possible link central heating systems and soaring disease rates

That's my point no solid fuel fire place only gas ,oil rad don't know anything about them but if no power what shops will be open and will they have stocks to supply so many people same applies gas bottles

corkgsxr wrote: »

What about apartment's? Should everyone of them have a fire. Not possible

Average heat loss in house 25% attic apartment would retain more heat especially on lower floors ,the occupants would also be able to communicate with each other without exposing themselves elements .The main point is those in control have not done there job .i am not looking to cash in here I am just trying to highlight a few issues .most irish workers in trades spent years gaining experience and being shown by their boss's correct procedures and sharing there knowledge .Now we have guys checking people boilers for board gais who have no knowledge of plumbing but can get gas cert after a few weeks training if they can pay for courses .this is one of the many trades where this can happen and I personally think its wrong .This goes up the ladder architects were not controlled either and were allowed open and trade without having any practical experience some even had only done courses on Internet over weeks or months but because there was no set standard .Same applies to ministers Brian lenihan rip was a barrister what was he doing in charge of finance.By the way in case any of you think I am looking for plumbing work I am not a plumber but I have worked in conjunction with them over the years so I learned alot and was never afraid to ask questions . Since jan last year me and about ten other trades people are working on a "completed "50million project trying to rectify all the mistakes that were signed off on only 3 yrs ago by engineers and architects .some apartment doors can't even be opened hitting ground ,apartment waste pipe going into holes in ground .only discovered when back filled and leaked into apartment below .i could go on but main point is no one seems to be liable anymore I personly think anyone who signs off a project has to be liable because our life's and children's depend on proper enforcement .Now with people struggling to pay for houses that are not even safe to live in .People need to be informed if ther is a risk and the costs to fix mine € 40 in parts and basic knowledge of plumbing .If only 100000 house and apartments less than €20mil how much will it cost when 500,000 people start showing signs of illness ,I think looking at HPSC it is already happening .i need your help to try and get a scale of problem because I started working on sites at 15 I never completed school but don't be fooled into thinking I'm brain dead .i have taught my self from use of computers to working to most aspects of construction from tunnel work under the sea in Sydney for Phillp Holzmann to construction work as subcontractors with 5 lads in private residents the biggest of which is 15000sqfeet thats 15 semis. I believe work experience and common sense is worth more than any persons qualification if they have no hands on experience.

oikster wrote: »

Is that you Willie?

That's what she calls me aright .who's that?

corkgsxr wrote: »

if you cant heat a apartment the heat loss makes no differance.

i beg to differ if a house and a apartment have been heated to the same temp. say +20 and heating goes off it will take alot longer for the apartment to cool to outside temp. say -19.2 irish record
heat loss through wall 35%
heat loss through roof 25%
draught 15%
windows 10%
floors 15%
Terrace house 2 walls ,roof,draughts ,windows ,floor
semi 3 wall,roof,draughts,windows,floor
detached 4 walls ,roof,draught,windows,floor,
detached cools quickest 4 walls
most apartment max 2 walls,window,draughts,
if ground floor ,floor but no roof
if 1st floor no floor or roof
if top story no floor loss only roof loss
Body heat also factor apartment generally smaller area
plus alot of apartments share common area without having to leave building so better chance of communicating with others without exposure to outside Temp
whereas house one must open outside door letting in cold air to get or give help dropping temp further
So in conclusion better chance of survival in apartment ,having said that not sure about time frame but with exposure i think every second counts
I hope this makes sense and answers your post i knew answer but i just had to check the figures but give me a break pls i have to work as well i just made an assumption wrongly on my part that it was obvious .
By the way went scoil na nog ,Glanmire ,won county under 14 medal when eleven with them, they said would send on medal still waiting ,

DGOBS wrote: »

E. coli from the heating system? Did someone pooh in it first?
With Legionella, 60 deg water will kill it, so only found where low water temperatures are allowed (or uninsulated attic tanks maybe)

I don't disagree with most of what your saying, but as a plumbing standard from NSAI looks to be in the offing, maybe you should chat with team (SR50 revised?)

ecoli

your not a country boy then go into any field in the summer and look at a cow,horse,sheep, in cites horses,dogs,and cats pooh they will have one thing in common flies walking all over it, then same flies dies or walks in pipe,dung Beatle and other insects ,small rodents mice i have seen rats climb through a hole the size €2 coin ,alot of house built on agricultural land contaminated soil into pipe
system filled but not flushed. http://www.nature.com/news/e-coli-strain-linked-to-cancer-in-mice-1.11211
legionella this open my eyes
http://www.accepta.com/environmental-water-wastewater-knowledge/legionella-legionnaires-disease-knowledge/281-legionnaires-disease-domestic-hot-water-systems

water-borne diseases ,look closely at leptospirosis

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterborne_diseases#Viral_infections


i don't know how long these can live in a system but from what i know about nature it always finds a way to evolve and adapt. so why take a chance if a low cost fix is possible remember even a brand new valve can have a fault or leak ,and if manual operated can be forgotten ,phone rings ,get distracted ,i once collapsed "back seized up" opening door of jeep could not move for 15 mins.There are to many risks evolved

DGOBS i am sorry i did not in any way mean to belittle or offend you .I also assume you reference to OCD was not connected to my admission of alcohol addiction in an earlier post.I just put in links for backup in case people thought i was bullsxxing .
Before a system fitted and sealed pipes will have been stored in factory ,transported from wherever maybe even overseas and if so could be stored again awaiting customs inspection .Then transported to shops where stored again transported to sites after purchase .Stored again awaiting fitting .Then first fixed and end sometimes taped till floors pored at this stage they are exposed to the elements sometimes for weeks .Till house built and finally filled and sealed .This whole process could take months or even years. I would find it very hard to believe that at sometime in this whole process that there could
not at least be a possibility of exposure or ingress and secretion by insets such as bugs, flies,mice ,even the security dog takes a odd leak ,sometime soil gets in when pipe lying on ground beside trench's,
personal hygiene might also be difficult to maintain on some sites ,hands when fitting ,blood from cuts
So then system filled but NOT flushed

shane0007 wrote: »

I steam all my pipes before installing just after I put them under UV light for 24 hours to ensure they are safe.
Force of habit really....[/QUOTE