#12M15M Global Day of Action

Jululan · 10-05-2012 8:34am #1

Just in case you are interested, there is a Global Protest this Saturday 12th May at 14:00 at The Spire (Dublin). For more info:

https://www.facebook.com/events/259726920789889/

http://international.democraciarealya.es/

I will be there.

Jululan · 10-05-2012 8:42am

There is even an Irish website about it:

http://www.realdemocracynowireland.org/about/

Seth Brundle · 10-05-2012 8:44am

Global protest against what?

20Cent · 10-05-2012 8:48am

kbannon wrote: »

Global protest against what?

Says it all in the links.

Seth Brundle · 10-05-2012 9:00am

20Cent wrote: »

kbannon wrote: »

Global protest against what?

Says it all in the links.

I'm on mobile and anyway reckon that I shouldn't really have to research what the OP is on about!

20Cent · 10-05-2012 9:06am

On the 15th of May 2011, millions of people started a process of social change, sending a clear message that we are not the property of politicians and bankers.

The political class and the economic powers behind them continue to ignore the message. They continue imposing poverty on the people and putting our lives at risk.

On the 12th of May, after a year of protest sweeping the globe, the ruling class digs in to maintain its power and wealth, we take back the streets and we demand:

1. Not a single euro more for bailing out banks. The bankers and speculators caused the crisis - make them pay for it.

2. Total transparency in the governance of the country, zero tolerance to corruption, and prosecution of those responsible for major economic crimes.

3. A society that guarantees the following: housing, work, culture, health care, free education, political participation and a fulfilled life. Our political and economic system places these things under attack.

4. Real Democracy NOW! Everyone’s voice, participation and welfare should be given equal importance in deciding how our society should be run.

On May 12th people from all over the world will take to the streets and squares. From America to Asia, from Africa to Europe, people are rising up to claim their rights and demand real democracy. Now it is time for all of us to join in a global non-violent protest.

And

We are the Irish movement for peaceful action to demand Real Democracy Now! Inspired by the Spanish revolution and Democracia Real Ya!

We have an open assembly weekly on Tuesdays at 7pm at Seomra Spraoi. Everyone is welcome. For map and directions click here.

We are ordinary people. We are like you. We are of different ages, nationalities, social backgrounds and political beliefs. We get up every morning to study, to look after our homes, to go to work, or to look for work. We all work hard every day at building a better future for ourselves and for the people around us. But all of us are worried and angry about what is unfolding, politically and economically, in our society.

We want REAL DEMOCRACY NOW! Not the pretense of democracy that presently exists in Ireland. The present system silences the voices of those who want a meaningful role in shaping our society and concentrates power in the hands of a minority. Our political system does not represent us but instead administers on behalf of unaccountable elites. It is time for us all to start a movement for a better society.

Dr Galen · 10-05-2012 9:17am

Is another version of Occupy?

1. Not a single euro more for bailing out banks. The bankers and speculators caused the crisis - make them pay for it.

Ok cool - alternatives?

2. Total transparency in the governance of the country, zero tolerance to corruption, and prosecution of those responsible for major economic crimes.

I can totally get on board with this one. No issue there

3. A society that guarantees the following: housing, work, culture, health care, free education, political participation and a fulfilled life. Our political and economic system places these things under attack.

A society that guarantees all this? Maybe I'm being pedantic, shouldn't that read state? If it was left to society to provide all these things, then you are maybe a lil veering towards the libertarian aren't you?

4. Real Democracy NOW! Everyone’s voice, participation and welfare should be given equal importance in deciding how our society should be run.

And now a bit of woolly, ranty ranty, insert catchphrase here stuff.

I appreciate the need to keep it brief though.

Listen, I don't want to have to be involved in every little decision that needs to be made. True, I want to see reform of our system, and the nonsense of basically a powerless Dail, beholden to the wishes of the government party of the time done away with, but the more I hear and read about this participatory democracy stuff, the more I don't like it. I vote, people get elected, I want them to sort stuff on my behalf, that is why I trusted them with my vote. If, come the next election they haven't done so, I'll vote for someone else. Simples.

Jonny7 · 10-05-2012 10:34am

20Cent wrote: »

1. Not a single euro more for bailing out banks. The bankers and speculators caused the crisis - make them pay for it.

Quite a few banks have paid back.

2. Total transparency in the governance of the country, zero tolerance to corruption, and prosecution of those responsible for major economic crimes.

How can you have total transparency? they've even tried it in companies with terrible consequences. As much transparency as possible, as little corruption as possible - but that's what they've always strived for.

Demanding perfection is not an attainable goal, how do you measure it?

3. A society that guarantees the following: housing, work, culture, health care, free education, political participation and a fulfilled life. Our political and economic system places these things under attack.

This is just silly. How can a country guarantee work? it's not possible. Economically "full employment" can never exist.

"A fulfilled life"???

4. Real Democracy NOW! Everyone’s voice, participation and welfare should be given equal importance in deciding how our society should be run.

In Belgium they have so many parties and such democracy they couldn't form a government for a year.

Why not make the whole manifesto shorter and demand the moon-on-a-stick, a unicorn and the tears of a mermaid - it would be more attainable and realistic

dsmythy · 10-05-2012 12:49pm

I'll take the fufilled life, cheers.

I've seen how people try to interact on Fine Gael's facebook page. It generally involves foot stampng when their "demands" to be responded to don't come quick enough. Everyone having their say on everything is not going to work.

Dr Galen wrote: »

Ok cool - alternatives?

It's written in the link. People other than them will pay all and everything because it's everyone elses fault.

10-05-2012 1:05pm

Global democracy? You mean, like the general election we held last year? Or what was that? Facism?

seamus · 10-05-2012 1:46pm

Rojomcdojo wrote: »

Global democracy? You mean, like the general election we held last year? Or what was that? Facism?

It's only democracy when you get the outcome you want. When the majority vote for the guy you don't like, then that's not democracy.

Or if you suddenly decide that you don't like the people in power, they're bound by democracy to step down and call an election.

Apparently.

thebman · 10-05-2012 1:49pm

Rojomcdojo wrote: »

Global democracy? You mean, like the general election we held last year? Or what was that? Facism?

It doesn't have to make sense :P

Global protest reminds me of :

http://qkme.me/3p80aw

Permabear · 10-05-2012 1:53pm

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20Cent · 10-05-2012 2:47pm

So every thread on this site is pretty much complaining about stuff that is happening and the Gov. Then when someone tries to do something about it what do we do.

Moan about them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Permabear · 10-05-2012 3:03pm

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20Cent · 10-05-2012 3:15pm

Permabear wrote: »

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Actually its the only thing that ever has changed anything when you think about it. Disagree re "ridiculous demands" there is certainly a democratic deficit in this country that needs attention.

seamus · 10-05-2012 3:37pm

20Cent wrote: »

there is certainly a democratic deficit in this country that needs attention.

There is? How so?

10-05-2012 3:39pm

20Cent wrote: »

Actually its the only thing that ever has changed anything when you think about it. Disagree re "ridiculous demands" there is certainly a democratic deficit in this country that needs attention.

What did it change? They got booted out of their camps and back home again
only change there was a change of scenery

Godge · 10-05-2012 3:43pm

20Cent wrote: »

So every thread on this site is pretty much complaining about stuff that is happening and the Gov. Then when someone tries to do something about it what do we do.

Moan about them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think you are mixing up democracy which involves everyone eligible to vote in the country being given an opportunity to express their opinion through the ballot box in a general election or referendum under the Constitutions with discussion boards which involves a small number of people confident (arrogant?) enough in their own opinion to want to tell others about it and also having a predisposition to complain about something or someone else while disowning responsibility for what it is they are complaining about.

If you are taking your lead from discussion boards rather than democracy maybe it is no surprise that Occupy and the other protests have disappeared with less than a whimper.

P.S. Democracy was seen when we elected the Fine Gael and Labour coalition and will be seen again when we vote later this month.

Godge · 10-05-2012 3:45pm

20Cent wrote: »

Actually its the only thing that ever has changed anything when you think about it. Disagree re "ridiculous demands" there is certainly a democratic deficit in this country that needs attention.

What changed? Did anything change? Remind me of the four key demands.

How many bondholders did we burn?
How much oil and gas did we take back?
What new forms of participative democracy have we got?

Oops, I have forgotten the other one, must have made a big impression all right. Oh, and don't come back with the "we changed the debate" line.

20Cent · 10-05-2012 3:57pm

Godge wrote: »

I think you are mixing up democracy which involves everyone eligible to vote in the country being given an opportunity to express their opinion through the ballot box in a general election or referendum under the Constitutions with discussion boards which involves a small number of people confident (arrogant?) enough in their own opinion to want to tell others about it and also having a predisposition to complain about something or someone else while disowning responsibility for what it is they are complaining about.

If you are taking your lead from discussion boards rather than democracy maybe it is no surprise that Occupy and the other protests have disappeared with less than a whimper.

P.S. Democracy was seen when we elected the Fine Gael and Labour coalition and will be seen again when we vote later this month.

I'm not mixing anything up thanks.

djpbarry · 10-05-2012 4:02pm

20Cent wrote: »

Actually its the only thing that ever has changed anything when you think about it.

Sitting in a tent demanding a “fulfilled life” for all is the only thing that has ever changed anything? Really? Because I’m pretty sure John Hume, Martin Luther King, Gandhi, Aung San Suu Kyi, etc., etc., etc., were/are slightly more focused and proactive than the average “occupy” tent-dweller.

20Cent · 10-05-2012 4:06pm

djpbarry wrote: »

Sitting in a tent demanding a “fulfilled life” for all is the only thing that has ever changed anything? Really? Because I’m pretty sure John Hume, Martin Luther King, Gandhi, Aung San Suu Kyi, etc., etc., etc., were/are slightly more focused and proactive than the average “occupy” tent-dweller.

I bet there were people telling John Hume, Martin Luther King, Gandhi, Aung San Suu Kyi, etc., etc., etc.,that they were wasting their time and mocking them also when they started out. All those movements started with small groups.

If you think Occupy is just about "sitting in a tent" you are very misinformed.

Anyway this thread isn't about occupy its about this May 12th thing.

Iwasfrozen · 10-05-2012 4:13pm

20Cent wrote: »

I bet there were people telling John Hume, Martin Luther King, Gandhi, Aung San Suu Kyi, etc., etc., etc.,that they were wasting their time and mocking them also when they started out. All those movements started with small groups.

If you think Occupy is just about "sitting in a tent" you are very misinformed.

Anyway this thread isn't about occupy its about this May 12th thing.

All those people had something to fight for. You live in one of the richest countries on Earth in the most prosperous time in human history where you don't even need a job to have a good life and you're still not happy.

20Cent · 10-05-2012 4:15pm

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

All those people had something to fight for. You live in one of the richest countries on Earth in the most prosperous time in human history where you don't even need a job to have a good life and you're still not happy.

I'm very happy thanks.
Still think there's room for improvement though, don't you?

Fr Tod Umptious · 10-05-2012 4:20pm

This thread get funnier my the post.

Yes their is room for improvement but you are going around it the wrong methinks

Try running for election as an independent in the next local election in your area, that would be a start.

Iwasfrozen · 10-05-2012 4:21pm

20Cent wrote: »

I'm very happy thanks.
Still think there's room for improvement though, don't you?

You obviously aren't happy if you want to change the system. I on the other hand am perfectly happy with the system and don't want to see a major movement coem and radically alter it. Not that it will because these sorts of movements don't happen in modern first world countries. Had this unemployment rate existed 80 years ago well, that's what used to start wars.

20Cent · 10-05-2012 4:26pm

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

You obviously aren't happy if you want to change the system. I on the other hand am perfectly happy with the system and don't want to see a major movement coem and radically alter it. Not that it will because these sorts of movements don't happen in modern first world countries. Had this unemployment rate existed 80 years ago well, that's what used to start wars.

There's nothing particularly "radical" in the demands listed by the Irish group. Look like things any modern democracy should have.

More transparency and proper action taken to stop corruption for example would be great imo

Iwasfrozen · 10-05-2012 4:29pm

20Cent wrote: »

There's nothing particularly "radical" in the demands listed by the Irish group. Look like things any modern democracy should have.

More transparency and proper action taken to stop corruption for example would be great imo

Nothing radical?

3. A society that guarantees the following: housing, work, culture, health care, free education, political participation and a fulfilled life. Our political and economic system places these things under attack.

Soviet Union much? These are not properties of a modern capitalist country. People are supposed to sort these things out for themselves. And while it's great to demand total transperency the reality of running a state makes it unfeasible.

20Cent · 10-05-2012 4:35pm

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Nothing radical?

Soviet Union much? These are not properties of a modern capitalist country. People are supposed to sort these things out for themselves.

We already have these things to an extent but of course could be improved upon. "culture, health care, free education, political participation"

Work would be difficult and a fulfilled life is a bit wishy washy but certainly good goals to aim for. Doesn't say anything about the state providing these things it says society.

Iwasfrozen · 10-05-2012 4:41pm

20Cent wrote: »

We already have these things to an extent but of course could be improved upon. "culture, health care, free education, political participation"

Work would be difficult and a fulfilled life is a bit wishy washy but certainly good goals to aim for. Doesn't say anything about the state providing these things it says society.

No we don't the government does not guarantee you a culture or a job but regardless do you actually have any ideas "how" to make things better or is this just a general wishy washy idea that things should be better. Because I know the government gets a lot of flak but from what I can see the way the country runs it self is pretty darn good all things considered. Not perfect but that's human nature for you.

c_man · 10-05-2012 4:46pm

Real Democracy NOW! Everyone’s voice, participation and welfare should be given equal importance in deciding how our society should be run.

Didn't we have an election last year? We have a referendum on another topic at the end of this month. What's 'real democracy' and how does it differ from the current system?

Permabear · 10-05-2012 4:52pm

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20Cent · 10-05-2012 4:52pm

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

No we don't the government does not guarantee you a culture or a job but regardless do you actually have any ideas "how" to make things better or is this just a general wishy washy idea that things should be better. Because I know the government gets a lot of flak but from what I can see the way the country runs it self is pretty darn good all things considered. Not perfect but that's human nature for you.

We have libraries, galleries, museums, the GAA, festivals etc etc culture wise.
Isn't full employment a worthy goal? Even if it is hard to achieve.

How to go about it, same as every other change in society, bringing awareness to issues, campaigning for change and all the other methods people use.

I am pie · 10-05-2012 4:56pm

It's all so cowardly. Just come out with, we want state controlled institutions to manage our lives for us. We want the state to run schools, healthcare and hospitals, we want high taxes on high income individuals and private enterprise.

Just call it out, it's socialism they are after. As soon as they can cost a realistic plan to achieve their aims then people might get interested. Otherwise it's just another left wing / socialist pipe dream being sold to students and the disaffected.

A bit of honesty would be nice. At least reference at some level how this stuff gets paid for and who manages it's delivery.

20Cent · 10-05-2012 4:57pm

Permabear wrote: »

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I know you love to define everything and then take it apart. But then fail to reply to questions about your own ideas I note, so not going down that road thanks.
Its one word in their demands and agree its a bit fuzzy. I wouldn't disregard the whole thing just because one part is unclear. Most of their demands sound pretty libertarian actually.

BTW I've nothing to do with this group and only know whats been posted here about them but I'm all for people making their voices heard and taking part in democracy instead of leaving it as a vote every four years or so.

20Cent · 10-05-2012 4:58pm

I am pie wrote: »

It's all so cowardly. Just come out with, we want state controlled institutions to manage our lives for us. We want the state to run schools, healthcare and hospitals, we want high taxes on high income individuals and private enterprise.

Just call it out, it's socialism they are after. As soon as they can cost a realistic plan to achieve their aims then people might get interested. Otherwise it's just another left wing / socialist pipe dream being sold to students and the disaffected.

A bit of honesty would be nice. At least reference at some level how this stuff gets paid for and who manages it's delivery.

Looks like a mixture of left and right wing ideas to me.

Iwasfrozen · 10-05-2012 5:01pm

20Cent wrote: »

We have libraries, galleries, museums, the GAA, festivals etc etc culture wise.
Isn't full employment a worthy goal? Even if it is hard to achieve.

How to go about it, same as every other change in society, bringing awareness to issues, campaigning for change and all the other methods people use.

Yes we do which is exactly why protesting for these thigns is redundent. I don't think you understand I didn't ask how do you want to raise awarness I was asking what would you actually do to achieve your goals if you had the power to.

How would you default on our loans then return to the markets? How would you improve hospitals without money? How would you run the schools? How can you increase transperancy while maintaining diplomatic sovereignty? These are the questions movements like yours have to ask but never do. Instead it's jsut a general "rar I have no job and an interest in politics down with the government!" So yeah, you'll excuse me if I'm not marching but I don't really feel like advancing some radicals political career.

seamus · 10-05-2012 5:14pm

20Cent wrote: »

How to go about it, same as every other change in society, bringing awareness to issues, campaigning for change and all the other methods people use.

The problem is that they call for change without any kind of realistic or feasible way of changing it. Often they want change, but they don't know what kind of change they want.

As it stands, everyone in this country has indiscriminate access to "culture, health care, free education, political participation". There is nothing standing in your way accessing these.

Could the quality of this access be improved? Sure. But there are no great injustices going on, and protesting isn't going to make things get better any faster than simply exercising your voting power correctly.

When you protest, you need a specific goal, which is achievable and quantifiable. Equal rights for black people. Suffrage. Equal rights for gays.

They were lofty goals, but they were specific and achievable. And there was a point where you could say, "There, job done".

"Total transparency in the governance of the country, zero tolerance to corruption, and prosecution of those responsible for major economic crimes." That's a lofty goal, non-specific, idealogically unachievable (because it demands perfection) and unquantifiable. You can protest till the cows come home and this will never be achieved. Ever. The best you can hope for is gradual systematic reduction of corruption and maximisation of transparency. And for that, you use your vote.

20Cent · 10-05-2012 5:17pm

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Yes we do which is exactly why protesting for these thigns is redundent. I don't think you understand I didn't ask how do you want to raise awarness I was asking what would you actually do to achieve your goals if you had the power to.

How would you default on our loans then return to the markets? How would you improve hospitals without money? How would you run the schools? How can you increase transperancy while maintaining diplomatic sovereignty? These are the questions movements like yours have to ask but never do. Instead it's jsut a general "rar I have no job and an interest in politics down with the government!" So yeah, you'll excuse me if I'm not marching but I don't really feel like advancing some radicals political career.

Its not my movement I've nothing to do with it.
Maybe ask them your questions.
History is full of people who did things that were considered "impossible".

Permabear · 10-05-2012 5:17pm

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Iwasfrozen · 10-05-2012 5:19pm

20Cent wrote: »

Its not my movement I've nothing to do with it.
Maybe ask them your questions.
History is full of people who did things that were considered "impossible".

Yes but not under these conditions that's my point. Life is far too comfortable.

Permabear · 10-05-2012 5:35pm

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Godge · 10-05-2012 6:13pm

20Cent wrote: »

On the 15th of May 2011, millions of people started a process of social change, sending a clear message that we are not the property of politicians and bankers.

The political class and the economic powers behind them continue to ignore the message. They continue imposing poverty on the people and putting our lives at risk.

On the 12th of May, after a year of protest sweeping the globe, the ruling class digs in to maintain its power and wealth, we take back the streets and we demand:

1. Not a single euro more for bailing out banks. The bankers and speculators caused the crisis - make them pay for it.

2. Total transparency in the governance of the country, zero tolerance to corruption, and prosecution of those responsible for major economic crimes.

3. A society that guarantees the following: housing, work, culture, health care, free education, political participation and a fulfilled life. Our political and economic system places these things under attack.

4. Real Democracy NOW! Everyone’s voice, participation and welfare should be given equal importance in deciding how our society should be run.

On May 12th people from all over the world will take to the streets and squares. From America to Asia, from Africa to Europe, people are rising up to claim their rights and demand real democracy. Now it is time for all of us to join in a global non-violent protest.

And

We are the Irish movement for peaceful action to demand Real Democracy Now! Inspired by the Spanish revolution and Democracia Real Ya!

We have an open assembly weekly on Tuesdays at 7pm at Seomra Spraoi. Everyone is welcome. For map and directions click here.

We are ordinary people. We are like you. We are of different ages, nationalities, social backgrounds and political beliefs. We get up every morning to study, to look after our homes, to go to work, or to look for work. We all work hard every day at building a better future for ourselves and for the people around us. But all of us are worried and angry about what is unfolding, politically and economically, in our society.

We want REAL DEMOCRACY NOW! Not the pretense of democracy that presently exists in Ireland. The present system silences the voices of those who want a meaningful role in shaping our society and concentrates power in the hands of a minority. Our political system does not represent us but instead administers on behalf of unaccountable elites. It is time for us all to start a movement for a better society.

You posted the above with no link included, no quotation marks, no reference to where you got it from, no context that it wasn't yours, looking like you believed and accepted every word..............

20Cent wrote: »

Its not my movement I've nothing to do with it.
Maybe ask them your questions.
History is full of people who did things that were considered "impossible".

........yet you come along two pages later and deny it. Is your name Peter?

Seriously, your post gave rise to serious questions from a number of people, why don't you answer them?

Jululan · 10-05-2012 6:35pm

Just one reason to protest:
The European Central Bank(they get their funds from our taxes) lends money at 1% interest to private European banks. Our lovely private banks buy State Debt from Ireland(or any other EU country) and they get a 5% interest(paid by our taxes). And even our Government inject money to these banks.
I would prefer my taxes spent in education, public transport, public health...

I find very interesting the lack of social mobilization in Ireland. Maybe a subject for my PhD...
If you don't complaint, societies don't evolve.

thebman · 10-05-2012 6:47pm

Jululan wrote: »

Just one reason to protest:
The European Central Bank(they get their funds from our taxes) lends money at 1% interest to private European banks. Our lovely private banks buy State Debt from Ireland(or any other EU country) and they get a 5% interest(paid by our taxes). And even our Government inject money to these banks.
I would prefer my taxes spent in education, public transport, public health...

I find very interesting the lack of social mobilization in Ireland. Maybe a subject for my PhD...
If you don't complaint, societies don't evolve.

People do complain, just not on the streets.

Obviously a good few people in the country are still happy with their lot too and don't feel the need to complain.

20Cent · 10-05-2012 7:18pm

Godge wrote: »

You posted the above with no link included, no quotation marks, no reference to where you got it from, no context that it wasn't yours, looking like you believed and accepted every word..............

The op had links someone else said they were on a phone and couldn't see them so I helpfully pasted the content,thought it was obvious apologies for confusion.

Godge wrote: »

......yet you come along two pages later and deny it. Is your name Peter?

Seriously, your post gave rise to serious questions from a number of people, why don't you answer them?

Is my name Peter !!!
Don't see any serious questions that require answering just the usual gut reaction against fellow citizens exercising their democratic rights.

Godge · 10-05-2012 11:47pm

20Cent wrote: »

The op had links someone else said they were on a phone and couldn't see them so I helpfully pasted the content,thought it was obvious apologies for confusion.

Is my name Peter !!!
Don't see any serious questions that require answering just the usual gut reaction against fellow citizens exercising their democratic rights.

Fair enough but you didn't make that clear in your original post. For most of this thread you were defending the protests. At the last minute you denied you had anything to do with them. Sounds like Peter in the Garden.

jank · 11-05-2012 6:57am

20Cent wrote: »

3. A society that guarantees the following: housing, work, culture, health care, free education, political participation and a fulfilled life. Our political and economic system places these things under attack.
.

I can only have a fulfilled life if I have an Audi S5 sitting in my garage, a yacht, Pamella Anderson sitting on my knee and Mary Harney on a treadmill running at 12kph for my sexual gratification, so....how are you going to guarantee that?

Jululan · 11-05-2012 7:08am

jank wrote: »

I can only have a fulfilled life if I have an Audi S5 sitting in my garage, a yacht, Pamella Anderson sitting on my knee and Mary Harney on a treadmill running at 12kph for my sexual gratification, so....how are you going to guarantee that?

Be a politician.

hatrickpatrick · 11-05-2012 7:20am

Dr Galen wrote: »

Ok cool - alternatives?

Two alternatives in my mind:
1: Make them pay it back, with interest - just like they dowhen they give people money. Fair's fair.
2: Let them fail, just like any other private company would when it f*cks things up. Force banks to separate their lending and depositing businesses so as savers won't be burned if a lender overlends and goes bankrupt.

Another possible third option would be to redefine the weight of different forms of investment, so as a bondholder is not equal to a saver, and savers can be guaranteed without protecting the speculators.

These are just off the top of my head, I'm sure I could come up with more when I'm properly awake

Essentially, banks should not be above society. They should be treated exactly as every other type of business. If the financial system's structure makes this impossible, then it's that system which needs to be overhauled. We should not have to overhaul our society to fit their model.

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