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Interesting Article about Android

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  • 09-08-2013 10:42am
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    Registered Users Posts: 2,431 ✭✭✭


    http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/aug/08/iphone-android-leaky-ecosystem-us
    "Once a consumer buys an iPhone, he or she is highly unlikely to switch to another ecosystem," it says, pointing to the loyalty figure. "Think of the Apple and Android ecosystems as two buckets of water. New smartphone buyers - mostly upgrading featurephone owners - fall like rain into the two big buckets about equally...However, the Android bucket leaks badly, losing about one in five of all the owners put into it. The Apple bucket leaks only about 7% of its contents, so it retains more of the customers that fall into it. The Apple bucket will fill up faster and higher than the Android one, regardless of the fact that the Apple bucket hay have had fewer owners in it to begin with."

    I thought this article backed up my experiences with friends and family regarding android and apple smartphones. I've seen lots of people start off with an android phone and switch to Apple ASAP. My experience is Android phones make excellent first impressions but after a while, the average person starts looking enviously at their iPhone owning friends. I love the customisation my S3 allows but nobody I know is even aware of these options let alone actually use them, nullifying a key feature of android IMO.

    Anyway, not trying to start an Apple vs Android thread just wondering if anyone has any suggestions for Google to hang on to users or is the article and the study correct?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 18,907 ✭✭✭✭Mimikyu


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,861 ✭✭✭donspeekinglesh


    I think most of the Android owners that abandon the ecosystem only had what theregister.co,uk call "landfill android" - cheap poorly specced phones. And for some reason they are disappointed when their piece of rubbish doesn't match the iPhones owned by friends.

    Nobody I know with a higher end Android would ever consider moving to iPhone. They may not customise it to the extent I do, but they customise it more than Apple would allow.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,431 ✭✭✭Ivefoundgod


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    Thats actually another very good point. Too many cheap PAYG android phones that are practically unusable. Unfortunately for Google, its going to be very hard to get away from the perception of android as a cheap iPhone alternative. I've been asked "could you not afford an iPhone?" when a friend saw my S3 for the first time :mad:

    I still think even high end Android owners are far more likely to switch to iPhone than vice versa. It seems to be either S4 or iPhone for most people, in my experience, customers will chose an android phone for their contract once, then switch to iPhone and this report seems to back that up somewhat.


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,601 ✭✭✭✭errlloyd


    I agree with the above. Android is similar to Microsoft pc os. Because lots of sub par hardware runs it, it gives the system a bad name.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,593 ✭✭✭theteal


    It is all down to the cheap androids, they get very sluggish very quickly after a few updates and this is what lead to the bad user experience. I had a friend recently who went through this with her now buried HTC wildfire (and that was mid-range at the time), she's now the happy owner of an iphone 4 I think. She still asks me questions about my phone like, "doesn't it get slow?, doesn't the memory fill up fast?, htc batteries are crap aren't they?". I then show her my perfectly zippy 2.5 yr old Desire S (it is rooted an OCed though)- I still have to explain the difference between a €400+ phone and €200 phone.

    On the other hand mrsTeal had a 3gs for 2+ years, was reasonably content with it but it had the usual bugs, mute button not working etc. She saw a friends SGS3 and had an instant "I want one" moment and so she got one and loved it. . .loved it so much that forked out another £300 a few weeks ago to replace the first one which was stolen :(


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  • Subscribers Posts: 32,846 ✭✭✭✭5starpool


    I'll be staying in the Android bucket anyhow!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,330 ✭✭✭Gran Hermano


    Plenty of articles over the last year from the USA (where apple has a bigger market share than android) from journalists who have made the change from iphone to android and have had no regrets. As mentioned above the key is comparing
    an android phone of similar spec/price point to the iphone.

    http://www.techhive.com/article/2030042/why-i-switched-from-iphone-to-android.html
    http://blog.chron.com/techblog/2013/03/an-iphone-fan-makes-the-switch-to-android/

    Yes it boils down to personal choice and what you're familiar with but I have both the iphone 5 and Nexus 4
    and I only use the iphone for work calls and emails for all other tasks I use the Nexus 4.


  • Registered Users Posts: 34,788 ✭✭✭✭krudler


    I have both an iphone 4s and a samsung s3 as my spare phone, I mostly still use the iphone purely because of imessage, if there was a standard android messaging app aside from stuff like whatsapp and viber Id switch.

    I love the S3 though I had a sony x8 as my first android phone and it was ok for what it was but it was laggy as hell after about a year, the lower end android still suffer from that. but the higher end stuff running jellybean and the like are lightning fast, and the developer options can make the screen transitions even faster.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,861 ✭✭✭donspeekinglesh


    I support iPhones in work, and my personal phone is an S2 running the latest CM nightly. And I'd take the S2 over the iPhone any day. Nicer in every way.


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,601 ✭✭✭✭errlloyd


    Actually I do wonder if those stats are true for Ireland. I see a lot of people moving off iphone right now. Maybe it's just because it's been a while since an iPhone.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,940 ✭✭✭Corkfeen


    The cheap androids is definitely a major issue. I'd also suspect that many android adopters remain relatively unaware of how much greater the level of customisation is.

    I've been using Android since I got a HTC Desire a couple of years back and currently on HTC One. Can't see myself changing to another OS for the foreseeable future unless the other f developers step up their work.


  • Registered Users Posts: 681 ✭✭✭Killgore Trout


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    Drifting slightly off topic. Same applies to tablets. My brother bought his wife a cheap ass tablet and she complained about how bad it was. Completely different user experience to something like a Nexus 7/10.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,113 ✭✭✭homer911


    I had a family argument the other day on this topic...
    Its a well known fact that iOS users spend more on Apps than Android users.
    Its my opinion that more women buy iOS than men. :eek: Thoughts?


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,431 ✭✭✭Ivefoundgod


    errlloyd wrote: »
    Actually I do wonder if those stats are true for Ireland. I see a lot of people moving off iphone right now. Maybe it's just because it's been a while since an iPhone.

    The stats are for the US, not worldwide. I suppose it depends on your circle of friends, personally I've got more friends who own iPhones than Android and even people who don't have a smartphone want an iPhone. Then again, i'm 26 so maybe its my age group?

    homer911 wrote: »
    I had a family argument the other day on this topic...
    Its a well known fact that iOS users spend more on Apps than Android users.
    Its my opinion that more women buy iOS than men. :eek: Thoughts?

    Well the first statement is reported on regularly, I don't remember exact figures but there was a significant difference in average spend of iPhone user vs Android User.

    From what i've seen I would agree with the 2nd part, how true that is I don't know though.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Music Moderators, Politics Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 22,360 CMod ✭✭✭✭Dravokivich


    homer911 wrote: »
    I had a family argument the other day on this topic...
    Its a well known fact that iOS users spend more on Apps than Android users.
    Its my opinion that more women buy iOS than men. :eek: Thoughts?

    I'd expect it would be the main reason why someone would stick with a particular phone OS.

    I've paid in Android apps, that are transferable across all my android devices that support'em. So i've an invested interest in using Android. Buying something with iOS or Win8 means I may need to pay for similar Apps again. It'll take an awful lot for me to be able to do that.

    What I'm not too keen on with iOS is you are tied to Apple as a manufacturer. Whereas with Android/Win8 they are made by multiple manufacturers. So even being tied to the OS, I've still got a wide choice of which device I want to buy.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,521 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    I'd expect it would be the main reason why someone would stick with a particular phone OS.

    I've paid in Android apps, that are transferable across all my android devices that support'em. So i've an invested interest in using Android. Buying something with iOS or Win8 means I may need to pay for similar Apps again. It'll take an awful lot for me to be able to do that.

    What I'm not too keen on with iOS is you are tied to Apple as a manufacturer. Whereas with Android/Win8 they are made by multiple manufacturers. So even being tied to the OS, I've still got a wide choice of which device I want to buy.

    Some very valid points there.

    If more people pay for iOS apps (as the stats show) then surely they'll be more hesitant to switch OS in the future.

    The cheap Android device issue is also a massive reason.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,288 ✭✭✭Macy0161


    Just to echo earlier comments about the cheap android phones doing some damage. My missus wasn't convinced of the need for a smartphone, so she went for the Smart 2. It was totally eyes open that it was basic/ low memory etc, with a view whether she could justify upgrading to something better. However, if you were going in thinking you've got a cheap iphone then you probably would be disappointed (most of the issue is all the crap vodafone load up the phone with that can't be removed - when I get brave enough I'll root it!).

    There's also a lot of misconceptions around Android in general. At this time of the year when more and more schools go ipad, and try and justify that choice over Android, we here all the usual guff about ios being more stable, ios more restrictive for children, ipads better technology etc. Android being unstable isn't something I've experienced in the couple of years I've had a smartphone and a tablet, the average user won't be messing or exploiting androids customisation to a great degree (and what harm for our future if children do get that knowledge but with 4.3 there's restricted profiles available anyway), and there's simply no comparison in value for money between an ipad and a nexus 7. I suspect there's more to the ipad choice than technology, but still they're getting away with using the technology as an excuse in the media. They're charging parents upwards of €600 for an Ipad when I can walk out now and get a 16gb Nexus7 running 4.3 for under a €150. Madness.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,431 ✭✭✭Ivefoundgod


    Some very valid points there.

    If more people pay for iOS apps (as the stats show) then surely they'll be more hesitant to switch OS in the future.

    The cheap Android device issue is also a massive reason.

    Yeah but that works both ways, android users do still purchase apps that are not transferable to iOS/WP so if that was the main reason for an unwillingness to switch then android would hold users too. It'd be interesting to see the researchers ask the users why they switched to iOS from Android or vice versa.

    EDIT: Also, isn't it true that apps that are free on Android are paid on iOS? Could that be a reason for the higher spend on iOS?

    I've spent quite a bit on apps for my Nexus 7 and S3 but I would have no issue switching to iOS or WP if I thought it would suit me better. Buying apps again would not be a big enough factor to dissuade me.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,255 ✭✭✭tommy2bad


    fall like rain into the two big buckets about equally
    Er, no they dont; android has about 80% of the smartphone market, it's going to take a lot of switching to apple to get them anywhare like 50/50 share.
    http://www.siliconrepublic.com/digital-life/item/33735-android-has-almost-80pc-of

    I think the loyalty thing is mostly fanboys and people who are less than proficient with tech generally.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,431 ✭✭✭Ivefoundgod


    tommy2bad wrote: »
    Er, no they dont; android has about 80% of the smartphone market, it's going to take a lot of switching to apple to get them anywhare like 50/50 share.
    http://www.siliconrepublic.com/digital-life/item/33735-android-has-almost-80pc-of

    I think the loyalty thing is mostly fanboys and people who are less than proficient with tech generally.

    Those are worldwide figures, the original article is US market only


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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,969 ✭✭✭hardCopy


    Google need to add a standard docking system as part of the spec for full Google approved android devices. Some kind of combined micro usb and stereo jack at the base of the device. Even placing the stereo and usb side by side at a standard distance would mean third parties could make docking stations to play and charge multiple devices by different manufacturers.

    There's such a huge range of charging and docking accessories for ios devices that encourages people to buy Apple and stick with Apple.

    My dad loved his One-x but when it came to upgrade time he nearly bought the iPhone because it syncs with his BMW. He went with the S4 in the end, thankfully.

    Both of my sisters already have iPhones with docking stations and I can't see them being swayed to android any time soon.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,521 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    Yeah but that works both ways, android users do still purchase apps that are not transferable to iOS/WP so if that was the main reason for an unwillingness to switch then android would hold users too. It'd be interesting to see the researchers ask the users why they switched to iOS from Android or vice versa.

    Yes they do. The point is though that more people on iOS spend on apps, thus more people would have an impediment to changing operating system. Obviously there's people in the same position on Android, but not as many if they statistics are accurate.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,521 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    hardCopy wrote: »
    Google need to add a standard docking system as part of the spec for full Google approved android devices. Some kind of combined micro usb and stereo jack at the base of the device. Even placing the stereo and usb side by side at a standard distance would mean third parties could make docking stations to play and charge multiple devices by different manufacturers.

    There's such a huge range of charging and docking accessories for ios devices that encourages people to buy Apple and stick with Apple.

    My dad loved his One-x but when it came to upgrade time he nearly bought the iPhone because it syncs with his BMW. He went with the S4 in the end, thankfully.

    Both of my sisters already have iPhones with docking stations and I can't see them being swayed to android any time soon.

    Apple have changed their dock port also recently. A fairy crazy move.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,780 ✭✭✭Frank Lee Midere


    Yeah but that works both ways, android users do still purchase apps that are not transferable to iOS/WP so if that was the main reason for an unwillingness to switch then android would hold users too. It'd be interesting to see the researchers ask the users why they switched to iOS from Android or vice versa.

    EDIT: Also, isn't it true that apps that are free on Android are paid on iOS? Could that be a reason for the higher spend on iOS?

    I've spent quite a bit on apps for my Nexus 7 and S3 but I would have no issue switching to iOS or WP if I thought it would suit me better. Buying apps again would not be a big enough factor to dissuade me.

    The number of apps isn't a large factor, I would think, given the price. However I have quite a lot of purchased movies,and some music, on iOS so I will always have an iOS device of some sort. However, it could be an iTouch, rather than a phone.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,088 ✭✭✭SpaceTime


    krudler wrote: »
    I have both an iphone 4s and a samsung s3 as my spare phone, I mostly still use the iphone purely because of imessage, if there was a standard android messaging app aside from stuff like whatsapp and viber Id switch.
    .

    There is ... Google Hang Outs (formerly known as Google Talk)


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,431 ✭✭✭Ivefoundgod


    SpaceTime wrote: »
    There is ... Google Hang Outs (formerly known as Google Talk)

    Not quite the same though, Hangouts doesn't support SMS as of yet and as far as I know its not certain if it ever will.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,431 ✭✭✭Ivefoundgod


    The number of apps isn't a large factor, I would think, given the price. However I have quite a lot of purchased movies,and some music, on iOS so I will always have an iOS device of some sort. However, it could be an iTouch, rather than a phone.

    Ahhh, I hadn't thought of that. I've bought some music on Google Play but all of that can be transferred to iOS devices.

    EDIT: Quick google finds this http://bgr.com/2012/05/15/mobile-apps-ios-android-spending/ "70% of users spend little to nothing" in the App store so unlikely apps are whats keeping users on iOS


  • Registered Users Posts: 389 ✭✭ra0044


    Another issue with android over ios is literally the amount of swanky cases / acesories that you can buy for the iphone in lterally every shop you go in to for very little money.

    The average user considers this to be " customisation " and is happy being able to just change covers or put a nice case on there phone rather than working with the OS to get the phone working better to suit them.

    Also I think people have more what my friends call " niggles " with android which usually means they have inadvertantly messed something up or an app has altered a setting which they were unaware of and find it difficult to sort out.

    My wife although happy with her Sony xperia z looks enviously at her friends iphone cases and covers compared to the one she has which was one of only three we could find in a shop in Dublin and it is dull. She also wants an iphone to dock and stream music from because it is easy and convenient.

    These issues are on top of the ones already listed ie. crap low end android phones.


  • Registered Users Posts: 18,272 ✭✭✭✭Atomic Pineapple


    The premium aspect is what keeps people on iOS or what makes them switch, teenagers grow up wanting an iPhone for no other reason than they can show their friends they have an iPhone, this is evident throughout most age groups too, having an iPhone is a vanity thing for a large amount of the iOS user base.

    Even if someone gets an Android as their first smartphone they will still aim to get an iPhone when they can so they can be part of that prestige, Apple have done an amazing job in making sure this happens and that they control that premium market.

    When Apple release their budget range it will be interesting to see if that falters.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,925 ✭✭✭✭anncoates



    Even if someone gets an Android as their first smartphone they will still aim to get an iPhone when they can so they can be part of that prestiige


    As somebody who is on my 3rd high end Android phone, I'm intrigued to hear that deep down I'm subconsciously just killing time until I get an iPhone?


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