Raging_Ninja wrote: » You're grasping at straws here. What other word would you use to describe being sent to hospital? Hospitalized means you were sent to hospital. Doesn't imply anything about the serious of the condition.
PARlance wrote: » A bit of misinformation there. The Shell to Sea movement didn't campaign for a reconfiguration, they want/ed it processed out at Sea. The clue is in the name. A break away group was formed when the majority of local Shell to Sea'ers released they wouldn't win that battle and instead turned their attention to a rerouting of the pipeline. There's a good Irish documentary called "The Pipe" based on the whole saga. It's biased towards the protesters which is probably the "unbiased" angle you're looking for.
PARlance wrote: » There's a good Irish documentary called "The Pipe" based on the whole saga. It's biased towards the protesters which is probably the "unbiased" angle you're looking for.
euser1984 wrote: » for example: At some of the shell to sea campaign reportings, the articles in at least one mainstream "broadsheet" type newspaper stated; that violence has broken out between protesters and gardai. What the publisher seems to have failed to mention, is that the police started the violence when they charged the protesters with batons, so they could clear the way for shell workers/contractors to get into work.
osarusan wrote: » To be honest OP, it looks like for you, a source that portrays the protestors in a positive light will be independent and unbiased, and a source that doesn't, won't.
euser1984 wrote: » ok then. The pipe actually was showed in lots of countries and very successfully and was first shown years ago. rte has never showed it and it took tv3 four years to show it. they only showed it once too afaik. (despite it being huge in other countries)
HensVassal wrote: » Are you talking about international events and news or just Ireland?
PARlance wrote: » TG4 aired it shortly after it was made afaik. State broadcaster.
The_Kew_Tour wrote: » Vice news is excellent for showing videos of both sides of argument too. Not really news channel more short reports but very good
euser1984 wrote: » I don't live anywhere near the protestors not do I have any particular interest in them....I was just using them as an example. what I started the thread for was to find out if there is a source where I can find out both sides of any story via factual data and make my own mind up. if the author wants to add their own opinion I would prefer it to be clearly stated and not hiding. thinking of no comment on euronews for example....
mynamejeff wrote: » might be you just picked a bad example. but your view of the shell to sea saga is ironically very biased. The only side who run a media job is the shell to sea side. The gardai almost never push a strong view on incidents. I do know some of the protester groups fairly well and i can tell you from first hand experience there are some very very bad eggs who are only involved for self promotion and because it allows them to be involved in violence and intimidation, trying to provoke reaction from workmen or gardai . Its always out with the video camera then. thats why after many many years of protesting and policing and hundreds of complaints to gsoc there has never been a garda in trouble. or is gsoc corrupt in favor of the garda s most of the shell to sea group claim
Autonomous Cowherd wrote: » OP, I think we have to read around a good bit. It is definitely an issue...the one you raise. It IS very difficult to know the truth about anything. Personally I find the banal double-speak on Irish news stations to be painful and annoying. It's as if we live in gaga land and are being spoon fed daily opiates by (mainly) chicks who have been picked to push the propaganda at us because their voices have that certain soothing airwave twang. But anyways. Read the maintsream stuff, like the Guardian, BBC, whatever, but afterwards check out people like John Pilger, Abby Martin, Robert Fisk, (to mention very few), look at blogs, Vice has been mentioned and they have good documentaries, read AlJazeera, RT, etc., and also read the so-called whacky stuff too like SOTT, Vineyard of the Saker and Zero Hedge, etc. etc. Just read lots, know that everyone has an agenda, including the employers of the classy soft-spoken Irish Mammies doling out our daily dose of this-is-real-life-folks. And maybe some of us should get it together to become citizen journalists ourselves and begin making records and reports on the actual stories on the ground. The equipment is no longer prohibitively expensive and the internet is our publisher
euser1984 wrote: » Can I ask for your opinion on the hospitalized thing I mentioned earlier on in the thread? If you haven't read or can't read back i'll get it for you.... it seems to be doublespeak certainly but is it something else too?
ohnonotgmail wrote: » It is not a question of opinion. Either the juror was hospitalised or they werent. As for why they hospitalised that is the private information of the juror and the press have no reason to report it.
euser1984 wrote: » I'm asking what their opinion is on the reason rte would say something like that at the end of a report, and perhaps an insight into the workings behind it. Of course I agree that they have no reason to report it and i've identified that this is one of the problems with the mainstream media (at least in ireland).
euser1984 wrote: » Ireland specifically yes....i think europe is already covered somewhat but I want to learn more about euronews to see if they are pro eu because i never thought about these things until the conference. i think al jazeera might be one too. if i'm right the guardian is half decent too but i'm also looking into that. I read the news on radio and prepare it myself...I know that I have the option to tell people what to think or to tell them the facts....the problem I have is it seems very difficult in this country to get the facts! especially when politics is all about pr too.
ohnonotgmail wrote: » they said it because it was germane. it held up jury deliberations. you seem to be reaching for some ulterior motive that just isnt there.
euser1984 wrote: » I was at a panel in a conference at the weekend when we were shown many examples. it's also known that generally speaking most opinions come from middle aged non working class type people, and also men. gender inequality is even at play here. another example is nobody is interested in what the syrian refugees have to say. I saw videos at the weekend of them talking. some people went and made a microphone and camera out of rubbish product waste and went around interviewing asylum seekers.....it made them feel like at least they got the need to have a voice out. no mainstream media cares apart from the likes of euronews etc. i think they give facts.... Louis theroux is always giving people a voice that we would never hear of otherwise.....
euser1984 wrote: » No i'm not. It just gives the impression that the person was hospitalized due to the stress involved in the case. It might not be anything to do with case at all though but it does imply that it does. .
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