What's with all the Anti-Arthur Day campaign ?

23-09-2013 12:01pm

Kind of hilarious that the two parts of Christy Moore's song that I remember are

"Happy Happy Happy Happy Arthur's day" (good job putting me off it there Christy)

And the fact that he mentioned Primal Scream were playing it - that got my attenion and made me want to get tickets.

Busted Flat. · 23-09-2013 12:01pm

AnonoBoy wrote: »

Siucra?

Its name is even spelled in Irish!

No longer made in this country.

Reekwind · 23-09-2013 12:04pm

Dravokivich wrote: »

It was more of, because you had problems with something, doesn't mean everyone else will have problems with the same thing.

Which is daft in itself. That's the sort of logic that says that rape victims shouldn't campaign on issues of sexual violence or that men should stay quiet about fathers' rights

It's a typically Irish thing to do though: hint that the person raising the issue is the problem and then belittle them through reference to their experience with the issue. Christy doesn't like Arthur's Day? What matter, he's a bitter drunk with a sagging career!

And that's being generous to your interpretation of that post. I don't think it was meant solely in that vein. At the very least it was horribly worded

sparksfly · 23-09-2013 12:06pm

Busted Flat. wrote: »

What product in this country is truly Irish ?. Apart from beef.

Lyons tea, wait, its not irish anymore, packed in England for Dutch firm Unilever.
HB ice cream, crap, not irish either, it too is made by Unilever in the UK.
Good old fruitfield jam....
Suicre suga...
Jacobs Biscu.......

You are dead right, Truly Irish and our beef are truly Irish I suppose.

RainyDay · 23-09-2013 12:07pm

http://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/a-hard-day-s-night-12-hours-in-a-dublin-a-e-1.1534744

But the single biggest problem is alcohol. If we could just reduce the amount of alcohol consumed.

Who's going to pay the ambulance and A&E bill for Arthur's Day?

Dravokivich · 23-09-2013 12:08pm

Reekwind wrote: »

Which is daft in itself. That's the sort of logic that says that rape victims shouldn't campaign on issues of sexual violence or that men should stay quiet about fathers' rights

It's a typically Irish thing to do though: hint that the person raising the issue is the problem and then belittle them through reference to their experience with the issue. Christy doesn't like Arthur's Day? What matter, he's a bitter drunk with a sagging career!

And that's being generous to your interpretation of that post. I don't think it was meant solely in that vein. At the very least it was horribly worded

No it isn't. You are just looking to pull it to extremes, emotionally tar the discussion and heavily distorting it in doing so. He has a problem as an addict, some people have issues as addicts. A lot of people, do not. This is all Awec said, and what I said meant.

Brendan Flowers · 23-09-2013 12:15pm

hawkwind23 wrote: »

some of the comments about christy moore and mike scott are hateful and really reflect the scum mindset of those who make the snipes.

both are talented musicians having presence for over 50 years each in the music industry.

hey snipers , have you been at the top of your games for so long?
or do you just make cheap shots at folk along the way?

pathetic

on the subject of arthurs day , ill take the few free pints and a bit of music , other than that , you can stick arthurs day up your arse

Aaahhh.....isn't that the whole point of Arthur's Day?

AnonoBoy · 23-09-2013 12:15pm

Busted Flat. wrote: »

No longer made in this country.

But its name is spelled in IRISH!????? :eek:

I've been lied to.

gobnaitolunacy · 23-09-2013 12:17pm

sparksfly wrote: »

You are dead right, Truly Irish and our beef are truly Irish I suppose.

The beef was found not to be totally Irish and not all beef either...

RobertKK · 23-09-2013 12:17pm

I can't believe people fall for Arthur's day, which Diageo claim is to celebrate the pub and Irish music.
It is a marketing campaign with the simple point of raising brand awareness, and increasing the profits of Diageo.

A 30% rise in A&E admissions last year show there are a lot of people who fall for Diageo's marketing campaign, which is good news for the people who have invested in their shares, rather than those who invested in potential liver problems.

hatrickpatrick · 23-09-2013 12:30pm

A Facebook group with less than 5,000 fans, a song by one artist and (surprise surprise) a condemnation from the medical community?

I'd hardly call that a "massive" backlash. There's always been animosity towards Arthur's Day - to be honest I'd argue there are far more animosity last year than there has been so far this year.

It's pretty much part of the occasion now. Wouldn't be the same without it

Ghost Buster · 23-09-2013 12:31pm

crusher000 wrote: »

Okay this seems to be building more and more. So let me say 1. I am a drinker and 2. I have never celebrated Arthurs Day.

Christy Moore and The WaterBoys have brought out seperate songs against Arthur Day. Yes it's a marketing ploy but hay if you have a product and you want to sell what else would you do ?. Lie in a ditch and wait for someone to come along and buy your product ? Germany is famous for it's beerfests and they go on for a week at a time but that's okay. Like it or not if tourists give reasons why the visit Ireland one of the reasons will be to drink the Guiness. Not all tourists come here for that but some do. The day can get messy and we've seen the pictures in the paper and clips on youtube.

So why the big campaign now against Guiness ?

I saw exactly the same thing this weekend when Longford did their 'Little Mayo' thing. Their FB page kept getting comment to the effect of 'Ah sure its all a money making stunt, trying to get Mayo people to stop off on the way and spend' yadda yadda yadda.
**** YES THAT WAS EXACTLY THE IDEA!
If you don't like it don't participate.

Reekwind · 23-09-2013 12:33pm

Dravokivich wrote: »

No it isn't. You are just looking to pull it to extremes, emotionally tar the discussion and heavily distorting it in doing so. He has a problem as an addict, some people have issues as addicts. A lot of people, do not. This is all Awec said, and what I said meant.

And the suggestion from Awec and others is that, as an addict, Christy's position somehow carries less weight. That his condition has 'made him a Nazi' and that he should "give it a rest, and go back to singing about wee villages down the country"

Those are the words used and I fail to see how does that not tally with what I said above?

We're in the bizarre situation where people would presumably attach more weight to his word if we weren't in a situation where "not everyone is like him". That is, if he didn't have any experience with alcoholism then his warnings about alcoholism wouldn't be rubbished. How strange

Busted Flat. · 23-09-2013 12:36pm

Where would Ireland be, if we didn't have our high and mighty whingers. For starters we wouldn't have Whine line.

anncoates · 23-09-2013 12:43pm

It's one of the irritating trends on boards in recent times that anybody that criticizes - usually anything or anybody Irish, I might add - anything is told something along the lines of Just Don't Use/Go/Watch If you Don't like It etc or the old fail-safe moron chestnut of "begrdugery".

It's a pretty effete and spastic way of countering criticism.

It's a discussion forum. Criticizing something doesn't mean people are issuing a holy edict forbidding you to think otherwise.

Menas · 23-09-2013 12:48pm

Arthurs day does not bother me. But if we have to start sending 'Happy Arthurs Day' cards then I will stomp my feet.

Czarcasm · 23-09-2013 12:50pm

Reekwind wrote: »

And the suggestion from Awec and others is that, as an addict, Christy's position somehow carries less weight. That his condition has 'made him a Nazi' and that he should "give it a rest, and go back to singing about wee villages down the country"

Those are the words used and I fail to see how does that not tally with what I said above?

We're in the bizarre situation where people would presumably attach more weight to his word if we weren't in a situation where "not everyone is like him". That is, if he didn't have any experience with alcoholism then his warnings about alcoholism wouldn't be rubbished. How strange

Christy's problem is that he doesn't know when to shut up. It's that simple. His "ordinary man" facade fell away when he called the Irish a nation of docile obedient shít takers. He seems to forget it was the same docile, obedient shít takers that bought his records in the first place that gave him the platform to take a dump on the Irish people.

Why should ANYONE listen to him? I couldn't care less whether he could or couldn't handle alcohol responsibly, the majority of people can, and for the minority that can't, well, they're not going to care about Christy's opinion much either.

He can eff off as far as I'm concerned with his bitter little rants. I won't be bothered being out on Thursday because I usually go for a drink on a Friday night, and I'm not too pushed about drinking black písswater, because that's all it'll be Thursday as publicans try to keep up with demand. I'd sooner relax and have my few drinks Friday night instead of being shoved, pushed and prodded to get to the bar for "me free pint". Fcuking keep it! :pac:

WindSock · 23-09-2013 12:53pm

As much as I like a nice pint of Guinness, I am in two minds about this day. It is good for tourism etc, but if Diageo are going to completely exploit and promote our perceived drinking culture then they can use it to promote homegrown Irish music too. What percentage of the acts are even Irish?

Menas · 23-09-2013 12:57pm

WindSock wrote: »

As much as I like a nice pint of Guinness, I am in two minds about this day. It is good for tourism etc, but if Diageo are going to completely exploit and promote our perceived drinking culture then they can use it to promote homegrown Irish music too. What percentage of the acts are even Irish?

Is AD really good for tourism? I honestly never thought of that as I cant see any people planning a trip to Ireland just for AD?
I could be wrong.

Mr Whirly · 23-09-2013 12:59pm

awec wrote: »

His preaching to people is daft. Many people can enjoy a drink and are able to know when enough is enough. Christy Moore needs to realise this - not everyone is like him. Give it a rest, and go back to singing about wee villages down the country.

I also couldn't give two sh!tes about his talent either, having talent doesn't mean you are immune from criticism.

Though, I do find the outrage from you about people criticising Moore for just voicing an opinion hiliarious given that you've called people "scum" and "cretinous" for disagreeing with you and him.

I'd say your problem with Christy has more to do with his politics but continue on being a bad bastard about his alcoholism so you can slate the man.

crusher000 · 23-09-2013 12:59pm

Okay National Fish & Chip day lets have a go at that. Far more obese children from eating chips than drinking Guiness.

The Drunk'n Irish, we seem to use this term more than people form outside the Country so this is more an inner reflection on us , than a perception by people from outside the country. Bankrupt Ireland. Corrupt Ireland would be more apt names for some on this island than drunk'n.

Education not legislation will lead to responsible drinking, answer to everything increase taxes or ban.

The RSA probably lead the way in education didn't hear take the cars of the irresponsible , if you break the law your caught, the rest of the population that drive responsibly have nothing to fear. Same for those of us whom enjoy a drink, and yes may get taken in by marketing at times , but not all the time. Heineken Cup, Bulmers Comedy Festival. Alcohol sponsorship has funded many music festivals too. Will Christy et al be pulling out of these events ? As it's our money that goes towards them.

Surveyor11 · 23-09-2013 1:01pm

Diageo are a London-based multi-national trying top sell more of the black stuff, sales of which have being declining here for years. I have to say I agreed with the 250 thing for the first one, but it's got a bit tired now. I'm sure loads will participate, but it's just now for me.

conorhal · 23-09-2013 1:01pm

Franticfrank wrote: »

Don't tell Christy Oktoberfest just started. Seriously, as someone else just pointed out, Germans have beerfests all the time. There's stuff like "World Astra Day" in Hamburg involving shameless advertising and everyone just goes out and gets hammered. How come when we do it, it's a big problem? If you're not interested, just stay at home!

I'm off the Oktoberfest this weekend Wooohoo! I've been several times before and I'm always impressed at how well run the event is and how little trouble you see in tents that accomodate 8 thousand people driking 5.8abv beers by the litre.
They serve 6.9 million litres of beer at Oktoberfest, the event is visited by 6.4 million visitors. This goes some way to explaining the reason that it's not a violent sloppy affair, your average visitor has a couple of beers and goes home. In Ireland you'd get 100 visitors to a boozy event and they'd drink 600 beers between them.
It's easier to blame Diagio then it is ourselves for the manner in which we use and abuse alcohol, better they recieve our faux wrath than the parents that set a poor example or the permissive acceptance of drunkenness in public.

crusher000 · 23-09-2013 1:05pm

I was in Dublin last week and passed St. James Gate they're were people working in there. Have I missed something ? It's all robots.

News Flash : Diageo are multi national but hire people here just like other multi nationals.

run_Forrest_run · 23-09-2013 1:06pm

bnt wrote: »

Well, cheaper Guinness on the day would help ... while I'm not strongly against it, I can't forget that Diageo is a multinational corporation, and everything about the day seems to be aimed at their bottom line. They try to make it sound like they're "giving something back", but it's all take and no give. That's my problem with it: the hypocrisy.

yeah but it's a business, their main objective is to make money not to give back, don't con yourself. And if you see a commercial entity 'giving something back' then you have been duped, businesses do not give, they take. Simple as that

Dravokivich · 23-09-2013 1:10pm

Reekwind wrote: »

And the suggestion from Awec and others is that, as an addict, Christy's position somehow carries less weight. That his condition has 'made him a Nazi' and that he should "give it a rest, and go back to singing about wee villages down the country"

Those are the words used and I fail to see how does that not tally with what I said above?

We're in the bizarre situation where people would presumably attach more weight to his word if we weren't in a situation where "not everyone is like him". That is, if he didn't have any experience with alcoholism then his warnings about alcoholism wouldn't be rubbished. How strange

Awec's comments are of an extreme nature, in response to PR against Arthur's Day being put out in an extreme nature. It's like for like. Its not direct intention on his part, its reactionary.

Two Tone from Limehouse · 23-09-2013 1:11pm

hawkwind23 wrote: »

some of the comments about christy moore and mike scott are hateful and really reflect the scum mindset of those who make the snipes.

both are talented musicians having presence for over 50 years each in the music industry.

hey snipers , have you been at the top of your games for so long?
or do you just make cheap shots at folk along the way?

pathetic

on the subject of arthurs day , ill take the few free pints and a bit of music , other than that , you can stick arthurs day up your arse

Scum? Very personal attack in my opinion.

By the way, since when has Christy Moore been at 'the top if his game'. FFS

WindSock · 23-09-2013 1:12pm

Trigger Happy wrote: »

Is AD really good for tourism? I honestly never thought of that as I cant see any people planning a trip to Ireland just for AD?
I could be wrong.

Actually I have no idea. I am just guessing it might be attractive to some people to come over here to enjoy a weekend of cheap Guinness, music agus craicadiddley-i.
It certainly won't hurt the economy if it encourages people to head out and socialise in the only manner in which we seemingly know how. Although I the damage caused to furthering our cultural stereotype remains to be seen.

Also, it is not a national holiday. There is nothing national about it. And also x2 leave Christy alone. He's a legend and he's always had an opinion, why should he discontinue to have one now?

Dravokivich · 23-09-2013 1:15pm

WindSock wrote: »

Also, it is not a national holiday. There is nothing national about it. And also x2 leave Christy alone. He's a legend and he's always had an opinion, why should he discontinue to have one now?

I reckon because the opinion he's promoting is similar to treating us like kids from the perspective of a disappointed parent.

Menas · 23-09-2013 1:16pm

Perhaps we could combine mothers day, fathers day, arthurs day and national fish and chip day.

You then simply take both parents down the pub, have a feed of pints and a fish supper on the way home.

4 birds one stone.

What's with all the Anti-Arthur Day campaign ?

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