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2016 U.S. Presidential Race Megathread Mark 2.

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  • #8822
    Skylinehead
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,690 ✭✭✭✭Skylinehead


    Count Dooku wrote: »
    Say thanks to Hillary's warmongering rhetoric and and-Trump bias in US media with result that people would believe an independent NGO rather to what been called not so long time ago as "reputable US newspapers"

    "independent NGO"

    They're not UNICEF mate, they're likely guys in a basement somewhere. That's your response to fake news sites, that link to some nobodies?


  • #8823
    InTheTrees
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,900 ✭✭✭InTheTrees


    Skylinehead wrote: »
    Count Dooku wrote: »
    Say thanks to Hillary's warmongering rhetoric and and-Trump bias in US media with result that people would believe an independent NGO rather to what been called not so long time ago as "reputable US newspapers"

    "independent NGO"

    They're not UNICEF mate, they're likely guys in a basement somewhere. That's your response to fake news sites, that link to some nobodies?

    Were all independent ngo's aren't we? Funny.

    The crazy part is that people will continue to believe the fake news stories even when they're revealed to be fake.


  • #8824
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,775 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    alastair wrote: »
    As I already said - the reality is at odds with your Saudi CT.

    It is not a conspiracy theory.

    It is common knowledge. If you don't the geopolitics of the Middle East, then it is just a huge conspiracy theory.


    From the BBC, and also know the Clintons with their pay for play, also has Hillary with the same Syrian policy...
    The Sunni-ruled Gulf kingdom says President Assad cannot be part of a solution to the conflict and must hand over power to a transitional administration or be removed by force.
    Riyadh is a major provider of military and financial assistance to several rebel groups, including those with Islamist ideologies, and has called for a no-fly zone to be imposed to protect civilians from bombardment by Syrian government forces.
    Saudi leaders were angered by the Obama administration's decision not to intervene militarily in Syria after a 2013 chemical attack blamed on Mr Assad's forces.
    They later agreed to take part in the US-led coalition air campaign against IS, concerned by the group's advances and its popularity among a minority of Saudis.


    Then the Iranian policy:
    Regional Shia power Iran is believed to be spending billions of dollars a year to prop up President Assad and his Alawite-dominated government, providing military advisers and subsidised weapons, as well as lines of credit and oil transfers.
    Mr Assad is Iran's closest Arab ally and Syria is the main transit point for Iranian weapons shipments to the Lebanese Shia Islamist movement, Hezbollah.
    Iran is also believed to have been influential in Hezbollah's decision to send fighters to western Syria to assist pro-Assad forces.
    Militiamen from Iran and Iraq who say they are protecting Shia holy sites are also fighting alongside Syrian troops.
    Iran has proposed a peaceful transition in Syria that would culminate in free, multi-party elections. It was involved in peace talks over Syria's future for the first time when world powers met in Vienna.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-23849587

    As I said it is a proxy war going on Syria.


  • #8825
    aloyisious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,283 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    With respect to the Mid-East as a region, proxy wars have been going on there for over a century now and the current, last and new Admins are just the latest inheritors of global politics. I doubt if many US voters gave the region much thought as being relevant when the HRC/DT grudge fight was going on.


  • #8826
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,987 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Count Dooku wrote: »
    He is just trying to build a secular state in Middle East


    He doesn't care if it's a secular or theocratic state as long as he rules it.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



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  • #8827
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,987 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    RobertKK wrote: »
    For some people a sale of distressed assets that are undertaken by a creditors about 25 years ago is equivalent to the Clintons taking in money from Saudi Arabia in the past 5 or 6 years, after 9/11 when they had been under constant suspicion of being behind 9/11.

    Assad is the devil that is known, maybe people prefer the Saudi supported devils who are even far far worse and far far more intolerant.

    The Saudis and Assad are both the devil we know.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • #8828
    Count Dooku
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,419 ✭✭✭Count Dooku


    alastair wrote: »
    It's not an 'independent NGO'. It's a couple of hobbyist nerds with a blog. Nobody believes in this, except for gullible regurgitators of false news memes.
    I don't remember Hillary supporters panicking when they were increasing their "DEFCON levels" to 3
    Skylinehead wrote: »
    "independent NGO"

    They're not UNICEF mate, they're likely guys in a basement somewhere. That's your response to fake news sites, that link to some nobodies?
    Do you mean that only Soros funded news outlets can be trusted?
    InTheTrees wrote: »

    The crazy part is that people will continue to believe the fake news stories even when they're revealed to be fake.
    As I said, say thanks to anti Trump bias which destroyed reputation of most MSMs


  • #8829
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    RobertKK wrote: »
    It is not a conspiracy theory.

    It is common knowledge. If you don't the geopolitics of the Middle East, then it is just a huge conspiracy theory.


    From the BBC, and also know the Clintons with their pay for play, also has Hillary with the same Syrian policy...




    Then the Iranian policy:


    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-23849587

    As I said it is a proxy war going on Syria.

    That's nothing to do with your Saudi CT (that they initiated and funded the Syrian uprising), and there is no evidence of any Clinton Foundation 'pay to play' activities - it's simply GOP bluster.


  • #8830
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Count Dooku wrote: »
    I don't remember Hillary supporters panicking when they were increasing their "DEFCON levels" to 3


    Do you mean that only Soros funded news outlets can be trusted?


    As I said, say thanks to anti Trump bias which destroyed reputation of most MSMs

    I don't remember anyone paying a blind bit of notice to what this blog posted. I'm just amazed that you're so gullible as to pass on this sort of patently false guff with a straight face. Have you considered that maybe most people rate the ongoing credibility of the media a tad higher than your fake news kiddies in Moldova or wherever, and that you're the dupe in this scheme?


  • #8831
    Count Dooku
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,419 ✭✭✭Count Dooku


    alastair wrote: »
    I don't remember anyone paying a blind bit of notice to what this blog posted. I'm just amazed that you're so gullible as to pass on this sort of patently false guff with a straight face. Have you considered that maybe most people rate the ongoing credibility of the media a tad higher than your fake news kiddies in Moldova or wherever, and that you're the dupe in this scheme?

    Credibility of MSM after feeding people by fake stories, based on rigged polls, about imminent Hillary win is the best joke what I heard today
    https://twitter.com/huffingtonpost/status/795663593689808896


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  • #8832
    Hank Scorpio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭Hank Scorpio


    Count Dooku wrote: »
    Credibility of MSM after feeding people by fake stories, based on rigged polls, about imminent Hillary win is the best joke what I heard today
    https://twitter.com/huffingtonpost/status/795663593689808896

    Wikileaks is fake and illegal to read according to CNN.

    The MSM took a huge hit during the election process, and rightly so. I found it comical lately they were so upset that Trump didn't inform them he was going to dinner with his family.


  • #8833
    aloyisious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,283 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Hank Scorpio wrote: »
    Wikileaks is fake and illegal to read according to CNN.

    The MSM took a huge hit during the election process, and rightly so. I found it comical lately they were so upset that Trump didn't inform them he was going to dinner with his family.

    Wiki itself apparently a generic term according to this link and using it doesn't actually affix any status to a source using it. It's all in the eye of the beholder, same as with any media source used to argue a point.

    https://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=11&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwixyYKgk7jQAhVHK8AKHZjTC3gQFghOMAo&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FWikipedia%3AWikiLeaks_is_not_part_of_Wikipedia&usg=AFQjCNGEKWQFc5WSDyF4VoSv2WD3HFNcQA


  • #8834
    ECO_Mental
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,718 ✭✭✭ECO_Mental


    Hank Scorpio wrote: »
    Wikileaks is fake and illegal to read according to CNN.

    The MSM took a huge hit during the election process, and rightly so. I found it comical lately they were so upset that Trump didn't inform them he was going to dinner with his family.

    What the Corrupt and Fraud Trump needs to realise is that he is no longer a private citizen anymore and can't treat the American public with the contempt he treated everybody with when he was running. He is now the POTUS and is there at the pleasure of the citizens of the USA to serve them NOT himself.

    It's a worry that he is sounding out that he will not have the press Pool reporting on him or severely restrict them. What had he got to hide? Is he afraid that with 24hr coverage they will soon find out the extent of his bluffing!

    6.1kWp south facing, South of Cork City



  • #8835
    KingBrian2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,360 ✭✭✭KingBrian2


    Brian? wrote: »
    The Saudis and Assad are both the devil we know.


    One important distinction. If your a women, atheist or disagree with the gvt your more likely to be executed in Saudi Arabia and not in Syria. In Syria voicing dissent was a lot more possible than Saudi Arabia in which the protestors were brutally crackdown on and we never hear the stories of the Arabs detained by the Saudi King.


  • #8836
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,775 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    Brian? wrote: »
    The Saudis and Assad are both the devil we know.

    ..and one of the devils has given us 9/11 and funded international terrorism with attacks on transport, attacks in European cities. The people they fund also bombed a school in Syria.
    The other devil is Assad.

    But the lesser devil is whom the west wants removed...because they are scared of the bigger devil whom they want for oil and their wealth.


  • #8837
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,775 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    KingBrian2 wrote: »
    One important distinction. If your a women, atheist or disagree with the gvt your more likely to be executed in Saudi Arabia and not in Syria. In Syria voicing dissent was a lot more possible than Saudi Arabia in which the protestors were brutally crackdown on and we never hear the stories of the Arabs detained by the Saudi King.

    Not to mention the slavery in Gulf states.
    "Earlier this year, I got in touch with a New Delhi-based agent, Muneer Ahmed, who took Rs 1 lakh from me to help me get a good job in the automobile sector in Saudi Arabia. The agents put me on a plane to Riyadh on a tourist visa, saying I would get a work visa after staying there for three months. I reached Riyadh on May 15 and found that I had been sold as a slave," he said, adding that all his documents were taken away from him.

    According to Biswas, he was taken to a camel farm and consigned to slaving for his Saudi master or 'kafeel'. He was made to cut grass and feed camels. He didn't get paid and was only given a measly meal in the evening. "My master, Naief Bookme, abused me sexually," he added. Unable to bear the torture, Biswas tried to escape, but was caught. "On the night of July 16, I made my first attempt to flee. But I was caught by the kafeel's men. When I woke up, I found him trying to push a needle into my vein. I tried to resist but was beaten up — I have injuries all over my body," Jayanta said.

    He finally managed to escape and sought help from the Indian Embassy in Riyadh and narrated his ordeal to Hifizul Rahman, second secretary (political information and culture) at the mission, which sent him to an NGO in the Saudi capital. Infuriated over the escape, Bookme lodged a police complaint accusing him of stealing 10,000 Riyals. Biswas was arrested on August 9.

    "From the prison, he got in touch with us. We contacted the agents and paid them Rs 35,000 for my brother's release," Jayanta's sister Gouri said.

    But his ordeal was not over. "I was taken to another farm owned by my agent's brother and was again forced to work as a labourer," Biswas said.

    According to sources, his family finally contacted external affairs minister Sushma Swaraj, who secured his release.

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/kolkata/Saudi-slavery-horror-ends-for-engg-graduate/articleshow/55464317.cms

    It is surprising how many apologists there are for Saudi Arabia despite them being so incompatible with our way of life.

    I remember Kathryn Thomas doing her holiday programs and on one of them she went to Syria and recommended it, surprisingly she never went to Saudi Arabia...


  • #8838
    marienbad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭marienbad


    RobertKK wrote: »
    It is surprising how many apologists there are for Saudi Arabia despite them being so incompatible with our way of life.


    I don't see any apologists for Saudi Arabia


  • #8839
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Count Dooku wrote: »
    Credibility of MSM after feeding people by fake stories, based on rigged polls, about imminent Hillary win is the best joke what I heard today
    https://twitter.com/huffingtonpost/status/795663593689808896

    Given that the joke's on you, for repeatedly buying into fake news memes, I wouldn't treat that as a convincing argument of anything. Look to your own credibility - it's wanting.


  • #8840
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Hank Scorpio wrote: »
    Wikileaks is fake and illegal to read according to CNN.

    The MSM took a huge hit during the election process, and rightly so. I found it comical lately they were so upset that Trump didn't inform them he was going to dinner with his family.

    The media took no hit whatsoever. Ratings are up, and advertising is up, on account of the interest in the campaign.

    CNN said that the stolen Wikileaks material was illegal, which they are, but Imdon't recall any claim that they were fake. Source for this?


  • #8841
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    RobertKK wrote: »
    ..and one of the devils has given us 9/11 and funded international terrorism with attacks on transport, attacks in European cities. The people they fund also bombed a school in Syria.
    The other devil is Assad.

    No evidence that Saudi Arabia (as opposed to Saudi citizens) was responsible for 9/11, so repeating that claim really needs some sort of supporting links. Meanwhile there's ample evidence of the Assad regime (not some Syrian citizens mind, but the regime) sponsoring and initiating international terrorism over many years, including European attacks. Assad has bombed and gassed civilian targets repeatedly in Syria.


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  • #8842
    InTheTrees
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,900 ✭✭✭InTheTrees


    RobertKK wrote: »
    It is surprising how many apologists there are for Saudi Arabia despite them being so incompatible with our way of life.

    I dont think i've ready any posts apologising for saudi arabia.

    The Assad family in Syria have been massacring their own people for almost fifty years, that builds up resentment in the populace.

    There's even a wiki on Syrian Massacres, in case you thought the Assad family were pleasant people:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_Syria


  • #8843
    BoatMad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,506 ✭✭✭✭BoatMad


    InTheTrees wrote: »
    I dont think i've ready any posts apologising for saudi arabia.

    The Assad family in Syria have been massacring their own people for almost fifty years, that builds up resentment in the populace.

    There's even a wiki on Syrian Massacres, in case you thought the Assad family were pleasant people:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_Syria

    the US attempted to destabilise Syria , because under assad, Syria is an old style Soviet client state ,

    then they realised that Putin was right and about faced on the very "rebels" they were covertly supplying arms and bombed them instead

    Assad is not only malevolent force in that area !!!


  • #8844
    KingBrian2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,360 ✭✭✭KingBrian2


    InTheTrees wrote: »
    I dont think i've ready any posts apologising for saudi arabia.

    The Assad family in Syria have been massacring their own people for almost fifty years, that builds up resentment in the populace.

    There's even a wiki on Syrian Massacres, in case you thought the Assad family were pleasant people:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_Syria

    You want reliable facts about Syria don't go to the sectarian organizations that promote Jihad. People on here promoting the Muslim Brotherhood which assassinated President Sadat.


  • #8845
    26000 Elephants
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,152 ✭✭✭26000 Elephants


    alastair wrote: »
    No evidence that Saudi Arabia (as opposed to Saudi citizens) was responsible for 9/11, so repeating that claim really needs some sort of supporting links. Meanwhile there's ample evidence of the Assad regime (not some Syrian citizens mind, but the regime) sponsoring and initiating international terrorism over many years, including European attacks. Assad has bombed and gassed civilian targets repeatedly in Syria.

    Can you link me some of the European attacks you credit to Assad?

    As for Saudi Arabia, they have been sending fundamentalist clerics to Pakistan for years, educating a whole generation of Afghan refugees. The ruling house of Saud is quite happy to let these nut jobs do their thing all over the middle east, as long as they are kept in power. A bit like Assad really. Except Assad is a secularist.

    Its unfair to characterize a suspicion of Saudi motives ( at a state level) as being CT.


  • #8846
    InTheTrees
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,900 ✭✭✭InTheTrees


    BoatMad wrote: »
    the US attempted to destabilise Syria , because under assad, Syria is an old style Soviet client state ,

    Or was it the Israeli's? Syria has been an enemy since Israel was founded.

    It doesnt excuse assad's wholesale murder of his own people for fifty years.


  • #8847
    26000 Elephants
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,152 ✭✭✭26000 Elephants


    InTheTrees wrote: »
    Or was it the Israeli's? Syria has been an enemy since Israel was founded.

    It doesnt excuse assad's wholesale murder of his own people for fifty years.

    Yeah, because wholesale murder by ISIS is so much more democratic.


  • #8848
    InTheTrees
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,900 ✭✭✭InTheTrees


    26000 Elephants wrote: »
    Yeah, because wholesale murder by ISIS is so much more democratic.

    You'd think these people would learn right?

    Massacre your support base and you dont endear yourself to your people.


  • #8849
    KingBrian2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,360 ✭✭✭KingBrian2


    InTheTrees wrote: »
    You'd think these people would learn right?

    Massacre your support base and you dont endear yourself to your people.

    Just let the Saudi's poison the minds of their young and send them out into the world to launch attacks on Damascus, New York, Istanbul, Paris & Brussels.


  • #8850
    InTheTrees
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,900 ✭✭✭InTheTrees


    KingBrian2 wrote: »
    Just let the Saudi's poison the minds of their young and send them out into the world to launch attacks on Damascus, New York, Istanbul, Paris & Brussels.

    They're already doing that as we've experienced.


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  • #8851
    KingBrian2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,360 ✭✭✭KingBrian2


    Don't mean to be provocative but do we have a timeline on when President elect Trump will build the wall only the problem there is remarkable similar with the cartels.


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