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Ireland Team Talk/Gossip/Rumour Thread

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    #4082
    Teferi
    Registered Users Posts: 6,320 ✭✭✭Teferi


    ROG has been having a pretty poor season since the beginning of the World Cup. His style of rugby is easily countered now and Munster no longer have the Wallace pack to babysit him. Cracking accuracy from a mark but has been spotty with kicks from hand. I'm not saying he is done but Munster and Ireland need to start phasing him out soonish or they'll only be having a mare in a season or two.


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    #4083
    jm08
    Registered Users Posts: 11,300 ✭✭✭✭jm08


    Fishooks12 wrote: »
    10's are normally charged with unlocking defenses

    Sextons put plenty of good defenses to the sword this season

    Like who? Munster's defence hasn't been great this season, but Leinster didn't manage to put Munster to the sword (all penalties & drop goals;))


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    #4084
    Fishooks12
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,318 ✭✭✭Fishooks12


    jm08 wrote: »
    Like who? Munster's defence hasn't been great this season, but Leinster didn't manage to put Munster to the sword (all penalties & drop goals;))

    Cardiff, Clermont, Italy, Bath, Scotland.........basically every game sextons played


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    #4085
    rrpc
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    jm08 wrote: »
    Like who? Munster's defence hasn't been great this season, but Leinster didn't manage to put Munster to the sword (all penalties & drop goals;))
    Munster's defence has been quite good actually. Conceded one less try in the Rabo than Leinster did. Joint ninth in the HEC pool stages for lowest number of tries conceded as well.


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    #4086
    jm08
    Registered Users Posts: 11,300 ✭✭✭✭jm08


    Fishooks12 wrote: »
    Cardiff, Clermont, Italy, Bath, Scotland.........basically every game sextons played

    Clermont is probably the only one of those that would be rated for having a good defence - Healy scored a try - the rest of the points came from penalties.

    Glasgow has a decent defence. It will be interesting to see how that one goes. Ospreys have the best defence in the Rabo.

    Just for the record, Leinster have scored 47 tries in the Rabbo in comparision to Munster scoring 45.


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    #4087
    jm08
    Registered Users Posts: 11,300 ✭✭✭✭jm08


    rrpc wrote: »
    Munster's defence has been quite good actually. Conceded one less try in the Rabo than Leinster did. Joint ninth in the HEC pool stages for lowest number of tries conceded as well.

    I know Munster have a decent defence (credit to Ulster breaching it;) )
    It was better last season though (only conceeded 22 tries in the Rabo).


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    #4088
    rrpc
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    jm08 wrote: »
    I know Munster have a decent defence (credit to Ulster breaching it;) )
    It was better last season though (only conceeded 22 tries in the Rabo).
    I think that has more to do with squad depth than inherent flaws in defence. This season has included a RWC with many of the Munster first teamers away for a protracted spell.


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    #4089
    thomond2006
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    After his 'performance' tonight ROG simply cannot tour.


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    #4090
    chancer12
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    thomond2006 wrote: »
    After his 'performance' tonight ROG simply cannot tour.

    Yes, but will that stop him? He'll still be picked. TOL is even better than Murray and as for BOD having to fight Earls for the 13 jersey... need I say any more ...... Kidders you beaut!

    Ospreys are a class act tonight


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    #4091
    Clegg
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    Never mind ROG. I'll hate it if he travels but at least he's second choice behind Sexton. I'm much more worried that DOC will start. He's absolutely rubbish now. Offers absolutely nothing around the pitch. It was an absolute joke that he started in the 6N but with POC injured Kidney will go running back to DOC


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    #4092
    Fireball07
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    Clegg wrote: »
    Never mind ROG. I'll hate it if he travels but at least he's second choice behind Sexton. I'm much more worried that DOC will start. He's absolutely rubbish now. Offers absolutely nothing around the pitch. It was an absolute joke that he started in the 6N but with POC injured Kidney will go running back to DOC

    If ROG plays like he's playing tonight, he's not 2nd choice. Madigan should be ahead of him, sadly.

    I'd be more worried about him at this stage than DOC. DOC won't let you down...on this showing, ROG could. 3 turnovers to tries.


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    #4093
    Burgo
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    Clegg wrote: »
    Never mind ROG. I'll hate it if he travels but at least he's second choice behind Sexton. I'm much more worried that DOC will start. He's absolutely rubbish now. Offers absolutely nothing around the pitch. It was an absolute joke that he started in the 6N but with POC injured Kidney will go running back to DOC

    Obviously not watching the Munster game, easily the worst performance i've seen from ROG!


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    #4094
    Podge_irl
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    Fireball07 wrote: »
    If ROG plays like he's playing tonight, he's not 2nd choice. Madigan should be ahead of him, sadly.

    I'd be more worried about him at this stage than DOC. DOC won't let you down...on this showing, ROG could. 3 turnovers to tries.

    If ROG plays like he's playing tonight he'd be about 5th choice...


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    #4095
    Clegg
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    Burgo wrote: »
    Obviously not watching the Munster game, easily the worst performance i've seen from ROG!
    Only watched the first half so I've only just seen that he was turned over 3 times and they all led to Ospreys tries. Awful performance.

    He's finished at the top level. In fairness he's been finished for the last 18 months or so but we didn't have anyone better to fill in the replacement 10 jersey.

    He'll be brought to New Zealand though. Imagine the fuss that idiots like Hugh Farrelly would make if he wasn't brought? Theres an article in the todays Indo where he says that it's inconceivable that Ireland can beat New Zealand without ROG.


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    #4096
    thomond2006
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    Please stop quoting idiots like Farrelly. He wins if we mention him.


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    #4097
    Clegg
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    But so many people actually take his opinions seriously. Thats my point. We have too many journalists that are too afraid to criticise poor performances. Farrelly and Thornley just sweep everything under the rug. Thornley was on the radio the other week vehemently backing Kidney. He said he had faith in Kidney and that he was doing a good job with Ireland. We can clearly see that this isn't the case.

    Does anyone else think that the ROG horror show won't be mentioned at all in tomorrows papers?


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    #4098
    OldRio
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    ROG and DOC and Murray will travel.
    Nothing will change.
    The way it is.


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    #4099
    Cpt_Blackbeard
    Registered Users Posts: 2,456 ✭✭✭Cpt_Blackbeard


    In fairness its a bit harsh to be too critical of ROG tonight. He was shìt, but it was his first game in a month and he probably isn't fully fit. A bit of perspective before the pitchforks come out.


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    #4100
    irishbucsfan
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    Cpt_Blackbeard wrote: »
    In fairness its a bit harsh to be too critical of ROG tonight. He was shìt, but it was his first game in a month and he probably isn't fully fit. A bit of perspective before the pitchforks come out.

    He was absolutely dire but I think there's clearly something wrong with one of his legs. He didn't kick out of hand at all really.


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    #4101
    Coburger
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    Hey, I don't know if this has been mentioned or not but who do you think should be the third number 10 to go to New Zealand. At the moment it'd be Sexton, ROG as 1 and 2. Personally I'd like to see Madigan get the nod but is this one step far too radical for Kidney to make or will Paddy Wallace be heading?


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    #4102
    gally74
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    If new Zealand were coming to Ireland they would bring

    Madigan, paddy Wallace and keatley


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    #4103
    GerM
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    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    He was absolutely dire but I think there's clearly something wrong with one of his legs. He didn't kick out of hand at all really.

    I'm not so sure. Munster needed to keep the ball for most of the time he was on. He took all the kicks to touch out of hand when Keatley and Zebo could easily have taken them. If he was genuinely not fit (fit enough to be comfortable on the field, not match fitness which would take a few games), McGahan could have brought Barnes on instead in a more orthodox switch or would have taken ROG off near the end instead of Keatley. I really do think that he simply wasn't bothered last night. The last 5-10 minutes were the most indicative of his attitude. I can accept mistakes, missed tackles etc. but he simply strolled around without looking to get involved when his team would look to him for leadership.


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    #4104
    ray jay
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    There must have been a reason ROG was on the bench. His kicking to touch from penalties was very conservative, I wouldn't be surprised if his leg hadn't fully recovered. On the other hand, he takes the ball into contact a lot these days as if he's trying to prove he can be a running threat like Sexton. Unfortunately, he got shown up badly by the Ospreys while doing just that yesterday. If his judgement is impaired, he'll be a liability we can't afford against the All Blacks.


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    #4105
    its_phil
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    ray jay wrote: »
    Unfortunately, he got shown up badly by the Ospreys while doing just that yesterday.

    To be fair the Ospreys were good at that all night no matter who they tackled.


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    #4106
    RoundBox11
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    ROG looks even smaller now than before. Has he slimmed down? I can't imagine he'd be able to withstand the targeting he'd get against NZ


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    #4107
    ray jay
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    its_phil wrote: »
    To be fair the Ospreys were good at that all night no matter who they tackled.
    It's not just taking the ball into contact though, nor is it limited to last night.


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    #4108
    its_phil
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    ray jay wrote: »
    It's not just taking the ball into contact though, nor is it limited to last night.

    I know but I was just pointing out he wasn't the only one who kept hitting a brick wall last night. Ospreys defence was excellent


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    #4109
    irishbucsfan
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    So the starting tea against the Barbarians, I guess will be...

    Horan, Sherry, Archer, DOC, McCarthy, Ryan, TOD, POM, Murray, ROG, Zebo, Downey, Earls, Murphy, Jones


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    #4110
    Hype710
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    My Team for the BaaBaas, provided Leinster make it through tonight:

    Jones, O' Halloran, Cave, Wallace, Earls, Keatley, Murray, Court, Sherry, Fitzpatrick, Ryan, Tuohy, Muldoon, Henry (C), O' Mahony.

    Reps: Best, Loughney, O' Callaghan, O' Donnell, Marshall, Spence, Gilroy.


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    #4111
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    Hype710 wrote: »
    My Team for the BaaBaas, provided Leinster make it through tonight:

    Jones, O' Halloran, Cave, Wallace, Earls, Keatley, Murray, Court, Sherry, Fitzpatrick, Ryan, Tuohy, Muldoon, Henry (C), O' Mahony.

    Reps: Best, Loughney, O' Callaghan, O' Donnell, Marshall, Spence, Gilroy.

    I would really like to see this team play.


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