Mothers bringing boys into the ladies toilets

Barely There · 24-07-2014 3:27pm

Armelodie wrote: »

Couldn't he equally bring her to the Ladies if she asked...after all she is a girl?

I think it's arbitrary if you go where the child wants to go, or, you go where you usually go.

Bringing a 4 year old girl into the mens toilets if you're a man is completly different from the same man bringing the kid into the womens toilets.

dub_skav · 24-07-2014 3:31pm

Barely There wrote: »

Bringing a 4 year old girl into the mens toilets if you're a man is completly different from the same man bringing the kid into the womens toilets.

Do elaborate, what would be the problem?

CIARAN_BOYLE · 24-07-2014 3:37pm

dub_skav wrote: »

Do elaborate, what would be the problem?

The men use urinals wheras women do their business in cubicles.

Barely There · 24-07-2014 3:47pm

dub_skav wrote: »

Do elaborate, what would be the problem?

I'd imagine that some women wouldn't be happy with a random guy walking into the ladies' toilets (accompanied by a kid or not) - what do you think?

Wile E. Coyote · 24-07-2014 3:52pm

dub_skav wrote: »

Do elaborate, what would be the problem?

It's a totally different scenario. The ladies toilets are private with seperate cubicles, the most you're likely to see is a woman washing her hands.

eviltwin · 24-07-2014 5:02pm

I suppose we have been conditioned to see a room with the male/female icon on the door as a sacred space. I don't see the issue, personally I have seen men use the ladies because the men's was closed or just plain filthy. I don't have a problem with that. If I was stuck I'd love to do the same but its totally different when its a male loo for obvious reasons.

Maximus Alexander · 24-07-2014 5:08pm

eviltwin wrote: »

I suppose we have been conditioned to see a room with the male/female icon on the door as a sacred space. I don't see the issue, personally I have seen men use the ladies because the men's was closed or just plain filthy. I don't have a problem with that. If I was stuck I'd love to do the same but its totally different when its a male loo for obvious reasons.

That reminds me of one fine evening in Bison Bar, where betwixt my brisket and my second whiskey sour I discovered that I had a need to relieve myself.

On descending the stairs I noticed that the gents' was closed and there was a paper printout with an arrow pointing to the ladies' which read "UNISEX TOILET". So off I went to the cubicle and released my previous whiskey sour, before heading back out to wash my hands where a young lady had appeared and, looking aghast exclaimed "You know this is the ladies!?"

She wasn't angry, or particularly unpleasant about it, but it was as though it were the strangest thing she had ever witnessed to see a gentleman in the same bathroom as her.

We're just two people washing our hands beside eachother love, it'll be okay.

farmchoice · 24-07-2014 5:23pm

Barely There wrote: »

Bringing a 4 year old girl into the mens toilets if you're a man is completly different from the same man bringing the kid into the womens toilets.

i agree why would a man go into the woman's toilets I should think the female patrons would get a bit of a shock to come out of a cubicle and find a grown man standing there.

But are people here saying it's wrong for a man to bring his young daughter into the men's toilets so as to go into cubicle and use the facilities. WHY?

What the hell do people think goes on in Men's toilets. I have been in thousands of them I should think and I seriously have never seen anything untoward. When you are using a urinal you are standing facing the wall. The person behind you can't see anything.

whupdedo · 24-07-2014 5:57pm

twowheelsonly wrote: »

If there's another disabled person using the toilets then that's just bad luck and it does happen occasionally I'm sure.

Chances are that if there's a disabled toilet then there's regular toilets in close proximity so why don't you just use them ?
Is it laziness, selfishness, or some form of self importance on your behalf ?

I seldom use them, but in motorway service stations the toilets can be rank enough, so if I get the opportunity ill use them, i don't think I'm more important that anyone else, but is a disabled person more important than me?, iff the toilet is available ill use it, I've never been met outside the door of 1 with a disapproving look from somebody in a wheelchair either

byhookorbycrook · 24-07-2014 9:25pm

whupdedo wrote: »

And what happens if someone with a disability is inside in the toilet before you, who do you blame then, do you write to management to complain about the lack of facilities,

It's a disabled equipped toilet, not a toilet specifically for the for the disabled

Says who?

byhookorbycrook · 24-07-2014 9:29pm

whupdedo wrote: »

I seldom use them, but in motorway service stations the toilets can be rank enough, so if I get the opportunity ill use them, i don't think I'm more important that anyone else, but is a disabled person more important than me?, iff the toilet is available ill use it, I've never been met outside the door of 1 with a disapproving look from somebody in a wheelchair either

In this case, yes, many can ONLY use the disabled toilet , not the others. You can use the others, they can't.

And not all disabled people use wheelchairs, by the way, but do please continue to try and justify your self-importance.

whupdedo · 24-07-2014 9:54pm

byhookrbycrook wrote: »

In this case, yes, many can ONLY use the disabled toilet , not the others. You can use the others, they can't.

And not all disabled people use wheelchairs, by the way, but do please continue to try and justify your self-importance.

But as I said. what would happen if some other disabled person was in the toilet, woe betide somebody with a disability should wait, you want all the facilities, but take care would anybody make you wait to use them

I'm well aware people with disabilities aren't always in wheelchairs, my self importance is about average, whereas yours is clearly off the scale

diveout · 24-07-2014 11:24pm

Wile E. Coyote wrote: »

It's a totally different scenario. The ladies toilets are private with seperate cubicles, the most you're likely to see is a woman washing her hands.

And yet.... it's the exposure in the men's bathroom...so it's ok to expose ten year old boys to them but not girls?

Why?

evolving_doors · 25-07-2014 12:50am

Das Kitty wrote: »

He's more comfortable going to the gents himself. In my experience a four year old doesn't give a fig which one.

Mmm, we'll you havn't experienced my 4 year old.
But in saying that I was on the way to the mens with her (as I'm used to going to the gents myself too) and she said that she wanted to use the ladies. Honestly I didn;t give it a seconds thought (maybe a millisecond about discommoding some lady of a nervous disposition) and hey, i've been around the world where people defficate in the streets and just carry on... so on the grand scale of things if she wants to go then she wants to go, both toilets had cubicles regardless and if she went into the mens anyhow all she would have seen is maybe someones back if they were using a urinal.

Chocolate fiend · 25-07-2014 1:30am

diveout wrote: »

And yet.... it's the exposure in the men's bathroom...so it's ok to expose ten year old boys to them but not girls?

Why?

Probably because 10 year old boys have a penis of their own, but, some little girls may never have seen one, I don't know but, that is a guess.

Barely There · 25-07-2014 7:57am

whupdedo wrote: »

I seldom use them, but in motorway service stations the toilets can be rank enough, so if I get the opportunity ill use them, i don't think I'm more important that anyone else, but is a disabled person more important than me?, iff the toilet is available ill use it, I've never been met outside the door of 1 with a disapproving look from somebody in a wheelchair either

Your attitude of self-entitlement is truly breath-taking.

diveout · 25-07-2014 8:02am

Chocolate fiend wrote: »

Probably because 10 year old boys have a penis of their own, but, some little girls may never have seen one, I don't know but, that is a guess.

And?

Seriously,if you expose yourself to a child regardless of gender, that will get you in trouble.

This whole issue is much ado about nothing.

Maximus Alexander · 25-07-2014 9:20am

Chocolate fiend wrote: »

Probably because 10 year old boys have a penis of their own, but, some little girls may never have seen one, I don't know but, that is a guess.

In my 28 years I've never seen a penis in a public toilet.

Bar my own, naturally.

Lisha · 25-07-2014 10:35am

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

In my 28 years I've never seen a penis in a public toilet.

Bar my own, naturally.

It might be time for you to start using the Men's toilets now. ..

evolving_doors · 25-07-2014 10:37am

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

In my 28 years I've never seen a penis in a public toilet.

Bar my own, naturally.

maybe the impression some ladies have of what goes on in the mens is something like this...(metaphalically speaking that is):

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goz83 · 28-07-2014 2:59am

This thread is both funny and pathetic. A 10 year old should need no assistance (unless disabled) going to the loo.

Some of the scenarios posted are hilarious and creepy. To the lady sussing out men going in/out of the gents, you need to cop on and get a life. I would be very p!ssed off if i seen someone eyeing up every male going into the male toilets, scoring his pervyness on her weirdometer.

If a man brings his young daughter into the ladies, it's no big deal. At worst, he has to listen to some auldwan farting on the loo. The private stuff is behind a closed door.

If a lady brings her son into the gents, it is a big deal. I might have my jiggly bit in my hand at the time and I think it would be inappropriate for a lady to enter the gents loo, because we have urinals, that we use more often than cubicles.

I think using the disabled loo as an able bodied person is very inconsiderate, but i do think that baby changing facilities should be separate, or in the disabled toilets, rather than just in the ladies, which is very sexist and can be most inconvenient.

Sligo1 · 28-07-2014 8:17am

I was in a shopping centre yesterday and went to go to the loo. The disabled ones nearby had the disabled sign on the door along with another sign for baby changing facilities...

CrazyRabbit · 28-07-2014 8:52am

Sligo1 wrote: »

I was in a shopping centre yesterday and went to go to the loo. The disabled ones nearby had the disabled sign on the door along with another sign for baby changing facilities...

Well technically, babies can't walk and so could be considered disabled

28-07-2014 9:28am

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

If anything having kids running around the place would be more likely to make me feel uncomfortable when I'm stood there with my lad in my hand. :eek:

Why? They certainly wont give a toss - or likely even notice. Why would it bother you if it would not bother them?

I really am not seeing a difference here between a woman bringing her son into her one - and a man bringing his daugther into his one. My daugther is nearly 4. Shes comes in with me all the time when she needs to.

Chocolate fiend wrote: »

Probably because 10 year old boys have a penis of their own, but, some little girls may never have seen one, I don't know but, that is a guess.

And the relevance of this is......... forthcoming?

Boskowski · 28-07-2014 9:41am

Media has a lot to answer for. For the sake of lurid headlines (and therefore profits) they're fvcking with the heads of a whole generation of parents and ultimately their kids, too. This thread really paints a sorry picture of where our society is heading, cos lets face it this is only going to get worse.

Maximus Alexander · 28-07-2014 9:45am

Deleted User wrote: »

Why? They certainly wont give a toss - or likely even notice. Why would it bother you if it would not bother them?

Perhaps I'm a lunatic.

evolving_doors · 28-07-2014 10:30am

goz83 wrote: »

This thread is both funny and pathetic. A 10 year old should need no assistance (unless disabled) going to the loo.

Some of the scenarios posted are hilarious and creepy. To the lady sussing out men going in/out of the gents, you need to cop on and get a life. I would be very p!ssed off if i seen someone eyeing up every male going into the male toilets, scoring his pervyness on her weirdometer.

If a man brings his young daughter into the ladies, it's no big deal. At worst, he has to listen to some auldwan farting on the loo. The private stuff is behind a closed door.

If a lady brings her son into the gents, it is a big deal. I might have my jiggly bit in my hand at the time and I think it would beinappropriate for a lady to enter the gents loo, because we have urinals, that we use more often than cubicles.

I think using the disabled loo as an able bodied person is very inconsiderate, but i do think that baby changing facilities should be separate, or in the disabled toilets, rather than just in the ladies, which is very sexist and can be most inconvenient.

Jeez man your jiggly bits should be pointing in one direction only, then when you finish you do a twink on it . It sounds like when you go for a whizz in the jax your flashing it all round the place...remember .. one direction for the point!

Moralising about 10 being too old is a waste of time as you just have to accept that all families are different. You might be surprised to find out how late you were developing some skills yerself if you were to ask yer ma...(obviously you werent taught how to aim properly yet with yer jiggly bits all over the shop... that 10 year probably has more focus than yourself).

As regards baby changing facilities, lets face it folks we're not in the utopian nordic countries, this is sexist stingy Ireland..as Dave McSavage would put it "whaa? baby changin facilities in the mens jacks, what do you think we are? quaaaares?"

As I press Unfollow to flush this away
this is all I've left to say,
Be it mens or ladies (disabled... maybe no),
If you gotta go...
...you just gotta go.

28-07-2014 10:35am

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

Perhaps I'm a lunatic.

Perhaps :P. But it is difficult to diagnose when we only have your conclusions - not the reasoning that led to them :P.

As for me I think the OP actually has all the information required. The child itself is expressing discomfort at this. What more do you need to know as a signal that this child is ready to proceed to the next levels of training in life?

goz83 · 28-07-2014 5:11pm

Armelodie wrote: »

Jeez man your jiggly bits should be pointing in one direction only, then when you finish you do a twink on it . It sounds like when you go for a whizz in the jax your flashing it all round the place...remember .. one direction for the point!

Well, I didn't wanna be braggin! :P

But seriously, I would personally have no issue with a lady entering them gents loo with her child (in fact, i would feel sorry for her considering the stink in some of them). But, I know plenty of men would. Stage fright and all that :pac:

Cabaal · 29-07-2014 8:27am

whupdedo wrote: »

Yes but that doesn't sit well with all the morons who think theirs a paedophile around every corner and over protective mothers who see every man as a potential child rapist, are they expecting men to be walking around with erections waiting for the opportunity to pounce on little Johnny while he uses the urinal in dunnes for the first time, these people need to get a grip

The "pedo around the corner" mindset is very annoying, if these people look at the stats they'd see in the majority of cases its a person the child knows...a father, uncle, mother, sibling, priest, teacher etc.

Yes sometimes it can be strangers, but its much more likely to be somebody the kid already knows. Why? Because kids have cop on enough to walk away from strangers.....they always have!

Mothers/fathers that want to follow their 10 year olds around like this give their kids not credit, if you protect a child on this level they will never learn the life skills they need.

Cabaal · 29-07-2014 8:32am

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

The men use urinals wheras women do their business in cubicles.

Yeah but unless you're standing right beside them I'd imagine you won't see anything unless you really really try look. In all the years I've used men's toilets I've never seen a penis visible.

Just because men use urinals doesn't mean they walk around with their pants down or something. 99.9% of men zip up while still facing the wall.

There is nothing to see.
:rolleyes:

Zulu · 29-07-2014 9:07am

Cabaal wrote: »

The "pedo around the corner" mindset is very annoying, if these people look at the stats they'd see in the majority of cases its a person the child knows...a father, uncle, mother, sibling, priest, teacher etc..

Indeed. The sad reality of it is: a child walking into a toilet is most likely going to be abused by the guardian walking in with them and not a stranger in there.

Zulu · 29-07-2014 9:09am

...and that the wrong emoticon if there ever was one.

diveout · 29-07-2014 9:17am

Zulu wrote: »

Indeed. The sad reality of it is: a child walking into a toilet is most likely going to be abused by the guardian walking in with them and not a stranger in there.

Don't know. A girl I went to school with was raped in the school girls bathroom , in the middle of the day, when she took a break from class to go to the bathroom.

We were at that very popular Lolita pre pubescent stage.

A strange man managed to get into the school and hid in the girls bathroom.

Zulu · 29-07-2014 9:25am

diveout wrote: »

Don't know. A girl I went to school with....

I'm only saying how the stats play out.
Girls getting raped by strangers in school toilets is a very infrequent event. Sadly getting raped by a family member in the home is far more frequent.

FizzleSticks · 29-07-2014 9:30am

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diveout · 29-07-2014 9:37am

Zulu wrote: »

I'm only saying how the stats play out.
Girls getting raped by strangers in school toilets is a very infrequent event. Sadly getting raped by a family member in the home is far more frequent.

Absolutely. But that underlines more the capacity for people's denial when there is trust built [family, friends and authority] and no denial when it comes to strangers in bathrooms.

Thing is about the stats- are those American by any chance? They would consider any exposure of a genital area to a child a sex offence. And that would include public urination where a child was 400 yards or less from you, even if the child didn't see you.

And no doubt all of getting your boobs grabbed in school or bra snapping around pubescence would also count as a sex offence. There are contexts to those stats that I wonder about.

Maximus Alexander · 29-07-2014 9:45am

diveout wrote: »

Absolutely. But that underlines more the capacity for people's denial when there is trust built [family, friends and authority] and no denial when it comes to strangers in bathrooms.

Thing is about the stats- are those American by any chance? They would consider any exposure of a genital area to a child a sex offence. And that would include public urination where a child was 400 yards or less from you, even if the child didn't see you.

And no doubt all of getting your boobs grabbed in school or bra snapping around pubescence would also count as a sex offence. There are contexts to those stats that I wonder about.

They're stats from a rape crisis center. I highly doubt they're trivialising the issue by including stats on bra snapping.

Mothers bringing boys into the ladies toilets

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