This weeks Classic Irish bargains that i'm not buying

Capri · 07-03-2014 12:20am

Nekarsulm wrote: »

Way-hay!
just think how much my 1983 230CE is now worth! :D

and extensive repairs have been carried out to the body and the interior.

Pity the seats don't match, ......the wheelnuts are rusty, ........for €1k let alone €11k I'd expect a bit of tyre shine ................

http://cars.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/mercedes-240-d/6415901 €1650

OR you could go to Matt Roche,

http://cars.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/mercedes-240d-auto-new-n-c-t-/5347373

or the UK , and get a much better deal

Odyssey 2005 · 07-03-2014 12:25am

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w124man wrote: »

Has the economy got better or something .....

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/mercedes-benz-240-240d/6549837

or am I missing something?

Jesus that's bleeding shocking....
Then there's the price :eek:

Capri · 07-03-2014 12:44am

Escort 'Gear' - Actually GHIA. Shows a time when the Ghia badge meant LOADS of chrome and wood, not just a badge and one piece of chrome that came in later years :mad:

http://cars.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/ford-escort-mk-2/6566041

Now, about the missing reg plate, and those photos......:rolleyes:

mattroche · 07-03-2014 3:01am

I would think this car is at about E 7,000 over priced, It does not stand out as a nice car. However, I think Tom Murphy is a Main Mercedes Dealer, we all know the fancy prices Main Dealers ask for their cars. Someone is dreaming on this one.:):)

Capri · 07-03-2014 7:38am

mattroche wrote: »

I would think this car is at about E 7,000 over priced, It does not stand out as a nice car. However, I think Tom Murphy is a Main Mercedes Dealer, we all know the fancy prices Main Dealers ask for their cars. Someone is dreaming on this one.:):)

Hard to know what's going on. Is he under pressure because of another deal, there's no warranty offered and I'm sure he wouldn't normally sell it even as a trade car? ?

B2AUDI80 · 07-03-2014 2:42pm

Capri wrote: »

Escort 'Gear' - Actually GHIA. Shows a time when the Ghia badge meant LOADS of chrome and wood, not just a badge and one piece of chrome that came in later years :mad:

http://cars.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/ford-escort-mk-2/6566041

Now, about the missing reg plate, and those photos......:rolleyes:

interesting spelling alright LOL ,, rubbish standard of repairs already done on the floor , and looks like an equally rubbish top suspension plating has went on ,, maybe the pics are deceiving but they dont look tidy , arch will need more than a little bit of welding too :eek:

Zoo4m8 · 07-03-2014 7:45pm

Capri wrote: »

Escort 'Gear' - Actually GHIA. Shows a time when the Ghia badge meant LOADS of chrome and wood, not just a badge and one piece of chrome that came in later years :mad:

http://cars.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/ford-escort-mk-2/6566041

Now, about the missing reg plate, and those photos......:rolleyes:

I love it, one of the best I've seen for a while! And no explanation as to why there is a big hole where the engine should be... Clown couldn't even be arsed giving it a quick clean. :rolleyes:

kja1888 · 07-03-2014 8:53pm

If he'd stated front or rear I might have been able to help.....

http://cars.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/wanted/6568911

ianobrien · 07-03-2014 11:08pm

Capri wrote: »

Escort 'Gear' - Actually GHIA. Shows a time when the Ghia badge meant LOADS of chrome and wood, not just a badge and one piece of chrome that came in later years :mad:

http://cars.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/ford-escort-mk-2/6566041

Now, about the missing reg plate, and those photos......:rolleyes:

I'm confused. It's got the late grill (blue oval as opposed to the individual FORD letters) and late steering wheel. but an intertia starter with remote solonoid as fitted to the early ones. That being said, they did change over in '77 so Ford may have just fitted what ever came to hand. Also, the centre console is missing and the popular gear lever rubber/surround is fitted. I reckon that they are GL bumpers as the Ghia ones had rubbing strips and they're missing

I'm temped to go & look. I'm thinking of if there is some "wiggle" room it might be worth breaking. Also I'm on the look out for green tinted Ford glass and Carello headlights. There might be some other items that I want and the rest can be broken up. With the West Cork Rally coming up, there may be a demand for rear lights and rear quarter panels......

ianobrien · 07-03-2014 11:22pm

Zoo4m8 wrote: »

I love it, one of the best I've seen for a while! And no explanation as to why there is a big hole where the engine should be... Clown couldn't even be arsed giving it a quick clean. :rolleyes:

Edit - Sarcasm detector malfunction.....

swarlb · 07-03-2014 11:47pm

kja1888 wrote: »

If he'd stated front or rear I might have been able to help.....

http://cars.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/wanted/6568911

Its a 2 door car !!

Capri · 08-03-2014 7:09am

kja1888 wrote: »

If he'd stated front or rear I might have been able to help.....

http://cars.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/wanted/6568911

This model http://www.showacars.com/images/opel-gt_key_5.jpg

Here - http://www.opelgt.com/forums/opel-parts-suppliers/15677-where-do-i-buy-opel-gt-parts.html

Capri · 08-03-2014 7:29am

Ready reckoner as to REAL values - Irish ones of course are totally ar*eways due to greed (MUCH too expensive) or desperation (Junk money)

http://www.classic-tax.de/de/oldtimerpreise?utf8=%E2%9C%93&cl=&construction_year=1999&brand_id=444&model_id=6095&commit=Wert+abfragen&vehicle_type_id=1&construction_year_hidden=&brand_id_hidden=&model_id_hidden=

I've always used German values as a marker of what I should pay for newer cars (When I bought my S-class prices of €18k were being looked for here, I checked Autoscout 24 and saw they were about €11-12k over there so I waited and sure enough one came along at €12k. Unfortunately, it's now a millstone around my neck

Capri · 09-03-2014 7:17am

Interesting looking ad and sales pitch , he must be trying to corner the Ford market :P

But look at the pic of the silver 'Twin cab' Sierra - homemade job I'd reckon
http://cars.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/fast-ford-freddie/6575474

johnty56 · 09-03-2014 10:00am

Capri wrote: »

Ready reckoner as to REAL values - Irish ones of course are totally ar*eways due to greed (MUCH too expensive) or desperation (Junk money)

http://www.classic-tax.de/de/oldtimerpreise?utf8=%E2%9C%93&cl=&construction_year=1999&brand_id=444&model_id=6095&commit=Wert+abfragen&vehicle_type_id=1&construction_year_hidden=&brand_id_hidden=&model_id_hidden=

I've always used German values as a marker of what I should pay for newer cars (When I bought my S-class prices of €18k were being looked for here, I checked Autoscout 24 and saw they were about €11-12k over there so I waited and sure enough one came along at €12k. Unfortunately, it's now a millstone around my neck

How much faith would you put in this guide though? If anything I would think it is showing many classics here to be undervalued if anything..

Capri · 09-03-2014 12:18pm

johnty56 wrote: »

How much faith would you put in this guide though? If anything I would think it is showing many classics here to be undervalued if anything..

Different cultural attitudes, here it's 'injuns too big / not daysel ' V's. 'I LIKE. THAT CAR! ' in Germany. We're hung up on tax issues!

swarlb · 09-03-2014 4:17pm

Capri wrote: »

Different cultural attitudes, here it's 'injuns too big / not daysel ' V's. 'I LIKE. THAT CAR! ' in Germany. We're hung up on tax issues!

Unfortunately road tax is a reality, not something to be 'hung up on'.I don't think you can compare, even with cultural attitudes. How much is a year 2000 CL500 worth here or in Germany.
A 'real' classic car has close on the same value, no matter where its for sale, and I'm not talking about a '90's Golf or similar.
If the size of the engine mattered that much, no car company would bother manufacturing cars with small engines, as by your reckoning the only market for cheap small engine cars is Ireland, whereas everywhere else the preference is for 'the bigger the better'.
I think you'll find, that enthusiasts aside, the same attitudes exist in most countries regarding purchase of cars, as regards engine, fuel economy, size etc. Most people want cheap motoring.

johnty56 · 09-03-2014 5:10pm

I'm just looking at some of the cars on donedeal for example.. and alot of them are actually less than that price site would indicate their value to be.. I know they are RHD and there is not as big a market but I would think the floor has pretty much been reached in terms of classic car prices here..

Kaiser D · 09-03-2014 11:03pm

Major want - €1k

mondymike · 10-03-2014 12:54am

Kaiser D wrote: »

Major want - €1k

Saw it earlier n thought the same!

mondymike · 10-03-2014 12:54am

Kaiser D wrote: »

Major want - €1k

Saw it earlier n thought the same!

Anan1 · 10-03-2014 8:36pm

http://www.cheshireclassiccarauctions.com/auction/lot/id/94

Bigus · 10-03-2014 8:57pm

Anan1 wrote: »

http://www.cheshireclassiccarauctions.com/auction/lot/id/94

Good spot , would you be going to the auction ?

Anan1 · 10-03-2014 9:19pm

Bigus wrote: »

Good spot , would you be going to the auction ?

Not me I'm afraid, I just saw it and liked it!

Capri · 11-03-2014 12:07am

Bigus wrote: »

Good spot , would you be going to the auction ?

More going to Cheltenham racecourse than Cheshire racecourse :P

Another of my IF (time/money/space) projects
http://cars.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/vw-412-estate/6583748

Bigus · 11-03-2014 12:07am

Anan1 wrote: »

Not me I'm afraid, I just saw it and liked it!

I might go so .

carchaeologist · 11-03-2014 8:47am

Capri wrote: »

Different cultural attitudes, here it's 'injuns too big / not daysel ' V's. 'I LIKE. THAT CAR! ' in Germany. We're hung up on tax issues!

Yep. You got it. Fellas here love big tractor daysul engines.

Capri · 11-03-2014 9:41am

From Hooniverse -

The British cable TV show Wheeler Dealers should not need introduction to Hooniverse readers. They buy low-priced interesting cars that need a bit of work, fix them, and flip them for profit. All of that is done in the name of keeping another modern classic on the road. The idea behind the show is pretty cool, and it works too, with Edd China’s careful explanation of all the work he is doing and Mike Brewer doing the buying/selling and generally being in the way.

Let’s start off with the fact that the show has never been perfect:

•Mike always finds the car he wants for low money – c’mon, there are cars we all want, and we do look for them and never find them for the right combination of car/deal. Then there is the fact that everyone looks for a deal first, and car second, as there are more good deals out there than there are good cars for the right price.
•There is no job that’s too big/small for Edd – interior makeovers, frame-off restorations, oil changes, he does it all, and nothing ever goes wrong! No bolts are rusted/broken, all trim always fits perfectly back in, all after-market parts work perfectly. All the things that Edd does not work on are evidently perfect.
•No car ever gets washed, it just ends up being clean.
•Poor acting on part of sellers, buyers, vendors, and other characters, especially Paul who comes over only when needed and never says anything.
•The fact that Edd’s labor does not cost anything. Evidently he can spend eighty hours working on the car which results in 200 quid profit, and that’s enough to keep the shop running, pay his and Mike’s salary, and build up the kitty for another car purchase.
We have all come to expect that from this show, and really it would be challenging to fit more details into a 45-ish minute time slot. There were a few episodes that I rolled my eyes on, such as the drifting Skyline or the expedition Discovery (on stock tires/suspension), or the completely weird VW bus that Edd ended up keeping for himself. Recently, however, I was even more perplexed by the choice of vehicles used on the show and their final result
The recent show featured a 1950′s Cadillac Coupe DeVille, bought in the U.S. and exported to UK. The car needed everything, and upon seeing it Edd asked if Mike could bring it back, and rightfully so. But Edd being Edd predictably gave the Caddy everything it needed, except any kind of engine work. Everything Edd did worked flawlessly as always, including the completely custom air suspension which took about four minutes to install.

What got me in the end was the choices made on the Caddy. Neon-ish green color, white interior, and the worst looking pin-stripe things I have ever seen. The only person that could like this vehicle is Ali G.

The show seems to have moved from quick-fix flips to complete restorations. The attention to detail and explanation in labor involved that once existed is now gone. The cars have changed from $5000 enthusiast models to supercars, which isn’t necessarily bad but the BS factor is raising exponentially with that.

To their credit, there are only so many $5000 interesting cars. The work on all similarly priced cars would be similar, and we would be complaining that each episodes are the same. They, the hosts and producers, need to change to keep things interesting to keep the audience. In a way they need to keep raising the bar, but along with that come a lot of BS that frankly many viewers won’t like

Anan1 · 11-03-2014 11:09am

Bigus wrote: »

I might go so .

Let us know how you get on if you do. Personally I'd like more details of the service history, whether the a/c's been converted, pictures of the interior etc before travelling. It's potentially a good one, but it's also a long way to travel just for a look.

Red Kev · 11-03-2014 1:44pm

Capri wrote: »

Ready reckoner as to REAL values - Irish ones of course are totally ar*eways due to greed (MUCH too expensive) or desperation (Junk money)

http://www.classic-tax.de/de/oldtimerpreise?utf8=%E2%9C%93&cl=&construction_year=1999&brand_id=444&model_id=6095&commit=Wert+abfragen&vehicle_type_id=1&construction_year_hidden=&brand_id_hidden=&model_id_hidden=

I've always used German values as a marker of what I should pay for newer cars (When I bought my S-class prices of €18k were being looked for here, I checked Autoscout 24 and saw they were about €11-12k over there so I waited and sure enough one came along at €12k. Unfortunately, it's now a millstone around my neck

I'd use www.mobile.de for a far more accurate idea of car prices than that site. The higher prices there are based on the car being in the exact same condition as a well maintained 3 year old car.

If you are buting a youngtimer/classic in Germany one of th most important things is the emissions, depending on how good or bad they are, it can reflect very strongly in the price.

One of the other reasons for high car prices there is the huge amount of people from Eastern Europe, Africa, Central Asia, Middle East etc who buy cars there. RHD are not sought as much, thus a lower price. The UK has probably the lowest car prices in Europe as it is.

This weeks Classic Irish bargains that i'm not buying

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