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US Congress panel accuses Turkey of Armenian 'genocide'

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  • #62
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    IrishManSaipan wrote: »
    Ive linked to the mans blog. You will find the original article there.

    Why didn't you link to it originally?


  • #63
    Mike 1972
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,018 ✭✭✭Mike 1972


    pagancornflake wrote: »
    We should so invite them to join Europe because of that and that piece of information alone.

    By that logic Saudi should have been in The EU(/EEC/ECSC) from day 1 ?


  • #64
    bonerm
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,595 ✭✭✭bonerm


    Capt'n Midnight wrote: »
    They have 72% of the worlds Boron.

    And you're boron everyone here with that statistic.

    jk


  • #65
    Capt'n Midnight
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 95,751 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    bonerm wrote: »
    And you're boron everyone here with that statistic.

    jk
    I'm sure the Bolivians will be interested given the history of being exploited for their mineral rights, that and they have half of the worlds lithium, which is used in almost all mobile phones and laptops etc.


    Has anyone pointed out that blaming Turkey for the genocide is like blaming East Germany for the Holocaust


  • #66
    Mike 1972
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,018 ✭✭✭Mike 1972


    Capt'n Midnight wrote: »
    Has anyone pointed out that blaming Turkey for the genocide is like blaming East Germany for the Holocaust

    They probably wouldnt have been substantially more or less culpable than West Germany (or even Austria) ?


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  • #67
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,598 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Shouldn't see why Americans should accuse anyone of Genocide when they are one of the most genocidal countries in the world.
    Look at the Native Americans.
    Where are they all now? The small minority are put on reservations while the rest were massacred.


  • #68
    robby^5
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,969 ✭✭✭robby^5


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Shouldn't see why Americans should accuse anyone of Genocide when they are one of the most genocidal countries in the world.
    Look at the Native Americans.
    Where are they all now? The small minority are put on reservations while the rest were massacred.

    It's not just a case of Congress just deciding to point the finger all of a sudden, Armenian-Americans have been campaigning for this acknowledgement for years.


  • #69
    IrishManSaipan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 909 ✭✭✭IrishManSaipan


    The term genocide was coined by a human rights lawyer called Raphael Lemkin in 1948.

    He used three examples examples when he campaigned for the word genocide to be recognized as a crime in legal terms, The Simele Massacre, the Holocaust and the Armenian genocide.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_on_the_Prevention_and_Punishment_of_the_Crime_of_Genocide

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raphael_Lemkin


  • #70
    Son Of A Vidic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,370 ✭✭✭✭Son Of A Vidic


    Have the US Congress now become moral custodians? From a nation that coined the phrase 'Collateral damage', it's a bit rich isn't it.


  • #71
    Sisko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,910 ✭✭✭Sisko


    Doesn't change the facts of what happened to the Armenians. Again the only reason this hasn't been considered official genocide for years is due to America not wanting to piss off the Turks as the need/needed Turkey as an ally. & Turkey knows this and has abused this.

    Regarding Turkey getting into the EU, I've no issue with the Turkish people or all this talk about people 'flooding the EU' its just the fact that Turkey is not a modern enlightened fully civilized country yet.

    When the goverment bans youtube and has a hard time condeeming the killing of women just because they didnt want to marry who their family told them to marry. I mean no way in hell should a country that still thinks like that be allowed in the EU.

    Anyone remember this? Not turkey but similar attidude:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGtRVugNjcY


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  • #72
    IrishManSaipan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 909 ✭✭✭IrishManSaipan


    Heres an excellent article on the Armenian genocide.

    http://www.panarmenian.net/library/eng/?nid=59&page=4


  • #73
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    IrishManSaipan wrote: »
    Heres an excellent article on the Armenian genocide.

    http://www.panarmenian.net/library/eng/?nid=59&page=4

    Why are you reproducing that anti-semitic shite?


  • #74
    IrishManSaipan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 909 ✭✭✭IrishManSaipan


    http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100305/pl_nm/us_turkey_usa

    The Obama administration on Friday sought to limit fallout from a resolution branding the World War One-era massacre of Armenians by Turkish forces as "genocide," and vowed to stop it from going further in Congress. Turkey was infuriated and recalled its ambassador after a House of Representatives committee on Thursday approved the nonbinding measure condemning killings that took place nearly 100 years ago, in the last days of the Ottoman Empire.

    Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, facing questions about the issue while traveling in Latin America,declared Congress should drop the matter now. "The Obama administration strongly opposes the resolution that was passed by only one vote in the House committee and will work very hard to make sure it does not go to the House floor," she said in Guatemala City.


    If one was to deny the Ukrainian and Armenian genocides, nothing happens to them and they remain in government. Yet, if one was to deny the Holocaust, one would lose their job and possibly be thrown in jail. Why?:confused:


  • #75
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    IrishManSaipan wrote: »
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100305/pl_nm/us_turkey_usa
    (..............)thrown in jail. Why?:confused:

    In message 72, you posted the following

    Heres an excellent article on the Armenian genocide.

    http://www.panarmenian.net/library/eng/?nid=59&page=4

    __________________

    From the many 'nuggets of wisdom therein', I select these an an example
    There is the book "Inner Folds of the Ottoman Revolution" written by Mevlan Zadeh Rifat and published in 1929, the author, a pro-sultan Turk, claims that the "Armenian genocide was decided in August 1910 and October 1911, by a Young Turk committee composed entirely of displaced Balkan Jews in the format of a syncretist Jewish-Muslim sect which included Talaat, Enver, Behaeddin Shakir, Jemal, and Nizam posting as Muslims. It met in the Rothschild-funded Grand Orient loge/hotel of Salonika."

    All this according to the percepts of the Talmud, the Satanic Bible of the Jews, which encourages Jews to kill, directly or indirectly, by sayings like: "Every Jew who spills the blood of the godless, is doing the same as making a sacrifice to God."

    So, for the second time, why are you linking this anti-semitic shite?


  • #76
    alex73
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,729 ✭✭✭alex73


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Shouldn't see why Americans should accuse anyone of Genocide when they are one of the most genocidal countries in the world.
    Look at the Native Americans.
    Where are they all now? The small minority are put on reservations while the rest were massacred.

    America did not appear out of the sky one day, it was formed from the states of european settlers. (including the Irish) so should we in Europe issue an apology to the Native Americans?

    The turkey of today is not the same turkey that killed the Armenians, and the America of today did not kill the Nativa americans. We can't change history.


  • #77
    IrishManSaipan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 909 ✭✭✭IrishManSaipan


    alex73 wrote: »
    America did not appear out of the sky one day, it was formed from the states of european settlers. (including the Irish) so should we in Europe issue an apology to the Native Americans?

    Nope, but Americans of european descent should. And they will........

    The U.S. “apologizes on behalf of the people of the United States to all Native Peoples for the many instances of violence, maltreatment, and neglect inflicted on Native Peoples by citizens of the United States,” the statement says, adding that it is committed “to move toward a brighter future where all the people of this land live reconciled as brothers and sisters, and harmoniously steward and protect this land together.”

    http://www.unitednativeamerica.com/issues/Native_apology.html


  • #78
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    IrishManSaipan wrote: »
    Nope, (................)]

    For the third time, why are you linking to anti-semetic nonsense?
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=64798558&postcount=75


  • #79
    Capt'n Midnight
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 95,751 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    alex73 wrote: »
    We can't change history.
    But we repeat the mistakes far too often.

    Stalin wanted to kill 59,000 German officers after WWII for war crimes.

    Had he done so would it have affected the behaviour of those who have committed war crimes since ?


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