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    #92
    KarmaGarda
    Registered Users Posts: 1,009 ✭✭✭KarmaGarda


    Covey wrote: »
    No. On my screen it says "moved" and updates don't bring it up to the top of the photography forum. As I said quite bizarre :(

    It's been moved/merged into this thread, which is now part of the photography forum instead. So when you click on the old link you get redirected to this thread.


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    #93
    AnCatDubh
    Registered Users Posts: 6,392 ✭✭✭AnCatDubh


    KarmaGarda wrote: »
    It's been moved/merged into this thread, which is now part of the photography forum instead. So when you click on the old link you get redirected to this thread.

    Ah, that explains it.


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    #94
    Covey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,368 ✭✭✭Covey


    AnCatDubh wrote: »
    hmmnnnnn.... but your update has just brought it up to the top of the forum :confused:

    Sorry, my misunderstanding


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    #95
    pixbyjohn
    Registered Users Posts: 6,250 ✭✭✭pixbyjohn


    smelltheglove wrote: »
    It may not work here though as as far as I recall you can only edit posts for a limited time, so you could not go back and take a photo out of an old post after say 2 weeks, it is there as long as boards have the thread online.

    Yes I have just looked back to an image I posted a week ago, I can no longer edit the post.

    Rachel, thats a minor problem in the scheme of things


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    #96
    Covey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,368 ✭✭✭Covey


    pixbyjohn wrote: »
    Rachel, thats a minor problem in the scheme of things

    I'd consider it a major problem if you can't remove your photos :confused:


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    #97
    Third_Echelon
    Registered Users Posts: 4,889 ✭✭✭Third_Echelon


    I hope this gets sorted... As others have said, if we can't post here, then what's the point?

    I haven't been active on the photography forum for a while for various reasons, but have always been reading it etc. Hopefully we can keep it going as its always a great forum..


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    #98
    nonsequitir
    Registered Users Posts: 103 ✭✭nonsequitir


    Removing the photos is just one step. I would suspect any self respecting online service will have backups with your content and so removing the active instance is merely a token protest unless it's followed up with a 'Delete all my stuff and confirm in kind or I'll be forced to take legal action on your ass' type of solicitor's note.

    Just sayin' like!

    :-)


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    #99
    .Longshanks.
    Registered Users Posts: 5,718 ✭✭✭.Longshanks.


    Covey wrote: »
    I'd consider it a major problem if you can't remove your photos :confused:

    If you really wanted to, you could (on flickr anyways) replace the photo with an identical image. This would kill the link back to sites like boards.ie


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    #100
    Valentia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,764 ✭✭✭Valentia


    Well? Have they been changed yet? :pac:


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    #101
    smelltheglove
    Registered Users Posts: 4,503 ✭✭✭smelltheglove


    Longshanks100 wrote: »
    If you really wanted to, you could (on flickr anyways) replace the photo with an identical image. This would kill the link back to sites like boards.ie

    True but not really a solution to the problem, it would make the photography forum more of an irritation to work with, it is something that boards should look after. I mean what would be the point of re-wording t&c to match flickr but not allowing you to remove the images as it says in the t&c.

    Considering the current t&c I wouldn't be surprised if something seemingly so minor would be overlooked!


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    #102
    Darragh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,241 ✭✭✭Darragh


    Okay folks, if we changed the text to something like this (I'm not saying it will be the exact text because I haven't run it by the legal advisors yet):

    You are solely responsible for your conduct and any Material that you submit, post, and/or display on Boards.ie.

    You agree not to post Material contrary to these Terms of Use. We may, but are not obliged to, remove or limit access to Material from any user which breaches these Terms of Use.

    By posting any Material - including creative writing pieces, photographs or graphics on or through Boards.ie, you grant us a limited license to use, modify, publicly perform, publicly display, reproduce, and distribute such Materials in connection with Boards.ie, solely for the purpose of providing, displaying, distributing and promoting the Boards.ie forum to which such Content was submitted, or, in the case of photos or graphics, solely for the purpose for which such photo or graphic was submitted to Boards.ie.

    We do not claim ownership of photos that you choose to post to or link to on Boards.ie. Boards.ie Ltd neither has nor wants any ownership of your photos.

    Furthermore you grant us a similar perpetual, irrevocable and fully sub-licensable license to use, distribute, reproduce, modify, adapt, publish, translate, publicly perform and publicly display Content other than photos and graphics (in whole or in part) and to incorporate such Content into other works in any format or medium now known or later developed.

    The license you grant to us is non-exclusive, royalty free and fully paid, sub licensable, and worldwide.

    You are responsible for making sure that you have all rights to what you post, including the rights necessary for you to grant the foregoing licenses to same.

    You represent and warrant that: (i) you own the Material posted by you or otherwise have the right to grant the license set forth in this section, and (ii) the posting of the Material does not violate the privacy rights, publicity rights, copyrights, contract rights or any other rights of any person.

    You agree to waive any moral rights in your Material for the purposes of its posting on Boards.ie for the intended pupose of providing the Boards.ie service and the purposes specified above.

    You agree to pay for all royalties, fees, and any other monies owing any person by reason of any Material posted by you to or through Boards.ie.

    You agree that your Material displayed on Boards.ie may continue to appear on Boards.ie, even after you have terminated your user privileges or have had your user privileges terminated by Boards.ie.

    Because community standards vary and individuals sometimes choose not to comply with our policies and guidelines, in the process of using Boards.ie, you may be exposed to content that you find offensive or objectionable. You can report such content to us using the Report Post feature.

    We cannot guarantee that other users will not use the ideas and information that you share. Therefore, if you have an idea or information that you would like to keep confidential and/or don't want others to use, you must not post it on Boards.ie. We are not responsible for a user's misuse or misappropriation of any content or information you post on the Site.


    7.1 Submissions to Boards.ie about Boards.ie

    This term is specifically regarding your feedback, suggestions or contributions to Boards.ie about our products, services or website.

    You do not have to submit anything to us as feedback or suggestions for Boards.ie, but if you do you acknowledge and agree that any questions, comments, suggestions, ideas, feedback, or any other submissions to us which may improve the products, services, or offerings provided by Boards.ie shall become our sole property unless otherwise agreed by us.

    By making a submission to us about the Boards.ie service, either through email to us, via our Feedback, Helpdesk or Site Development forums, you grant a nonexclusive, irrevocable, worldwide, perpetual, unlimited, assignable, sublicenseable, fully paid up and royalty free right to us to copy, prepare derivative works from, improve, distribute, publish, remove, retain, add, and use and commercialise, in any way now known or in the future discovered, anything that you submit to us, without any further consent, notice and/or compensation to you or to any third parties.

    At all stages we shall make every attempt to contact and communicate with you about your idea either on thread, via PM or email but in the unlikely event we cannot contact you, we reserve the right to exercise this term.

    If you do not want to grant us the rights set out above, please do not make submissions about the Boards.ie service to us.

    This term is not intended to apply to photographs, creative writing or similar. Boards.ie Ltd does not claim ownership of photos that you choose to post to or link to on Boards.ie. Boards.ie Ltd neither has nor wants any ownership of your work.

    In this respect, for photographs or other creative or copyrighted work created by or owned by you, you retain full ownership of same. For the purposes of providing the Boards.ie service, we require you grant us a non-exclusive, royalty free and fully paid, sub licensable, and worldwide license to use, modify, publicly perform, publicly display, reproduce, and distribute such Materials in connection with Boards.ie, solely for the purpose of providing, displaying, distributing and promoting the Boards.ie forum to which such Content was submitted, or, in the case of photos or graphics, solely for the purpose for which such photo or graphic was submitted to Boards.ie.

    Furthermore you grant us a similar perpetual, irrevocable and fully sub-licensable license to use, distribute, reproduce, modify, adapt, publish, translate, publicly perform and publicly display Content other than photos and graphics (in whole or in part) and to incorporate such Content into other works in any format or medium now known or later developed.




    from this:

    You are solely responsible for your conduct and any Material that you submit, post, and/or display on Boards.ie. You agree not to post Material contrary to these Terms of Use. We may, but are not obliged to, remove or limit access to Material from any user which breaches these Terms of Use.
    By posting any Material on or through Boards.ie, you grant us a limited license to use, modify, publicly perform, publicly display, reproduce, and distribute such Materials in connection with Boards.ie or the promotion thereof.

    The license you grant to us is non-exclusive, royalty free and fully paid, sub licensable, and worldwide.

    You are responsible for making sure that you have all rights to what you post, including the rights necessary for you to grant the foregoing licenses to same.

    You represent and warrant that: (i) you own the Material posted by you or otherwise have the right to grant the license set forth in this section, and (ii) the posting of the Material does not violate the privacy rights, publicity rights, copyrights, contract rights or any other rights of any person.

    You agree to waive any moral rights in your Material for the purposes of its posting on Boards.ie and the purposes specified above.

    You agree to pay for all royalties, fees, and any other monies owing any person by reason of any Material posted by you to or through Boards.ie.

    You agree that your Material displayed on Boards.ie may continue to appear on Boards.ie, even after you have terminated your user privileges or have had your user privileges terminated by Boards.ie.

    Because community standards vary and individuals sometimes choose not to comply with our policies and guidelines, in the process of using Boards.ie, you may be exposed to content that you find offensive or objectionable. You can report such content to us using the Report Post feature.

    We cannot guarantee that other users will not use the ideas and information that you share. Therefore, if you have an idea or information that you would like to keep confidential and/or don't want others to use, you must not post it on Boards.ie. We are not responsible for a user's misuse or misappropriation of any content or information you post on the Site.


    7.1 Submissions to Boards.ie

    You do not have to submit anything to us, but if you do you acknowledge and agree that any questions, comments, suggestions, ideas, feedback, or any other submissions to us which may improve our products, services, or offerings shall become our sole property unless otherwise agreed by us.
    By making a submission to us, you grant a nonexclusive, irrevocable, worldwide, perpetual, unlimited, assignable, sublicenseable, fully paid up and royalty free right to us to copy, prepare derivative works from, improve, distribute, publish, remove, retain, add, and use and commercialise, in any way now known or in the future discovered, anything that you submit to us, without any further consent, notice and/or compensation to you or to any third parties.

    If you do not want to grant us the rights set out above, please do not make submissions to us.

    How would that be?


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    #103
    pixbyjohn
    Registered Users Posts: 6,250 ✭✭✭pixbyjohn


    Looks good to me and hopefully your legal team find it acceptable too.


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    #104
    Covey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,368 ✭✭✭Covey


    Darragh wrote: »



    How would that be?

    A huge improvement.

    However, I do still have an issue with the word " irrevocable " and the following ;

    "You agree that your Material displayed on Boards.ie may continue to appear on Boards.ie, even after you have terminated your user privileges or have had your user privileges terminated by Boards.ie."

    I strongly feel that one should have the ability to delete at any stage images posted for whatever reason.

    This would be essential for instance where the image was sold with an exclusive license.


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    #105
    Paulw
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 13,381 Mod ✭✭✭✭Paulw


    Furthermore you grant us a similar perpetual, irrevocable and fully sub-licensable license to use, distribute, reproduce, modify, adapt, publish, translate, publicly perform and publicly display Content other than photos and graphics (in whole or in part) and to incorporate such Content into other works in any format or medium now known or later developed.

    What about adding - "as long as you are a member of boards.ie" (or whatever term you use) I understand that if someone is banned, etc, they no longer have the rights to anything, but if they (not sure how) decide to leave boards.ie and want to delete their profile, etc, then they should have the right to also remove their posts/images.

    The "irrevocable" bit is a concern still there.
    The license you grant to us is non-exclusive, royalty free and fully paid, sub licensable, and worldwide.

    Not sure I agree with the sub license clause at all.



    Thanks for the clarification point at the start of 7.1. That makes more sense, and is logical.

    I do believe that these proposals are much more acceptable, to me at least.


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    #106
    PopeBuckfastXVI
    Registered Users Posts: 5,155 ✭✭✭PopeBuckfastXVI


    Hotlink your images from flickr or pix, then even if you terminate your boards account you can delete the original and *poof* it's gone from boards.

    Boards have no more right to download an image from flickr for their own use than I do by pointing my firefox directly there.

    I would imagine the reason for keeping content is for continuity of threads, if someone left or deleted their account and removed all their posts then threads would be left full of holes and make no sense to anyone reading them in the future.


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    #107
    joeKel73
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,689 ✭✭✭joeKel73


    Thanks PCPhoto for the heads up over on the Photo Challenge thread, I was about to upload a few shots from today! I'll not be posting any images until this gets cleared up and I see the professionals in the forum start posting photos again.


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    #108
    Darragh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,241 ✭✭✭Darragh


    Covey wrote: »
    Really Boards need to decide whether they want a photography forum or not.

    I'm going to start this response to all the issues here with just this quote.

    Of course we want a photography forum. Really, as I've said before, this was a first draft and any omissions I'll take full responsibility for. In fact, the whole of 7.1 was meant to read "submissions to Boards.ie about Boards.ie" - with over 1250 public forums I honstly just didn't take into account the use of photographs or examples of creative writing.

    That's why I opened it up to Feedback on the 16 December, they were put live on the 23 - an awful time to do, considering we were going on holidays - so but we had to get it done. They had - in a very early format - been with the Admins since August and with the Moderators since December 14 - it's been a collaborative process with a lot of input, and yes, we've missed things.

    However, we wrote them to make sure that we could continue to provide you with this service - there was no devious attempt to sell your stuff, despite what those who have been banned from Feedback and the "Oh, I'm a regular lurker, I don't interact in here, but isn't this AWFUL?" brigade might tell you. Genuine concerns by people who interact in and contribute to this forum were raised and we are doing our best to act on those, to everyone's benefit.

    Regarding the use of the words "irrevocable" and the deletion of posts - I'll raise this as well with the guys here and we'll come back to you on it.
    I would imagine the reason for keeping content is for continuity of threads, if someone left or deleted their account and removed all their posts then threads would be left full of holes and make no sense to anyone reading them in the future.

    That's exactly it, with the added "It's the internet - be careful what you put up here, because it could be here forever". People need to take responsibility for what they write and what they post.

    However, if someone comes to us and asks us to make an edit to a thread and it won't disrupt the flow, I see no reason that we wouldn't fulfil this request.

    Thank you all for your continued input.

    Darragh


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    #109
    Qwikpix
    Registered Users Posts: 51 ✭✭Qwikpix


    Paulw wrote: »
    I think section 7.1 is the biggest concern -

    By making a submission to us, you grant a nonexclusive, irrevocable, worldwide, perpetual, unlimited, assignable, sublicenseable, fully paid up and royalty free right to us to copy, prepare derivative works from, improve, distribute, publish, remove, retain, add, and use and commercialise, in any way now known or in the future discovered, anything that you submit to us, without any further consent, notice and/or compensation to you or to any third parties.

    I will state my interest here in that I am a lawyer. I have just seen the new terms of use and my comment is confined to the above extract which was quoted by another poster.

    Just imagine for a moment that boards.ie is just like a public notice board that one sees in many supermarkets. Now, if I pin one of my photographs to this board I am doing so to inform and/or interest other people who also use this notice board to display their photographs and/or comments.

    So why then, would I want to give the owners of the supermarket a "nonexclusive licence" to do this, that and the other with my photographs, including a permission to "improve" them?

    Now, "improve" is a subjective term as beauty is in the eye of the beholder. So what to me might be a dreadful alteration to my photograph might be an "improvement" in the view of the supermarket owners. If in the future I happen to disagree with an "improvement" made to one of my photographs, my remedy would be to issue proceedings against the supermarket owners. A discussion of the form of the proceedings required would be superfluous here, but suffice it to say that litigation would be both time consuming and very expensive.

    Such a clause may not be enforceable in respect of material submitted by a minor (i.e. under 18 years of age). While such a term of use is in force I will not be submitting any of my photographs to boards.ie. The views of other users and lawyers may differ!


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    #110
    GavinZac
    Registered Users Posts: 140 ✭✭GavinZac


    Qwikpix wrote: »
    So why then, would I want to give the owners of the supermarket a "nonexclusive licence" to do this
    because the board can't operate without this license. If the supermarket make money from the board (perhaps with sponsorship), they don't want people suing them for a piece of the profit just because something they put on the board is their own copyright.
    that and the other with my photographs, including a permission to "improve" them?
    The random photo thread has an 800 pixel height and width maximum. If a piece of software (it exists) was implemented to enforce this as standard by resizing larger images, there is a threat that you could sue them for creating derivitive works.


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    #111
    Covey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,368 ✭✭✭Covey


    Qwikpix wrote: »
    Paulw wrote: »
    I think section 7.1 is the biggest concern -

    By making a submission to us, you grant a nonexclusive, irrevocable, worldwide, perpetual, unlimited, assignable, sublicenseable, fully paid up and royalty free right to us to copy, prepare derivative works from, improve, distribute, publish, remove, retain, add, and use and commercialise, in any way now known or in the future discovered, anything that you submit to us, without any further consent, notice and/or compensation to you or to any third parties.

    I will state my interest here in that I am a lawyer. I have just seen the new terms of use and my comment is confined to the above extract which was quoted by another poster.

    Just imagine for a moment that boards.ie is just like a public notice board that one sees in many supermarkets. Now, if I pin one of my photographs to this board I am doing so to inform and/or interest other people who also use this notice board to display their photographs and/or comments.

    So why then, would I want to give the owners of the supermarket a "nonexclusive licence" to do this, that and the other with my photographs, including a permission to "improve" them?

    Now, "improve" is a subjective term as beauty is in the eye of the beholder. So what to me might be a dreadful alteration to my photograph might be an "improvement" in the view of the supermarket owners. If in the future I happen to disagree with an "improvement" made to one of my photographs, my remedy would be to issue proceedings against the supermarket owners. A discussion of the form of the proceedings required would be superfluous here, but suffice it to say that litigation would be both time consuming and very expensive.

    Such a clause may not be enforceable in respect of material submitted by a minor (i.e. under 18 years of age). While such a term of use is in force I will not be submitting any of my photographs to boards.ie. The views of other users and lawyers may differ!

    In fairness I think Darragh took on board (no pun intended !) what was said and his amended text, excepts at all levels photos and graphics and now refers only to text (if accepted by the legal eagles), as I read it.

    There remains just the issue of removing your photos as you wish, which in fairness also he's looking into.


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    #112
    KarmaGarda
    Registered Users Posts: 1,009 ✭✭✭KarmaGarda


    Edit: Actually, scratch that. I misread the TOU.


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    #113
    swingking
    Registered Users Posts: 4,258 ✭✭✭swingking


    I have taken legal advice on this issue (from my gf, who is a trainee solicitor ;) )



    and for the moment being as such until the issue has been clarified by the legal team, I will not be uploading any more photos to boards.


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    #114
    Chorcai
    Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 2,283 Mod ✭✭✭✭Chorcai


    Darragh wrote: »
    Feedback and the "Oh, I'm a regular lurker, I don't interact in here, but isn't this AWFUL?" brigade might tell you. Genuine concerns by people who interact in and contribute to this forum were raised and we are doing our best to act on those, to everyone's benefit.

    Can I ask a quick question as a concern, if I post a picture here and lets say, the boards.ie marketing dept like the image, and use it for whatever use. Am I right in saying that I can't do anything about it ? And does this apply to past images I've posted ? What so wrong with giving someone a kick back for using one their images ?

    Is it that boards want a ton of free stuff ?

    I think to be fair if boards liked an image I posted came to me asked to use it I would just end up giving it to them and be happy with my name in a corner.


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    #115
    Paulw
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 13,381 Mod ✭✭✭✭Paulw


    Chorcai wrote: »
    Can I ask a quick question as a concern, if I post a picture here and lets say, the boards.ie marketing dept like the image, and use it for whatever use. Am I right in saying that I can't do anything about it ? And does this apply to past images I've posted ? What so wrong with giving someone a kick back for using one their images ?

    I think the new proposal quoted by Darragh says that boards.ie can only use what is posted to promote the section of boards it was posted to.

    Post:
    By posting any Material - including creative writing pieces, photographs or graphics on or through Boards.ie, you grant us a limited license to use, modify, publicly perform, publicly display, reproduce, and distribute such Materials in connection with Boards.ie, solely for the purpose of providing, displaying, distributing and promoting the Boards.ie forum to which such Content was submitted, or, in the case of photos or graphics, solely for the purpose for which such photo or graphic was submitted to Boards.ie.

    They can't use it to promote boards.ie but can use it to promote boards.ie photography section.

    Legally, I doubt they can make the new TOS retrospective and apply them to content posted prior to the TOS coming in to effect.
    Chorcai wrote: »
    I think to be fair if boards liked an image I posted came to me asked to use it I would just end up giving it to them and be happy with my name in a corner.

    Not everyone would be of that same view, especially those who try to make money from their photography. My view - if it's good enough to publish, it's good enough to pay for, no matter who wants to use the image.


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    #116
    CabanSail
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 9,047 CMod ✭✭✭✭CabanSail


    Chorcai wrote: »
    Can I ask a quick question as a concern, if I post a picture here and lets say, the boards.ie marketing dept like the image, and use it for whatever use. Am I right in saying that I can't do anything about it ? And does this apply to past images I've posted ? What so wrong with giving someone a kick back for using one their images ?

    That is the concern that some have with the way the text was written. I think that most know that is not the way Boards.ie operate. The problem that is being addressed is that these things can change & if the management change in the future then they could start to mine the resources as per those terms. This is why we are working with the Managers here to get the wording correct. The balance has to be acheived where Boards.ie legally have control over the contents of their website while not infringing on the rights of users who also have rights to control their work. This can be tricky to get right.
    Chorcai wrote: »
    Is it that boards want a ton of free stuff ?

    No. Darragh has laid that one to rest a long time ago & I take his word on that. As said above we have to make sure the Mr Corporate in a Grey Suit doesn't do it in the future.

    I would like to thank Darragh for consulting with the users to get this right. It is good to see that the Admin are seeking our input & treating it seriously. I also appreciate the thought that many here are putting into their suggestions for the changes & doing so in a positive way.


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    #117
    Chorcai
    Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 2,283 Mod ✭✭✭✭Chorcai


    Paulw wrote: »
    Not everyone would be of that same view, especially those who try to make money from their photography. My view - if it's good enough to publish, it's good enough to pay for, no matter who wants to use the image.

    I was just saying from my view, I'd be happy with that but I see where your coming from Paul.


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    #118
    homer simpson
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,852 ✭✭✭homer simpson


    Chorcai wrote: »
    And does this apply to past images I've posted ? What so wrong with giving someone a kick back for using one their images ?


    I wouldn't think so because when we signed up we didn't aggree to let them use our photos then so i wouldn't think they could if they did i'd imagine if they were challanged legally they would lose.


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    #119
    Darragh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,241 ✭✭✭Darragh


    Chorcai wrote: »
    Can I ask a quick question as a concern, if I post a picture here and lets say, the boards.ie marketing dept like the image, and use it for whatever use. Am I right in saying that I can't do anything about it ? And does this apply to past images I've posted ? What so wrong with giving someone a kick back for using one their images ?

    Is it that boards want a ton of free stuff ?

    I think to be fair if boards liked an image I posted came to me asked to use it I would just end up giving it to them and be happy with my name in a corner.

    Heya

    This is a tricky one to answer properly and legally, because I know people will point to the TOU and say "Aha, but it doesn't SAY that"
    if I post a picture here and lets say, the boards.ie marketing dept like the image, and use it for whatever use. Am I right in saying that I can't do anything about it ? And does this apply to past images I've posted ? What so wrong with giving someone a kick back for using one their images ?

    Is it that boards want a ton of free stuff ?

    Okay, so we don't have a Marketing Department - just Dav and me. Now, let's say I wanted your photo specifically for the blog - I'd ask you. If I want it for a presentation - I'll ask you. If I want it for anything other than what it's meant for, I'll ask you.

    Where I don't feel I have to ask you is where I'm taking a screenshot of a page on Boards.ie for a presentation and your photo just happens to be on it, as posted, with others. Is that fair enough? Or would you prefer me to do that? Equally, if I was doing a blog post about what's on the photography forum - for example, here - http://blog.boards.ie/2009/07/17/thread-the-boards-3-round-up/ - I might not ask you, but I will link to the original thread in the forum and state your username. Again, if you don't want me to do that, tell me.

    Can you do anything about it, if I use it without your permission? Yes. You can ask me not to do it again. You can tell other people I did it. You can stop posting here. You can cause a fuss about it. All of those things are damaging to Boards.ie Ltd. If people don't trust us, they won't use us. What good would that be?

    We of course want to credit our contributors - on a commercial basis we can point to people and say "these people are on our forums, look how good they are!" - that looks better for us too!

    So, the new TOU only apply to images you posted after December 23. We will also, once the new terms as above go live, seek to retrosepectively enforce those. We want your work to be yours, and your rights to be protected as much as possible.

    So, say I leave Boards.ie and someone else comes in, not knowing the history and doesn't feel they should ask and does it? Go ballistic. Basically you should think - if I don't like it, they shouldn't like it. Now, as I said, if someone can give me text for the TOU that we can include that says "we will not use your photos etc etc" then great - I'm open to that. But I don't know how that text should be phrased or what it should say - do you?

    Happy to clarify any further queries you have.

    Darragh


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    Covey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,368 ✭✭✭Covey


    Darragh wrote: »
    Heya



    We will also, once the new terms as above go live, seek to retrosepectively enforce those.

    That sentence alone has convinced me never to post a photo here again.

    When the next TOU's say " We can resell your photos" for example I presume that will also be retrospective.

    I'm afraid you've lost me on this one. :(


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    Paulw
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 13,381 Mod ✭✭✭✭Paulw


    Wow.

    I must say, I was never aware of blogs.boards.ie. I'm wondering if your use of images there, taken from boards.ie forum is not already a breach of copyright, since the image is being used in a blog without the expressed permission of the copyright owner?

    What you posted isn't a screenshot, it's a data grab from the forum.

    I would have expected that blogs.boards.ie is separate from www.boards.ie forum?


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