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Japan may pick robots over immigrants

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    theboxer wrote: »
    Why?

    We could learn a lot from the Japanese.
    .

    Absolutely. Just not on treating other peoples.
    theboxer wrote: »
    Its a pity that (....) subject.

    Yeah, yeah.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,139 ✭✭✭Orange69


    Wanting an ethnically homogeneous society is racist and disgraceful??
    How utterly brain dead and moronic are the libtards posting in this thread, it really is astounding! Are you guys not embarrassed to hear yourselves?

    Multiculturalism (particularly the middle eastern/african kind) is a ticking time bomb is most all European nations. It obvious to anyone with even a low level of objective mental function.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,595 ✭✭✭bonerm


    Am I reading him wrong or does he start his rant about Japanese people thinking all black people look alike by casually implying that all East Asian people look alike?

    He's right tho. All Asian men look like Ichiro Suzuki, or so I have read.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,064 ✭✭✭Gurgle


    theboxer wrote: »
    multi-culturalism is something to be embraced, is welcome and it is progressive
    Yes, good points.
    I agree completely.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,221 ✭✭✭Rowley Birkin QC


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  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 35,231 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    Orange69 wrote: »
    Multiculturalism (particularly the middle eastern/african kind) is a ticking time bomb is most all European nations. It obvious to anyone with even a low level of objective mental function.

    Says the pandimensionalist.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 220 ✭✭theboxer


    Gurgle wrote: »
    Yes, good points.
    I agree completely.

    Have a listen to Mark Steyn tear apart multiculturalism.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,707 ✭✭✭MikeC101


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  • Registered Users Posts: 211 ✭✭whatduck


    Didn't they watch Ghost in the Shell.. This won't end well!


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,572 ✭✭✭✭Dont be at yourself


    biko wrote: »
    There's a good blog here about being a black American in Japan in case anyone is interested.

    Anyway, if someone can make this whole robots thing actually work it's the Japanese. They're very far along when it comes to technology. Japan leads the world in building robots, and the bots show remarkable skill. Honda’s famous android, Asimo, has served tea, conducted the Detroit Symphony Orchestra and freaked-out James May of the BBC program Top Gear. Toyota’s robots have even played the violin and the trumpet.

    And he's great at falling down stairs too.


    Anyway, in my experience Japan is a fairly xenophobic - even racist - country. It's an attitude that exists at all levels of society, though it's obviously stronger in the older, more rural Japanese person.

    It's not malicious or hateful though, it's mostly born out of ignorance. Japan was sealed off from the world for a long time, and opened itself up less than 200 years ago. The only contact they had with Western civilisation was trading on a couple of islands with Dutch merchants, until the yanks showed up with gunboats in Tokyo Bay in the mid 1800s. And even since then, its location and culture has resulted in very few Westerners settling there.

    On top of that, the culture clash is so huge that it's quite understandable that the Japanese are wary of Westerners. There's a huge importance placed on respect, decorum and formality in Japan, so when a load of oi-oi-brits-abroad rock up in Tokyo to go on the tear, it creates a poor image of foreigners in Japan. Obviously not all foreigners are like that - but the few that are stand out a mile from normal Japanese society, where loutish behaviour, petty crime and so on is very rare.

    It's changing though, and changing quickly. In many ways, it's no different to Ireland a few decades ago. Black and Asian communities were non-existent and met with ignorance when they did arrive, but we quickly adapted and now we don't bat an eyelid.


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  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 35,231 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    theboxer wrote: »
    Have a listen to Mark Steyn tear apart multiculturalism.


    He's been a bit crap since BrassEye.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 220 ✭✭theboxer


    He's been a bit crap since BrassEye.

    He is on top form in that clip.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    He's been a bit crap since BrassEye.

    If he lived here, I'd hide life-size cardboard cut outs of muslims amongst his shrubbery. Not out of cruelty now, just exposure therapy.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    theboxer wrote: »
    He is on top form in that clip.

    Yeah, he even manages not to give tacit support to ethnic cleansing, the way he did in his nasty little book.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,064 ✭✭✭Gurgle


    theboxer wrote: »
    Have a listen to Mark Steyn tear apart multiculturalism.
    No, thanks.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 220 ✭✭theboxer


    Nodin wrote: »
    Yeah, he even manages not to give tacit support to ethnic cleansing, the way he did in his nasty little book.

    No, no he did not.


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 17,133 Mod ✭✭✭✭cherryghost


    Being in Japan i learned that me and my mates were constantly being called 'western devils', 'american dirt' and 'sinful race'

    that is all. robots ftw. Code Geass taught me that the English will rise though.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,064 ✭✭✭Gurgle


    Being in Japan i learned that me and my mates were constantly being called 'western devils', 'american dirt' and 'sinful race'
    Just out of interest:
    How did you learn this?
    Were you falling around drunk at the time?


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,002 ✭✭✭Wossack


    ...thats it AWESOM-O, get it up there good and deep

    LAME


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,661 ✭✭✭General Zod


    theboxer wrote: »
    No, no he did not.
    is stormfront down?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,661 ✭✭✭General Zod


    Gurgle wrote: »
    Just out of interest:
    How did you learn this?
    Were you falling around drunk at the time?


    GLORIOUS NIPPON shall not be besmirched!


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 17,133 Mod ✭✭✭✭cherryghost


    Gurgle wrote: »
    Just out of interest:
    How did you learn this?
    Were you falling around drunk at the time?

    I got the receptionist at my hostel to translate what they were saying, and double checked myself when I got back to Ireland


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,747 ✭✭✭✭wes


    theboxer wrote: »
    Have a listen to Mark Steyn tear apart multiculturalism.

    Here is a review of his book from journalist Johann Hari, where he tears apart all the absurd made up nonsense he spouts:
    'America Alone: The End of the World as We Know It' by Mark Steyn

    --SNIP--
    Steyn's story is - very loosely - based on demographics. His argument is simple. Europe's "white" population (a label he initially shies away from, but later embraces) is having fewer and fewer children. So to keep their social democratic economies spinning, these Europeans are importing Muslim immigrants - who are breeding rapidly. Although he offers no statistics on the European Muslim birthrate, he warns ominously that the most popular baby's name in Rotterdam is now Mohammed. This generation of young Muslims will represent "a literal baby boom". He asks sceptically, "Can the developed world get more Muslim in its demographic character without becoming more Muslim in its political character?" No. Because the "European races too self-absorbed to breed," they are unwittingly catalysing the "the recolonization of Europe by Islam."
    --SNIP--

    --SNIP--
    But this cannot hide the gaping holes of logic and fact in his argument. To fulfil his headline predictions, Steyn needs to turn 20 million European Muslims into more than 200 million European Muslims - in just 13 years. Only Fallacci's rats could reproduce so rapidly. Steyn even admits that the history of demographic predictions is hysterically inept, noting that "most twenty-year projections... are laughably speculative, and thus most doomsday scenarios are too" - before offering his own.
    --SNIP--

    --SNIP--
    When the figures fail him, Steyn falls back on urban mythology. After the 9/11 massacres, in his Daily Telegraph column he repeated as fact preposterous claims that Muslim children all over New York had warned their favourite teachers not to go to the World Trade Centre that day. Here, he says, "On the night of September 11th Muslim youths in northern England rampaged through the streets cheering Islam's glorious victory over the Great Satan. They pounded on the hoods of the cars, hammered the doors and demanded the drivers join them in the chants of 'Osama Bin Laden is a great man.'" There is no record of these events on Lexis-Nexis; Steyn has not replied to a request for the source. He says variously that "the old flag" of St George is now "unflyable" in England, and - with shades of Enoch Powell's untraceable "grinning picanninies" - claims he knows "an English lady" who wears a headscarf every time she steps outside to stop Muslims harrassing her. As somebody who lives in a Muslim area, everybody I know who lives here finds this preposterous. But this is Steyn's way with evidence: the extremely atypical is presented as universal, and the urban myth is presented as damning fact.
    --SNIP--

    Above emphasis is mine.

    The above is some highlights of the stuff that Steyn made up in his book. The entire review is worth a look, as it shows Steyn's arguements to have no weight in reality, and that he basically make stuff up.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,064 ✭✭✭Gurgle


    GLORIOUS NIPPON shall not be besmirched!
    You can besmirch whoever and however you like, but please do so accurately.
    Japan has a reputation which is at least 20 years out of date. The country is not massively high tech, the people are not unusually racist, there are lots of areas around Tokyo where you will see plenty of foreigners.

    If you want something to slag them off about, the hotel porn is brutal, they are worse than an Irish stag night when drinking on the company account, and as good as their precision manufacturing is they are terrible at software.
    They're raised to be socially obedient to such an extent that they won't cross an empty road until the green man comes on.

    Above all, if you're invited to go to Karaoke, just say no.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 220 ✭✭theboxer


    Gurgle wrote: »
    Japan is not massively high tech

    Are you for real?:pac:


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 17,133 Mod ✭✭✭✭cherryghost


    Gurgle wrote: »
    The country is not massively high tech

    I beg to differ
    Gurgle wrote: »
    Above all, if you're invited to go to Karaoke, just say no.

    I beg to differ :pac:


    Love hotels are awesome though.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,584 ✭✭✭digme


    Gurgle wrote: »
    Just out of interest:
    How did you learn this?
    Were you falling around drunk at the time?
    Are you disputing that it happens?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,064 ✭✭✭Gurgle


    digme wrote: »
    Are you disputing that it happens?
    That the japanese have some unsavoury words for foreigners, and will use them when confronted by foreigners misbehaving in public?
    No dispute, thats pretty plausible.

    That one could repeat japanese words heard on the street to a third party accurately enough for translation?

    Yes, I'd go waaaaay out on a limb and dispute that.
    theboxer wrote:
    Are you for real?
    I beg to differ
    You guys planning to comment on the technology?


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,572 ✭✭✭✭Dont be at yourself


    digme wrote: »
    Are you disputing that it happens?

    I've lived in Japan for years, and never been called - or head anybody being called - a Western devil or American dirt. If the Japanese are racist, it's not in an overt or spiteful way. The most harmful insult you'll get is baka gaijin, "stupid foreigner".

    Racism and xenophobia tends to manifest itself in other ways: no foreigners allowed in the public baths, being stopped and questioned by police, or being followed in the supermarket by old women or young kids. Even from the ultra-national right wing whackos, you never get nasty comments to the extent described. Maybe around the US bases in Okinawa, but that's not really Japan, eh?


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  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 17,133 Mod ✭✭✭✭cherryghost


    Incidentally, I should have mentioned that all 'insults' were directed from the older Japanese demograph. Sorry about that. The younger generation was quite the opposite in fact. I chat to a few, and they seem mesmorised by foreign folk


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