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M9 - Waterford motorway construction updates

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  • #552
    dougal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 607 ✭✭✭dougal


    mfitzy wrote: »
    Thanks for that Dougal...weather dependent my arse though. I know it has been awful but this has been going on for over 2 years ffs!
    Not commiting either way I see really. A lot of maybes I think!
    I don't think we should have to go asking/chasing for answers. There's more than enough staff over in John Street and in BAM ltd that should be updating us regularly; it is OUR taxpayers money after being spent and we deserve value for it :). Just my opinion anyhow!

    I agree with you on both points - there should be more updates and we still don't know what is happening.
    This scheme looks to possibly go 12 months over ( basing this on the signs saying completion Spring 2009 ), are there incentives or penalties to get projects done on time?


  • #553
    Bards
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,794 ✭✭✭Bards


    dougal wrote: »
    I agree with you on both points - there should be more updates and we still don't know what is happening.
    This scheme looks to possibly go 12 months over ( basing this on the signs saying completion Spring 2009 ), are there incentives or penalties to get projects done on time?

    It will open I bet with the Danesford section of the Knocktopher to Carlow Scheme and as thaa section will be ahead of schedule, by some miracle they will declare that the "whole project (Waterford to Danesford) opened ahead of schedule and under budget"


  • #554
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,474 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Road closures still ongoing, I presume this is near Mullinavat somewhere, hope they get on with it. Should surely be the last of such closures;
    http://www.kilkennycoco.ie/eng/RSS_Roads_Notices/NoticeofTempRoadClosureCrowballyLS8270partoffrom5Octforaperiodof3wks.shortcut.html


  • #555
    Roryhy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 368 ✭✭Roryhy


    Saw wearing course going down yesterday just south of the overbridge at the Priory pub, 2 lanes done but the road curves around so i didn't see how far it goes on for. The tie in at kilcullen is making great progress too, old surface is removed and they are raising the level of the southbound carriageway. The traffic layout seems to be working well to, though im part of the n/m9 traffic, not n78


  • #556
    Chris_533976
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,082 ✭✭✭Chris_533976


    Any more Nore bridge pics floating about? Someone needs to get out there with a camera, its quite a structure.


  • #557
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,474 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Roryhy wrote: »
    Saw wearing course going down yesterday just south of the overbridge at the Priory pub, 2 lanes done but the road curves around so i didn't see how far it goes on for. The tie in at kilcullen is making great progress too, old surface is removed and they are raising the level of the southbound carriageway. The traffic layout seems to be working well to, though im part of the n/m9 traffic, not n78

    Another very well managed road project by Roadbridge; not surprising at all. They are doing an excellent job with disruption and dirt kept to a minimum. In contrast to BAM/Ascons efforts further south :rolleyes:


  • #558
    Star Spangler
    Registered Users Posts: 103 ✭✭Star Spangler


    Roryhy wrote: »
    Saw wearing course going down yesterday just south of the overbridge at the Priory pub, 2 lanes done but the road curves around so i didn't see how far it goes on for. The tie in at kilcullen is making great progress too, old surface is removed and they are raising the level of the southbound carriageway. The traffic layout seems to be working well to, though im part of the n/m9 traffic, not n78

    I walked over to the tie-in yesterday and had a good look at it. What was interesting once you're standing on it is that you can see that 4/5ths of the tie-in can be completed without changing the current traffic layout. They have been busy and were even working on it on Saturday which would indicate that they are pushing on. I've only seen Roadbridge working the very odd Saturday over the last year or so.

    When you drive past the tie in works, you might notice a large pile of black gravel on what used to be the soutbound carriageway. This gravel will be used to construct a ramp up onto and down off the new motorway during the final 1/5th of the tie-in with the N9 traffic being moved over to the opposite side of the road to where it's running along at the moment.

    The new traffic flow has been working relatively okay except for two pinch points. 1. Coming off the new link-road onto the N78 in the morning can take some time. 2. Coming off the new link-road onto the N9 in the evening likewise.


  • #559
    rameire
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,183 ✭✭✭rameire


    i will get pics this week of the tie in.
    was meant to do it last week, only got one or two and battery died.
    have a new toy for clamping the camera to the bike so will get the new motorway on video when its open.

    🌞 3.8kwp, 🌞 Split 2.28S, 1.52E. 🌞 Clonee, Dub.🌞



  • #560
    Munurty
    Registered Users Posts: 176 ✭✭Munurty


    Took a few aerial pics of the M9 south of Kilkenny this evening. They're pretty poor pics but give an idea of progress.

    3897268148_2d3dd25354.jpg
    Mulinavat interchange

    Flickr Photos


  • #561
    BluntGuy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,468 ✭✭✭BluntGuy


    Thanks very much for those great pics, Munurty! :)


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  • #562
    Roryhy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 368 ✭✭Roryhy


    I second that, its not the first time you've given us nice pics to look at, appreciate it, thanks.


  • #563
    tramor
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    Great pics, Munurty, as always. Much appreciated.
    You must have just avoided the rain and low cloud this evening.


  • #564
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,474 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Thanks again Munurty. We all really appreciate the time and effort you make to take these pics for us to enjoy and keep us updated. Far better than any rubbish attempt at a newsletter/update from the 'Council. Thanks again :)


  • #565
    Star Spangler
    Registered Users Posts: 103 ✭✭Star Spangler


    Munurty wrote: »
    Took a few aerial pics of the M9 south of Kilkenny this evening. They're pretty poor pics but give an idea of progress.

    3897268148_2d3dd25354.jpg
    Mulinavat interchange

    Flickr Photos

    If that's as far as they are I can't see them being ready before the New Year.


  • #566
    Bards
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,794 ✭✭✭Bards


    Yes it certainly looks more and more like they (Ascon/Bam) will miss yet another deadline - Spring 2009, then Q3 2009, what next Q4 2010?


  • #567
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,474 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Bards wrote: »
    Yes it certainly looks more and more like they (Ascon/Bam) will miss yet another deadline - Spring 2009, then Q3 2009, what next Q4 2010?

    If "arsing around" were an Olympic sport I reckon we'd have a great medal chance with them ;). The "weather" seems to be the usual scapegoat.


  • #568
    dougal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 607 ✭✭✭dougal


    mfitzy wrote: »
    The "weather" seems to be the usual scapegoat.

    Lucky for Roadbridge they don't have to worry about the same weather it seems!!
    Much better weather north of Knocktopher!;)


  • #569
    tramor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 65 ✭✭tramor


    It looks from Munurty's earlier pictures the section from Knocktopher up to the Carlow bypass is actually ahead of that Mullinavat section. Unbelievable that they are still shifting earth around. Who can be overseeing the project to allow a section to drift so far behind.

    Anyway, more signs were being put up on the Kilmeadan roundabout this morning. Maybe they will open the Waterford Bypass before Christmas and leave the M9 to Knocktopher for a seperate opening. Somehow I find the opening of the Waterford bypass much less exciting than opening sections of M9( don't mean to sound ungrateful, though!). Maybe it has to do with 20 years of the absolute pain and frustration the drive to Dublin entails.


  • #570
    road_high
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    tramor wrote: »
    Somehow I find the opening of the Waterford bypass much less exciting than opening sections of M9( don't mean to sound ungrateful, though!). Maybe it has to do with 20 years of the absolute pain and frustration the drive to Dublin entails.

    Well either way it will be history in matter of months now anyhow. How many months exactly is anyones guess. We had these delays before with the Kilkenny ring road a few years back. IMO there should be a National Roads Building Authority with minimal Council involvements. Streamline the whole thing and avoid have multiple Councils involved. Only leads to inefficiencies and mindless delays such as this one.


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  • #571
    Road-Hog
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    mfitzy wrote: »
    Well either way it will be history in matter of months now anyhow. How many months exactly is anyones guess. We had these delays before with the Kilkenny ring road a few years back. IMO there should be a National Roads Building Authority with minimal Council involvements. Streamline the whole thing and avoid have multiple Councils involved. Only leads to inefficiencies and mindless delays such as this one.

    I think we have what you are calling for already i.e. the NRA........the councils are only involved in the statutory procedures such as CPO, oral hearings etc......once construction starts the programme for completion is the contractors total responsibility :D


  • #572
    road_high
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    Road-Hog wrote: »
    I think we have what you are calling for already i.e. the NRA........the councils are only involved in the statutory procedures such as CPO, oral hearings etc......once construction starts the programme for completion is the contractors total responsibility :D

    I thought the Councils had a bigger role, but I will stand corrected. You're right though in that case, last thing we need is another quango!


  • #573
    Bards
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,794 ✭✭✭Bards


    Road-Hog wrote: »
    I think we have what you are calling for already i.e. the NRA........the councils are only involved in the statutory procedures such as CPO, oral hearings etc......once construction starts the programme for completion is the contractors total responsibility :D

    not 100% correct as the council will appoint it's own consultant to act as go between the contractor and the council itself to make sure services are re-routed I.E Gas, Water Electricity, roads closures etc.


  • #574
    Road-Hog
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    Bards wrote: »
    not 100% correct as the council will appoint it's own consultant to act as go between the contractor and the council itself to make sure services are re-routed I.E Gas, Water Electricity, roads closures etc.

    I think the resident engineering staff representing the NRA on the site would look after the majority of things you mention, only in exceptional circumstances would there be an ESB/Water/Road Diversion significant enough to warrant the appointment of an independent consultant , plus these type of diverions etc would rarely be on the critical path of the project programme.

    I'd be farily confident that the slippage in the Mullinavat area is down to Ascon/BAM's project management ability.


  • #575
    rameire
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,183 ✭✭✭rameire


    some pics on their way, and a small video if i can work out how to load and post.
    and star spangler, if its yours i think you need to take in your green bin.

    🌞 3.8kwp, 🌞 Split 2.28S, 1.52E. 🌞 Clonee, Dub.🌞



  • #576
    tramor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 65 ✭✭tramor


    Excellent Rameire, I'm looking forward to those. I was actually going to ask this evening did you get any.


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  • #577
    rameire
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,183 ✭✭✭rameire


    pics from the 9th sept and a couple from the 1st sept.
    for n9 / n78 kilcullen area. click on pics or link for rest of pics
    9th sept
    3904654074_77a807161f_b.jpg ....................... 1st sept 3903854793_24990e24ab.jpg

    flickrrrrrr september set of pics

    🌞 3.8kwp, 🌞 Split 2.28S, 1.52E. 🌞 Clonee, Dub.🌞



  • #578
    rameire
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,183 ✭✭✭rameire


    video attached was taken today on the bike, so sorry bout the noise.
    starts off from a side road on the current N9, behind me 300 meters back is the bridge shown in many of the photos i have taken which spans the new m9. I join the N9 going north and slip off to the left onto the new N9 which terminates at the N78.

    🌞 3.8kwp, 🌞 Split 2.28S, 1.52E. 🌞 Clonee, Dub.🌞



  • #579
    tramor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 65 ✭✭tramor


    that is tremendous progress in just one week. Roadbridge really do rip into the work!! It does'nt look like there is a lot of electrics, water mains etc. being tied in, but maybe that comes after the major earth works and before the tar goes down. Judging by those pictures the origional time schedule of 8-10 weeks looks very realistic. Thanks for the photos and video, Rameire. It's the only way to keep up to date on progress.


  • #580
    rameire
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,183 ✭✭✭rameire


    your welcome.
    the guys were working when i was there from 5.30 till 6 this evening.
    flying up and down with dumper loads of hard core for the tie in, think there were 4 dumpers working at the time.

    also just before the kilcullen junction going south bound, they were installing the metal work for new road signage.
    they all seem determined at their work.

    🌞 3.8kwp, 🌞 Split 2.28S, 1.52E. 🌞 Clonee, Dub.🌞



  • #581
    fuzzy dunlop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,196 ✭✭✭fuzzy dunlop


    This may be of interest to you all (As an indicator)

    http://www.kildare.ie/community/notices/sports/10k_crookstown_motorway_run.asp


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  • #582
    Star Spangler
    Registered Users Posts: 103 ✭✭Star Spangler


    rameire wrote: »
    some pics on their way, and a small video if i can work out how to load and post.
    and star spangler, if its yours i think you need to take in your green bin.

    It's in now. :D


  • #583
    Star Spangler
    Registered Users Posts: 103 ✭✭Star Spangler


    tramor wrote: »
    It does'nt look like there is a lot of electrics, water mains etc. being tied in, but maybe that comes after the major earth works and before the tar goes down.

    I think that was all done at the end of the new motorway a few months ago. Certainly phones, electric and water mains were done then as we were affected on each of these at that time. If you look at that end when you pass it you should notice the new telegraph poles etc. Therefore, it seems to be a straight forward join-up job.


  • #584
    spacetweek
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,144 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    tramor wrote: »
    Maybe they will open the Waterford Bypass before Christmas and leave the M9 to Knocktopher for a seperate opening. Somehow I find the opening of the Waterford bypass much less exciting than opening sections of M9( don't mean to sound ungrateful, though!). Maybe it has to do with 20 years of the absolute pain and frustration the drive to Dublin entails.
    Eh? The Waterford bypass is opening in 14 days.


  • #585
    BluntGuy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,468 ✭✭✭BluntGuy


    spacetweek wrote: »
    The Waterford bypass is opening in 14 days.

    Really? That's excellent news.

    Could you provide a link to somewhere this was said?


  • #586
    Bards
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,794 ✭✭✭Bards


    Not a chance of the WCB opening in 14 days. more like End of October. Lousy weather played a part in it being delayed as it was due to open with the hosting of the Balooning Championships being held week begining 21st


  • #587
    Star Spangler
    Registered Users Posts: 103 ✭✭Star Spangler


    rameire wrote: »
    your welcome.
    the guys were working when i was there from 5.30 till 6 this evening.
    flying up and down with dumper loads of hard core for the tie in, think there were 4 dumpers working at the time.

    also just before the kilcullen junction going south bound, they were installing the metal work for new road signage.
    they all seem determined at their work.

    The dumpers were working at 7am today (Saturday). There's a lot of overtime being done.


  • #588
    Wild Bill
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,129 ✭✭✭Wild Bill


    M9 4km north of the Carlow bypass 9th September


  • #589
    Wild Bill
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,129 ✭✭✭Wild Bill


    And at the northern end - not so advanced (this is a few K south of Kilcullen)


  • #590
    deiseman21
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 105 ✭✭deiseman21


    Bards wrote: »
    Not a chance of the WCB opening in 14 days. more like End of October. Lousy weather played a part in it being delayed as it was due to open with the hosting of the Balooning Championships being held week begining 21st

    (at a guess) shouldn't it all be safety reports and landscaping at this stage ,so weather shouldn't really have much to do with it at all really.


  • #591
    Wild Bill
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,129 ✭✭✭Wild Bill


    More news from the Northern front:

    This is the Athy link road (9 September) close to the town. Looks like the mainline between Kilcullen and the Carlow bypass will open before the link road.


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  • #592
    Sully
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 24,056 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sully


    Right well myself and stick-dan started at Grannagh and then headed to Mulinavat. Our plan is to go as far as Carlow at least over the next week or so.

    We got asked to leave when heading towards the bridge (for the bypass) as they were working on it. Mulinavat has a LOT of work. They are pumping out the water that lies beneath the surface and the only stretch with tarmac needs additional layers, the media, lights (if required), linining etc. Though, they have created a lay-by on the mulinavat stretch - didnt expect to see that.

    See them all here: http://pix.ie/sully/album/354601

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  • #593
    alpha2zulu
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    Great pics there,shame to see so much work left in the Mullinavat area.

    Just on this pic at the Grannagh junction roundabout:
    http://pix.ie/sully/1220035/in/album/354601
    I would have expected some M9 signage, have they got some of the signage wrong there?


  • #594
    Sully
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    We didnt go very far once we got up there, just down as far as the railway bridge. Dans battery was running low and he wanted photos of the bridge before anything else - where we were sadly asked to leave. So we moved on towards other parts and plan on completing the above another day (also the toll bridge, looks different from older photos).

    From what I could see, there was no other signage about.

    I have photos from the B&Q enterance to the bridge from sometime ago here:
    http://pix.ie/sully/album/336622


  • #595
    spacetweek
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    BluntGuy wrote: »
    Really? That's excellent news.

    Could you provide a link to somewhere this was said?

    Sorry BluntGuy, seems the guys are right - now it's the 20th Oct, not Sep.


  • #596
    BluntGuy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,468 ✭✭✭BluntGuy


    spacetweek wrote: »
    Sorry BluntGuy, seems the guys are right - now it's the 20th Oct, not Sep.

    Even the 20th October date I'm not so sure about. I need to see some concrete proof, because when I rang the site office, they gave no indication that they were aiming for this date. Now, of course, I reckon an engineer on the ground could give a better opinion than she could've, but it still means we have nothing official.


  • #597
    Amtmann
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,093 ✭✭✭Amtmann


    Some nice new shots have been uploaded to the M9's wikipedia page by wiki editor Sarah777: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M9_motorway_%28Ireland%29#Future


  • #598
    Ed_
    Closed Accounts Posts: 194 ✭✭Ed_


    spacetweek wrote: »
    Sorry BluntGuy, seems the guys are right - now it's the 20th Oct, not Sep.

    Do you think the stretch that bypasses Kilmeaden could be opened sooner? Signs and all that are up now and it looks to be very nearly done.


  • #599
    Wild Bill
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,129 ✭✭✭Wild Bill


    Bit confused here :confused:.

    Kilmeaden bypass is the N25, not the M9? Which is opening when? I'd suggest the Kilcullen to Carlow stretch of the M9 will open within 6 months; apart from that I'm confused.


  • #600
    tramor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 65 ✭✭tramor


    Thanks for the photos, Sully. Re. the bypass, It looks to me that this might not open this side of Christmas, not to mention Oct 20th. One of those photos seems to show the foundations of a bridge structure (the one of the hole in the ground with all the re-bar). Even if I'm wrong about that there seems to be quite a lot of finishing work to be done on other parts also, around the Grannagh roundabout, and that work always seems to take a surprising amount of time.
    Re. the earthworks at Mullinavat. They seem to have a lot of dump trucks working on that section, but just from memory, motorways at that stage take ages to finish. I'd be afraid to even hazard a guess as to when this section might be completed!
    Is there any chance they are slowing down the Southern sections until the more Northern sections are completed in order to avoid traffic chaos in Knocktopher etc. or is it just terrible project management. Apologies in advance for being so depressing!


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  • #601
    Bards
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    tramor wrote: »
    Thanks for the photos, Sully. Re. the bypass, It looks to me that this might not open this side of Christmas, not to mention Oct 20th. One of those photos seems to show the foundations of a bridge structure (the one of the hole in the ground with all the re-bar). Even if I'm wrong about that there seems to be quite a lot of finishing work to be done on other parts also, around the Grannagh roundabout, and that work always seems to take a surprising amount of time.
    Re. the earthworks at Mullinavat. They seem to have a lot of dump trucks working on that section, but just from memory, motorways at that stage take ages to finish. I'd be afraid to even hazard a guess as to when this section might be completed!
    Is there any chance they are slowing down the Southern sections until the more Northern sections are completed in order to avoid traffic chaos in Knocktopher etc. or is it just terrible project management. Apologies in advance for being so depressing!



    All Structures for N25 WCB are more or less complete apart from finishing touches, AFAIK this is on schedule for completion end of Oct 2009

    M9 Waterford to Kncoktopher (Phase 2 of Waterford Dublin MIU) still has a big question mark hanging over it to be complete by years end. Judging from the photos around Mulinavat, I would say Q1 2010 is more realistic at this stage, that's a full 12 months behind the original target completion date of spring 2009 - Very bad showing from a civil engineering firm as large as Bam, who should have put more manpower/plant once they saw the date slipping away


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