Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2016

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mansize wrote: »

Or he constantly churns out high finishes while others burn brightly for a whole but then fade around him???

United: 2nd, 1st, 1st, 1st, 2nd, 1st, 2nd, 1st, 7th, 4th, 5th.

Chelsea: 1st, 2nd, 2nd, 3rd, 1st, 2nd, 6th, 3rd, 3rd, 1st, 10th.

Arsenal: 4th, 4th, 3rd, 4th, 3rd, 4th, 3rd, 4th, 4th, 3rd, 2nd.

We're certainly the most consistent of the past 10 years but with 0 league titles I don't see the appeal. United with 5 Chelsea with 3 City with 2 and now even Leicester with 1.

I can't think of many people who have aspirations of coming 4th or 3rd In their careers as opposed to actually being the best. Because for the past 10 years we've never been the best.

gosplan

Ken Shamrock wrote: »

United: 2nd, 1st, 1st, 1st, 2nd, 1st, 2nd, 1st, 7th, 4th, 5th.

Chelsea: 1st, 2nd, 2nd, 3rd, 1st, 2nd, 6th, 3rd, 3rd, 1st, 10th.

Arsenal: 4th, 4th, 3rd, 4th, 3rd, 4th, 3rd, 4th, 4th, 3rd, 2nd.

We're certainly the most consistent of the past 10 years but with 0 league titles I don't see the appeal. United with 5 Chelsea with 3 City with 2 and now even Leicester with 1.

I can't think of many people who have aspirations of coming 4th or 3rd In their careers as opposed to actually being the best. Because for the past 10 years we've never been the best.

You're correct. But right now those clubs have no CL and a lack of stability.

Ken Shamrock wrote: »

United: 2nd, 1st, 1st, 1st, 2nd, 1st, 2nd, 1st, 7th, 4th, 5th.

Chelsea: 1st, 2nd, 2nd, 3rd, 1st, 2nd, 6th, 3rd, 3rd, 1st, 10th.

Arsenal: 4th, 4th, 3rd, 4th, 3rd, 4th, 3rd, 4th, 4th, 3rd, 2nd.

We're certainly the most consistent of the past 10 years but with 0 league titles I don't see the appeal. United with 5 Chelsea with 3 City with 2 and now even Leicester with 1.

I can't think of many people who have aspirations of coming 4th or 3rd In their careers as opposed to actually being the best. Because for the past 10 years we've never been the best.

How many of those was the same manager???

Chelsea won 2 in the last 10 btw

tayto lover

mansize wrote: »

Wenger's currency is still strong outside the erratic moods of the British tabloid press

But not with very many of the Arsenal fans unfortunately. He's lost his mojo.

Ken Shamrock wrote: »

Mind boggling as to why, maybe he's like that really sound teacher you had In school who didn't give you homework and always talked to you about football rather than teach you so you like him loads but when It comes time to do your exams you fail miserably because you never actually learnt anything? :pac:

Funny you mention that because I just finished Romford Pele's book and the Wenger he described had great banter and rapport with players, and seemed to have a great sense of humour. He has the height of respect for him and did say he would love for Arsene to win the league one more time. It was probably more out of loyalty and hope then actual belief that he said this.

He did however mention one very very interesting thing. During his time at Arsenal there was terrific unity and everyone got along at the club regardless of nationality, background and culture. However, when he returned to train with the club a couple of years later after he finished with Middlesbrough, he noticed that the same togetherness wasn't there. An example he gave, Arsenals top midfielder (Cesc), and their captain (William Gallas) never got along and never spoke to each other. Now he did accept that its unlikely in all cases that a dressing room of players will get along but he quite rightly said that in order for the team to be successful that at the very least, there should have been effective communication. He said that Wenger would never interfere and try and resolve it but would take a passive approach and move on the lesser important of the two where necessary. I can understand not interfering, but why make a troublesome player captain? (who fell out with many of our players)

I say that Roy Keane didn't speak to a good few of the Man United players either but on the pitch they were able to put differences aside for the good of the team. The others such as Sheringham respected him at the very least even if they didn't like his personality off the pitch

http://metro.co.uk/2016/05/10/cesc-fabregas-and-william-gallas-never-spoke-ray-parlour-reveals-toxic-arsenal-dressing-room-5872566/

hullaballoo

I come in peace.

I read today that there are ructions with arsenal supporters over the next club captain add apparently Koscielny is being proposed.

Why would he be an issue? He is amongst the best CBs in football and knows his stuff so why would these be any complaints? I've seen Cech touted as a captain, which is fair but as an ex Chelsea player and captain, possibly not arsenal fans first choice. (I've also seen Jack Wilshere mentioned but that had to be a joke.)

hullaballoo wrote: »

I come in peace.

I read today that there are ructions with arsenal supporters over the next club captain add apparently Koscielny is being proposed.

Why would he be an issue? He is amongst the best CBs in football and knows his stuff so why would these be any complaints? I've seen Cech touted as a captain, which is fair but as an ex Chelsea player and captain, possibly not arsenal fans first choice. (I've also seen Jack Wilshere mentioned but that had to be a joke.)

Koscielny is one of our longer serving players so personally id have no issue. Jack - no way. He is lucky to be at the club. Cech, tbh i wouldnt have a problem with either. He is vocal at the very least and is world class

Kos strikes me as being somewhat of an introvert, he deserves it, but would he want it.

Cech not a bad shout.

tayto lover wrote: »

But not with very many of the Arsenal fans unfortunately. He's lost his mojo.

I'd say its 50/50 (if not more in his favour atm)

Ken Shamrock wrote: »

I can't think of many people who have aspirations of coming 4th or 3rd In their careers as opposed to actually being the best. Because for the past 10 years we've never been the best.

I wouldn't mind being consistently Top 4 in the top league in my career.

Right now I'm Tranmere Rovers!

hullaballoo wrote: »

I come in peace.

I read today that there are ructions with arsenal supporters over the next club captain add apparently Koscielny is being proposed.

Why would he be an issue? He is amongst the best CBs in football and knows his stuff so why would these be any complaints? I've seen Cech touted as a captain, which is fair but as an ex Chelsea player and captain, possibly not arsenal fans first choice. (I've also seen Jack Wilshere mentioned but that had to be a joke.)

Being made Arsenal captain means that you're out the door in the next year or two. Maybe some would like it to be Jack?

SkySter

The fact that there are no obvious candidates for Captain speaks volumes about the complete lack of leadership we've had on the field over the last few seasons.

Quazzie

mansize wrote: »

I'd say its 50/50 (if not more in his favour atm)

I wouldn't have though. I think the vast majority of Arsenal fans feel its time for Wenger to move on, but they also appreciate that he has a contract to fulfill and they're happy to see him complete that. I think if it came out that Wenger signed a contract extension then you'd see the truth of how many fans want him out.

L'prof

Quazzie wrote: »

I think if it came out that Wenger signed a contract extension then you'd see the truth of how many fans want him out.

If they sign a few good players and start the season well, we all know what's coming!

Drexel

Even if Wenger won the league next season Id still prefer a change next year.

Pepe LeFrits

Does anyone really expect us to be in anything other than a fight for CL football next season?

L'prof

Pepe LeFrits wrote: »

Does anyone really expect us to be in anything other than a fight for CL football next season?

Does nobody else forget all seasons past until the next lull in performances? I'm always optimistic and when they go on a good run next season and are there or there abouts, I'll let myself get excited too. They'll ultimately let me down I'm sure but from now until then I remain an optimist.

keano_afc

Pepe LeFrits wrote: »

Does anyone really expect us to be in anything other than a fight for CL football next season?

Not me. Wenger is not capable of delivering the title, regardless of how the summer goes.

JustTheOne

Barca sniffing around bellerin.

Skylinehead

JustTheOne wrote: »

Barca sniffing around bellerin.

He's only after saying he doesn't want to go back. We'll get a few more years out of him yet.

Pepe LeFrits

L'prof wrote: »

Does nobody else forget all seasons past until the next lull in performances? I'm always optimistic and when they go on a good run next season and are there or there abouts, I'll let myself get excited too. They'll ultimately let me down I'm sure but from now until then I remain an optimist.

We don't even have to wait for the next lull, we, last game aside, finished in a major lull.

Looking at the array of managers and clubs lining up against us next season, you just know that at least one of them will finish above us. It's pretty much guaranteed. Even finishing 2nd again would be a surprise.

gosplan wrote: »

You're correct. But right now those clubs have no CL and a lack of stability.

Leicester do have Champions League as they just won the premiership something we've been unable to do for a very very long time, City also have CL football and are hardly unstable? Bad years for Utd and Chelsea yes, but can you honestly not see either challenging for the title next year?

mansize wrote: »

How many of those was the same manager???

What's the relevance? You don't get a trophy for having the same manager and doing the same **** every single year for a very long time unfortunately.

mansize wrote: »

Chelsea won 2 in the last 10 btw

2 more than we won. and I quoted the last 11 years.

mansize wrote: »

I wouldn't mind being consistently Top 4 in the top league in my career.

Right now I'm Tranmere Rovers!

I wouldn't mind even just participating in the PL In my career either but It's not exactly the dream of extremely talented professional footballers to finish 4th...

Same people who cursed Cesc, Nasri, RVP etc. Want Jack cut loose. Ridiculous, you can't expect loyalty if it's not shown, luckily for arsenal we're not in charge. If we can't get behind an academy player with huge potential who has been unlucky with injuries we may as well go support whichever team is winning on a given weekend.

Baggly

Ken Shamrock wrote: »

Leicester do have Champions League as they just won the premiership something we've been unable to do for a very very long time, City also have CL football and are hardly unstable? Bad years for Utd and Chelsea yes, but can you honestly not see either challenging for the title next year?

Can't find the quote, but this time last year we all had a heated discussion about how amazing the Utd signings were, how Chelsea were bound to challenge and about how we couldnt possibly hope to stay in the top 4.

Fast forward to now, and Leicester are champions.

Of course Arsene could win the league.

AdamD wrote: »

Same people who cursed Cesc, Nasri, RVP etc. Want Jack cut loose. Ridiculous, you can't expect loyalty if it's not shown, luckily for arsenal we're not in charge. If we can't get behind an academy player with huge potential who has been unlucky with injuries we may as well go support whichever team is winning on a given weekend.

Stop man It's embarrassing, I can't think of anyone more committed to Arsenal or to football In general, always gives 100% always determined always shows heart always goes hard has balls has skill has talent, get's Injured and has a smoke and half the fan base turn on him...

Pter wrote: »

Can't find the quote, but this time last year we all had a heated discussion about how amazing the Utd signings were, how Chelsea were bound to challenge and about how we couldnt possibly hope to stay in the top 4.

Fast forward to now, and Leicester are champions.

Of course Arsene could win the league.

I don't recall saying Arsene couldn't win the league, West Brom could win the league...

AdamD wrote: »

Same people who cursed Cesc, Nasri, RVP etc. Want Jack cut loose. Ridiculous, you can't expect loyalty if it's not shown, luckily for arsenal we're not in charge. If we can't get behind an academy player with huge potential who has been unlucky with injuries we may as well go support whichever team is winning on a given weekend.

You cant reward mediocrity either. When he hasn't been injured, Jack like some of his fellow Arsenal compatriots, has flattered to deceive. I honestly dont mind the smoking. Parlour admitted they were up to far worse in his day and so did Merson and Perry Groves and they always gave 100%. I do believe Wilshere loves the club, however, he has a bit of an attitude on the field. Never stops yapping to the ref. His injuries too have become a bit of a burden on us. That said the tackle Paddy Mcnair injured him with that night against United was beyond reckless. Straight red all day long.

As for Cesc, Nasri, RVP, i personally had no problem with them moving or who they moved to tbh although I do take exception to the way they either engineered their moves and/or their comments afterwards.

Baggly

Ken Shamrock wrote: »

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I don't recall saying Arsene couldn't win the league, West Brom could win the league...

Of course - apologies - didnt mean to put word in your mouth. While i was responding to your comment, i was also responding to the thread of conversation (see Pepe and Keano's posts).