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Is Atheism a religion?

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    #302
    Malpaisian
    Registered Users Posts: 136 ✭✭Malpaisian


    Dades wrote: »
    I have to agree with this.

    Malpaisian, I'm starting to suspect you're either a troll or have zero interest in opinions or facts that conflict with your preconceptions.

    I could just as easily say the same about many of the people on this thread especially those who think "conspiracy theorists" should be shut out of general discourse and those who jump to simple and neat conclusions such as me being religious.


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    #303
    coffee_cake
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    Malpaisian wrote: »
    I could just as easily say the same about many of the people on this thread especially those who think "conspiracy theorists" should be shut out of general discourse and those who jump to simple and neat conclusions such as me being religious.

    CT is a public forum, there is nothing shut out about it

    you are calling the atheists and agnostics of this forum religious, so how that applies to them and not you under the same arguments ...


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    #304
    Malpaisian
    Registered Users Posts: 136 ✭✭Malpaisian


    bluewolf wrote: »
    and yet exhibits all the characteristics he dislikes of religion

    *Challenging the prescribed wisdom is not a charachteristic of religion
    *Allowing yourself to believe that much of what you were brought up to believe and much of what you are lead to believe now may welll be bullsh1t is not a charachteristic of religion. (There is no comfort in it at all)
    *Refusing to seek the comfort of others who would readily agree with me in the CT forum is not a charachteristic of religion.
    *Posing uncomfortable questions is not a charachteristic of religion


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    #305
    Sarky
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    And as soon as you do any of those things we'll let you know.


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    #306
    coffee_cake
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Politics Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 81,309 CMod ✭✭✭✭coffee_cake


    What difficult questions? All you do is tell everyone they're fundies, refuse to engage in any meaningful discussion, throw around more ad hominems, complain that you're being persecuted because nobody agrees with you


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    #307
    Turtwig
    Registered Users Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Malpaisian wrote: »
    *A desire to jump to simple and convenient conclusions ( Malpaisian must be religious)

    Firstly,.who said you must be religious?

    Secondly, I'm glad you found a way to be superior to everyone.

    If Dades or Rob don't lock this thread then I'd like to reply to the posts on science but alas unfortunately at the moment I don't have the time.:(


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    #308
    Bannasidhe
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    bluewolf wrote: »
    What difficult questions? All you do is tell everyone they're fundies, refuse to engage in any meaningful discussion, throw around more ad hominems, complain that you're being persecuted because nobody agrees with you

    But - and let us make this perfectly clear - we are the ones who behave as if we were religious. :rolleyes:


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    #309
    coffee_cake
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    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    But - and let us make this perfectly clear - we are the ones who behave as if we were religious. :rolleyes:

    Having a religion & not being atheist, and being told by some individual I'm atheistic to the point of being religious is extremely amusing


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    #310
    Dades
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    Malpaisian, you are what is known in the trade as a "time-sink".

    If your next post doesn't contain something like a response to the valid points many people have made, then it will be your last in this thread.

    Your continued assertions and selective quoting are now just tiresome.


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    #311
    Turtwig
    Registered Users Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    bluewolf wrote: »
    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    But - and let us make this perfectly clear - we are the ones who behave as if we were religious. :rolleyes:

    Having a religion & not being atheist, and being told by some individual I'm atheistic to the point of being religious is extremely amusing

    But you are also atheist :p. Don't deny it blue you're one of us now : Assimilation complete!

    **Please insert Borg image here**


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    #312
    coffee_cake
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    I duno, I'm holding out hope that Kali is out there :cool:

    I think the more I read from religious people the more headed toward atheist I get :rolleyes:


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    #313
    Sarky
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    Jernal wrote: »
    **Please insert Borg image here**



    bjork-and-a-polar-bear.jpg

    Am I doing it wrong?


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    #314
    Bannasidhe
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    Sarky wrote: »

    Am I doing it wrong?

    Yes. :rolleyes:

    It's 471px-Bj%C3%B6rn_Borg2.jpg


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    #315
    Sonics2k
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    Odin dammit, Bannasidhe beat me to it!


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    #316
    Turtwig
    Registered Users Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Omg I love you guys. Wasn't expecting those Borg pics. Made my day.:)


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    #317
    Zombrex
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    Malpaisian wrote: »
    So you and those who agree with you are the holders of infinte wisdom and absolute truth.

    I wouldn't call my knowledge infinite nor absolute. But it is relatively easy to assess that I understand science better than you. If you genuinely are interested in discussion, exchange of ideas and perhaps even learning something, then listening to those who know more about a subject than you do (and who are patient enough to be willing to explaining it to you rather than simply dismissing you as you seem to dismiss others) would seem the wise course of action.
    Malpaisian wrote: »
    You are truly deluded if you think you have "corrected" anything I've said.

    I can point out what I corrected again for you if you like.

    Of course to learn anything from that you have to be willing to accept that you might have made a mistake or error. I wouldn't expect you to take my word for it, but at the very least you should be able to independently research what we have told you. That would of course require that you accept that what you said might not have been "absolute truth".

    Again you make odd statements accusing us of the arrogance of thinking we are completely right while at the same time dismissing any errors in your statements as delusions on our part, rather than mistakes on yours even when posters are more than happy to explain the errors in detail. If there is a lack of interest it seems to be on your part rather than ours, yet you claim we are dismissing you.
    Malpaisian wrote: »
    "corrected"! Even your language is dogmatic. Dogma, another characteristic of fundamenalist religion.

    I'm not sure you understand what dogmatic means. It means adhering strictly to a set of doctrine. Correcting errors and mistakes you have made in your posts is simply correcting errors and mistakes in your posts.
    Malpaisian wrote: »
    If you say so. I bow to your higher wisdom,

    But let's recap.

    When I started this thread, I asked the question - "Is Atheism a religion?"

    Well through the ensuing pages of responses people have displayed:

    *Blind faith
    *Arrogance
    *A desire to jump to simple and convenient conclusions ( Malpaisian must be religious)
    *A desire to silence or ostracize those who question the prescribed wisdom
    *A desire to believe that everything is just as they are told it is by authority
    *Possession of the absolute truth
    *Dogma
    *Groupthink


    These are all classic charachteristics of religion and the religious. So I'll leave you with this question:

    Is atheism a religion?

    Over and out

    Malpaisian (an agnostic who dislikes religions)

    So rather than engage you simply restate your original rhetorical question and leave the discussion, while at the same time complaining that we are dogmatic and adhering to group think. Again all rather odd, demonstrating to me that you never had any real interest in a discussion but rather thought you had some how found a "got'cha" for us atheists.

    I think after 22 pages, countless posts from a range of posters, if you defensively throw your toys out of the pram and leave holding exactly the same view that you started with then perhaps it is not us who are adhering to a preconceived established view point, but rather yourself.

    But of course only you can answer that question.


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    #318
    Dades
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    ^^
    What an excellent summation. :)


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    #319
    celticcrash
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    Malpaisian 1 Militant atheists 0


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    #320
    Gbear
    Registered Users Posts: 12,775 ✭✭✭✭Gbear


    Leinster 12 Ulster 72

    We can all make up scores if we don't watch the match.


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    #321
    Turtwig
    Registered Users Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    celticcrash wrote: »
    Malpaisian 1 Militant atheists 0

    And there right there in that very statement is everything that is wrong with some people who come on this board. If your aim is to 'win' then go out and enter formal debates, don't bother wasting your time here where the aim is to communicate and discuss stuff. It's not about winning; it's about understanding.


    (Unless of course you were referring to the score in possible troll match-ups?)


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    #322
    Delirium
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    celticcrash wrote: »
    Malpaisian 1 Militant atheists 0

    Thanks for taking roll-call :P:pac:

    If you can read this, you're too close!



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    #323
    MrPudding
    Registered Users Posts: 9,788 ✭✭✭MrPudding


    Gbear wrote: »
    Leinster 12 Ulster 72

    We can all make up scores if we don't watch the match.

    I was at that match. Born in NI but lived in Dublin for 8 years. Was somewhat conflicted.

    MrP


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    #324
    ShooterSF
    Registered Users Posts: 8,824 ✭✭✭ShooterSF


    MrPudding wrote: »
    Gbear wrote: »
    Leinster 12 Ulster 72

    We can all make up scores if we don't watch the match.

    I was at that match. Born in NI but lived in Dublin for 8 years. Was somewhat conflicted.

    MrP
    Fret not for its not even a real sport.

    *heads back to man United thread *


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    #325
    DuPLeX
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    Mark Hamill wrote: »
    So now not only is atheism a religion, but peer review is meaningless? Why is it that people come up with the most imaginative bull**** only for things they actively try not to understand? Do you actually understand what "peer review" means? What it entails? Do you have a picture of someone having their mates down the pub look at their research or something? Try looking up what it means.

    "Peer review is a process of self-regulation by a profession or a process of evaluation involving qualified individuals within the relevant field."

    Maybe its you who does not understand ? I DID NOT mention mates down the pub or any such scenario ....YOU DID !
    I believe I drew the analogy of a group of Clergy all reading and agreeing a particular Doctrine.They are all well read Intelligent men who have a firm grasp of the subject matter in hand .They may not all have the same view point but they will work to come to a consensus which will work for them and their paymasters (the church) and then they pass this dogma on to the unquestioning public,who will accept it (more or less) the Peer review process works in the same way producing the similar Scientific dogma for similar reasons.. If the peer review process has any more validity than this then please point out how and don't resort to more childish nonsense.
    And Don't bother with the "Oh it's Scientific" line I am sure other religions have their catch-all Phrases such as "It's the word of God " and such ..

    The rest of your reply to my post was undeserving of a response ......


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    #326
    CerebralCortex
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    DuPLeX wrote: »
    "Peer review is a process of self-regulation by a profession or a process of evaluation involving qualified individuals within the relevant field."

    Maybe its you who does not understand ? I DID NOT mention mates down the pub or any such scenario ....YOU DID !
    I believe I drew the analogy of a group of Clergy all reading and agreeing a particular Doctrine.They are all well read Intelligent men who have a firm grasp of the subject matter in hand .They may not all have the same view point but they will work to come to a consensus which will work for them and their paymasters (the church) and then they pass this dogma on to the unquestioning public,who will accept it (more or less) the Peer review process works in the same way producing the similar Scientific dogma for similar reasons.. If the peer review process has any more validity than this then please point out how and don't resort to more childish nonsense.
    And Don't bother with the "Oh it's Scientific" line I am sure other religions have their catch-all Phrases such as "It's the word of God " and such ..

    The rest of your reply to my post was undeserving of a response ......

    Aaammm because science actually works? Maybe? Builds computers etc? No?


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    #327
    smokingman
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    DuPLeX wrote: »
    "Peer review is a process of self-regulation by a profession or a process of evaluation involving qualified individuals within the relevant field."

    Maybe its you who does not understand ? I DID NOT mention mates down the pub or any such scenario ....YOU DID !
    I believe I drew the analogy of a group of Clergy all reading and agreeing a particular Doctrine.They are all well read Intelligent men who have a firm grasp of the subject matter in hand .They may not all have the same view point but they will work to come to a consensus which will work for them and their paymasters (the church) and then they pass this dogma on to the unquestioning public,who will accept it (more or less) the Peer review process works in the same way producing the similar Scientific dogma for similar reasons.. If the peer review process has any more validity than this then please point out how and don't resort to more childish nonsense.
    And Don't bother with the "Oh it's Scientific" line I am sure other religions have their catch-all Phrases such as "It's the word of God " and such ..

    The rest of your reply to my post was undeserving of a response ......

    A bunch of cardinals would not however be trying to disprove any hypothesis though. "Jesus is great, move on and now how do we do the HR bit?" That's not peer review or anything like it.


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    #328
    DuPLeX
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    CerebralCortex wrote: »
    Aaammm because science actually works? Maybe? Builds computers etc? No?
    Ok I'm gonna be clear here . for you.. Science didn't Build computers any more than God built the Cistene chapel , People did ! ...An if you are suggesting that because we have Computers of Iphones that we should believe unquestioningly every line of dogma handed down by Science or some Guy in a lab coat . Then Congratulations! You are Religious.. :)


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    #329
    DuPLeX
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    smokingman wrote: »
    A bunch of cardinals would not however be trying to disprove any hypothesis though. "Jesus is great, move on and now how do we do the HR bit?" That's not peer review or anything like it.

    You believe that a peer review process is about trying to disprove a hypothesis ? you have much faith ....
    "Science is great , everyone should believe !" Now how can we make some money out of this ?


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    #330
    smokingman
    Registered Users Posts: 3,738 ✭✭✭smokingman


    DuPLeX wrote: »
    You believe that a peer review process is about trying to disprove a hypothesis ? you have much faith ....
    "Science is great , everyone should believe !" Now how can we make some money out of this ?

    You really don't have any idea what peer review is, do you?


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    #331
    DuPLeX
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    smokingman wrote: »
    You really don't have any idea what peer review is, do you?
    Yes I do! and that is why I don't confer on it the level of infallibility that you seem to ...
    But if you have some information which you feel you should share on the peer review process and what makes it so infallible and incorruptible . then feel free .
    But condescending comments like "you really don't have any idea do you ?"
    designed to make you feel clever (supposedly at my expense) just wont cut it with me.
    so give it some thought ....


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