The big Phil Fish, Zoe Quinn and Anita Sarkeesian discussion thread

this is your audience. to every aspiring game developer out there: don’t. give up. it’s not worth it. nothing is worth this. give up on your dreams.

Better advice: Dont be a ****e.

The guy is easily the biggest dickhead in gaming history but can't say i agree with publishing his info either. He tried to claim youtube users owed him money for people putting footage of Fez on youtube, pffft, gway.

He's a talented game developer. It's a pity he quit the industry. His behavior was dickish but people with dickish behavior and beliefs like those without those problems still produce amazing sht.. He definitely didn't deserve to have his privacy breached. The whole debacle shows how patheticly petty some humans can be. It doesn't reflect greatly on developers, gamers and the industry as a whole.

What's the deal with the other developer he was defending ? Sounds a bit crazy all of it .

super_furry wrote: »

He was hacked and had his private information just because he defended his friend against a pretty nasty harassment campaign. This is a man who has made one of the best platformers of the last decade and whatever you think of his twitter persona, it's really ****ty that he's been forced to take such a drastic step.

Nothing wrong with defending a friend, but when he starts calling people rapists, provoking people,attacking Total Biscuit and making underhand comments about his cancer and a fistful of other ****, he's hardly the innocent white knight the SJW idiots are making him out to be. He mightn't have deserved this but if you go poking at a bear,don't act like it's not partially your fault when you get your face ripped off.
As for Quinn, she's ****ing far from being innocent in the whole matter either.Leaving her private life to one side, she has been heavily involved in trying to censor Youtubers and sites giving her and her game negative press. Look at the Steam community page for her joke of a game.Any negative comments about her game...deleted.Also her involvement in trying to destroy a game jam similar to her own has been fairly well documented over the last few days. She was quick enough to attack other people for actions she deemed immoral, now the shoes on the other foot, she's pulling the usual SJW **** and trying to twist it to make her self out to be an innocent victim.As much as Fish brought it on himself, did Quinn. hey really pissed off the wrong people and from what I can make out,this is only the beginning of it.

The guy is a grade A dick.

GarIT wrote: »

I really feel sorry for the guy, there's a good bit about him in 'Indie Game: The Movie'. Apparently he has battled with depression and suicidal thoughts for years. His girlfriend of a few years left him while making Fez because he was always broke. Apparently he isn't a very nice guy but he has had his fair share of difficulties, he doesn't deserve this.

Then he shouldn't ben engaging people on the net if he can't handle any sort of criticism or rational arguments, I dont mean idiot youtube comments but any criticism whatsoever. The gaming industry really needs to grow up when it comes to this kind of thing.

I don't know who Phil Fish is and I've never played Fez so his threat never to make Fez 2 is...underwhelming. So I don't appreciate the "Kony 2012" rage this man seems to inspire. If Phil Fish is a giant self entitled dick, then he's just reflecting the online community for most games. People need to grow up and develop thicker skins.

Most individual game devs really don't need individual gamers as much as individual gamers believe they do. That said, it going by the OP it seems like the online community is living up to his low expectations of them.

Sand wrote: »

I don't know who Phil Fish is and I've never played Fez so his threat never to make Fez 2 is...underwhelming. So I don't appreciate the "Kony 2012" rage this man seems to inspire. If Phil Fish is a giant self entitled dick, then he's just reflecting the online community for most games. People need to grow up and develop thicker skins.

Most individual game devs really don't need individual gamers as much as individual gamers believe they do. That said, it going by the OP it seems like the online community is living up to his low expectations of them.

If they don't need gamers then why don't they give their game away for free? Every other industry understands that if you piss off customers, you don't get sales.Every customer/gamer is important as they are the ones paying for the devs product.it's not the customers fault that the game is cheap and that the developer runs the business so badly that they can barely make a living from it.

I'm getting sick to the ****ing bone of indie devs acting like they're hard done by.it's their choice to be developers and deal with the public.If they want to have a successful career treat every customer like their your boss.If they can't manage that,then either get a job working for a bigger game company or don't deal with the public full stop. The way some of them go on,you'd swear that they were being held at gun point to make some ****ty game no one gives a **** about and then when they make no money from it, attack the people who actually supported them. Over entitled hipster ****s

What has he actually worked on ? Just fez ? Swear he was some sort of rock star game developer the amount of exposure he gets... such a tit.

Good riddance.

richymcdermott wrote: »

Its more than him given an opinion , anyone can give an opinion but when you personally insult your fanbase then I have a problem with it.

One of his first awards he got for fez he said to everyone suck my dick.

I do not know about anyone else but if you treat me like **** regardless of who you are I wont support your game.

So I have never bought fez , never played it never will , free on ps plus I refuse to even experience it out of sheer priniciple


Talented as fish may seem I wont stand the way he treats people and no matter how much he talked down on his fanbase who want to support him he ran away from his own mess he helped stirred up.


Does he deserve all blame ? Prob not as I am sure trolls , journalist played some part but there is no free passes because you makes games , music , movies you treat the people like dirt you will get burnt in the end .

Again, i want to firstly reiterate that I don't like nor do I dislike Phil Fish but I think you've got some things wrong.
(I can't believe I'm bothering to type this) he told one person to suck his dick, not everyone. That's an important distinction as you're feeling personally insulted by his behaviour towards some other asshole. Fish never really treated anyone that badly, he's just got a really big mouth, a really big ego and a very antagonistic personality. If someone insults him online, he (very stupidly) insults them back. It's a stupid thing to do and rightly makes him out to be a dickhead but, to my mind, doesn't remotely warrant the vitriolic response it garnered.

Phil Fish is probably an asshole but a lot of good artists are (Can we please avoid a videogame=art conversation if at all possible before anyone gets any ideas). I appreciate the art of Polanski, Allen, Eastwood, Davis etc, for their work. I'd prefer that they weren't guitly the misdeeds that they've been accused of but truthfully, I don't really give a ****. Not to the extent that it affects how I enjoy their work. I certainly dont want them to get away with anything due to their status and would hope and expect them to be punished for what they've done but don't think it really have an effect on how their work is appreciated.

On the list of good artists that are assholes, Fish is pretty damn low in terms of bad things committed. Hell, in my mind, the worst thing he did to his fans was to delay updating a savegame breaking bug in Fez until (I think) Microsoft reduced the pricing for providing patches for games.