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The Political Compass

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    #32
    Turtwig
    Registered Users Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Calibos wrote: »
    More Authoritarian than you lot but no more left
    bluewolf wrote: »
    lol
    I'm on the second square up from the very bottom but still over on the right

    Economic Left/Right: 9.75
    Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.79

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    :pac:


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    #33
    SpaceTime
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,088 ✭✭✭SpaceTime


    Here's where I came out.

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    Economic Left/Right: -7.25
    Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.21


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    #34
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 51,713 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


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    I think I broke it :o:P

    If you can read this, you're too close!



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    #35
    Amirani
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,521 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    SW wrote: »
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    I think I broke it :o:P

    That's presumably the sort of area Satan would inhabit? :p


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    #36
    Pherekydes
    Registered Users Posts: 16,114 ✭✭✭✭Pherekydes


    Diego Simeone wrote: »
    That's presumably the sort of area Satan would inhabit? :p

    Or god.


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    #37
    PopePalpatine
    Registered Users Posts: 11,844 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    Pherekydes wrote: »
    Or god.

    That explains the Tea Party! :pac:


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    #38
    keane2097
    Registered Users Posts: 17,770 ✭✭✭✭keane2097


    -6.5,-6.9 for me


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    #39
    rughdh
    Registered Users Posts: 278 ✭✭rughdh


    Bottomish-leftist.
    Economic Left/Right: -5.62
    Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.05


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    #40
    TheDoctor
    Registered Users Posts: 4,977 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    There certainly appears to be a dominant square in this anyway


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    #41
    coffee_cake
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Politics Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 81,310 CMod ✭✭✭✭coffee_cake


    Mine's the cool square


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    #42
    GLaDOS
    Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 23,204 Mod ✭✭✭✭GLaDOS


    -0.75 Economically, -5.8 Socially. Much as I expected.

    Would to see compare to a boards-wide one to see how Atheists compare.

    Cake, and grief counseling, will be available at the conclusion of the test



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    #43
    FouxDaFaFa
    Registered Users Posts: 6,850 ✭✭✭FouxDaFaFa


    Econ: -5.38
    Soc: -4.77

    I finally fit in.


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    #44
    Agent Smith
    Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 21,502 Mod ✭✭✭✭Agent Smith


    pcgraphpng.php?ec=0.38&soc=1.69

    Economic Left/Right: 0.38
    Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 1.69


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    #45
    marienbad
    Registered Users Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭marienbad


    Economic Left/Right: -5.88

    Social Libertarian/Authoritarian : -9.23


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    #46
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users Posts: 33,986 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    bluewolf wrote: »
    The more I read about corporations and govt regulation and how it was failed monopolists trying to get more regulation to protect themselves, the more right I'm going.

    Without regulation we get melamine in milk, horsemeat and hormones in beef, plaster of paris in bread, cartels, monopolies, unfair contracts and price gouging.

    The relationship between corporation and consumer is not an equal one just as the relationship between employer and employee is not an equal one.

    Life ain't always empty.



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    #47
    coffee_cake
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Politics Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 81,310 CMod ✭✭✭✭coffee_cake


    ninja900 wrote: »
    Without regulation we get melamine in milk, horsemeat and hormones in beef, plaster of paris in bread, cartels, monopolies, unfair contracts and price gouging.

    The relationship between corporation and consumer is not an equal one just as the relationship between employer and employee is not an equal one.

    Yes that all sounds like a lovely soundbite and the point I was making was that no, I don't think it IS true in the case of monopoly.


    We have regulation anyway and still end up with horsemeat in products. I'm not sure how listing the failures of regulation is an argument FOR regulation. Maybe with less blind trusting to regulation and more asking questions and investigating, we wouldn't have that problem.

    Once again I point you to the book linked earlier. I was wrong, I'd be doing the arguments injustice to try and summarise them.
    The best historical refutation of this thesis is in two books by socialist historian Gabriel Kolko: The Triumph of
    Conservatism and Railroads and Regulation. He argues that at the end of the last century businessmen believed the
    future was with bigness, with conglomerates and cartels, but were wrong. The organizations they formed to control
    markets and reduce costs were almost invariably failures, returning lower profits than their smaller competitors, unable
    to fix prices, and controlling a steadily shrinking share of the market.
    The regulatory commissions supposedly were formed to restrain monopolistic businessmen. Actually, Kolko argues,
    they were formed at the request of unsuccessful monopolists to prevent the competition which had frustrated their efforts.


    Another strategy, which Rockefeller probably did employ, is to buy out competitors. This is usually cheaper than
    spending a fortune trying to drive them out—at least, it is cheaper in the short run. The trouble is that people soon
    realize they can build a new refinery, threaten to drive down prices, and sell out to Rockefeller at a whopping profit.
    David P. Reighard apparently made a sizable fortune by selling three consecutive refineries to Rockefeller. There was
    a limit to how many refineries Rockefeller could use. Having built his monopoly by introducing efficient business
    organization into the petroleum industry, Rockefeller was unable to withstand the competition of able imitators in his
    later years and failed to maintain his monopoly.

    Rail executives often got together to try to fix rates, but most of these conspiracies broke down, often in a few months,
    for the reasons Rockefeller cites in his analysis of the attempt to control crude oil production. Either the parties to the
    agreement surreptitiously cut rates (often by misclassifying freight or by offering secret rebates) in order to steal
    customers from each other, or some outside railroad took advantage of the high rates and moved in. J. P. Morgan
    committed his enormous resources of money and reputation to cartelizing the industry, but he met with almost
    unmitigated failure. In the beginning of 1889, for example, he formed the Interstate Commerce Railway Association to
    control rates among the western railroads. By March a rate war was going, and by June the situation was back to where
    it had been before he intervened


    The relationship between corporation and consumer is not an equal one
    I quite agree. All we have to do is stop consuming from a particular company and they will be in trouble. We have the money and we can purchase or not purchase. And so they go above and beyond what's legally required and make offers and sales such as 365-day refunds for simple changes of mind as a very simple example.


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    #48
    SpaceTime
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,088 ✭✭✭SpaceTime


    Soooo... Should we organise a green square drinks night??


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    #49
    Mark Hamill
    Registered Users Posts: 7,771 ✭✭✭Mark Hamill


    Economic Left/Right: -7.00
    Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.54
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    #50
    Mark Hamill
    Registered Users Posts: 7,771 ✭✭✭Mark Hamill


    bluewolf wrote: »
    We have regulation anyway and still end up with horsemeat in products. I'm not sure how listing the failures of regulation is an argument FOR regulation.

    Is it a failure of the law that people kill and steal even though it is illegal to do so? Regulations don't start these acts, but they do act to stop them.
    bluewolf wrote: »
    Maybe with less blind trusting to regulation and more asking questions and investigating, we wouldn't have that problem.

    Because without any regulations, multinationals are really going to give individuals honest answers to their questions :rolleyes:.


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    #51
    coffee_cake
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Politics Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 81,310 CMod ✭✭✭✭coffee_cake


    Mark Hamill wrote: »
    Is it a failure of the law that people kill and steal even though it is illegal to do so? Regulations don't start these acts, but they do act to stop them.

    Do they?


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    #52
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users Posts: 33,986 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    bluewolf wrote: »
    All we have to do is stop consuming from a particular company and they will be in trouble. We have the money and we can purchase or not purchase. And so they go above and beyond what's legally required and make offers and sales such as 365-day refunds for simple changes of mind as a very simple example.

    All Ukraine has to do is stop buying gas from Putin, he will soon be in trouble and reduce the price, right?

    Life ain't always empty.



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    #53
    Mark Hamill
    Registered Users Posts: 7,771 ✭✭✭Mark Hamill


    bluewolf wrote: »
    Do they?

    Yes, obviously.


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    #54
    DazMarz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,493 ✭✭✭DazMarz


    For the craic, I answered all the questions as extreme right-wing and all as I could... You will all BOW to me... :p

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    Then my real one... not as leftie nor nearly as libertarian as I thought I was... :o

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    #55
    PopePalpatine
    Registered Users Posts: 11,844 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    I wonder what the results would be in t'udder forum...I'm guessing a lot of them would be in the top quarter of the graph.


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    #56
    Benny_Cake
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,205 ✭✭✭Benny_Cake


    PopePalpatine wrote: »
    I wonder what the results would be in t'udder forum...I'm guessing a lot of them would be in the top quarter of the graph.

    I may very well start a thread there.

    I've always thought it was a bad idea to assume that A&A posters necessarily represent the views of atheists generally. The same goes for those who post in "t'udder forum". I've met atheists who were all over that map, although the majority would probably be somewhere in the bottom half.

    My results were:

    Economic Left/Right: -8.75
    Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.74

    Which in American terms would probably put me somewhere to the left of Pol Pot! I thought I was a fairly wishy-washy sort of democratic socialist, but as I've grown older I think I've developed some anarchist leanings from seeing what power does to people.


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    #57
    robindch
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,399 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Economic Left/Right: -4.00
    Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.36

    Should be "Liberal", not "Libertarian"!

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    #58
    Bannasidhe
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 19,219 Mod ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    robindch wrote: »

    Should be "Liberal", not "Libertarian"!


    That word makes me wince too...although so does the American definition of 'Liberal'....


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    #59
    Brian Shanahan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,232 ✭✭✭Brian Shanahan


    bluewolf wrote: »
    The more I read about corporations and govt regulation and how it was failed monopolists trying to get more regulation to protect themselves, the more right I'm going.

    You're seriously basing your economic ideas off one of the chief (non-dead) cheerleaders for the Chicago School for the Advancement of Bull**** and Lies? Especially after the 2008 crash and its aftermath (we have yet to see the second crash, the only logical result of using Friedman's ideas to solve the problems inherent in Friedman's ideas) has shown monetarist economics to be a worthless idea?

    As regards the quiz, I took this a few years ago and came out -9.50/-9.00, so basically an Anarcho-Communist, this time I came out:
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    So I'm somewhat more authoritarian (probably because I answered Agree to the question "some criminals are incapable of rehabilitation", which statistically is the only correct answer, there are always going to be a small number of sociopaths who cannot exist under the rules necessary to maintain a civilisation), but on the other hand somewhat more left-wing. Of course as others have mentioned, the US bias of this quiz is evident in asking questions like "should large multinationals be regulated?" and giving the only logical answer "of course, corporations are too immoral to be left alone" a left wing bias.


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    #60
    wp_rathead
    Registered Users Posts: 10,067 ✭✭✭✭wp_rathead


    pcgraphpng.php?ec=-6.50&soc=-6.82

    Economic Left/Right: -6.50
    Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.82


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    #61
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Economic Left/Right: -3.50
    Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.38



    About where I expected to be, though it'll probably shift a square or two each time I do the test.


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