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Tour de France betting **Please use spoiler tags before midnight**

  • 02-07-2015 10:28am
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,691 ✭✭✭


    24 hour drug testing, cobbles, thunder and lightening expected, the first week is bound to throw up a few surprises. Here were some bets I made over the past month in advance of the start

    Green Jersey - John Degenkolb 33/1 (now 12/1)
    With Kittel's form all over the place, Degs was always overpriced to lead the team. Reports are that he's gunning for stages 4 and 5 and will take it from there

    White Jersey - Thibaut Pinot 6/1
    Quintana will take some stopping if he gets to Week 2 and 3 without incident but cobbles and crosswinds might scupper chances earlydoors. Pinot improves year on year and has taken two major Queen stages in the two feeder races in May and June against the best riders.

    Polka Dot Jersey - Romian Bardet 33/1
    He can climb, he's got attacking verve and he looks in better shape than last year. He was unlucky not to podium in the Dauphine. He looks like a Virenque in waiting. So many climbs this year, he should be thereabouts

    Yellow Jersey - Van Garderen 40/1; Pinot 33/1
    TJ is ultra consistent on the big climbs this year, something he was lacking before, very unlucky to get done by Froome in the Dauphine, it's hard to see why he's 40/1 when Froome is 2/1. I don't think he can win in a straight shoot out between the big boys but he comes here in form and fresh with no crashes (he had broken bones only 8 weeks before last year's Tour)
    Pinot looks set to improve again and the more mountains the better. Can't see him outside Top 5 and with luck he'll pick up a few stragglers in Week 3

    Stage 1 - Michal Kwiatkowski 33/1 (now 16/1)
    Just because he hasn't done one in a while doesn't mean he cannot prologue. Kwiatkowski has one of the biggest engines on flat course. He's beaten Martin and Dumoulin over similiar length and terrain so I've no idea why he's this price. He's the likeliest to move into Yellow after Stage 3 Mur du Huy (Top 5 in 2 of last 3 years)

    Kwiatkowski for Yellow Anytime 7/2 Paddy Power - A good prologue on Stage 1, a good climb up the Mur on Stage 3 and a repeat of his cobbles effort last year on Stage 4 and Kwiatkowski should be sniffing in or around the Yellow Jersey in the first week.

    MatchBet
    Valverde 15/8 to beat Purito Rodriguez - in supporting Quintana (and I use that term lightly) Valverde shoudl be thereabouts going into Week 3. Rodrgiuez needs to come on a bit more although he looked good in April but awful in the Dauphine. Thought the price was too big

    TOP 20 Bet - Dan Martin 4/6 - I think if Dan stays safe this is a shoo in. One of my bigger bets this year. He's 4/1 to finish TOP 10 which is touch and go for me. I can name 7 or 8 that I think will be better than him so he's vying for between 9th and 15th position with a standardly consistent Tour.

    Any other thoughts folks ?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 430 ✭✭bren_mc


    where did you see betting on the top 20 finish?

    I was thinking about Steven Kruijswijk for a top 10. He's 14/1 on pp. Might opt for a top 20 instead if the odds looked decent.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,691 ✭✭✭Taxuser1


    bren_mc wrote: »
    where did you see betting on the top 20 finish?

    I was thinking about Steven Kruijswijk for a top 10. He's 14/1 on pp. Might opt for a top 20 instead if the odds looked decent.


    http://www.paddypower.com/bet/cycling/tour-de-france-specials?ev_oc_grp_ids=276524

    Wouldn't be flying into the Dutch lad. He had a good Giro but he's not one to repeat based on past showing here. i'd have him finishing behind Dan


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 322 ✭✭Rua_ri


    Guy at work here has Sam Bennett to win stage 2, he says he has him at 66/1. He also said he was at 50/1 yesterday.

    I just checked PP and he is now at 25/1.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,691 ✭✭✭Taxuser1


    I don't see it happening for Bennett. Sick for the past few weeks and that Stage 2 finish is 4 kilometres of straight windswept road onto the island. If they are altogether, and that's far from a definite as the weather is forecasted to be changeable on Sunday with thunder storms, there is the likely Netherland's cross winds coming from the west, team trains of Lotto and Etixx should do their stuff to pit Greipel v Cav with Kristoff/Sagan most likely to round out the Top 3. Pure power finish not Sam's finish at all


  • Registered Users Posts: 88 ✭✭youwhoglue


    Went for a Specialized victory.
    And....Majka to win polka dot. :o


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,691 ✭✭✭Taxuser1


    my second choice for KOM !


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,744 ✭✭✭diomed


    OP what does 24 hour drug testing mean?
    In 2006 Floyd Landis was tested but the drug result was announced a few days after Paris. I missed an €11k payout on Oscar Pereiro Sio.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,526 ✭✭✭✭Darkglasses


    Rua_ri wrote: »
    Guy at work here has Sam Bennett to win stage 2, he says he has him at 66/1. He also said he was at 50/1 yesterday.

    I just checked PP and he is now at 25/1.

    I got him at 66/1 and can already cash out for a 25% profit..Very tempted.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,691 ✭✭✭Taxuser1


    I got him at 66/1 and can already cash out for a 25% profit..Very tempted.

    do it ! stage has Cav from a long lead out written all over it.


  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 77,530 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    I got him at 66/1 and can already cash out for a 25% profit..Very tempted.
    Do a partial cash out - if they don's allow that, cash it all out and put your "profit" back on Sam - that way you have gained a free bet!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,526 ✭✭✭✭Darkglasses


    Taxuser1 wrote: »
    do it ! stage has Cav from a long lead out written all over it.

    Actually the odds just shifted again, Bennett's gone from 25/1 to 40/1. Classic Paddy Power troll :rolleyes:


  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 77,530 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    Taxuser1 wrote: »
    do it ! stage has Cav from a long lead out written all over it.
    That may be why Sam is still at 40/1 - he's an outside chance, but a chance nonetheless (just look at what happened to Cav last year!)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,691 ✭✭✭Taxuser1


    the new Paddy Power trader is actually a shrewd enough judge of cycling. He's as good as the BET365 trader. 40s is about right


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,691 ✭✭✭Taxuser1


    of course, anything can happen but there'll be a lot of sentimental folk crying into their empty purses if relying on what might happen


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,526 ✭✭✭✭Darkglasses


    Taxuser1 wrote: »
    of course, anything can happen but there'll be a lot of sentimental folk crying into their empty purses if relying on what might happen

    I'm definitely guilty of betting in hope more than expectation a lot of the time, but I bet for fun rather than to make money exactly.

    With that in mind, here's my bets as it stands -

    Dan Martin top 20 - 8/15
    Rigerto Uran top 10 - 5/1
    Nico Roche top 10 - 50/1
    Hesjedal top 10 - 7/1
    Froome/Contador vs. The Field - 4/5
    Degenkolb to win Green jersey - 18/1
    Bardet to win White jersey - 7/1
    Bennett to win Stage 2 - 66/1 e/w
    Froome to win GC - 2/1


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,851 ✭✭✭ionadnapokot


    I see Dan Martin is only at 6/1 to win Stage 3.
    He seems to fancy his chances.
    http://velonews.competitor.com/2015/06/news/dan-martin-tours-climb-up-the-mur-a-chance-at-redemption_374901


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 956 ✭✭✭Arrow in the Knee


    What do you think of the match betting on Paddy Power during each stage of TDF?

    Stage 1
    eg: D.Martin 1/2 v S.Kruijswijk 6/4

    Also I can't see C.Froome not winning the Tdf.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,508 ✭✭✭✭retalivity


    Contador to win at 5.00
    Kristoff for the green at 4.33
    Rui Costa vs rolland at 2.1, can see rolland losing a heap of time and going after polka dot while Costa will stay in and around top 15


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,691 ✭✭✭Taxuser1


    What do you think of the match betting on Paddy Power during each stage of TDF?

    Stage 1
    eg: D.Martin 1/2 v S.Kruijswijk 6/4

    Also I can't see C.Froome not winning the Tdf.

    same Froome who slipped and slided through the first week

    rain is due next week according to Sepp Vanmarcke

    Winter is coming according to Jon Snow

    that match bet above is a hiding to nothing. neither can time trial effectively and 1/2 is no sort of bet on Dan Martin


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,568 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Contador for yellow at 4/1 and Cavendish for green at 5/1.

    Still trying to make my mind up about the polka for jersey, too many wild cards.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,526 ✭✭✭✭Darkglasses


    Brian? wrote: »
    Contador for yellow at 4/1 and Cavendish for green at 5/1.

    Still trying to make my mind up about the polka for jersey, too many wild cards.

    I would consider Arredondo but it's a really hard to predict market. Rodriguez at 13/1 looks good too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,691 ✭✭✭Taxuser1


    Brian? wrote: »
    Contador for yellow at 4/1 and Cavendish for green at 5/1.

    Still trying to make my mind up about the polka for jersey, too many wild cards.

    almost certain these two bets are dead already


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,526 ✭✭✭✭Darkglasses


    Taxuser1 wrote: »
    almost certain these two bets are dead already

    Cavendish to win green is still there on PP, gogo!

    What are the chances the PP traders are reading all Taxuser1's posts with close attention :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,691 ✭✭✭Taxuser1


    there's no mole after squeezing through yet :-)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,502 ✭✭✭spock.


    Nibali yellow 5/1
    Dekenkolb green 22/1
    Pinot white 9/2
    Tejay yellow e/w 40/1

    Also have a little accum of 6 match bets (inc Froome to beat Quintana and Nibali to beat Contador)


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,568 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    I would consider Arredondo but it's a really hard to predict market. Rodriguez at 13/1 looks good too.

    The wee man, Arrendondo, was at the front of my mind alright. Do Trek have anything else to ride for?

    Rodriguez is too dangerous on GC to get away in breaks and take points. That seems to be the only way to win the polka for jersey these days. Can't remember the last time someone I the top 10 won it.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,568 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Taxuser1 wrote: »
    almost certain these two bets are dead already

    Why so?

    With the change in the points system it suits the fast finishers with the sprint trains over the guys who pick up places and intermediate bonifications.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,526 ✭✭✭✭Darkglasses


    Brian? wrote: »
    Why so?

    With the change in the points system it suits the fast finishers with the sprint trains over the guys who pick up places and intermediate bonifications.

    I thought he meant that those odds are gone but I could be wrong..


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,568 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    I thought he meant that those odds are gone but I could be wrong..

    A "dead bet" means it's lost, in gambling parlance. Maybe he's not using gambling parlance I suppose.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,526 ✭✭✭✭Darkglasses


    Brian? wrote: »
    A "dead bet" means it's lost, in gambling parlance. Maybe he's not using gambling parlance I suppose.

    Oh ok, I'm not familiar with that. I thought it was a fairly decent bet, now that Etixx are backing him.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,526 ✭✭✭✭Darkglasses


    Brian? wrote: »
    The wee man, Arrendondo, was at the front of my mind alright. Do Trek have anything else to ride for?

    Rodriguez is too dangerous on GC to get away in breaks and take points. That seems to be the only way to win the polka for jersey these days. Can't remember the last time someone I the top 10 won it.

    2013, 2nd place Quintana won the polka dots.

    Nairo-QUintana-Mountain-Classification.jpg

    Also 2011, 5th place Samuel Sanchez won the polka dots.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,568 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    2013, 2nd place Quintana won the polka dots.

    Nairo-QUintana-Mountain-Classification.jpg

    Also 2011, 5th place Samuel Sanchez won the polka dots.

    Clearly my memory isn't up to much!

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,691 ✭✭✭Taxuser1


    Brian? wrote: »
    Why so?

    With the change in the points system it suits the fast finishers with the sprint trains over the guys who pick up places and intermediate bonifications.

    Cav will be lucky to take 2/3 stages in this year's Tour but his real quest is passing the stage win records of Hinault and Mercxk. For that reason, he's unlikely to chase intermediate sprint stages and there are too many stages outside his capabilities once again that can be taken by the others. No doubt he's quick and probably the fastest here but thats wehre his Tour is going. 5/1 isn't half big enough

    Contador only had Evans and pout of sort Schlecks to beat when he last tried the Giro Tour double. Easily won the Giro without hiccup but failed miserably in the Tour. The Galibier where he lost it was cruel to watch.

    He waivered in the Giro last week but was safe at that stage. If he waivers in the last week here, he's going to have 3 or 4 top quality riders up his arse. I think its beyond him


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,691 ✭✭✭Taxuser1


    sorry forgot to add that there are 380 points available in the intermediates this year. 450 of the Green Jersey Points are available in the first week. Cav needs to win Stage 2 and 5 to stand any chance in my opinion. I think Sagan has points coming to him in 2, 3, 4 and 5. Degenkolb and Kristoff will challenge the sprints too but also look to stage 4 and 5 along the coast. Cav has it all to do


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 587 ✭✭✭L'Enfer du Nord


    What do you think of the match betting on Paddy Power during each stage of TDF?

    Stage 1
    eg: D.Martin 1/2 v S.Kruijswijk 6/4

    Also I can't see C.Froome not winning the Tdf.

    He's won one out six grand tours since 2011, circumstances may be fairly favourable for this tour. He's in form, injury free. But seemingly so are his three credible challengers. Team Sky actually don't have a great grand tour record either. I think both Nibali and Contador alone have won more. I can't decide between the top four on balance Contador at 4-1 looks like the best odds.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 956 ✭✭✭Arrow in the Knee


    He's won one out six grand tours since 2011, circumstances may be fairly favourable for this tour. He's in form, injury free. But seemingly so are his three credible challengers. Team Sky actually don't have a great grand tour record either. I think both Nibali and Contador alone have won more. I can't decide between the top four on balance Contador at 4-1 looks like the best odds.

    I agree but when Froome goes its like BeastMode (Marshawn Lynch NFL) he just seems unstoppable.

    Hopefully this TDF doesn't lose the main GC riders early on in the tour like last year.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,762 ✭✭✭✭Inquitus


    I'm definitely guilty of betting in hope more than expectation a lot of the time, but I bet for fun rather than to make money exactly.

    With that in mind, here's my bets as it stands -

    Dan Martin top 20 - 8/15
    Rigerto Uran top 10 - 5/1
    Nico Roche top 10 - 50/1
    Hesjedal top 10 - 7/1
    Froome/Contador vs. The Field - 4/5
    Degenkolb to win Green jersey - 18/1
    Bardet to win White jersey - 7/1
    Bennett to win Stage 2 - 66/1 e/w
    Froome to win GC - 2/1 No Value in this though

    If I had to critique it, the Nico bet is the worst of the lot, he'll be flat stage / medium mountain sky fodder, followed by Uran who didn't have it in a weak Giro field and will be cleaned up here in a Cav sprint train Etixx QS team. Much as I love Ryder again after the Giro he's outclassed here. Sagan needs to fall off for anyone else to win Green and then it would likely be Cav. Love to see Bennett win but a lack of Sprinters stages and in particular ones that suit him makes it doubtful he'll see anything better than a podium if lucky.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,338 ✭✭✭Lusk_Doyle


    No value in Dan at 8/15 either.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,526 ✭✭✭✭Darkglasses


    Inquitus wrote: »
    If I had to critique it, the Nico bet is the worst of the lot, he'll be flat stage / medium mountain sky fodder, followed by Uran who didn't have it in a weak Giro field and will be cleaned up here in a Cav sprint train Etixx QS team. Much as I love Ryder again after the Giro he's outclassed here. Sagan needs to fall off for anyone else to win Green and then it would likely be Cav. Love to see Bennett win but a lack of Sprinters stages and in particular ones that suit him makes it doubtful he'll see anything better than a podium if lucky.

    I agree about Nico and Ryder, those are both my smallest bets. Why are you ruling out Degenkolb at 18/1 though?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,795 ✭✭✭✭Pudsy33


    Degs is a good bet I think, he's the main man now and could figure in stage 4 as well as the lumpier stages.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,081 ✭✭✭GetWithIt


    Tony Martin 4/11 to place on stage 1.

    Considering he's evens to win, and each way on that market is 1/3 and only places top 2, that looks a mistake to me.

    Ordinarily I like putting a few bets on the Tour but every single market looks very open.

    Astana @3 on the team. Yates and Konig top 10 may have value but probably a wasted bet.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,218 ✭✭✭qwabercd


    Froome was enhanced to 5/2 on paddypower, probably a bit of value there but I don't really want to cheer him on so I decided against it. I was torn between contador and nibali, as I feel quintana is underpriced. Had a look at the bike of the winner and Specialize
    (Astana & Etixx Quickstep & Tinkoff Saxo) is 5/2 whereas Canyon (Katusha & Movistar) is 2/1. I would've priced it the other way around as I'd rather have Nibali & Contador as opposed to Quintana/valverde/Rodriguez as the latter 2 realistically don't have much of a chance. So I'm going to have a pop basically on the contador/nibali at 5/2. Happy enough with that price.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,795 ✭✭✭✭Pudsy33


    Anyone think 18/1 Garmindale for the team classification is huge? Martin, Ryder, and Talansky all capable of being in the top 15. I don't think Sky will have anyone near the top bar Froome.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,526 ✭✭✭✭Darkglasses


    Pudsy33 wrote: »
    Anyone think 18/1 Garmindale for the team classification is huge? Martin, Ryder, and Talansky all capable of being in the top 15. I don't think Sky will have anyone near the top bar Froome.

    That's a good call actually, I might add that to my list.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,762 ✭✭✭✭Inquitus


    I agree about Nico and Ryder, those are both my smallest bets. Why are you ruling out Degenkolb at 18/1 though?

    Cav's form in the UK Nationals looked really good, I was deeply impressed by his ride, think he's in super shape for the Tour, and if something befalls Sagan I think green is his to lose.


  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 77,530 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    Sky tend to have a couple of riders there or thereabouts. Clearly their main function is to support Froome, but I'm sure there will be a Plan B which may involve trying to keep Thomas (or Porte) somewhere near contention


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,526 ✭✭✭✭Darkglasses


    Inquitus wrote: »
    Cav's form in the UK Nationals looked really good, I was deeply impressed by his ride, think he's in super shape for the Tour, and if something befalls Sagan I think green is his to lose.

    Do you like Cav at 5/1 then?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,762 ✭✭✭✭Inquitus


    Do you like Cav at 5/1 then?

    I like Cav at 5/1 better than John or Alex, but I do think it's Sagan's to lose.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 587 ✭✭✭L'Enfer du Nord


    Beasty wrote: »
    Sky tend to have a couple of riders there or thereabouts. Clearly their main function is to support Froome, but I'm sure there will be a Plan B which may involve trying to keep Thomas (or Porte) somewhere near contention

    In the tour they tend to fail, or succeed too well in the plan B department.
    Fail 2013, 2014. B stronger than A in the mountains 2012, also Vuelta 2011.

    Sky get a lot more credit than their record in Grand tours deserves. Don't get me wrong Froome deserves to be favourite, but the team have messed up several grand tours. Most recently this years giro. Froome himself hasn't messed up other than last years crashes.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,568 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    In the tour they tend to fail, or succeed too well in the plan B department.
    Fail 2013, 2014. B stronger than A in the mountains 2012, also Vuelta 2011.

    Sky get a lot more credit than their record in Grand tours deserves. Don't get me wrong Froome deserves to be favourite, but the team have messed up several grand tours. Most recently this years giro. Froome himself hasn't messed up other than last years crashes.

    I agree completely. They're painted as some sort of unstoppable machine, but they've only won the 2012 and 2013 Tours since their foundation in 2010. Nibali and Contador have won more grand tours each in that same time frame.

    They either succeed spectacularly, or fail completely. Mainly because Porte has been their "plan B" for the last few years and he's simply not up to winning a 3 week race.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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