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Will the budget give us what we deserve?

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  • 14-11-2012 11:49am
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    wicorthered
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    While mass demonstrations and work stoppages are carried out throughout Europe today, we the good old obedient Irish, will just carry on as we are heading off into work. Sure we'll all have a moan about rising taxes, social welfare cuts blah blah blah, but when it comes to it we'll just accept the budget in January and move on.

    I know there's something planned for Nov 24th, but surely coordinating with the rest of Europe would be a more powerful statement. And I bet the march on the 24th barley gets 5,000 people.

    Are the cuts not hurting people as bad as it's being made out? Surely if people were actually on the bread line, there'd be enough outrage to lead to actual genuine protests?

    When the government knows there's no repercussions from a harsh budget, they're not going to hold back!

    I reckon the peoples lack of action, means we can't really complain about what the government do in December!


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    sfwcork
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,203 ✭✭✭sfwcork


    I agree and I pat your back

    Would you like anything else?


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    Valetta
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    Protesting will achieve nothing.


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    not yet
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    The ordinary P.A.Y.E worker will get hairy aped again, whilst the ''minority groups'' will be left alone. So in answer to your question yes we will get what we deserve because we sit back and take it.


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    maddragon
    Registered Users Posts: 590 ✭✭✭maddragon


    Valetta wrote: »
    Protesting will achieve nothing.

    Said one concentration camp inmate to the other...


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    bbam
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    Valetta wrote: »
    Protesting will achieve nothing.

    Isn't that what yer man in Syria keeps saying?


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    PauloMN
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    wicorthered wrote: »
    Are the cuts not hurting people as bad as it's being made out? Surely if people were actually on the bread line, there'd be enough outrage to lead to actual genuine protests?

    You answered your own question there largely.


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    BensonSlide
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    maddragon wrote: »
    Said one concentration camp inmate to the other...

    Are you comparing the struggles of the inmates of a concentration camp to our present economic challenges?


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    Spiritual
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    Apathy is the biggest problem in Ireland.


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    MistyCheese
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    "Deserve" is a concept created by humans. It doesn't have a lot of real-world value.


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    DeVore
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    You're right OP, we should be Greece. That's really worked for them.


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    SafeSurfer
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    Valetta wrote: »
    Protesting will achieve nothing.


    Not true. When the pensioners took to the streets following budget cuts that affected them the government performed a swift volte face.

    The people have power. We just don't use it.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



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    Spiritual
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    DeVore wrote: »
    You're right OP, we should be Greece. That's really worked for them.

    Quiet Capitalist.:D


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    Scanlas The 2nd
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    wicorthered wrote: »
    While mass demonstrations and work stoppages are carried out throughout Europe today, we the good old obedient Irish, will just carry on as we are heading off into work. Sure we'll all have a moan about rising taxes, social welfare cuts blah blah blah, but when it comes to it we'll just accept the budget in January and move on.

    I know there's something planned for Nov 24th, but surely coordinating with the rest of Europe would be a more powerful statement. And I bet the march on the 24th barley gets 5,000 people.

    Are the cuts not hurting people as bad as it's being made out? Surely if people were actually on the bread line, there'd be enough outrage to lead to actual genuine protests?

    When the government knows there's no repercussions from a harsh budget, they're not going to hold back!

    I reckon the peoples lack of action, means we can't really complain about what the government do in December!

    Do you have any alternatives to reduce our fiscal deficit?

    Protesters without alternatives really p1ss me off. It's like listening to a baby that won't stop crying or an incessant house alarm. It wears you down.


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    Duggy747
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    It's a budget Ireland deserves, but not the one we need right now.....










    Wait..........sugar tax? Fack off, ya kant!!


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    Lenin Skynard
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    SafeSurfer wrote: »
    Not true. When the pensioners took to the streets following budget cuts that affected them the government performed a swift volte face.

    The people have power. We just don't use it.

    And they rolled back on some of the home help cuts for the disabled not long ago after a very-small scale protest. The last thing this government wants is visible demonstration on the streets. It would burst the whole farcical balloon that Enda has created with his European overlords.


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    maddragon
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    BensonSlide wrote: »
    Are you comparing the struggles of the inmates of a concentration camp to our present economic challenges?

    No, I'm saying that protesting is an extremely important part of democracy because if things keep sliding here the way they are now, we'll all be back in mudhuts with outside toilets in 20 years. Of course the government will keep riding us like Shergar until we the people call a halt and force them to find another way.


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    Spiritual
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    A good move which would convince me that the austerity is working would be if the people that are responsible for destroying our country were held to account.
    Be it long jail time for those that acted criminally and loss of future earnings for those that were negligent in their roles.

    I have paid for their errors with the loss of my livelihood.


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    maddragon
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    Scanlas The 2nd wrote: »
    Do you have any alternatives to reduce our fiscal deficit?

    Protesters without alternatives really p1ss me off. It's like listening to a baby that won't stop crying or an incessant house alarm. It wears you down.

    It is the job of the government to find an alternative otherwise they can fuxk off and I'll pay my taxes directly to Berlin and cut out the middleman.


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    BensonSlide
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    Lenin Skynard wrote: »
    It would burst the whole farcical balloon that Enda has created with his European overlords.

    Impressive use of hyperbole.

    How do you suggest we plug a €12 billion hole between what we pay out compared to what we take in? How will large scale protest and demonstration make this problem go away?


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    not yet
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    How can any country prosper or grow when the welfare bill is 75% of the tax take. We need as a country to get the SW bill under control.


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    Sofiztikated
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    SafeSurfer wrote: »
    Not true. When the pensioners took to the streets following budget cuts that affected them the government performed a swift volte face.

    The people have power. We just don't use it.

    And then what? What the **** are we supposed? Money is draining out of the bucket. Yes, plugging the hole will fix it, but in the mean time, we have to keep pouring money in to stop the bucket emptying completely.


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    Where To
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    I'm only worried that the budget won't be harsh enough.

    It would be good for people to see what real hardship is.


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    SafeSurfer
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    Sofiztikated wrote: »
    And then what? What the **** are we supposed? Money is draining out of the bucket. Yes, plugging the hole will fix it, but in the mean time, we have to keep pouring money in to stop the bucket emptying completely.

    Well for a start how about asking financial institutions to make a contribution. How about the government sticking to self imposed pay caps, instead of ministers like Leo Varadkar seeking a €400,000 salary for the new Dublin Airport Authority boss despite a €250,000 pay cap. How about we start there?

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2224179/Varadkar-tried-break-pay-cap-airport-boss-new-DAA-boss-accepted-job-Howlin-blocked-giant-salary.html

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



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    not yet
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    Where To wrote: »
    I'm only worried that the budget won't be harsh enough.

    It would be good for people to see what real hardship is.

    Why would it be good for people to see real hardship as you put.


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    SafeSurfer
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    Where To wrote: »
    I'm only worried that the budget won't be harsh enough.

    It would be good for people to see what real hardship is.

    When you say it would be good for "people" to experience real hardship do you include yourself or just lesser "people"?

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



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    Monty Burnz
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    I love this delusion that our austerity is a free policy choice, as if we could spend way more and tax less if we so choose.

    Presumably the people protesting austerity in this country also harangue tramps about their poor standard of clothing, hygiene and choice of dwelling, pointing out that Brown Thomas and the Shelbourne Hotel are only 5 minutes walk away.


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    SafeSurfer
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    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    I love this delusion that our austerity is a free policy choice, as if we could spend way more and tax less if we so choose.

    Presumably the people protesting austerity in this country also harangue tramps about their poor standard of clothing, hygiene and choice of dwelling, pointing out that Brown Thomas and the Shelbourne Hotel are only 5 minutes walk away.

    Or we could advise said begger to stop handing over wads of his cash to a bust bank and buy himself a coat.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



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    Monty Burnz
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    Lenin Skynard wrote: »
    And they rolled back on some of the home help cuts for the disabled not long ago after a very-small scale protest. The last thing this government wants is visible demonstration on the streets. It would burst the whole farcical balloon that Enda has created with his European overlords.
    So wealthy pensioners kept their pensions, meaning deeper cuts had to made to other services. Robbing Peter to pay Paul.


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    AEDIC
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    Spiritual wrote: »
    Apathy is the biggest problem in Ireland.

    Meh...


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    Monty Burnz
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    SafeSurfer wrote: »
    Or we could advise said begger to stop handing over wads of his cash to a bust bank and buy himself a coat.
    So you are persisting with the fiction that the bank bailouts are the problem, rather than the current account deficit?

    You are either being dishonest or are very badly informed.


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