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Why do prisoners have so many rights?

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  • 26-08-2011 11:58am
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    CorkMan
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    The purpose of jail, as laid out by the government, is to take away someones freedom. So why does it cost €2k a week to house them?

    Just put them in a room, throw some bread and some soup in once or twice a day and give them a place to excrete. That would cost much less than €2k a week, so why isn't it being done? Also the issue of overcrowding, just build another building next door, make sure it's secure (ie no big windows in a cell, big solid door) and there ya go.


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    Kojak
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    They don't have any rights in the prison forum...


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    hooradiation
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    CorkMan wrote: »
    The purpose of jail, as laid out by the government, is to take away someones freedom. So why does it cost €2k a week to house them?

    Just put them in a room, throw some bread and some soup in once or twice a day and give them a place to excrete. That would cost much less than €2k a week, so why isn't it being done? Also the issue of overcrowding, just build another building next door, make sure it's secure (ie no big windows in a cell, big solid door) and there ya go.

    Oh look, it's this shit again.


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    mickydoomsux
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,290 ✭✭✭mickydoomsux


    CorkMan wrote: »
    The purpose of jail, as laid out by the government, is to take away someones freedom. So why does it cost €2k a week to house them?

    Just put them in a room, throw some bread and some soup in once or twice a day and give them a place to excrete. That would cost much less than €2k a week, so why isn't it being done? Also the issue of overcrowding, just build another building next door, make sure it's secure (ie no big windows in a cell, big solid door) and there ya go.

    Because we'd rather piss against the wind trying to "rehabilitate" scum rather than punishing them.


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    NSNO
    Registered Users Posts: 281 ✭✭NSNO


    CorkMan wrote: »
    The purpose of jail, as laid out by the government, is to take away someones freedom. So why does it cost €2k a week to house them?

    Just put them in a room, throw some bread and some soup in once or twice a day and give them a place to excrete. That would cost much less than €2k a week, so why isn't it being done? Also the issue of overcrowding, just build another building next door, make sure it's secure (ie no big windows in a cell, big solid door) and there ya go.


    Have you seen the inside of Mountjoy? Pray that neither you or anybody you love ends up there. It's hell.


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    Shenshen
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    CorkMan wrote: »
    The purpose of jail, as laid out by the government, is to take away someones freedom. So why does it cost €2k a week to house them?

    Just put them in a room, throw some bread and some soup in once or twice a day and give them a place to excrete. That would cost much less than €2k a week, so why isn't it being done? Also the issue of overcrowding, just build another building next door, make sure it's secure (ie no big windows in a cell, big solid door) and there ya go.

    I could be wrong, but I suspect the biggest junk of those €2k are the prison wardens' salaries.

    So if you're happy enough not to guard prisons any more, that would be the biggest saving.


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    Chuck Stone
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    Rights are there to protect everyone. Human rights came about after the disgusting loss of life witnessed during WW2.

    Be thankfull for them because they just might end up protecting you some time.


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    Lady Chuckles
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    CorkMan wrote: »
    Just put them in a room, throw some bread and some soup in once or twice a day and give them a place to excrete tinkle.

    Sorry, I just couldn't help myself :o


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    supermonkey
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    CorkMan wrote: »
    The purpose of jail, as laid out by the government, is to take away someones freedom. So why does it cost €2k a week to house them?

    Just put them in a room, throw some bread and some soup in once or twice a day and give them a place to excrete. That would cost much less than €2k a week, so why isn't it being done? Also the issue of overcrowding, just build another building next door, make sure it's secure (ie no big windows in a cell, big solid door) and there ya go.
    You are a man of rare intellectual ability!


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    AnonoBoy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,559 ✭✭✭✭AnonoBoy


    Prisoners' rights are all very well and good but nobody warns you to watch out for their lefts.

    "One-Two-Uniflu!"


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    IngazZagni
    Registered Users Posts: 1,588 ✭✭✭IngazZagni


    NSNO wrote: »
    Have you seen the inside of Mountjoy? Pray that neither you or anybody you love ends up there. It's hell.

    Good, prison should be like this. With this Countries history of suspended sentences for quite serious crimes it's quite obvious that those in prison deserve to be here.


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    petes
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    IngazZagni wrote: »
    G it's quite obvious that those in prison deserve to be here.

    Have you the internet in prison?


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    hooradiation
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,922 ✭✭✭hooradiation


    Insurgent wrote: »
    Have you the internet in prison?

    They're like hotels Joe, HOTELS!

    Bring back the iron maiden, being alive is too good for them I say!


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    IngazZagni
    Registered Users Posts: 1,588 ✭✭✭IngazZagni


    Chuck Stone wrote: »
    Rights are there to protect everyone. Human rights came about after the disgusting loss of life witnessed during WW2.

    Be thankfull for them because they just might end up protecting you some time.

    I would argue that if you were convicted of purposely taking someone's life, you don't deserve rights. The fact that they live in relative comfort after this really irritates me.
    Insurgent wrote: »
    Have you the internet in prison?

    Haha, no but there are TV's, Playstations and various other things to keep criminals entertained.


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    senordingdong
    Registered Users Posts: 10,673 ✭✭✭✭senordingdong


    CorkMan wrote: »
    The purpose of jail, as laid out by the government, is to take away someones freedom. So why does it cost €2k a week to house them?

    Just put them in a room, throw some bread and some soup in once or twice a day and give them a place to excrete. That would cost much less than €2k a week, so why isn't it being done? Also the issue of overcrowding, just build another building next door, make sure it's secure (ie no big windows in a cell, big solid door) and there ya go.

    Because that would be illegal.


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    Willbbz
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    Few bars of soap. Be grand


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    Wattle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,075 ✭✭✭Wattle


    Lets give them keys as well so they can come and go as they please. That's more or less what happens anyway.


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    paddyandy
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    They should contract the Prison Service out to The Siberian Government for the serious criminals.They would do it for a fraction of the cost . Our Prison Service is managed as a business as were the Psychiatric Hospitals .Clinics too have become businesses.Across the water Thatcher came along and saw what the game was and closed them down and sheepishly we followed but Prison Costs are terrible.We also have A Massive Security Industry that didnt exist not many decades ago.Plenty of Law and Order in this country would reduce the Stress and Crime in this country but would'nt be popular in some places.A lot of our crime and psychiatric costs are very anxiety and stress related.Not all though it's not an exact Science or even a simple issue.It needs VERY strong Government policies and from weak governments it's not going to happen.It's not realistic to expect such a tremendous change.


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    suicide_circus
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    While I kind of understand why the gardai dont have batons, I do NOT understand why prison officers dont have batons.


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    [Deleted User]
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    IngazZagni wrote: »
    I would argue that if you were convicted of purposely taking someone's life, you don't deserve rights. The fact that they live in relative comfort after this really irritates me............

    Crimes other than murder and manslaughter carry custodial sentances you know ;)


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    mackg
    Registered Users Posts: 3,938 ✭✭✭mackg


    CorkMan wrote: »
    The purpose of jail, as laid out by the government, is to take away someones freedom. So why does it cost €2k a week to house them?

    Just put them in a room, throw some bread and some soup in once or twice a day and give them a place to excrete. That would cost much less than €2k a week, so why isn't it being done? Also the issue of overcrowding, just build another building next door, make sure it's secure (ie no big windows in a cell, big solid door) and there ya go.

    And we can all do a sweepstake on how long it takes each one to completely lose their sanity. Freedom really is free choice people in prision do not have that, their routine is dictated to them. Is the best part of your life really playing the xbox?


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    IngazZagni
    Registered Users Posts: 1,588 ✭✭✭IngazZagni


    RoverJames wrote: »
    Crimes other than murder and manslaughter carry custodial sentances you know ;)

    Do you get my point though? There are different levels of crime. Murder is on another level to an un-armed robbery. Both deserve prison but the former don't deserve rights or life with comfort.


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    [Deleted User]
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    Because being left-handed is an abomination.


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    mackg
    Registered Users Posts: 3,938 ✭✭✭mackg


    IngazZagni wrote: »
    Do you get my point though? There are different levels of crime. Murder is on another level to an un-armed robbery. Both deserve prison but the former don't deserve rights or life with comfort.

    No the difference in punishment should be the length of the sentence, I am hugely in favour of coming down HARD on serious crime, but taking away peoples human rights is not the way to go about doing this.


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    AG2R
    Registered Users Posts: 1,325 ✭✭✭AG2R


    Because the system is a joke.

    When you read about phones, pool tables and Game consoles you have to wonder you really do.


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    KerranJast
    Registered Users Posts: 1,829 ✭✭✭KerranJast


    IngazZagni wrote: »
    Haha, no but there are TV's, Playstations and various other things to keep criminals entertained.
    Actually those are given to keep them from constantly rioting. Unless you want the cost of the Prison Service to skyrocket with riot police on constant standby then you have to reward good or rather not bad behaviour.


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    scholar007
    Closed Accounts Posts: 902 ✭✭✭scholar007


    CorkMan wrote: »
    The purpose of jail, as laid out by the government, is to take away someones freedom. So why does it cost €2k a week to house them?

    Just put them in a room, throw some bread and some soup in once or twice a day and give them a place to excrete. That would cost much less than €2k a week, so why isn't it being done? Also the issue of overcrowding, just build another building next door, make sure it's secure (ie no big windows in a cell, big solid door) and there ya go.

    Jethro, go git the rope, we is gonna have ourselves a lot o' hangins. We is gonna save €2k per week for each hangin. YEEHAW!


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    mattjack
    Registered Users Posts: 5,389 ✭✭✭mattjack


    paddyandy wrote: »
    They should contract the Prison Service out to The Siberian Government for the serious criminals.They would do it for a fraction of the cost . Our Prison Service is managed as a business as were the Psychiatric Hospitals .Clinics too have become businesses.Across the water Thatcher came along and saw what the game was and closed them down and sheepishly we followed but Prison Costs are terrible.We also have A Massive Security Industry that didnt exist not many decades ago.Plenty of Law and Order in this country would reduce the Stress and Crime in this country but would'nt be popular in some places.A lot of our crime and psychiatric costs are very anxiety and stress related.Not all though it's not an exact Science or even a simple issue.It needs VERY strong Government policies and from weak governments it's not going to happen.It's not realistic to expect such a tremendous change.

    this Siberian Government you speak of...? there is no country called Siberia.


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    conorhal
    Registered Users Posts: 6,987 ✭✭✭conorhal


    Insurgent wrote: »
    Have you the internet in prison?


    Only on me iPhone bud.


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    mconigol
    Registered Users Posts: 1,583 ✭✭✭mconigol


    They can house one or two of them with me. I'll only charge a grand a week...food and electricity included.


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    IngazZagni
    Registered Users Posts: 1,588 ✭✭✭IngazZagni


    KerranJast wrote: »
    Actually those are given to keep them from constantly rioting. Unless you want the cost of the Prison Service to skyrocket with riot police on constant standby then you have to reward good or rather not bad behaviour.

    Why do they riot? Because they can. Prison wardens are not armed and it's unlikely they will be punished meaningfully for stepping out of line.
    No the difference in punishment should be the length of the sentence, I am hugely in favour of coming down HARD on serious crime, but taking away peoples human rights is not the way to go about doing this.
    It's this sort of attitude that will have someone like Anders Behring Breivik who brutally murdered over 70 people, including children and destroyed the livelihoods of hundreds living in a comfortable cell for the rest of his life because he "deserves" human rights. Really?


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