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Phoenix Park tunnel: 4 trains per hour from 2016

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haulier

As far as I am aware, the connection from the UP MAIN, SOUTH END, into the new Platform [1] @ GCD will not be laid in this phase.

Connections from the PSE end into both PI @ GCD & BOSTON SDGS will be commissioned, but will not be available for use until further notice.

The DOWN RUNNING LOOP will also be reconnected & brought back into use

LXFlyer

Sam Russell wrote: »

They have not yet connected the northern bound Dart connection to the third platform (not sure if it platform 1 or 3) - the overheads have been done as far as I can see.

There is going to be significant work this weekend - but all of this takes time.

The only time that they can test new signalling is when they have an extended possession.

As I said above I think there will be two more phases to the current work.

Sam Russell

They have not yet connected the northern bound Dart connection to the third platform (not sure if it platform 1 or 3) - the overheads have been done as far as I can see.

LXFlyer

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

GCD due to be commissioned this weekend AFAIK

Not yet - I think that there's at least one or two phases more!

Jamie2k9

lxflyer wrote: »

As I understand it the drivers have indeed been route training between Islandbridge Junction and Connolly.

The remaining section to Grand Canal Dock will take place when the re-signalling and associated track work is completed during the summer.

GCD due to be commissioned this weekend AFAIK

LXFlyer

As I understand it the drivers have indeed been route training between Islandbridge Junction and Connolly.

The remaining section to Grand Canal Dock will take place when the re-signalling and associated track work is completed during the summer.

GM228

spacetweek wrote: »

Bit simplistic - They're trained to do a particular route and when you add a new section of track it's different working conditions that requires new training.

Grandeeod wrote: »

Lets see what the unions have to say about it. Im not being simplistic at all. Realistic.

I think someone mentioned that drivers are already on route knowledge for this (in either this or the DART thread) so I'd imagine there are no issues with it's introduction.

BoatMad

spacetweek wrote: »

Bit simplistic - They're trained to do a particular route and when you add a new section of track it's different working conditions that requires new training.

Route training is a typical part of a drivers job. Hence they get training on a new route , that is not " new" training , there is no additional task

Grandeeod

spacetweek wrote: »

Bit simplistic - They're trained to do a particular route and when you add a new section of track it's different working conditions that requires new training.

Lets see what the unions have to say about it. Im not being simplistic at all. Realistic.

spacetweek

Grandeeod wrote: »

You are not being thick. It depends on the progress of the signalling/engineering works and then on the "unions" in relation to drivers doing a job that they are paid to do.

Bit simplistic - They're trained to do a particular route and when you add a new section of track it's different working conditions that requires new training.

Grandeeod

IrishZeus wrote: »

Has there been any recent update on when the tunnel might start operating? Ive had a look around but cant seem to find anything current.

(Apologies if I'm being thick!)

You are not being thick. It depends on the progress of the signalling/engineering works and then on the "unions" in relation to drivers doing a job that they are paid to do.

Jamie2k9

IrishZeus wrote: »

Has there been any recent update on when the tunnel might start operating? Ive had a look around but cant seem to find anything current.

(Apologies if I'm being thick!)

October/November at earliest, there will be a new timetable for Heuston services before anything happens.

IrishZeus

Has there been any recent update on when the tunnel might start operating? Ive had a look around but cant seem to find anything current.

(Apologies if I'm being thick!)

n97 mini

lxflyer wrote: »

Well something has to still serve Chapelizod at a relatively high frequency. They do that using the 26, 66/a/b and 67.

At peak times there are the 66x and 67x so people can avoid Chapelizod.

Off-peak the time difference is minimal - 5 minutes at most by going via Chapelizod.

When DB were talking about either the 25a/b or 66/67 bypassing Chapelizod it baffled everyone out here that they selected the shorter routes.

66x and 67x are only peak time as you say, and cost more.

LXFlyer

n97 mini wrote: »

Must be good political representation in Lucan. 67/66 are tortuous as they still call to areas that the 25a/b used to but have since bypassed. And now they're bypassing even more!

Well something has to still serve Chapelizod at a relatively high frequency. They do that using the 26, 66/a/b and 67.

At peak times there are the 66x and 67x so people can avoid Chapelizod.

Off-peak the time difference is minimal - 5 minutes at most by going via Chapelizod.

n97 mini

lxflyer wrote: »

There is a new route (inbound only) that avoids going around Foxborough - 25d - and takes the Newcastle Rd from Adamstown - it's on the 25b timetable that may be of use.

Must be good political representation in Lucan. 67/66 are tortuous as they still call to areas that the 25a/b used to but have since bypassed. And now they're bypassing even more!

tabbey

Col_30 wrote: »

Does anyone know what the possible journey time between Adamstown and Tara St. station would be through the PTT? Also, if anyone has an idea of what time the trains will run at. I'm wondering when IE will publish proposed timetables for the route.

Whatever about scheduled times, there will have to be some provision for signal checks at Glasnevin Junction, North Strand Junction, and the other usual suspects.

Hopefully these will be eased by the more logical reversing procedure at GCD, when work there is completed.

Jamie2k9

Col_30 wrote: »

Does anyone know what the possible journey time between Adamstown and Tara St. station would be through the PTT? Also, if anyone has an idea of what time the trains will run at. I'm wondering when IE will publish proposed timetables for the route.

I expect a minimum of 40 minutes, current services to Heuston are 20 minutes and while some padding. You are still looking at 15 to Tunnel entrance, 15 to Connolly and probably around 10 to GCD. You will then have time build prehaps at least 5 minutes. Speed through the tunnel will be a big factor in timing.

LXFlyer

Banjoxed wrote: »

I spent years being stuck on buses at various pinch points between Celbridge, Leixlip and Dublin. That and late buses trundling at thirty miles an hour between Lucan and Celbridge. Dublin Bus on the west side of the City became transport of last resort for me.

Well I spent 3.5 years commuting on the N4 too - mercifully most of it after the Network Direct changes and the increased priority for buses through Chapelizod - it has improved dramatically.

Banjoxed

lxflyer wrote: »

There is a new route (inbound only) that avoids going around Foxborough - 25d - and takes the Newcastle Rd from Adamstown - it's on the 25b timetable that may be of use.

Just trying to help. Plenty of people have no choice but to use the bus into Dublin.

I spent years being stuck on buses at various pinch points between Celbridge, Leixlip and Dublin. That and late buses trundling at thirty miles an hour between Lucan and Celbridge. Dublin Bus on the west side of the City became transport of last resort for me.

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Col_30 wrote: »

Does anyone know what the possible journey time between Adamstown and Tara St. station would be through the PTT? Also, if anyone has an idea of what time the trains will run at. I'm wondering when IE will publish proposed timetables for the route.

I sent an email to irishrail and the reply was sometime late October, I posted it back a few pages.

LXFlyer

Col_30 wrote: »

Thanks for your help, I appreciate it. I haven't tried the 25D. I've never actually seen one. It seems to be a really limited service. I have an annual leap for the train, so I'll be sticking with it I think. I'm pinning all my hopes on the new route through PTT. I really hope the journey times are not ridiculous. I'm happy enough with my current arrangement and I think they are retaining the current trains, so if PTT doesn't work out, I'll revert back to the 8:12 from Adamstown.

To go back to your original question, I would imagine that you're looking at a journey time from Adamstown to Tara St of about 30 minutes.

Col_30

lxflyer wrote: »

There is a new route (inbound only) that avoids going around Foxborough - 25d - and takes the Newcastle Rd from Adamstown - it's on the 25b timetable that may be of use.

Just trying to help. Plenty of people have no choice but to use the bus into Dublin.

Thanks for your help, I appreciate it. I haven't tried the 25D. I've never actually seen one. It seems to be a really limited service. I have an annual leap for the train, so I'll be sticking with it I think. I'm pinning all my hopes on the new route through PTT. I really hope the journey times are not ridiculous. I'm happy enough with my current arrangement and I think they are retaining the current trains, so if PTT doesn't work out, I'll revert back to the 8:12 from Adamstown.

LXFlyer

Col_30 wrote: »

I'm near the 25x, 25a/b. But I gave up using them. As people have been going back to work in the last few years they have gotten too busy. With the train/luas option, I can get the train at 8:12 (when it's on time) and be in work well before 9. I would have to get a bus at 7:30 to be in for 9. It's too early for me and who wants to sit on a Dublin bus for over an hour? I hate buses as a rule.

There is a new route (inbound only) that avoids going around Foxborough - 25d - and takes the Newcastle Rd from Adamstown - it's on the 25b timetable that may be of use.

Just trying to help. Plenty of people have no choice but to use the bus into Dublin.

Col_30

lxflyer wrote: »

Is the 25b not any use?

I'm near the 25x, 25a/b. But I gave up using them. As people have been going back to work in the last few years they have gotten too busy. With the train/luas option, I can get the train at 8:12 (when it's on time) and be in work well before 9. I would have to get a bus at 7:30 to be in for 9. It's too early for me and who wants to sit on a Dublin bus for over an hour? I hate buses as a rule.

LXFlyer

Col_30 wrote: »

Thanks. I'll be at the mercy of the Luas drivers until next year so :rolleyes:

Is the 25b not any use?

Col_30

Banjoxed wrote: »

We'll probably only hear just before the service is launched. This of course will be subject to the usual agreements with the unions. Is it still likely to be September, or before Christmas?

Thanks. I'll be at the mercy of the Luas drivers until next year so :rolleyes:

Banjoxed

Col_30 wrote: »

Does anyone know what the possible journey time between Adamstown and Tara St. station would be through the PTT? Also, if anyone has an idea of what time the trains will run at. I'm wondering when IE will publish proposed timetables for the route.

We'll probably only hear just before the service is launched. This of course will be subject to the usual agreements with the unions. Is it still likely to be September, or before Christmas?

Col_30

Does anyone know what the possible journey time between Adamstown and Tara St. station would be through the PTT? Also, if anyone has an idea of what time the trains will run at. I'm wondering when IE will publish proposed timetables for the route.

LXFlyer

tba wrote: »

What about a stop (bachelors Factory),that facilitates direct access to the Green Line, as well as a switch between, the Maynooth and Sallins line, that does not need to go all the way into the city. Get people to switch further out and reduce traffic a bit?

The Cross city line is currently only linked at Boombridge and Abbey Street.

ALso, I though that Glasnevin already had a scissor junction? https://www.google.ie/maps/@53.3658411,-6.2755054,35m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en

At the risk of repeating myself the only reason this project got a green light is because it is LOW cost. Adding multiple stations will make the journey too long and the works too expensive.

Glasnevin Junction is not a scissors junction - it only allows trains from the Sligo line take one or other route. Trains from Heuston must go via Drumcondra, which is where people wishing to go to Maynooth line stations can change.