Student Demonstrations/violence only the beginning?

JFlah · 04-11-2010 8:59pm #1

Is anyone else of the view that the scenes in Dublin yesterday were only the beginning of serious protests and violence on our streets ???

orourkeda · 04-11-2010 8:59pm

no

Mister men · 04-11-2010 9:03pm

Yes it's the beginning. When grown men can't feed their kids and keep a roof over their families heads they are going to get very angry.

JFlah · 04-11-2010 9:11pm

Mister men wrote: »

Yes it's the beginning. When grown men can't feed their kids and keep a roof over their families heads they are going to get very angry.

Exactly my situation after the Budget i reckon have a nice hoodie scarf and gloves ready !!!! see how our law enforcement like tackling grown adult men

Sea Sharp · 04-11-2010 9:13pm

Definitely.
The sh1t hitting the fan is finally upon us.

whatdoicare · 04-11-2010 9:18pm

I hear that the Gardai have been in riot training since last March in preparation for this eventuality.
It's going to happen, at some point Clowen is going to make one cut or tax too many and all hell is going to break loose.
Might make him sit up and get the finger out......maybe....probably not.

fedor.2. · 04-11-2010 9:19pm

The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral, begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy. Instead of diminishing evil, it multiplies it.

Martin Luther king, Jr.

PanchoVilla · 04-11-2010 9:23pm

fedor.2. wrote: »

The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral, begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy. Instead of diminishing evil, it multiplies it.

Martin Luther king, Jr.

"When the Industrial Revolution of the nineteenth century brought a rapid increase in wealth, the demand of workers for a fair share of the wealth they were creating was conceded only after riots and strikes."

-John Boyd Orr

“If our colleges and universities do not breed men who riot, who rebel, who attack life with all the youthful vim and vigor, then there is something wrong with our colleges. The more riots that come on college campuses, the better world for tomorrow.”

-William Allen White

DarkJager · 04-11-2010 9:25pm

Yes it is. The government are only interested in appeasing foreign markets by throwing our money at the banks and dooming us to years of severe budgets for their short sightedness. The unemployment rate continues to rise but they don't give a **** about that - there is no incentive to bring jobs back in to this country. The people of this country (the same people this government are elected to serve) are being ignored by this pack of overpaid arrogant asshats.

I expect things will rapidly spiral downwards after budget day.

fedor.2. · 04-11-2010 9:28pm

PanchoVilla wrote: »

"When the Industrial Revolution of the nineteenth century brought a rapid increase in wealth, the demand of workers for a fair share of the wealth they were creating was conceded only after riots and strikes."

-John Boyd Orr

“If our colleges and universities do not breed men who riot, who rebel, who attack life with all the youthful vim and vigor, then there is something wrong with our colleges. The more riots that come on college campuses, the better world for tomorrow.”

-William Allen White

Smart ass;)

Sierra Oscar · 04-11-2010 9:29pm

whatdoicare wrote: »

I hear that the Gardai have been in riot training since last March in preparation for this eventuality.

The Gardai are continually undertaking training to deal with riot situations. There has been a specific Garda Public Order Unit in place for years now.

We have seen far worse "riots" over the last few decades as compared to yesterdays outbreak of scuffles.

easyeason3 · 04-11-2010 9:32pm

I hope not but being honest it probably will happen.
I just don't see how getting violent will prove a point but then everyones patience is wearing very thin & I can understand how a person can lose control.

The next twelve months will be very interesting but I don't think it will be in a good way.

PanchoVilla · 04-11-2010 9:43pm

I'm gonna have a one man riot in my town. It's gonna be glorious!!

amacachi · 04-11-2010 9:46pm

Mister men wrote: »

Yes it's the beginning. When grown men can't feed their kids and keep a roof over their families heads they are going to get very angry.

I've heard some firms these days will let women work for them even after they've married.

wyndhurst · 04-11-2010 9:48pm

JFlah wrote: »

Exactly my situation after the Budget i reckon have a nice hoodie scarf and gloves ready !!!! see how our law enforcement like tackling grown adult men

Chicken s..t idiots like you hiding behind scarf and hoody won't help the situation one bit. I hope some big thick mucker Guard gives you a good hiding. :mad:
Our 'law enforcement' are public servants & pay taxes too....I am sure they are not overjoyed by the state of the nation either.

PanchoVilla · 04-11-2010 9:50pm

wyndhurst wrote: »

Chicken s..t idiots like you hiding behind scarf and hoody won't help the situation one bit. I hope some big thick mucker Guard gives you a good hiding. :mad:
Our 'law enforcement' are public servants & pay taxes too....I am sure they are not overjoyed by the state of the nation either.

Yeah, sitting around in a big circle holding hands and singing "Kumbaya" will teach those bastards in the Dáil a thing or two.

Charlie. · 04-11-2010 9:59pm

One of the first things I saw watching video footage of the riot was a guy wearning a top with the slogan 'F**K Police Brutality'

That 'riot' had nothing to do with the government budget or education as far as I'm concerned, only a platform for scumbags to act the twat.

fedor.2. · 04-11-2010 10:00pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lU4ke34dKWo

skelliser · 04-11-2010 10:01pm

The time for talk has passed.

Fianna Fail are traitors to Ireland. They would sooner bail out their builder/banker friends and foreign bond holders then help their fellow irishmen.

They are traitors to the signatuaries of 1916 and this states founding fathers.

Todays fianna fail is no relation to the party of Dev or Lemass.

Shame! Shame on you Cowen and your gob****e friends around the cabinent table. You are a fat lazy incompetent drunk who's policies as minister for finance have directly lead to the situation we are now in and your too much of a pussy to fess up!!

Look at the so called "republican party" vote down the people of Dublin SW and Waterford democratic right to elect a representative today in the Dail, and for what? just so you can hold on to power for another few weeks!!

Scum! Traiterous Scum!

The Master · 04-11-2010 10:01pm

wyndhurst wrote: »

Chicken s..t idiots like you.......

Banned

easyeason3 · 04-11-2010 10:04pm

Charlie. wrote: »

One of the first things I saw watching video footage of the riot was a guy wearning a top with the slogan 'F**K Police Brutality'

That 'riot' had nothing to do with the government budget or education as far as I'm concerned, only a platform for scumbags to act the twat.

I agree.
I think a lot of future protests will attract a crowd of idiots whose sole intent is to cause as much damage as possible. Which is sad because people need to be listened to & those protesting won't get much hop if it turns into a street brawl.

Klingon Hamlet · 04-11-2010 10:11pm

The gardai are there simply to keep order. I hate what the government has done to our nation but we can't simply take out our frustrations on innocent employees of the state. They're just doing their jobs, like the rest of us.

If all that anger was directed towards something more productive---like perhaps a huge online/TV/radio petition for a general election, things would happen.

But no, we're Irish. So we bitch, moan, argue amongst ourselves, swing fists at gardai, and generally feel hard-done-by.

So it goes.

BickNarry · 04-11-2010 10:13pm

wyndhurst wrote: »

Chicken s..t idiots like you hiding behind scarf and hoody won't help the situation one bit. I hope some big thick mucker Guard gives you a good hiding. :mad:
Our 'law enforcement' are public servants & pay taxes too....I am sure they are not overjoyed by the state of the nation either.

Boo feckin hoo.

Typical middle class attitude. ''violence doesn't solve anything''. It solves some things. And the gov. will only listen to economics. So when police riot gear has to be replaced, the streets have to be cleaned up and a few shops (hopefully only McDonalds etc.) get smashed up, they''ll think "We're paying for people to hate us''. Direct action always works on people who only think economically.

skelliser · 04-11-2010 10:18pm

Im sorry but have people forgotten we are irish! we have a long history of violence!

The "violence doesnt solve anything" brigade should read up on a bit of history, especialy a certain easter week in 1916!

PeakOutput · 04-11-2010 10:20pm

the violence yesterday had nothing to do with the protest or the students

it had to do with scumbag troublemakers using any excuse to cause trouble

if we continue to allows the swp and their like hijack protests like this then yes it is only the begining

the violence yesterday took all media coverage away from the actual issue which suits the goverment fine

anyone who is actually planning violence as a form of protest is a ****ing retard

PeakOutput · 04-11-2010 10:21pm

BickNarry wrote: »

Boo feckin hoo.

Typical middle class attitude. ''violence doesn't solve anything''. It solves some things. And the gov. will only listen to economics. So when police riot gear has to be replaced, the streets have to be cleaned up and a few shops (hopefully only McDonalds etc.) get smashed up, they''ll think "We're paying for people to hate us''. Direct action always works on people you only think economically.

what utter crap

Killer Pigeon · 04-11-2010 10:26pm

Yes, as more pressure is put on the ruling class, they get scared and beat the people back into submission. This cannot be allowed to happen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chqi8m4CEEY

BickNarry · 05-11-2010 1:37am

PeakOutput wrote: »

what utter crap

How articulate of you.

mikom · 05-11-2010 1:48am

fedor.2. wrote: »

The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral, begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy. Instead of diminishing evil, it multiplies it.

Martin Luther king, Jr.

You gotta fight for your right to party
Horovitz, Adam; Rubin, Rick; Yauch, Adam;

hotfeet · 05-11-2010 1:56am

Congratulations and well done to USIT on the protest, pity the media chose to deliberately ignore the central tenet and concentrate on the violence of a few,,,,,, but wait,,, the few who staged a sit in were violently remopved by pumped up gaurds, so who initiated the violence ?
We have been living in a police state for a number of years now, but because of the likes of the Provos, J Gilligan and their ilk we were duped into allowing the state to moe or less do what they like with our civil liberties and freedoms, its a grave misconception to even remotely believe that big brother is not watching you. I worked for the Justice Dept', I know what they are up to.

iamstop · 05-11-2010 2:05am

None of the bitching and moaning has done anything to help the irish people or the economy or jobs or anything so a new approach is needed imo.

Action > Words

fonecrusher1 · 05-11-2010 2:10am

Just wait till after the budget. Then you will see riots.

markesmith · 05-11-2010 2:12am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkADj0TPrJA

PanchoVilla · 05-11-2010 2:20am

ddef · 05-11-2010 2:22am

whatdoicare wrote: »

I hear that the Gardai have been in riot training since last March in preparation for this eventuality.

This was one of the problems of the march the other day.
I am not an authority basher, but in my opinion wednesday turned nasty because of the way the garda reacted.
as with any protest there was plenty of shouting, but all in all it was peaceful with no physical violence of yet. then out of nowhere riot police showed up along with horseback riders and started shoving people back. There was no need for this level of intense, agressive reaction for the gardai, and all this was going to do was piss people off and they will react back agressively. I did see too a few cases of flying batons where there was no need too.
anyways, back to the point of the thread, from my own personal stance I will most definately protest again if these fees arn't lowered. I know a lot of people are saying why should we be an exeption, well at least finally some group of irish citizens are reacting appropriately to the shambles this government has led us in to.

StupidLikeAFox · 05-11-2010 2:31am

PanchoVilla wrote:

"When the Industrial Revolution of the nineteenth century brought a rapid increase in wealth, the demand of workers for a fair share of the wealth they were creating was conceded only after riots and strikes."

-John Boyd Orr

“If our colleges and universities do not breed men who riot, who rebel, who attack life with all the youthful vim and vigor, then there is something wrong with our colleges. The more riots that come on college campuses, the better world for tomorrow.”

-William Allen White

"Game on now, Ger"

- Cyril Farrell

hotfeet wrote:

Congratulations and well done to USIT on the protest

Some job for a travel agents alright

Lukker- · 05-11-2010 2:40am

The only reason trouble hasn't spilled onto the street yet is because a lot people still are living off their accumulated wealth from the boom years. After the cuts when more people start to struggle to cover even their most basic needs then it will get ugly for better or for worse.

flanum · 05-11-2010 2:42am

whatdoicare wrote: »

I hear that the Gardai have been in riot training since last March in preparation for this eventuality.
.

where?? where exactly did you hear this nugget?

Tomlowe · 05-11-2010 2:45am

Trinity student newspaper's protest edition </plug>

PanchoVilla · 05-11-2010 2:47am

flanum wrote: »

where?? where exactly did you hear this nugget?

Gardai train in secret for riots

Less than 24 hours after the mini-riot outside the Dail, plumes of smoke from petrol bombs could be seen above north Dublin as the Garda's Public Order Unit underwent specialist training.

The training camp was held in secrecy at the derelict 208-acre Belcamp College site, situated off the Malahide Road in Dublin.

All gates to the complex were locked and seven garda vans were used to shield some 40 officers from public gaze as they underwent a series of intensive drills throughout the day.

The training included running a gauntlet of petrol bombs while in full riot gear, as well as baton charges and defensive manoeuvres.

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/gardai-train-in-secret-for-riots-2182078.html

It's the first thing that came up when I googled "Gardaí receive riot training". :rolleyes:

hotfeet · 05-11-2010 2:53am

ColHol wrote: »

"Game on now, Ger"

- Cyril Farrell

Some job for a travel agents alright

Lol, slip of the tongue is no fault of the mind, ask biffo, lol

flanum · 05-11-2010 2:54am

PanchoVilla wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/gardai-train-in-secret-for-riots-2182078.html

It's the first thing that came up when I googled "Gardaí receive riot training". :rolleyes:

meh... entire thread should be in the dublin section if ye ask me!

goose2005 · 05-11-2010 3:01am

ddef wrote: »

This was one of the problems of the march the other day.
I am not an authority basher, but in my opinion wednesday turned nasty because of the way the garda reacted.
as with any protest there was plenty of shouting, but all in all it was peaceful with no physical violence of yet. then out of nowhere riot police showed up along with horseback riders and started shoving people back. There was no need for this level of intense, agressive reaction for the gardai, and all this was going to do was piss people off and they will react back agressively. I did see too a few cases of flying batons where there was no need too.
anyways, back to the point of the thread, from my own personal stance I will most definately protest again if these fees arn't lowered. I know a lot of people are saying why should we be an exeption, well at least finally some group of irish citizens are reacting appropriately to the shambles this government has led us in to.

This was a training session for the gardai for the more serious protests to come later.

PanchoVilla · 05-11-2010 3:06am

flanum wrote: »

meh... entire thread should be in the dublin section if ye ask me!

Why's that? This affects everyone in the country, even if the events take place in Dublin. I live in Leitrim and I'm going to the march in Dublin on Dec. 7th and it's good to know to come prepared. I'm gonna wrap my left arm in bubble wrap.

Seaneh · 05-11-2010 3:07am

Anyone who thinks it's not going to get worse is an idiot.
The protests yesterday were extremely tame and will be nothing compared to the planned protest on budget day.

The budget day protests will be much bigger and won't just be young adults. It will be fully grown men and women who are angry about the fact that they can no longer provide for their families because of measures enforced on them by a government more worried about saving their own fortunes and the fortunes of their peers than they are about saving the country.

It's going to get ugly.
Not saying violence is a good thing, but it's a reality.

JJayoo · 05-11-2010 3:23am

How come no one cared about all the scummy antics of the politicians before 2008? and what does a riot actually do? cost more money to the state, which we all have to pay back in taxes.

Do you think the boys in power could give a toss about a riot lol. The politicians should be directly targeted for such protests/riots. They should be trapped in the middle of it.

flanum · 05-11-2010 3:32am

PanchoVilla wrote: »

Why's that? This affects everyone in the country, even if the events take place in Dublin. I live in Leitrim and I'm going to the march in Dublin on Dec. 7th and it's good to know to come prepared. I'm gonna wrap my left arm in bubble wrap.

didnt affect me.. i live in cavan.. im not a student..

Zebra3 · 05-11-2010 4:22am

The police are there to protect the rich from the poor.

CavanGal · 05-11-2010 5:08am

Have to agree with JJayoo

Riots only cost the taxpayer money. Who pays for the riot police to turn up? Who pays for the streets to be cleaned after a riot? Who pays for protestors and Guards to be treated in the hospitals? Who pays for the damage done to the businesses that are vandalised during riots?

Meanwhile, Cowen and his lot continue receiving some of the biggest salaries in the world and say tut tut, silly protestors before hopping on the government jet to go to their holiday home in Southern France for their monthly getaway.

Riots wont change a thing.

AskMyChocolate · 05-11-2010 6:34am

amacachi wrote: »

I've heard some firms these days will let women work for them even after they've married.

Oh, fcuk off. You know exactly what he meant you thanks-whoring child. And I'm a feminist.:)

AudreyHepburn · 05-11-2010 9:49am

Unfortunatly I think that this may well be just the tip of the iceberg and that worries me because violence doesn't solve anything. Look at one of the thousands of wars throughout history.

I understand people are frustrated and angry but we need to pull together not tear eachother apart.

I don't believe the government can be solely held responsible for the recession. What about the bankers, the developers and just about every Irish citizen who spent well beyond their means during the boom?y.

Theres no point in pretending we don't all have a part to pla

I hope we don't end with our version of the Troubles down here but if things keep going as they are I really worry it'll happen and it'll be a dark day when it does.

Student Demonstrations/violence only the beginning?

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