit on what is after all, a general Social Welfare thread. The €130 is the adult dependent allowance.


    Scarab wrote:
    I think it shows what little incentive there is to go out an earn more money, the return into your hand is negligble even doubling your salary.

    Also if you were an unmarried couple there is a very big incentive to keep your name off the birth cert and get the welfare allowances and the fathers single income.

    Oh, 100% agree on the incentives. Remember this is before increased taxes like carbon levies, property taxes etc. Just highlighting the married couple issue too, seeing as the thread is starting to focus on single parents. When you compare like for like, the figures are far worse.

    On the name on birth cert issue, oh, believe me, well aware of it. Its a massive issue and money is just a part of it. Mothers believe naming the father will result in losing benefits, which isn't the case, but we are going way off topic now. Fathers rightly believe they should be named which causes conflict and wasted state resources on pointless court cases.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • #357
    CoalBucket
    Closed Accounts Posts: 971 ✭✭✭CoalBucket


    gurramok wrote: »
    LOL. Now you backtrack about 80 posts later after first asking to prove your source.

    My figure of 23k might be incorrect but have there been any additional allowances missed to be added onto 21.7k? But then again, you're not the greatest source for providing sources of info so maybe someone else can find out.

    That comment stands by the way as the things can be afforded with that huge income but yet you still defend obscenely high social welfare in this case and defend it as poverty.

    Yet again I did not defend that figure as poverty and if you read the source provided you would clearly see that. Again it is government figures that say 20% live in consistant poverty while you dispute this you attempt (and fail) to use other government figures to justify your comment " single mother scammers, going on winter sun holidays, buying designer clothes and with ps3s at home ".

    You stand by your comment " single mother scammers, going on winter sun holidays, buying designer clothes and with ps3s at home " Because payments are high. Do you think that makes sense.

    Provide your source to justify such right wing comments

    Does the obscenly high payments include the dole that you said your OH is claiming ?

    Regards,

    " single mother scammers, going on winter sun holidays, buying designer clothes and with ps3s at home "


  • #358
    K-9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,313 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    Scarab80 wrote: »
    Don't worry, your the same as me then :)

    They get the single credit of 1830 and the lone parent family credit of 1830, so it will work out the same as married.

    Yes, but they don't get the €900 home carers credit. Its important because if you ran the figures for a single parent working, they need to earn more again, never mind covering costs!

    Going on your figures of €418 a week for a SP on benefits, a working SP needs extra for childcare. Say €150 per week, conservative estimate, €568 a week Net.

    Problem is, that means no FIS, they are on their own.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • #359
    gurramok
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭gurramok


    CoalBucket wrote: »
    Yet again I did not defend that figure as poverty and if you read the source provided you would clearly see that. Again it is government figures that say 20% live in consistant poverty while you dispute this you attempt (and fail) to use other government figures to justify your comment " single mother scammers, going on winter sun holidays, buying designer clothes and with ps3s at home ".

    You stand by your comment " single mother scammers, going on winter sun holidays, buying designer clothes and with ps3s at home " Because payments are high. Do you think that makes sense.

    Provide your source to justify such right wing comments

    By the excessive free money they get. Thats a left wing comment of a hard worker.
    CoalBucket wrote: »
    Does the obscenly high payments include the dole that you said your OH is claiming ?

    No. Thats JSB of 196 a week. Pocket change to 418 a week.

    She should have 3 kids and 'we separate' and claim singledom.

    We'd be hell alot better off with 35k including rent paid off...as shown by hard proven statistics.


  • #360
    CoalBucket
    Closed Accounts Posts: 971 ✭✭✭CoalBucket


    Ya but with the extra 10,192 a year. The free medical care available.

    Are you not draped in designer gear up in dublin airport waiting for check in on your winter sun holiday while making sure the ps3 doesn't put the weight of the baggage into excess.


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  • #361
    CoalBucket
    Closed Accounts Posts: 971 ✭✭✭CoalBucket


    Sorry forgot to sign off

    Regards

    " single mother scammers, going on winter sun holidays, buying designer clothes and with ps3s at home "


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