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It is announced that Ireland WILL hold referendum on EU fiscal compact treaty

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    #392
    twinytwo
    Registered Users Posts: 5,113 ✭✭✭twinytwo


    ArmaniJeanss wrote: »
    We have two people starting 1st March - we spent most of the last 18 months tendering for a contract with an Austrian firm and signed the deal in January. At the time of LisbonII our boss was adamant that a Yes vote was fairly critical to our tender, that a No Vote would be a negative mark against us. Possibly not fatal, but any sign that Ireland was moving away from the European project, possibly from the Euro itself would do us damage when we were up against French and Scandanavian rivals for the contract.

    So theres two jobs. Fairly measly. But thats the way a lot of jobs get created. No Paypal headlines. No fanfare in the paper. Just a small nothing company on a sidestreet deciding that the time is right to go from 40 staff to 42.

    There was never going to be any 'oh you've voted Yes, heres a factory for 50,000 people'. It doesn't mean that 'Yes for Jobs' was wrong.

    so can u say 100% that the jobs would have been created if we voted no?


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    #393
    OldNotWIse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,468 ✭✭✭✭OldNotWIse


    hooradiation wrote: »
    And we've hit rock bottom, much quicker than normal.

    But I wish you the best in your continued pursuit of calling people 'sheep'. I'm certain it'll be a great tactic for convincing people of your well reasoned position.

    Yes...trolls much ;)


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    #394
    jackal
    Registered Users Posts: 793 ✭✭✭jackal


    The NO vote will win this one. Sinn fein will mistakenly take it as an endorsement of themselves and their policies.

    I will vote NO but it has nothing to do with the shinners.


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    #395
    hooradiation
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,922 ✭✭✭hooradiation


    OldNotWIse wrote: »
    Yes...trolls much ;)

    Throwing that excuse out at the first sign of trouble is certainly easier then thinking about what you're saying.
    I'll give you that.


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    #396
    OldNotWIse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,468 ✭✭✭✭OldNotWIse


    dvpower wrote: »
    Rhetorical question?

    Have a read back over the posts since you labelled people sheep - maybe you honestly misunderstood what was said.

    I called people sheep for voting against what THEY want simply because others are doing it. Another poster accused me of calling people sheep because "they are voting against what I want" (never the case). With respect, there isn't a large scope for misunderstanding there.


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    #397
    OldNotWIse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,468 ✭✭✭✭OldNotWIse


    hooradiation wrote: »
    Throwing that excuse out at the first sign of trouble is certainly easier then thinking about what you're saying.
    I'll give you that.

    Trolling and pestering...


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    #398
    ArmaniJeanss
    Registered Users Posts: 13,295 ✭✭✭✭ArmaniJeanss


    twinytwo wrote: »
    so can u say 100% that the jobs would have been created if we voted no?

    Nope I can't say 100% for definite if they would or wouldn't have been created after a No Vote. No-one can.

    All I can do is give the anecdotal story of my boss saying that a Yes vote was good for our tender, us ultimately getting the contract and creating two jobs.


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    #399
    humanji
    Registered Users Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    Like all those jobs thst we were promised the last time we voted yes, LOL.
    http://www.siliconrepublic.com/news/article/14101/business/citrix-creates-20-new-jobs-at-irish-operations


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    #400
    Krusader
    Registered Users Posts: 4,057 ✭✭✭Krusader


    This announcement is a +1 for democracy.


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    #401
    orangebud
    Registered Users Posts: 251 ✭✭orangebud


    is there a boards poll


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    #402
    puzzle factory
    Registered Users Posts: 567 ✭✭✭puzzle factory


    orangebud wrote: »
    is there a boards poll

    there was yesterday,cant find it today.
    found it http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?threadid=2056562636


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    #403
    twinytwo
    Registered Users Posts: 5,113 ✭✭✭twinytwo


    Crosáidí wrote: »
    This announcement is a +1 for democracy.

    its not, unless we vote the way they want


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    #404
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    twinytwo wrote: »
    its not, unless we vote the way they want
    It has already been reported that this is a "one shot" referendum!


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    #405
    Run_to_da_hills
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    Deleted User wrote: »
    It has already been reported that this is a "one shot" referendum!

    They said that about Lisbon LOL.


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    #406
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,568 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Deleted User wrote: »
    It has already been reported that this is a "one shot" referendum!

    O' that again!
    Himmm... Should I believe them or not? Himmm... :o


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    #407
    humanji
    Registered Users Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    Biggins wrote: »
    O' that again!
    Himmm... Should I believe them or not? Himmm... :o
    Well there's no point having more than one vote on this, because the rest of the EU don't give two f*cks what way we vote. It doesn't need everyone to vote yes to pass. If a country votes yes, then it's adopted by that country.


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    #408
    constitutionus
    Registered Users Posts: 7,988 ✭✭✭constitutionus


    "im pleased to announce to the house...."

    bloke cant even tell the truth announcing the referendum !

    :D


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    #409
    StephenHendry
    Registered Users Posts: 1,146 ✭✭✭StephenHendry


    Dubit10 wrote: »
    I'm afraid it does'nt matter which way we vote, we all know they will keep coming back until they get the answer they want.


    + 1


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    #410
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    They said that about Lisbon LOL.
    The big difference this time is that we don't have a veto - they can go ahead regardless.

    They might want us to vote Yes, because a Yes vote will be seen as a vote of confidence in the European crisis strategy, but once we register a No, the damage is done even if we change our mind later.
    They may also want us to vote Yes because a No vote increaes the chance of a disordery default, but not many people here would think that a disordery default would be in our interests either.


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    #411
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,568 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    humanji wrote: »
    Well there's no point having more than one vote on this, because the rest of the EU don't give two f*cks what way we vote. It doesn't need everyone to vote yes to pass. If a country votes yes, then it's adopted by that country.

    I would say your party right.
    What makes me say that they care a bit is that if we fail (having said "No") to further survive as we are still in the EU and the Euro tanks here, the knock on effect in a number of ways might be then detrimental to the rest.


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    #412
    humanji
    Registered Users Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    True. It's all a guessing game, I suppose.

    Plus I like the idea of being "party right" :D


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    #413
    McTigs
    Registered Users Posts: 1,032 ✭✭✭McTigs


    DB10 wrote: »
    Yeh well Yes to Lisbon, really did get us jobs didn't it.....

    :rolleyes:


    Vote no.
    Sorry but this really winds me up. What did you expect? A yes vote and 450,000 jobs would fall out of the sky the very next day?

    the point was that an Ireland as part of a closer knit europe was more investor friendly than a stand alone ireland. More investment leads to job creation, very simple. But obviously it doesn't happen over night, it happens over years. In case you hadn't noticed ireland and the rest of europe is in a bit of a crisis at the minute that is trying to be stablised, and until it is investors are quite rightly keeping their hands in their pockets. until they take their hands out of their pockets there won't be much economic activity happening and no jobs bonanza either.

    Those who i keep on hearing go "oh yeah, Vote Yes for Jobs, that really worked out didn't it lol :rolleyes:" are really just displaying very little understanding of how any of this works.

    As for voting again and "they'll keep coming back till they get the answer they want", a quick bit of research would show that we have no veto this time round. If we vote No, they'll merely shrug their shoulders and move on without us.... seriously, like they were gonna allow 1% of the population hold up the attempts to stabilise the worlds second largest currency.

    This vote might be big news here, but without a veto it means **** all there.


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    #414
    Francie Barrett
    Registered Users Posts: 16,378 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    Voting no, will expect to have to vote no again at a later date.


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    #415
    McTigs
    Registered Users Posts: 1,032 ✭✭✭McTigs


    Francie Barrett wrote: »
    Voting no, will expect to have to vote no again at a later date.
    facepalm

    see last paragraph of post directly above


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    #416
    tolosenc
    Registered Users Posts: 6,889 ✭✭✭tolosenc


    If 12 countries ratify it, it becomes law. So essentially, we can be poor with friends or really poor without friends.


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    #417
    Mr. Presentable
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,496 ✭✭✭Mr. Presentable


    Isn't the reason we elect ministers in this country to take decisions?

    Why do we have elected "representatives" and yet they can't take a decision on our part? So the decision is left to the public, who, not their fault, in the majority are not well enough informed to take the decision.


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    #418
    V_Moth
    Registered Users Posts: 1,423 ✭✭✭V_Moth


    Mr. Presentable wrote: »
    Isn't the reason we elect ministers in this country to take decisions?

    Why do we have elected "representatives" and yet they can't take a decision on our part? So the decision is left to the public, who, not their fault, in the majority are not well enough informed to take the decision.

    I think you are forgetting something called the Constitution.


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    #419
    Lockstep
    Registered Users Posts: 9,029 ✭✭✭Lockstep


    I'll be voting yes. I read the treaty last night and there's nothing that scares me aside from us agreeing to maintain some sense of fiscal sanity (Article 3 does make allowances for exceptional circumstances so there is scope for a stimulus package for example to combat deflation or kickstart a multiplier effect)
    Being locked out of further bailouts is a really bad idea if you're like me and don't want our entire social welfare system incinerated (given that even if we default on our bank debt, we still have an annual €18bn deficit)

    What bums me out is how two trains of thoughts seem to be evident
    1) Those who wave their Irish flags, talk about the heroes of 1916 and make xenophobic comments about Germans (usually linking them to the Nazis) Just to clarify, the EU didn't force us to bail out the banks, Fianna Fáil, Fine Gael, Sinn Féin and the Greens agreed to do this in 2008.
    2) Those who think this is a great chance to stick it to the government. By all means, criticise the current government and all that but for the love of God, vote for referendums on their own merits, not because of what you think of Kenny and Gilmore.


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    #420
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    V_Moth wrote: »
    I think you are forgetting something called the Constitution.
    I think his point is that this kind of thing shouldn't require constitutional change.


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    #421
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    Lockstep wrote: »
    Just to clarify, the EU didn't force us to bail out the banks, Fianna Fáil, Fine Gael, Sinn Féin and the Greens agreed to do this in 2008.

    Are you saying then that the EU won't mind if we now let the capitalist market run its course, like it should, and allow our bankrupt banks to fail?

    BTW, the initial disaster that was the bank guarantee was supposed to be for 2 years, why do you think we continue to bail out bankrupt banks? It's hardly for the fun of it. It's because we are being told by the german government to do it.


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