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    #62
    mandrake04
    Registered Users Posts: 4,435 ✭✭✭mandrake04


    jank wrote: »
    Precisely, there were other random passer by's on hand to help out these Muslim women from a racist gob****e. I think it proves that mainstream Australian society is not overtly racist than what you would like to think or portray in these posts.


    +1

    Heard this on the radio a few hours ago.

    http://webstore.2gb.com.s3.amazonaws.com/audio/ben-fordham---sydney-live/201410/07-are-aussies-racist-interview.mp3
    jank wrote: »

    Like what has the Aboriginal community have to do with Islamic extremism?

    Ach now he is either a one trick pony or has a soft spot for aboriginals, wonder if he had similar feelings for Travelers in Ireland?

    It often amuses me how Irish people jump on the Australian racist bandwagon but racism towards Irish Travelers/Gypsys is totally acceptable.

    Usually there is some begrudgment somewhere if your scratch deep enough.


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    #63
    catbear
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,092 ✭✭✭catbear


    The Aussie wrote: »
    What part of you do it don't you understand???
    Besides as stated before it's the reporting of the story where the questions lay, the Police would have issued a statement and the Journalist went with it from there.

    I've said before your links are poorly reported rubbish that you scour the internet for to suit your "all Australians are racist" agenda, must be a long search to find such poor reporting all the time...

    I see you have skimmed over Janks post, how unusual is it for you to ignore questions, I had to answer my own earlier on because you couldn't, are you going to try to answer that post?

    Calm the jets. You said the story had holes in it, I pointed out the police praise for those who intervened. No scouring the internet involved, just today's newsfeed within Australia.

    They just reported an incident that alledgedly was motivated by religion.


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    #64
    catbear
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,092 ✭✭✭catbear


    No scouring involved. Todays from within the greatest country in the world.
    But as she was making her away across the intersection, the driver of the car stuck his head out the window and yelled out a series of profanities and racist slurs.

    He then sped off as he yelled at her to “go home”.

    “This bewildered me initially as I am not a Muslim,” the woman said.

    “But then it dawned on me that the scarf was on my head and that this man was referring to me.”
    http://www.thecourier.com.au/story/2610667/racist-attack-on-ballarat-woman-using-scarf-to-keep-dry/?cs=62

    More heroics from "team america".


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    #65
    jank
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 13,018 ✭✭✭✭jank


    catbear wrote: »
    No scouring involved. Todays from within the greatest country in the world.


    http://www.thecourier.com.au/story/2610667/racist-attack-on-ballarat-woman-using-scarf-to-keep-dry/?cs=62

    More heroics from "team america".

    Catbear, do you have a point? Do you want to actually discuss this topic (whatever) that it is or do you just want to pontificate to the rest of us on how 'bad' Australia is by posting articles from the web detailing the antics from some fcukwits, as if it proves something?

    I will discuss this with you till the cows come home but I think you are more interested in using boards as a medium for your 'liberal-guilt' more than anything.


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    #66
    catbear
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,092 ✭✭✭catbear


    The police statement said Mr Burgess, James Turvey, and four other men saw what had happened and became concerned for the women's safety.
    As they approached the car they heard the man yell out "you Musi c---s". Police allege the man turned on the six friends and threatened to kill them. The man allegedly stole two of their mobile phones and ran off but was struck by a skateboard thrown by one of the friends. He later allegedly punched Mr Burgess.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/skaters-leap-to-aid-of-muslim-women-lecture-public-for-ignoring-abuse-20141008-10rr98.html#ixzz3FWD8kSN2

    The point of all this Jank is that being muslim doesn't make someone a threat. I share the opinion of the person who started this thread, I have muslim friends who are finding these times confronting and I am concerned for their personal safety here.

    They are as afraid of ISIS as the next person and some of them have more reason as they still have family and friends in that region.

    This PM is a cowardly vote hungry fearmonger with less character than the puppets out of "team america". Those guys who intervened in the attack on the muslim ladies are a greater affront to ISIS than Abbot could ever possibly be.

    We know that in a hysterical fear driven frenzy due process can be abandoned and just being from somewhere can get you locked up like the Guilford four and Birmingham six and that is the concern I'll carry for my friends in australia after I've left.


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    #67
    The Aussie
    Registered Users Posts: 2,440 ✭✭✭The Aussie


    catbear wrote: »
    This PM is a cowardly vote hungry fearmonger with less character than the puppets out of "team america".


    Why is he "cowardly"?

    I personally would call sitting back while millions died and call it an "emergency" cowardly myself...

    As for "vote hungry" he is a politician in case you don't know, find me one politician who is not vote hungry and I would have found a liar to converse with.

    And "character"??? Compared with who? A yellow suited goon who fleeced a country while driving it into the ground while winning massive money at the races?

    Do you even bother having a point anymore? Genuine question by the way.


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    #68
    Chiparus
    Registered Users Posts: 2,254 ✭✭✭Chiparus


    The politics of racism in Australia are interesting , Pauline Hanson gained approximately 15% of the popular support in the late 90s, Howard the pm at the time, and his sidekick Abbot, managed to get Hanson jailed . http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2003/s933534.htm

    The 15% of the vote were then mopped up by the liberal party with the MV tampa affair and the babies overboard( no one in Australia seemed to have any issue with the Australian Navy firing on a boat load of refugees, but were outraged when Reith said the parents threw their children overboard- which they had not.) This gained the 15% of the vote needed to get re- elected despite the introduction of the hugely unpopular GST.


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    #69
    The Aussie
    Registered Users Posts: 2,440 ✭✭✭The Aussie


    Chiparus wrote: »
    no one in Australia seemed to have any issue with the Australian Navy firing on a boat load of refugees.


    I was under the impression that the Australian Navy fired shots over the Bow of the MV Tampa which is standard Maritime practice, so saying that the Australian Navy fired on the MV Tampa is highly disingenuous, which also talking of standard Maritime practice the MV Tampa should have sailed for the nearest Port capable of handling such a vessel which was in Indonesia but that's neither here nor there.


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    #70
    jank
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 13,018 ✭✭✭✭jank


    The Aussie wrote: »
    I was under the impression that the Australian Navy fired shots over the Bow of the MV Tampa which is standard Maritime practice, so saying that the Australian Navy fired on the MV Tampa is highly disingenuous, which also talking of standard Maritime practice the MV Tampa should have sailed for the nearest Port capable of handling such a vessel which was in Indonesia but that's neither here nor there.

    You are correct, those allegations were never substantiated or proved. It however, does not mean that one cannot use them as a way to make whatever political point scoring agenda they want to employ.


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    #71
    jank
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 13,018 ✭✭✭✭jank


    catbear wrote: »
    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/skaters-leap-to-aid-of-muslim-women-lecture-public-for-ignoring-abuse-20141008-10rr98.html#ixzz3FWD8kSN2

    The point of all this Jank is that being muslim doesn't make someone a threat. I share the opinion of the person who started this thread, I have muslim friends who are finding these times confronting and I am concerned for their personal safety here.

    They are as afraid of ISIS as the next person and some of them have more reason as they still have family and friends in that region.

    This PM is a cowardly vote hungry fearmonger with less character than the puppets out of "team america". Those guys who intervened in the attack on the muslim ladies are a greater affront to ISIS than Abbot could ever possibly be.

    We know that in a hysterical fear driven frenzy due process can be abandoned and just being from somewhere can get you locked up like the Guilford four and Birmingham six and that is the concern I'll carry for my friends in australia after I've left.

    Yes, being a Muslim does not mean you are a threat and I have yet to hear the liberal government or Tony Abbott make any claim that there is an issue with all or every Muslim living in Australia, despite your attempts to imply as much.

    The PM is taking an active step into trying to help, by stoping and destroying ISIS. One could be cynical and fatalistic (how very Irish) and say it is purely a vote grabbing effort. It does however, show some bravery that Australia is trying to help in the fight agains arguably the most brutal regime or state on this earth. What are the alternatives may I ask? Tut tut with disapproval but ultimately do nothing as IS commits genocide against the Yazidis?

    France has committed resources and aircrafts, they are currently run by Socialists and we all know their history. Are going to also condemn them as 'vote' hungry and on 'team America'?

    See, its very easy to sit on the sidelines and be the keyboard warrior posting up random and unrelated 'factoids' to support some pseudo theory of yours than actually discussing the real problem, that of Islamofascism, IS and home grown terrorism in Australia.


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    #72
    Chiparus
    Registered Users Posts: 2,254 ✭✭✭Chiparus


    The Aussie wrote: »
    I was under the impression that the Australian Navy fired shots over the Bow of the MV Tampa which is standard Maritime practice, so saying that the Australian Navy fired on the MV Tampa is highly disingenuous, which also talking of standard Maritime practice the MV Tampa should have sailed for the nearest Port capable of handling such a vessel which was in Indonesia but that's neither here nor there.

    Where did I say they shot at the MV Tampa ?

    The MV tampa was asked by Australia to rescue a boat load of refugees and then bring them to the nearest port as per international law, the politicians got involved and illegally commandeered the ship using SAS soldiers.


    The brave australian Navy fired over the bow of a fishing boat full of refugees, the boat sank and pictures of the children in the water were used for political gain.

    Scare mongering and racism is used for political gain in Australia.


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    #73
    The Aussie
    Registered Users Posts: 2,440 ✭✭✭The Aussie


    Chiparus wrote: »
    Where did I say they shot at the MV Tampa ?

    Chiparus wrote: »
    no one in Australia seemed to have any issue with the Australian Navy firing on a boat load of refugees.

    The Australian Navy did not fire on any Ship, they fired over the bow of the Tampa, there were never any holes found on the Tampa from being fired upon, maybe you should stick with firing over the bow...
    Chiparus wrote: »
    The MV tampa was asked by Australia to rescue a boat load of refugees and then bring them to the nearest port as per international law.

    This is where it gets messy, the MV Tampa was supposed to head straight for the nearest Port capable of handling such a vessel, not the nearest port, in this case thats a big difference in the outcome.

    Chiparus wrote: »
    the politicians got involved and illegally commandeered the ship using SAS soldiers.

    If any foreign ship enters another countries Territorial Waters without permission thats normal practice, normally using trained Navel Personal for boarding, the deployment of the SAS was a cracking a nut with a sledgehammer exercise.
    Chiparus wrote: »
    The brave australian Navy fired over the bow of a fishing boat full of refugees, the boat sank and pictures of the children in the water were used for political gain.

    The Australian Navy was not at the scene of the rescue, they never fired over the bow of the stricken fishing vessel and the above quote is just a straight faced lie. I went and cancelled out the sad bit as well, that was just sad ;)

    Chiparus wrote: »

    Scare mongering and racism is used for political gain in Australia.

    And most of Europe, how do you think the Right is rising in Europe?
    That's Politics for you, if you don't like it vote against it, ain't democracy grand...



    Just a point of clarification, I'm not defending the whole MV Tampa affair by either side, but can we stick to facts about it and not fairytales, that would be great thanks.


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    #74
    Zambia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,333 ✭✭✭Zambia


    Mod - Remember this is a discussion forum.

    Top madra please refrain from that type of post.


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    #75
    top madra
    Registered Users Posts: 387 ✭✭top madra


    Zambia wrote: »
    Mod - Remember this is a discussion forum.

    Top madra please refrain from that type of post.


    Purely tongue in cheek, relax.


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    #76
    Zambia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,333 ✭✭✭Zambia


    top madra wrote: »
    Purely tongue in cheek, relax.

    Mate it added nothing , let it go


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    #77
    Chiparus
    Registered Users Posts: 2,254 ✭✭✭Chiparus


    The Aussie wrote: »
    The Australian Navy did not fire on any Ship, they fired over the bow of the Tampa, there were never any holes found on the Tampa from being fired upon, maybe you should stick with firing over the bow...



    This is where it gets messy, the MV Tampa was supposed to head straight for the nearest Port capable of handling such a vessel, not the nearest port, in this case thats a big difference in the outcome.




    If any foreign ship enters another countries Territorial Waters without permission thats normal practice, normally using trained Navel Personal for boarding, the deployment of the SAS was a cracking a nut with a sledgehammer exercise.



    The Australian Navy was not at the scene of the rescue, they never fired over the bow of the stricken fishing vessel and the above quote is just a straight faced lie. I went and cancelled out the sad bit as well, that was just sad ;)




    And most of Europe, how do you think the Right is rising in Europe?
    That's Politics for you, if you don't like it vote against it, ain't democracy grand...



    Just a point of clarification, I'm not defending the whole MV Tampa affair by either side, but can we stick to facts about it and not fairytales, that would be great thanks.



    Not a lie,

    On 6 October 2001, Adelaide was the ship which intercepted SIEV 4, the event which sparked the Children overboard affair.[20] Under orders to prevent SIEVs from entering Australian waters, Adelaide attempted to warn the craft, carrying over 200 passengers (including children), against crossing from international waters during the night and into 7 October. When the SIEV failed to heed these warnings, Adelaide fired warning shots and initiated a RHIB boarding action,


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    #78
    The Aussie
    Registered Users Posts: 2,440 ✭✭✭The Aussie


    Chiparus wrote: »
    Not a lie,

    On 6 October 2001, Adelaide was the ship which intercepted SIEV 4, the event which sparked the Children overboard affair.[20] Under orders to prevent SIEVs from entering Australian waters, Adelaide attempted to warn the craft, carrying over 200 passengers (including children), against crossing from international waters during the night and into 7 October. When the SIEV failed to heed these warnings, Adelaide fired warning shots and initiated a RHIB boarding action,

    So you brought up the MV Tampa attempting to be all knowing...

    We were discussing the MV Tampa and you were being shot down at every point...

    And you throw something else in not related to the MV Tampa???



    imagejpg1_zps6bf283b8.jpg


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    #79
    Chiparus
    Registered Users Posts: 2,254 ✭✭✭Chiparus


    The Aussie wrote: »
    So you brought up the MV Tampa attempting to be all knowing...

    We were discussing the MV Tampa and you were being shot down at every point...

    And you throw something else in not related to the MV Tampa???



    imagejpg1_zps6bf283b8.jpg

    You can firstly apologise for saying I lied


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    #80
    Chiparus
    Registered Users Posts: 2,254 ✭✭✭Chiparus


    The Aussie wrote: »
    The Australian Navy did not fire on any Ship, they fired over the bow of the Tampa, there were never any holes found on the Tampa from being fired upon, maybe you should stick with firing over the bow...



    This is where it gets messy, the MV Tampa was supposed to head straight for the nearest Port capable of handling such a vessel, not the nearest port, in this case thats a big difference in the outcome.




    If any foreign ship enters another countries Territorial Waters without permission thats normal practice, normally using trained Navel Personal for boarding, the deployment of the SAS was a cracking a nut with a sledgehammer exercise.



    The Australian Navy was not at the scene of the rescue, they never fired over the bow of the stricken fishing vessel and the above quote is just a straight faced lie. I went and cancelled out the sad bit as well, that was just sad ;)




    And most of Europe, how do you think the Right is rising in Europe?
    That's Politics for you, if you don't like it vote against it, ain't democracy grand...



    Just a point of clarification, I'm not defending the whole MV Tampa affair by either side, but can we stick to facts about it and not fairytales, that would be great thanks.

    You should apologize for your stupidity as well.


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    #81
    The Aussie
    Registered Users Posts: 2,440 ✭✭✭The Aussie


    Chiparus wrote: »
    You can firstly apologise for saying I lied and secondly
    I did not bring up the Tampa

    Perhaps you could go back through my posts ?

    Your very first post in this Thread, no one else had mentioned the MV Tampa untill you brought it up, sooooo Yes you did
    Chiparus wrote: »
    The politics of racism in Australia are interesting , Pauline Hanson gained approximately 15% of the popular support in the late 90s, Howard the pm at the time, and his sidekick Abbot, managed to get Hanson jailed . http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2003/s933534.htm

    The 15% of the vote were then mopped up by the liberal party with the MV Tampa affair and the babies overboard( no one in Australia seemed to have any issue with the Australian Navy firing on a boat load of refugees, but were outraged when Reith said the parents threw their children overboard- which they had not.) This gained the 15% of the vote needed to get re- elected despite the introduction of the hugely unpopular GST.

    I highlighted the MV Tampa part for your convenience...
    Chiparus wrote: »
    You should apologize for your stupidity as well.


    We were discussing the MV Tampa, if you wanted to throw in a different incident you should have listed the other incident...


    BTW, I'm far from stupid but I love it when pseudo intellectuals make me look good, thanks.


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    #82
    Chiparus
    Registered Users Posts: 2,254 ✭✭✭Chiparus


    The Aussie wrote: »
    Your very first post in this Thread, no one else had mentioned the MV Tampa untill you brought it up, sooooo Yes you did



    I highlighted the MV Tampa part for your convenience...




    We were discussing the MV Tampa, if you wanted to throw in a different incident you should have listed the other incident...


    BTW, I'm far from stupid but I love it when pseudo intellectuals make me look good, thanks.

    You should apologize for saying i lied.

    The racism i experienced in Australia was one of the reasons I left , I gave up a $400k job, I was sickened having to deal with the refugee children from El alamain/Baxter ( it was in effect a concentration camp).
    The damage done to those children was truly awful.

    I am not a troll nor an intellectual. I just was shocked how internment of children away from their families was done for political gain.

    The children overboard affair where the liberal party accused the refugees of 1 deliberately sinking their boat and 2 throwing their chidden overboard was deliberate lie to vilify these refugees as some sort animals unfit to be parents.

    These untruths were used to get John Howard reelected , as was the locking up of the one nation leaders.

    This was my experience of Australia, a democracy that locks up refugees in the middle of the desert and lies to up the anti against refugees. and locks up political opponents.


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    #83
    efb
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    Tony Abbott is an odious little man


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    #84
    Chiparus
    Registered Users Posts: 2,254 ✭✭✭Chiparus


    efb wrote: »
    Tony Abbott is an odious little man

    Here is how low he will stoop:

    http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/08/22/1061529330032.html


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    #85
    The Aussie
    Registered Users Posts: 2,440 ✭✭✭The Aussie


    Chiparus wrote: »
    You should apologize for saying i lied.

    Nah... Not a snow balls :pac:


    If you wanted to start babbling on about different incidents you should list them.
    you did bring up the MV Tampa (even though you claim you didn't, that was a Lie).

    We were discussing the MV Tampa and you threw in a claim that was not what happened in the incident, so in my book that was a lie. So that makes 2 lies in this thread alone.

    Be more precise or get thicker skin, your choice...


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    #86
    Chiparus
    Registered Users Posts: 2,254 ✭✭✭Chiparus


    My ordinal post was

    The 15% of the vote were then mopped up by the liberal party with the MV Tampa affair and the babies overboard( no one in Australia seemed to have any issue with the Australian Navy firing on a boat load of refugees, but were outraged when Reith said the parents threw their children overboard- which they had not.)

    Perhaps you could read the post again.

    I realize you believe I lied , I don't think anything will convince you otherwise.


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    #87
    The Aussie
    Registered Users Posts: 2,440 ✭✭✭The Aussie


    Chiparus wrote: »
    My ordinal post was

    We were discussing the MV Tampa, what part of that don't you understand, if you want to jump all about covering different topics you should be more precise, as stated earlier...

    Chiparus wrote: »
    I realize you believe I lied , I don't think anything will convince you otherwise.

    Twice, don't forget the second one.


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    #88
    Chiparus
    Registered Users Posts: 2,254 ✭✭✭Chiparus


    The Aussie wrote: »
    We were discussing the MV Tampa, what part of that don't you understand, if you want to jump all about covering different topics you should be more precise, as stated earlier...




    Twice, don't forget the second one.

    I was not just discussing tampa, my original post mentioned Tampa and the babies overboard.

    Two episodes Australia should be proud of.


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    #89
    AngryHippie
    Registered Users Posts: 2,625 ✭✭✭AngryHippie


    Taking traveller's kids off them because they don't look like them.....
    Turning a blind eye to decades and generations of abuse of vulnerable citizens by the Clergy..........
    Failing to prosecute corrupt and incompetent financiers and bankers while passing on their debt legacy to the citizens......
    Failing to enforce basic code of conduct on politicians.........


    It's not like Ireland's track record is exactly fcuking super either.

    I'd love to know exactly what your $400k/year position was where you could get away with not being able to spell children 25% of the time
    chidden
    and not knowing the difference between upping the ante against refugees and upping the and anti against refugees.

    I don't mean to be pedantic, I'm just upping the Aunty.

    What was the $400k/year job anyhow ?
    I'd tolerate a lot of racism for $400k/year


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    #90
    The Aussie
    Registered Users Posts: 2,440 ✭✭✭The Aussie


    Chiparus wrote: »
    I was not just discussing tampa, my original post mentioned Tampa and the babies overboard.

    But your second post in this thread was a response to my reply about your absurd claims about the Tampa, your reply is below...
    Chiparus wrote: »
    Where did I say they shot at the MV Tampa ?

    The MV tampa was asked by Australia to rescue a boat load of refugees and then bring them to the nearest port as per international law, the politicians got involved and illegally commandeered the ship using SAS soldiers.

    That seems like a discussion to me.

    Although it's not lost on me that you are now saying that you mentioned the MV Tampa in your first post then below you are saying you did not bring it up, which you clearly did.
    Chiparus wrote: »
    You can firstly apologise for saying I lied and secondly
    I did not bring up the Tampa

    Perhaps you could go back through my posts ?

    Have you got a problem telling the truth or just don't like it?
    Because it just comes across as petty point scoring to be honest.

    EDIT:
    AngryHippie wrote: »

    I'd love to know exactly what your $400k/year position was where you could get away with not being able to spell children 25% of the time.

    Well in fairness with his pattern of avoiding the truth in this thread I would take that claim with a shovel of salt.


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    #91
    sin_city
    Registered Users Posts: 899 ✭✭✭sin_city


    efb wrote: »
    Tony Abbott is an odious little man

    Future Nobel Laureate in Literature there.

    Fantastic post...full of debt.

    Thanks for your contribution.


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