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Berlin marathon 2017 - Greatest race on earth

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  • 19-09-2017 8:49pm
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    Testosterscone
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    World Records Since 2003 - 6 (all in Berlin)

    Starting list

    Eliud Kipchoge
    - 2003 5000m World Champion
    - 2016 Olympic Marathon Champion
    - Career marathon wins - 7
    - Fastest Marathon time - 2.00.25 (2.03.05 official)
    - Last time he ran Berlin he won in 2.04.00 and did it in these shoes

    Kenenisa Bekele
    - 5000m/10,000m World Record Holder (12.37 and 26.17)
    - 3 time Olympic Champion
    - 5 time World Champion
    - 11 time World Cross Country Champion
    - 2016 Berlin Marathon winner (PB of 2.03.03)

    Wilson Kipsang
    - Former Marathon World Record holder
    - 2012 Olympic Marathon Bronze medalist
    - 5 time World marathon Major Champion
    - Only man to ever beat Kipchoge in a marathon
    - PB of 2.03.13 from last year (2nd in Berlin to Bekele)

    Other runners include former World Record holder Patrick Makau

    The three men listed are all capable of going under the current WR and winning the race (current record 2.02.57) this weekend


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    OOnegative
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    Weather currently giving 12 degrees with small possibility of rain for Berlin Sunday, stacked field who will hopefully race each other to a WR. Big soft spot for Kipsang to be honest but think he's past his best.


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    Testosterscone
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    OOnegative wrote: »
    Weather currently giving 12 degrees with small possibility of rain for Berlin Sunday, stacked field who will hopefully race each other to a WR. Big soft spot for Kipsang to be honest but think he's past his best.

    Ran PB last year and followed it up with a course record in Tokyo in Feb, I think he has seen a huge resurgence in the past 12 months, dunno if he has the racing mentality of the track veterans but still wouldn't be suprised to see him dip under the 2.03 (though maybe not get the win)


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    OOnegative
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    Testosterscone wrote: »
    Ran PB last year and followed it up with a course record in Tokyo in Feb, I think he has seen a huge resurgence in the past 12 months, dunno if he has the racing mentality of the track veterans but still wouldn't be suprised to see him dip under the 2.03 (though maybe not get the win)

    Just thought he lacked a killer instinct in London '16 when he had a chance to win the race against Kipchoge. He may well have been having a bad day like us mortals but he faded badly in that race and finished back in 6/7th. He looks such an effortless & elegant runner.

    Edit: Realise that was over 12 months ago now, things change.


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    MisterDrak
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    Doesn't seem to be televised anywhere ???

    EuroSport used to have it, and always had a good coverage of the event ?


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    average_runner
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    Apparently Kipchoge said he ran 40k at altitude in 2:08 a few weeks ago.


    What I always find about these statements, is that they are sent out to try and prove the athlete is all good but usually the opposite.

    So Kipchoge won't win, but dont put money on this theory:D


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    average_runner
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    MisterDrak wrote: »
    Doesn't seem to be televised anywhere ???

    EuroSport used to have it, and always had a good coverage of the event ?


    Money dispute last year ended it!


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    Testosterscone
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    MisterDrak wrote: »
    Doesn't seem to be televised anywhere ???

    EuroSport used to have it, and always had a good coverage of the event ?

    http://www.watchathletics.com/schedule/watchlive/2878

    I think NBCSN in US also has it so I think could possibly be European Coverage also


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    El Caballo
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    average_runner wrote: »
    Apparently Kipchoge said he ran 40k at altitude in 2:08 a few weeks ago.


    What I always find about these statements, is that they are sent out to try and prove the athlete is all good but usually the opposite.

    So Kipchoge won't win, but dont put money on this theory:D

    The Statement is actually 40k at 2.08 pace so he supposedly ran 40k in 2:01 at altitude.

    We know from Canova's log that Moses Mosop ran 40k in 2:07 in the lead up to his illegal 2:03 in Boston which was realistically worth more like 2:05/6 because of the huge tailwind which is still a hugely quick time and while Kipchoge is a better runner than Mosop, it's hard to comprehend that Kipchoge could "actually" run that much faster than him over a 40k workout when Mosop was in incredible shape. I don't buy the 40k at 2.08 pace. Much more likely that he ran 40k in 2:08 which while sounding insane to Joe soap, is something that a lot of Kenyan 2:03/4 guys could and have done in the past. Think it's all mind games though.


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    El Caballo
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    Pacers have been asked to run 60:50 through halfway, 2:01:40 pace!!!


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    Chivito550
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    Have to say I can't really warm to this stuff. The way it's hyped up in the media, anything other than a WR will be a complete anti-climax.

    As for whether it's the greatest race on earth, we'll only know that afterwards, depending on how competitive it is in the last mile.


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    average_runner
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    Chivito550 wrote: »
    Have to say I can't really warm to this stuff. The way it's hyped up in the media, anything other than a WR will be a complete anti-climax.

    As for whether it's the greatest race on earth, we'll only know that afterwards, depending on how competitive it is in the last mile.


    A competitive last mile doesn't make a race great, there is a number of things.


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    Testosterscone
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    Chivito550 wrote: »
    Have to say I can't really warm to this stuff. The way it's hyped up in the media, anything other than a WR will be a complete anti-climax.

    As for whether it's the greatest race on earth, we'll only know that afterwards, depending on how competitive it is in the last mile.

    Athletics has been criticized for the top guys avoiding each other and here we have arguably the top 3 (marathon- some might argue Bekele is too inconsistent at the distance to be considered a great marathon runner yet) runners of all time all capable of running inside the current world record and two who have a track record in being very smart racers.

    Why wouldn't they hype up this race to try catch the imagination of the general public?

    Plenty of attention was drummed up for El Clasico's in the past or Nadal Federer Grand slam finals. Not all were classic's but the hype built up around them wasn't any less.

    Perhaps we need to be a little less smart at times and celebrate these sort of head to heads to entice other Race Directors to not be afraid of setting up races that aren't selected time trials or soft wins (the way Berlin has in the past or some DL races (Paris and the UK ones) have been accused of in shorter distances.


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    Chivito550
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    Testosterscone wrote: »
    Athletics has been criticized for the top guys avoiding each other and here we have arguably the top 3 (marathon- some might argue Bekele is too inconsistent at the distance to be considered a great marathon runner yet) runners of all time all capable of running inside the current world record and two who have a track record in being very smart racers.

    Why wouldn't they hype up this race to try catch the imagination of the general public?

    Plenty of attention was drummed up for El Clasico's in the past or Nadal Federer Grand slam finals. Not all were classic's but the hype built up around them wasn't any less.

    Perhaps we need to be a little less smart at times and celebrate these sort of head to heads to entice other Race Directors to not be afraid of setting up races that aren't selected time trials or soft wins (the way Berlin has in the past or some DL races (Paris and the UK ones) have been accused of in shorter distances.


    Hyping up races is great, if it's the actual head to head that is being hyped up. Athletics needs more of that.

    Hyping up races as a strong chance of seeing a WR is destined to end in anti climax and disappointment. WRs very rarely happen. They are not supposed to happen often. The likely scenario is the record will not go this weekend and it will all feel a bit meh to many. The same way Van Niekerk winning in London nowhere near his WR felt like a let down because of the hype of the 43 second barrier.

    The other scenario is that the record goes, everyone is delighted, and then future marathons can't live up to that standard.

    Hype the athletes, not the record attempts.


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    Testosterscone
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    Chivito550 wrote: »
    Hyping up races is great, if it's the actual head to head that is being hyped up. Athletics needs more of that.

    Hyping up races as a strong chance of seeing a WR is destined to end in anti climax and disappointment. WRs very rarely happen. They are not supposed to happen often. The likely scenario is the record will not go this weekend and it will all feel a bit meh to many. The same way Van Niekerk winning in London nowhere near his WR felt like a let down because of the hype of the 43 second barrier.

    The other scenario is that the record goes, everyone is delighted, and then future marathons can't live up to that standard.

    Hype the athletes, not the record attempts.

    To be fair there has been huge hype around the 2003 rematch between Kipchoge and Bekele (to bad El G never moved up to the marathon :P)

    Also there records against each other; despite Bekele winning 15 of the 22 heads up he is 0-2 over the marathon against Kipchoge.


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    Djoucer
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    The hype is warranted in this case.

    Great line up, potential WR on a fast course.

    That's what hype is. It's unfulfilled potential.

    Criticising hype is akin tilting at windmills. You can only say if it was justified after the event.


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    Pherekydes
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    Djoucer wrote: »
    The hype is warranted in this case.
    You can only say if it was justified after the event.

    Contradiction, your honour!


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    tommykb
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    MisterDrak wrote: »
    Doesn't seem to be televised anywhere ???

    EuroSport used to have it, and always had a good coverage of the event ?
    Supposed to be on Sky chanel 424?


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    average_runner
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    tommykb wrote: »
    Supposed to be on Sky chanel 424?


    What channel is that?


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    tommykb
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    https://www.freesports.tv/ - Think it shows up as Eir 2 on Sky


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    Testosterscone
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    Should be intereesting :P

    http://www.letsrun.com/news/2017/09/craziest-guy-berlin-japans-yuta-****ara-will-race-berlin-marathon-8-days-running-6017-half-marathon-likely-go-leaders/

    Suppose you have to throw caution to the wind some times :D


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    Testosterscone
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    El Caballo wrote: »
    The Statement is actually 40k at 2.08 pace so he supposedly ran 40k in 2:01 at altitude.

    Looks like there is conflicting information on this

    http://www.sweatelite.co/eliud-kipchoge-full-training-log-leading-marathon-world-record-attempt/

    This video seems to back up a bit of the training also

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=738&v=l-w1R90nJhE


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    Slow_Runner
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    Testosterscone wrote: »
    Looks like there is conflicting information on this

    http://www.sweatelite.co/eliud-kipchoge-full-training-log-leading-marathon-world-record-attempt/
    Sweet jebus!!!:O


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    Chivito550
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    Just seen a stat on twitter that Kipsang has gone sub 2:05 for 8 years in a row. That is simply stunning.


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    Testosterscone
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    Chivito550 wrote: »
    Just seen a stat on twitter that Kipsang has gone sub 2:05 for 8 years in a row. That is simply stunning.

    He also has 4 sub 2.04 clockings to Kipchoges 1 and 9 marathon wins (5 WMM which is the same as Kipchoge)


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    Itziger
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    Slow_Runner wrote: »
    Sweet jebus!!!:O

    Hmmm, those 40km tempo runs. Must chuck in a few of them next marathon plan. Easy PM though on those days :)


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    Glencarraig
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    tommykb wrote: »
    Supposed to be on Sky chanel 424?

    Not on the programme planner on 424


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    rom
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    http://www.letsrun.com/news/2017/09/television-streaming-info-2017-berlin-marathon/

    If you want to watch it pm me tonight and I can help you out but wont in the morning.


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    El Caballo
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    El Caballo wrote: »
    Pacers have been asked to run 60:50 through halfway, 2:01:40 pace!!!

    They decided to amend the pace through halfway..

    to 60:45!!!

    I think Kipchoge has lost it altogether, that is faster than the Irish Half Marathon record set by Alistair Cragg of 1:00:49. I think it was in London in 2013 where the pacers went out in 61:30 to the absolute horror of the commentators and carnage ensued with Kebede winning in 2:06. 4 and a bit years later and 61:00 doesn't cut it anymore:pac:

    This could be carnage if he goes with it. Bekele and Kipsang want no part of it either as both seem to be hinting towards running 61:10 for the first half which is pretty much what they went through halfway in last year. Bekele saying he is going to run his own race.


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    average_runner
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    Kipsang to win tomorrow. Bekele second.


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    Pacing Mule
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    tommykb wrote: »
    https://www.freesports.tv/ - Think it shows up as Eir 2 on Sky

    It's a UK only channel.


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