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Will Obama Go Down As The Greatest US President Ever??

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    #32
    Chuck Stone
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    Certainly not.

    His presidency has been a bit of a damp squid.
    squib.


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    #33
    Herb Powell
    Registered Users Posts: 3,097 ✭✭✭Herb Powell


    Chuck Stone wrote: »
    Certainly not.

    His presidency has been a bit of a damp squid.
    squib.

    EXCELLENT


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    #34
    Chuck Stone
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    Herb Powell wrote: »
    EXCELLENT

    Or should I have said his 2nd term.

    ;)


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    #35
    awec
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    Not even close. His presidency has been a major let down with a poor legislative agenda.

    The greatest ever US President when there's a decent chance he'll not get a second term? Nuts.


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    #36
    geetar
    Registered Users Posts: 469 ✭✭geetar


    DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »
    Irish people have a very black and white view to American politics.

    Republicans = bad
    Democrats = good.

    most of the western world is the same to be honest. irelands a relatively liberal country, and leans to the left politically so there's no surprises there.

    also, Romney is one of, if not the worst republican candidate in history. i hope to christ the americans dont let the whole world down.


    as for obama being the greatest? not a chance, thus far anyway. he regenerated a Kennedy style enthusiasm globally for sure, but he has not delivered the punch. Clinton will probably take that crown, but with another term, and a bit of time to reflect on what he's done, I'm sure Obama will go down as one of the greats.


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    #37
    Gbear
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    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    Obama will Go Down As The last US President Ever. :)

    Nonsense.

    Sure in 2016 it'll be Lizard-Alien-New-World-Order McGee who'll sweep in in a blizzard of mandatory abortionplexs and gulags for political dissidents.


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    #38
    awec
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    If he wasn't guaranteed the black vote this would be a no-contest.

    I personally know friends in the US who are registered democrats who will be voting Romney. The guy has been a failure.


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    #39
    geetar
    Registered Users Posts: 469 ✭✭geetar


    awec wrote: »
    If he wasn't guaranteed the black vote this would be a no-contest.

    I personally know friends in the US who are registered democrats who will be voting Romney. The guy has been a failure.

    if romney wasnt guaranteed the white conservative vote this would be a no contest. :rolleyes:


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    #40
    awec
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    geetar wrote: »
    if romney wasnt guaranteed the white conservative vote this would be a no contest. :rolleyes:
    You are missing the point.


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    #41
    positron
    Registered Users Posts: 6,283 ✭✭✭positron


    Obama's role in American history would be crucial and will be talked about for generations. This is not just because what he did in office, it's just the fact that he could get elected - not white, not rich, and even has a Muslim father. Ireland, as much as you would like to pretend otherwise, is a very pro-USA society, along with most of the Western World. However, rest of the world - which is majority by the way - Americans electing Obama to office has been received as a tremendously significant and supremely positive moment, and has had a massive impact on how they think of America. Most Irish people, Americans or Western world in general, naturally can not fully understand this perception shift because they are not a part of that non-Western society. This is why Obama is a great president, and this is exactly why he won the Nobel Prize weeks after starting on the job.

    Just my 0.02 of some foreign currency coins worth.


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    #42
    awec
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    positron wrote: »
    Obama's role in American history would be crucial and will be talked about for generations. This is not just because what he did in office, it's just the fact that he could get elected - not white, not rich, and even has a Muslim father. Ireland, as much as you would like to pretend otherwise, is a very pro-USA society, along with most of the Western World. However, rest of the world - which is majority by the way - Americans electing Obama to office has been received as a tremendously significant and supremely positive moment, and has had a massive impact on how they think of America. Most Irish people, Americans or Western world in general, naturally can not fully understand this perception shift because they are not a part of that non-Western society. This is why Obama is a great president, and this is exactly why he won the Nobel Prize weeks after starting on the job.

    Just my 0.02 of some foreign currency coins worth.

    Basically you are saying Obama is a great president and won the nobel peace prize because he is black and has a muslim dad.

    I'm sure he'd be delighted to know that's why he got elected and won that award, and not on his own merit.


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    #43
    Run_to_da_hills
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    Fishooks12 wrote: »
    Idiotic post

    What of Bill Clinton? A brilliant economic mind and the first American president to balance the budget for decades

    He also had the highest approval rating of any president leaving office since they began taking poll data
    And his wife who has a sinister and evil mind made up for it.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UExUDUuQuro


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    #44
    positron
    Registered Users Posts: 6,283 ✭✭✭positron


    awec wrote: »
    Basically you are saying Obama is a great president and won the nobel peace prize because he is black and has a muslim dad.

    I'm sure he'd be delighted to know that's why he got elected and won that award, and not on his own merit.

    That's a really bad way of looking at what I said - and a shame if that's how you comprehend things in general. I was stating why his Presidency is so significant in the current geo-political-mess, and that does not take away anything from him, in fact everything I said is just praise for Obama achieving what he did against the odds I listed.

    Anywhoo, may be you were just winding me up - 'll leave it at that so.


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    #45
    CruelCoin
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    His only achievement: Healthcare, with a ****load of pork attached.

    Ballooning unemployment, shrinking public revenue, ballooning public debt, etc.

    He's terrible. Very good at the hopey-wishey stuff, but good for very little else.


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    #46
    awec
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    positron wrote: »
    That's a really bad way of looking at what I said - and a shame if that's how you comprehend things in general. I was stating why his Presidency is so significant in the current geo-political-mess, and that does not take away anything from him, in fact everything I said is just praise for Obama achieving what he did against the odds I listed.

    Anywhoo, may be you were just winding me up - 'll leave it at that so.
    That IS what you said.

    You said he is a great president not for what he has done but for the precedence that was set by his election. That is a nice way of saying that he is a good president because he is black and has muslim heritage.


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    #47
    Underpaid Mike
    Registered Users Posts: 852 ✭✭✭Underpaid Mike


    If he wasnt black he would be slated from all angles
    Its affirmative action gone crazy if you ask me


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    #48
    geetar
    Registered Users Posts: 469 ✭✭geetar


    CruelCoin wrote: »
    His only achievement: Healthcare, with a ****load of pork attached.

    Ballooning unemployment, shrinking public revenue, ballooning public debt, etc.

    He's terrible. Very good at the hopey-wishey stuff, but good for very little else.

    youre speaking gibberish.

    unemployment has decreased steadily under him. its now at 7.9%, in 2008 he promised at least 8% in his term, and over 170,000 jobs were created in october, in comparison to the average loss of 750,000 jobs per month at the height of the recession.

    dont be making the wishey washy statements that arent true.

    he was given a plate of shíte and he made it edible, but people are still complaining about the taste.


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    #49
    Underpaid Mike
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    positron wrote: »
    That's a really bad way of looking at what I said - and a shame if that's how you comprehend things in general. I was stating why his Presidency is so significant in the current geo-political-mess, and that does not take away anything from him, in fact everything I said is just praise for Obama achieving what he did against the odds I listed.

    Anywhoo, may be you were just winding me up - 'll leave it at that so.

    Your post is exactly why he is a joke of a president, the colour of his skin should be irrelevant, show me a single achievement he has had in 4 years?
    Nobel prize after 4 weeks in office was simple pandering before you try and say it.


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    #50
    Underpaid Mike
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    geetar wrote: »
    youre speaking gibberish.

    unemployment has decreased steadily under him. its now at 7.9%, in 2008 he promised at least 8% in his term, and over 170,000 jobs were created in october, in comparison to the average loss of 750,000 jobs per month at the height of the recession.

    dont be making the wishey washy statements that arent true.

    he was given a plate of shíte and he made it edible, but people are still complaining about the taste.

    14.7% of the US population are unemployed
    Granted there is a global recession but the economy isnt exactly something he should be proud of now is it?
    And dont say someone else would not have done better, thats conjecture.
    Fact is 14.7% of the total country are out of work which is shocking


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    #51
    Teyla Emmagan
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    Only if he massively ups his game in the next 4 years. Which seems unlikely, even if he does get back in.

    So far it's all a bit of a washout really.


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    #52
    geetar
    Registered Users Posts: 469 ✭✭geetar


    Underpaid Mike wrote: »
    Your post is exactly why he is a joke of a president, the colour of his skin should be irrelevant, show me a single achievement he has had in 4 years?
    Nobel prize after 4 weeks in office was simple pandering before you try and say it.

    the nobel prize isnt something that democrats even mention, so why are you bringing it up? the whole world was a bit wierded out by it, and nobody claims it to be one of Obamas great accomplishments.

    scroll through this website for a while. the man has done an awful lot.

    http://whatthe****hasobamadonesofar.com/

    edit: youll have to replace the **** with fuck


    history was made because he was the first black president, but your using that very fact to condemn his actual achievements during his presidency. he has done more then George Bush, more then what John McCain would have, and hopefully will be allowed do more then Romney ever could.


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    #53
    El Tarangu
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    Fishooks12 wrote: »
    Idiotic post

    What of Bill Clinton? A brilliant economic mind and the first American president to balance the budget for decades

    He also had the highest approval rating of any president leaving office since they began taking poll data

    And no (major) foreign wars on his watch.

    And RTDH - would you ever cop on to yourself?


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    #54
    Underpaid Mike
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    The only things i can think of that he has done of note in his presidency are
    1) kill bin laden
    2) obamacare

    #2 is a disaster and will have to be repealed because a broke country cannot finance universal healthcare. Its simple economics
    #1 was the result of a war he criticised on a number of occasions

    So what exactly has he done, i mean hard facts here?
    And this is not a democrat vs republican thing, im a huge clinton fan for all his faults

    Educate yourself, the president of the USA shouldnt be know for his likeable personality and endorsements from celebs, it should because of his actions and what he has contributed. Says a lot that he is about to be relected, reminds me of bertie ahearn in this joke of a country. Everybody loved him at the time too

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/jonathanhorn/2012/06/05/obama-runs-from-his-failed-presidency-as-fast-as-he-can/


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    #55
    Rhyme
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    Cybercubed wrote: »
    But its hardly a ringing endorsement to lose the popular vote to someone like Mitt Romney if you're going to be one of the greatest presidents ever!

    That doesn't stain the quality of Obama's term in my opinion. A large part of America is incapable of self-rule.


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    #56
    The_Kew_Tour
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    Clinton was a great President.

    When he went into doing something(like troubles in North) he got it done proper.

    Would love to have been a fly in the room when he had that meeting with Gerry Adams. because whatever he said Adams was totally different man after it.


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    #57
    Turtyturd
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    Has anyone said no yet?


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    #58
    geetar
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    Underpaid Mike wrote: »
    14.7% of the US population are unemployed
    Granted there is a global recession but the economy isnt exactly something he should be proud of now is it?
    And dont say someone else would not have done better, thats conjecture.
    Fact is 14.7% of the total country are out of work which is shocking

    i dont know where youre getting that figure from.

    its actually 7.9% at the moment, and that is adjusted to ignore the seasonal spike in jobs.

    http://www.wbir.com/news/article/240296/16/171000-jobs-added-in-Oct-unemployment-rate-79

    theres a nice graph here showing the steady decline in employment

    http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-states/unemployment-rate


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    #59
    Underpaid Mike
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    Look up U6 and U3 employment like a good lad.
    Come back when you know what you are talking about.
    True unemployment rate in the US is 14.7%

    Edit to attach a nice graph of what impact he has had on unemployment
    http://portalseven.com/employment/unemployment_rate_u6.jsp


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    #60
    geetar
    Registered Users Posts: 469 ✭✭geetar


    Underpaid Mike wrote: »
    Look up U6 and U3 employment like a good lad.
    Come back when you know what you are talking about.
    True unemployment rate in the US is 14.7%

    Edit to attach a nice graph of what impact he has had on unemployment
    http://portalseven.com/employment/unemployment_rate_u6.jsp

    ah nice one, trying to be condescending always make you look smart.


    the U6 isnt true unemployment, that's misleading beause it also takes people who arent actively looking for work, but are in the work force into account.

    either way you look at it both figures are on the decline. and FYI, your U6 value is now 14.6%

    and its a bit ignorant to post a graph which peaks due to things out of obamas control.

    the graph i posted was showing obamas plan coming into action, and working. the first 2 years of unemployment growth was a hangover of the bush administration and the economic crisis, both things out of the presidents control.

    with all your criticisms of obama, could you enlighten us all how you would have done things differently, or been in any way more effective?

    do you honestly support Romney's economic plan? because if you do, i highly doubt you have any credible economic insight into this discussion


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    #61
    Underpaid Mike
    Registered Users Posts: 852 ✭✭✭Underpaid Mike


    geetar wrote: »
    ah nice one, trying to be condescending always make you look smart.


    the U6 isnt true unemployment, that's misleading beause it also takes people who arent actively looking for work, but are in the work force into account.

    either way you look at it both figures are on the decline. and FYI, your U6 value is now 14.6%

    and its a bit ignorant to post a graph which peaks due to things out of obamas control.

    the graph i posted was showing obamas plan coming into action, and working. the first 2 years of unemployment growth was a hangover of the bush administration and the economic crisis, both things out of the presidents control.

    with all your criticisms of obama, could you enlighten us all how you would have done things differently, or been in any way more effective?

    do you honestly support Romney's economic plan? because if you do, i highly doubt you have any credible economic insight into this discussion

    The Bureau of Labor Statistics also calculates six alternate measures of unemployment, U1 through U6, that measure different aspects of unemployment:[41]
    U1:[42] Percentage of labor force unemployed 15 weeks or longer.
    U2: Percentage of labor force who lost jobs or completed temporary work.
    U3: Official unemployment rate per the ILO definition occurs when people are without jobs and they have actively looked for work within the past four weeks.[1]
    U4: U3 + "discouraged workers", or those who have stopped looking for work because current economic conditions make them believe that no work is available for them.
    U5: U4 + other "marginally attached workers", or "loosely attached workers", or those who "would like" and are able to work, but have not looked for work recently.
    U6: U5 + Part-time workers who want to work full-time, but cannot due to economic reasons


    Can you explain to me why the unemployment rate is not U6 exactly?
    Our unemployment rate is calculated using the U6 measurement here in Ireland
    Also how exactly does a country with close to 5 trillion in debt finance another stimulus package, hire new teachers, continue to rapidly expand its government and finance universal healthcare?
    To me those are the "achievements" of Obama. Socialist policies in the most capitalist country on earth. Baffling


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