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Pat Kenny won't cut the grass

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    #62
    squod
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,704 ✭✭✭squod


    sock puppet wrote: »
    Why would a lean management team pay Hondasam, someone who I presume is working for more than minimum wage, minimum wage + x per hour to cut the grass when it could be done for just minimum wage? In the case of someone like Pat Kenny, you're paying something like 10 - 20 times the going rate for grass cutting.

    Process engineer saves hondsam half an hour a day. HR sees the changes and consults with management. Management take into consideration his long standing with the company and offer him a pay cut and reduced hours or doing something like cutting the grass. It happens like.


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    #63
    sock puppet
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    squod wrote: »
    Process engineer saves hondsam half an hour a day. HR sees the changes and consults with management. Management take into consideration his long standing with the company and offer him a pay cut and reduced hours or doing something like cutting the grass. It happens like.

    But then the management have spent a lot of money identifying potential ways to save money on labour... and they've decided not to realise those savings.


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    #64
    squod
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,704 ✭✭✭squod


    sock puppet wrote: »
    But then the management have spent a lot of money identifying potential ways to save money on labour... and they've decided not to realise those savings.

    Yep. They've let hondasam off the hook. Lucky break for him or does he walk off in disgust? How about you? If you were in his hypothetical boots?


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    #65
    marketty
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    sock puppet wrote: »
    Why would a lean management team pay Hondasam, someone who I presume is working for more than minimum wage, minimum wage + x per hour to cut the grass when it could be done for just minimum wage? In the case of someone like Pat Kenny, you're paying something like 10 - 20 times the going rate for grass cutting.

    This is a good point.
    Once again the army is damned if they do and damned if they don't.
    Contract it in, they're lazy and sit around all day doing nothing.
    Go out and do it themselves (which they absolutely would do if they were told to by the powers that be) and everyone would be saying the Irish army is a joke they drive lawn mowers instead of tanks why are we paying them minimum wage+x and a pension to cut grass.
    Also have you people seen the curragh camp? The place is massive I'd say it takes a few guys working full time to keep the place in order gardening wise. Hardly the best use of limited personnel numbers for the army.


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    #66
    Haelium
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    Why exactly do they need to cut the grass at all? I'm not suggesting that they don't need to, but I wonder why they do?


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    #67
    hondasam
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    squod wrote: »
    Face a disciplinary over some grass cutting? C'mon.

    why would I face a disciplinary hearing? You seem to think my boss can just decide to change what I'm doing on a whim. This I assure you is not how it works.

    Hondasam is female.


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    #68
    marketty
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    hondasam wrote: »
    why would I face a disciplinary hearing? You seem to think my boss can just decide to change what I'm doing on a whim. This I assure you is not how it works.

    Hondasam is female.

    Do you work in the public service?
    It seems most people on boards expect anyone who does to just shut up and do what their told 'sure you're lucky to have a job' and so on


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    #69
    hidinginthebush
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    Sure if pat cut the grass at Rte he'd probably end up claiming the land for himself :pac:


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    #70
    hondasam
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    marketty wrote: »
    Do you work in the public service?
    It seems most people on boards expect anyone who does to just shut up and do what their told 'sure you're lucky to have a job' and so on

    Yes I work in the PS.


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    #71
    staker
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    *gets popcorn*


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    #72
    hondasam
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    staker wrote: »
    *gets popcorn*

    Hope you have enough for everyone. Can of coke as well please.


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    #73
    Judgement Day
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    Feeona wrote: »
    Pat Kenny is an idiot. A broadcaster who thinks he knows how to do everyone else's jobs without any experience or knowledge of said jobs.

    Good to see the guest showing him up on his self-righteousness.

    Can't stand pompous Pat but he has a point - cutting grass isn't rocket science and it would be good exercise for some of the desk jockeys in the army. It's reaching the stage where if there's a war they'll be looking for tenders for people to do the fighting. :rolleyes:


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    #74
    44leto
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    I wouldn't expect ourrrr Patrick to cut the grass up at Montrose, he is far to regally important, what would we do without him.

    I actually wouldn't mind a well paying grass cutting job like those corpo/council lads that keep our parks beautiful, out in the open and a bit of satisfacting at the end of the day. Rather then my life draining, monotonous and soul destroying excuse of a job I have.

    I really wanted to be A Lumberjack.


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    #75
    squod
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    hondasam wrote: »
    why would I face a disciplinary hearing? You seem to think my boss can just decide to change what I'm doing on a whim. This I assure you is not how it works.

    Hondasam is female.

    Not on a whim hondasam. As I said........
    Process engineer saves hondsam half an hour a day. HR sees the changes and consults with management. Management take into consideration his long standing with the company and offer him a pay cut and reduced hours or doing something like cutting the grass. It happens like.

    I presume the PS have process engineers, human resources departments and management teams. Or are PS workers somehow exempt from all of these things?


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    #76
    staker
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    hondasam wrote: »
    Hope you have enough for everyone. Can of coke as well please.


    :D

    It's only gonna go one way, BISH BASH BOSH.


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    #77
    sh1tstirrer
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    Get the army to cut their grass then get them to drop into RTE and make the plank cut the rte's grass at gunpoint :) even better make him cut it with a push mower, one of the old type that are ground driven and 1ft cutting width :D The plank might go some way to earning a fraction of his ridiculous wages.


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    #78
    hondasam
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    squod wrote: »
    Not on a whim hondasam. As I said........



    I presume the PS have process engineers, human resources departments and management teams. Or are PS workers somehow exempt from all of these things?

    I go to work, do the job I'm paid to do and I let everyone else do their jobs.
    This system works for me.


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    #79
    squod
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,704 ✭✭✭squod


    hondasam wrote: »
    I go to work, do the job I'm paid to do and I let everyone else do their jobs.
    This system works for me.

    Not having a go hondasam. It is (in my view) unreasonable to refuse some scheduled work if it's deemed by the management to be beneficial to the employer. Even if it means cutting the grass now and then.

    hondasam wrote: »
    Why would I want to cut the grass where I work it's not what I'm paid to do.
    People on the dole on the other hand are paid to sit at home scratching let them do it.

    I don't follow the logic of that post is all I'm saying. I've never experienced this kind of thinking before. Generally if I'm asked to do something, I'll go do it. I'd expect others would do likewise, within reason.


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    #80
    PhlegmyMoses
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    squod wrote: »




    I don't follow the logic of that post is all I'm saying. I've never experienced this kind of thinking before. Generally if I'm asked to do something, I'll go do it. I'd expect others would do likewise, within reason.

    Er, loads of people would refuse to do certain work if it fell outside their contract boundaries.


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    #81
    Topper Harley
    Registered Users Posts: 1,698 ✭✭✭Topper Harley


    Phill Ewinn wrote: »
    Pat posed the question. ''Why wouldn't the soldiers cut the grass themselves''. His guest replied ''would you cut the grass here at RTE?''

    Of course he said no, that he had other things to do.
    Feeona wrote: »
    Pat Kenny is an idiot. A broadcaster who thinks he knows how to do everyone else's jobs without any experience or knowledge of said jobs.

    Good to see the guest showing him up on his self-righteousness.

    I don't listen to his radio show but I've seen Frontline a bit and he doesn't some across as self-righteous on that. But try to keep in mind that Pat Kenny is a journalist and it's his job to ask such questions, so that the interviewee can answer and inform the listening public of their reason for hiring contractors.
    ballsymchugh wrote: »
    pat kenny wouldn't cut the grass because there'd need to be a risk assessment done first, can't have RTE's prize star pouring petrol into a lawnmower!

    So if Pat Kenny starts cutting RTE's grass, what will the groundskeeping staff do? Present a radio show?
    squod wrote: »
    So if the boss asked you to do it you'd object? Say the rostering system puts you in for grass cutting between 10am and 1 pm next Tuesday. What would you do?

    Don't know about you Squod, but I've got a job specification in my contract which clearly defines my duties. If I was asked to cut the grass I wouldn't have a problem doing it except for the fact that I'd be taking someone else's job.


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    #82
    squod
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,704 ✭✭✭squod


    Topper Harley wrote: »
    . If I was asked to cut the grass I wouldn't have a problem doing it except for the fact that I'd be taking someone else's job.

    Which is a fair point. Bearing in mind times are tight and as I've outline it's either reduced hours and a pay cut or some grass cutting. I'll cut grass.
    PhlegmyMoses wrote: »
    Er, loads of people would refuse to do certain work if it fell outside their contract boundaries.

    Contracts get changed, processes improve, budgets generally call the shots and not people.


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    #83
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    squod wrote: »
    Not having a go hondasam. It is (in my view) unreasonable to refuse some scheduled work if it's deemed by the management to be beneficial to the employer. Even if it means cutting the grass now and then.




    I don't follow the logic of that post is all I'm saying. I've never experienced this kind of thinking before. Generally if I'm asked to do something, I'll go do it. I'd expect others would do likewise, within reason.

    If I'm asked to do something I will oblige if it suits me and only if I want to.
    Under no circumstances would I ever go out and cut the grass at work.
    This is not the job I was employed to do and no where in my contract does it state I have to do what ever job my manager decides on a whim, be it for the good of the company or not.


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    #84
    squod
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    hondasam wrote: »
    If I'm asked to do something I will oblige if it suits me and only if I want to.
    Under no circumstances would I ever go out and cut the grass at work.
    This is not the job I was employed to do and no where in my contract does it state I have to do what ever job my manager decides on a whim, be it for the good of the company or not.

    This is extraordinary. Are you serious like?


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    #85
    Topper Harley
    Registered Users Posts: 1,698 ✭✭✭Topper Harley


    squod wrote: »
    Which is a fair point. Bearing in mind times are tight and as I've outline it's either reduced hours and a pay cut or some grass cutting. I'll cut grass.

    By the way, you're welcome to cut the grass in my garden and I won't reduce your working hours or cut your pay. Everybody wins. :p


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    #86
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    squod wrote: »
    This is extraordinary. Are you serious like?

    Yes of course I'm serious, why wouldn't I be.
    what do you work at? are you willing to be told to do just anything?


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    #87
    squod
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,704 ✭✭✭squod


    hondasam wrote: »
    Yes of course I'm serious, why wouldn't I be.
    what do you work at? are you willing to be told to do just anything?

    Of course not. But I think everyone accepts that work progresses like. The hypothetical point I put was this.....
    squod wrote: »

    So MegaCorp buys over your job and your old boss is hit by a bus. hondasam is rostered in once a month for two hours grass cutting under the new lean system management have put in place.
    .......................................................................................................................................
    Process engineer saves hondsam half an hour a day. HR sees the changes and consults with management. Management take into consideration his long standing with the company and offer him a pay cut and reduced hours or doing something like cutting the grass. It happens like.


    I just don't understand your objection in this hypothetical situation.


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    #88
    Doc
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    squod in your hypothetical point you are taking a skilled person and asking them to do manual labor with no incentive for them to do so other then it would be good for the company. If it was me I would also say no.

    I don’t work for the good of the company I work for a pay check and because I like the type of work I do. My contract sets out the job I am employed to do and I do it. Recently my boss tried to change my contract because he wanted to change my working conditions and I said no.

    He employed me to do a job and I will do that job but he did not buy a slave to do whatever he wants me to do which is why I have a contract with him.


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    #89
    Topper Harley
    Registered Users Posts: 1,698 ✭✭✭Topper Harley


    squod wrote: »
    Of course not. But I think everyone accepts that work progresses like. The hypothetical point I put was this.....

    Not everyone. That's very much a Japanese philosophy where there's a collectivist culture. In Ireland people focus more on their own self-interest and rather than do what is best for their employer (and possibly themselves in the long run), they will join a union and ensure that their pay and conditions don't get unfavourably altered, which isn't necessarily wrong.


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    #90
    Stereomaniac
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    I'd do anything for money.


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    #91
    squod
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,704 ✭✭✭squod


    Topper Harley wrote: »
    That's very much a Japanese philosophy

    No Topper, I've been working for these kinds of companies in Ireland since 1991.
    Topper Harley wrote: »
    In Ireland people focus more on their own self-interest and rather than do what is best for their employer (and possibly themselves in the long run), they will join a union and ensure that their pay and conditions don't get unfavourably altered, which isn't necessarily wrong.

    But not necessarily right. There'd be no point in having any management if staff could decide willy nilly what they want to do.
    Doc wrote: »
    squod in your hypothetical point you are taking a skilled person and asking them to do manual labor with no incentive for them to do so other then it would be good for the company.

    No. My point was one of extremes like. But facing a pay cut or cutting grass, I'd cut grass.


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